Dear Jim,
I've seen this problem (failure at the head wayyy inside an STI lever) more
than twice.
There are few people more sad than someone 200K into a 1200K ride and
(unexpectedly) riding a 2-speed in Bretagne at 11pm.
Actually, the only integrated shifters that I haven't seen die
Rapid Rise was destined to crash and burn from the beginning . .
. lol .
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The design, with the spring moving the derailleur to the low gear (large
cog) position seemed to produce more wear in use on the upper jockey wheel.
Return force of the spring is always against a larger cog when usually that
abutting force movement would only come from my initiation as part of
On 01/23/2015 11:16 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I have a low normal on my Long Haul Trucker paired with friction
downtube shifters. I have to admit I still do not transition well to
opposite motions after decades of high normal usage. I still enjoy the
difference though. And if the
I'm sorry but this needs to be said.
EVERY CYCLIST SHOULD CARRY AN EXTRA CABLE IN THEIR BAG.
They are cheap and they weigh almost nothing. Obviates the discussion
about broken cables. As long as your housings are good you can
replace it in minutes.
$0.02.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:17 AM,
Buy used and try it. For some they may find it to be more intuitive. Others,
particularly those with decades of high normal experience, might find it
difficult to unlearn what is by now second nature to them. If it works well,
keep it. Otherwise, sell it and move on. You are the only one who
On 01/23/2015 01:01 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
I'm sorry but this needs to be said.
EVERY CYCLIST SHOULD CARRY AN EXTRA CABLE IN THEIR BAG.
They are cheap and they weigh almost nothing. Obviates the discussion
about broken cables. As long as your housings are good you can
replace it in minutes.
On 01/23/2015 10:15 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Ah, I got it...thanks. Funny, I felt we all kinda got snookered by
Shimano into at least trying low normal back when they were really
forcing this (it kinda felt like Why?.. Cuz we said so...). And
although I used them for a few years on my
Ah, I got it...thanks. Funny, I felt we all kinda got snookered by Shimano
into at least trying low normal back when they were really forcing this (it
kinda felt like Why?.. Cuz we said so...). And although I used them for a
few years on my mountain bikes, I was admittedly relieved when
I agree it would mess me up but my wife is an inexperienced cyclist
and I think she might appreciate a universal direction on easy and
hard when she gets bar ends pretty soon...
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On 01/23/2015 10:15 AM, Montclair BobbyB
I have a low normal on my Long Haul Trucker paired with friction downtube
shifters. I have to admit I still do not transition well to opposite
motions after decades of high normal usage. I still enjoy the difference
though. And if the rear shifter or cable ever failed I would have three low
Shimano called it Rapid Rise but others call it low normal --
Basically, the derailleur's spring carries it to the largest cog, i.e. the
lowest gear. So its normal position would be on the lowest gear - hence
low normal. And since the spring tension is helping the derailleur to the
larger
The alfine IGH bar ends work the same way but I had rapid rise in the past
so it was pretty easy transition.
On Jan 22, 2015 9:08 PM, Kyle Brooks bicycle1...@gmail.com wrote:
Shimano called it Rapid Rise but others call it low normal --
Basically, the derailleur's spring carries it to the
Hmmm...I have a Homer on order and I am getting bar end shifters. But I am
new to bar end shifters and I like the idea of up is up-shift and down
is down-shift. Maybe I should consider one of those wierdo backward
derailers. Any suggestions?
Doug Williams
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at
On 01/22/2015 09:37 PM, Doug Williams wrote:
Hmmm...I have a Homer on order and I am getting bar end shifters.
But I am new to bar end shifters and I like the idea of up is
up-shift and down is down-shift. Maybe I should consider one of
those wierdo backward derailers. Any
On 01/22/2015 09:08 PM, Kyle Brooks wrote:
Whether its backwards or normal would depend on one's point of view.
Normal is the norm. The way every other modern derailleur works.
Get used to a backwards-acting derailleur and you may be sure, it will
end in tears. They've all been
Where RapidRise fails is double-shifting of bar-ends or downtubers, which
may not be a common practice for most folks. Sometimes when approaching an
incline I want to shift down a chainring, which now leaves me in too low a
gear in back, so now that one has to be shifted up. A faster way to do
Don't do it! That's my suggestion.
Why not?
~Hugh
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I didn't intend to say you *can't *double-shift low normal; but you lose
the 'push both levers the same direction' trick for it. I'd rather have*
that* trick than 'push the same for high gears with each lever'. Like I
said, I suspect double-shifting isn't in wide use. It probably isn't even
Great observation! I've noticed this on many occasions with conventional bad
end shifters.
(Never having considered low normal, the issue you point out has never
registered. Interesting.)
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On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
Where
To all the low normal haters:
I have owned a few, although the vast majority of mine are (high) normal.
But my favorite derailleur of all time, the Shimano XTR m951 (with the
built-in rollamajig) is a low normal derailleur and is without a doubt the
finest shifting derailleur I've ever owned.
I only ever double shifted with brifters, and I'm not using those now anyway.
Interesting discussion. The rapid rise aka low normal would be used
for my wife's bike so the easy and hard direction on the bar ends
never changes.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com
On my Ram, Rom, and Bomba, I have the exact same RD on each, an XT
M760-SGS a long cage low-normal XT RD. I even have a fourth sitting a
shelf as a spare since they're no longer made. One bike uses downtube
shifters, the other two use bar-end shifters; the low-normal works great
w/
Yes, I understood what you meant. Like going from the big ring to the
middle ring while shifting one gear higher in the back, gives a more
even ratio change. I did this on Shimano brifters by pressing both
small buttons at once, and I have seen it done on downtube shifters by
moving both
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