[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-26 Thread Joe Bernard
Check Greg Reiche's post in this iBob thread. https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/EJwZY9TJoS0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-26 Thread Lungimsam
Main concern is getting the crank arm back on tight enough. How do you know? Is there a torque spec for square taper cranks? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-26 Thread Joe Bernard
Yep. You'll need Allen wrenches to fit the center crank bolt, plus the chainring bolts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+uns

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-26 Thread Lungimsam
So for my Sugino XD600 crank and my Shimano square taper bb spindle I just need this, an allen wrench, and a chain ring bolt wrench to get the job done? http://www.parktool.com/product/crank-puller-for-square-taper-cranks-ccp-22?category=Crank & Bottom Bracket -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-25 Thread RichS
I share Michael's to grease or not to grease quandary. My solution has been to apply an ultra thin bit of grease to the tapers. Splitting the difference I guess. So far so good. A torque wrench and patience gives me peace of mind too. Best of luck, Richard On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 6:10:04 P

Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-25 Thread Ron Mc
I have a nice torque wrench, so I use it on BB and cranks. When I've gone back and checked, I've never had a relaxed crank bolt. Keep up with chainring bolt tightness, though... So far, the only chainring bolts that have never become loose on me were factory-torqued Campy. -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-25 Thread ascpgh
Loosening seems to be on account of the plastic nature of the aluminum arm on the less so steel spindle under the stresses of pedaling, and the subsequent loss of preload torque of the bolt. I recall cheaper, softer alloy arms loosening with predictability. Maybe that alloy was more plastic to

Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-25 Thread Michael Hechmer
The grease or not to grease debate reverberates in the bike world, and there are many smart people who say no grease. I have gone back and forth over 35 years of bike wrenching but my personal experience says not to grease. I have never damaged a crank by over tightening it. I have had two a

Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread Joe Bernard
Or you can grease the spindle. That's always an option. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To po

Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread Joe Broach
​ On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > 2. No grease on square taper spindles. It encourages installing the crank > too hard to the point of splitting it. > I think it's not a big deal either way, but here's Jobst on the subject, via Sheldon: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread dougP
Point of dis-agreement. I use anti-sieze on the spindle, and short wrenches to avoid over-tightening. Valid point about over-tightening; it's easy to do. It's a bicycle, not a bulldozer; easy does it, esp with aluminum. Doug p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goog

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread Joe Bernard
1. I've never used a torque wrench, but I've been doing this stuff as long as Mark has and probably have am internal torque sensor in my head. Torque wrenches are a good thing. 2. No grease on square taper spindles. It encourages installing the crank too hard to the point of splitting it. --

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread Lungimsam
Thanks. two more questions: 1.Just push on the crank and tighten like Mark does? No need to worry about torque spec? It will settle in the original place on the spindle? Only reason I mention that is because I think one of the Randonneurs on this forum said he messed up his spindle by overtight

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread dougP
I've always used anti-sieze in place of grease. Seems to last forever. Never had any problems even after years. Doug p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

2016-05-24 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yes. First, when you insert the crank bolt extractor make sure you thread it all the way in. You are relying on those threads to break the bond between the crank and the BB. Second. if you are working with a Sugino crank, as shown on the video, keep in mind that you are working with the