[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-21 Thread Doug H.
Thanks for all of the informative feedback. I'll probably go with the Pletscher that Riv sells, with the boot as recommended. Doug On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote: > > I haven't had a kickstand on a bicycle since...I don't remember when. My > Mongoose BMX didn't

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-18 Thread Tim Gavin
My experience directly contradicts Eric D's*. My two bikes (Riv Road, and '88 Schwinn KOM) with chainstay-mounted kickstands are eager to fall over from front wheel flop. My Riv Road has fallen over (or nearly so) several times. Even if I settle the front wheel myself before taking my hand off,

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Eric Daume
In my experience, a rear mounted kickstand is much more stable with a front load. The front wheel may flop over, but it doesn't take the bike down, whereas a front wheel flop seems to easily take down a mid mounted kick stand. Eric On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Ron Mc

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Ron Mc
Both of my bikes that won't fit a BB kickstand also have front bags. With the rear stand, they behave very well if I use a velcro strap to keep the front wheel and downtube aligned. On Wednesday, May 17,

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
I've never had success with single leg bb stands and baskets; can't say I've ever tried a rear dropout stand with a front basket; but think I can see how a heavy front load might topple a bike with a rear dropout stand. I can also see that a 2-legged stand mounted closer to the front might well be

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Ron Mc
Patrick, if you think about moment of inertia, the farther the center of mass is away from the prop point, the lower the stability. If you're standing a big rear load, a rear-mounted kickstand should be more stable. If you have loaded rando bag, the opposite is true and the mass of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
I can't answer "inherently," but practically, the answer is no, at least for the stands I've used. Does the front wheel flop? Yes, but if the stand is cut to the right length, that affects the stability far less than with a single legged bb area stand. Wheel position does affect stability more

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Not at all in my experience, in which a dropout mounted Greenfield was much more stable than either kind of bb-area mounted stand, single legged or double legged. IME, which is extensive, the dropout mount was most stable, the double legged Pletscher and VO bb mount stands next, and the single leg

[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Ron Mc
drew, BB is definitely more stable with a kickstand. With my rear stand, I can support a front bag if I use a velcro strap around the front wheel and downtube Patrick, Pletscher also makes rear kickstands http://www.thorusa.com/accessories/pletscher.htm On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 1:57:44

[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread drew
ok, im interested. questions- Is the rear drop out area an inherently more stable place for a kickstand than the bottom bracket area? Is there any risk of chain/seatstay damage with those? Does that placement encourage more front floppage? -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Does Pletscher make this sort of rear-mount single legger? A quick Google shows that they do. At any rate, copy or not, the Greenfield is cheap and available everywhere in the US, and it's only defect is that it is ugly and heavy. It works fine, or at least the several I've installed have all

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread René Sterental
As I understand it, the Greenfield is an American copy of the Pletscher. Maybe I'm wrong... I have both, and in my experience, the Pletscher is a bit "tighter" meaning there's less play between the leg and the base. René On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:52 AM Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
FWIW, back when I had a more or less dedicated grocery beater, after trying 2 or 3 different types of 2-legged stands and finding that none held the bike up securely with asymmetrically and heavily (>15 lb each) rear panniers (and even with symmetrical loads, the bike could easily be knocked

[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
Also, be aware of the obvious few facts that the more loaded your bike the more challenging it is on the stand, as well as the rougher/looser the terrain the less useful a stand. For the riding I do, I gave up stands as they were more often than not "delayed falls" rather than stands. Grin. But

[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread drew
i like the pletscher single. get the little foot too. Like Rene says, the double is not good for the kickstand plate. mine got bent with it, but i took it off before it pulled away from the chainstay. i dont really like the idea of something that can rip welded metal apart on my bike, even

[RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

2017-05-17 Thread Ron Mc
On, every bike that will take it, I have an Esge (Pletscher) stand - currently all singles. I have two bikes that the chainstay bridge was intentionally made too close to the BB to allow for a kickstand - it's to protect the light tubing from being crushed by the kickstand clamp. On both of