[RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-21 Thread Evan Baird
When I lived in Seattle I experimented with shellacking skinwalls to prevent sidewall rot. It's worked out ok. Kind of DIY gumwall. On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:54:16 AM UTC-8, Jason Cloutier wrote: Michael, That's not a gumwall tire, it's a skinwall tire. A true gumwall tire has a layer

[RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-19 Thread Jason Cloutier
Michael, That's not a gumwall tire, it's a skinwall tire. A true gumwall tire has a layer of rubber covering the sidewalls from bead to bead. The sidewalls are covered with gum colored rubber without carbon black added, thus the name. My old Schwinn Varsity had gumwall tires. My Surly has

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-18 Thread Ron Mc
We've come half-circle on appearances. In the 70s/80s, gumwalls looked techy, edgy and fast. Now, it's blackwalls that look techy, edgy and fast, while gumwalls (or challenge tan rubber) look traditional and laid back. On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:00:59 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-18 Thread Tim Gavin
Re: vintage MTB gumwalls The '88 Schwinn Project KOM-10 I picked up recently still had on the original Project KOM tires. They look a bit better than this pair (ended with 0 bids, go figure) on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=261272704228 However, the rubber is really

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Evan Baird
At that time only low end tires would have been black wall, not the kind of serious enthusiast tires Panasonic, Mitsuboshi, Specialized and WTB were making in Japan. High end clincher tires were meant to look like sew ups, because that's what you saw on pro bikes. It stated with MTB tires and

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 01/17/2014 04:38 PM, Evan Baird wrote: At that time only low end tires would have been black wall, not the kind of serious enthusiast tires Panasonic, Mitsuboshi, Specialized and WTB were making in Japan. High end clincher tires were meant to look like sew ups, because that's what you saw

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Ron Mc
I got surprised with a new set of Challenge Parigi-Roubaix clinchers. I have this tire in gumwall tubies, and have it blackwall clincher. When I bought a set of brown/black clinchers, expected them to be gumwalls, but no - they are heavy polymerized rubber just like the tread, but obviously

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Philip Williamson
fyp: They still look like awesome tires to me. One more example of how MTB has perfected our aesthetic sense... Philip On Friday, January 17, 2014 1:59:56 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 01/17/2014 04:38 PM, Evan Baird wrote: At that time only low end tires would have been black

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Eric Platt
Hmm, back when I rode mountain bikes (ca 1984-89) the tires in general were gumwall. And broke down after about 6 months. That was also the problem with my last set of Pasela gumwalls. Barely 1000 miles before the sides started to pull apart. As one can tell, I prefer blackwalls for

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread Daniel M
In my experience gumwalls are suceptible to UV degradation and always seem to fail before the tread as a result. On a much less important note, they show dirt and grime. I prefer blackwall. Tires are in constant contact with the ground; I don't need them to look pretty anywhere near as much as

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-17 Thread cyclotourist
I love gumwalls! http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4103817724 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4103814910/ Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, back when I

[RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-16 Thread Evan Baird
The story I was told is that modern black wall tires came about because Specialized was trying to copy some Japanese tires and the factory they contracted with wasn't able to reproduce the amber sidewalls, so they just covered the whole thing with black rubber and said this is the new thing,

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 01/16/2014 04:40 PM, Evan Baird wrote: The story I was told is that modern black wall tires came about because Specialized was trying to copy some Japanese tires and the factory they contracted with wasn't able to reproduce the amber sidewalls, so they just covered the whole thing with

Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
It's exactly the same. Specialized was responsible for those ancient blackwalls on English 3-speeds, too. FACT! OK, just kidding, but here is a real story about Specialized. Working at a Specialized dealer in the late 1980s we were amused to see some of the Taiwan bike boxes with a typo.

[RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

2014-01-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yes. The best video I've seen on the process is the one Schwalbe put out: http://bit.ly/1iKh59F On Monday, January 13, 2014 3:30:50 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: All that the casing is on gumwall, non-puncture protected Panaracer tires is just a web of strands, embedded in rubber? Topped off