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2014-01-26 Thread Coconutbill
It was a righteous ride with some spirited philosophical conversation. Being on the bike focuses me on the present. Sometimes you can think only about each individual pedal stroke, and that is at times, my form of meditation. As an atheist I try to find solace in the present. I would

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2014-01-26 Thread Philip Williamson
As I re-read Patrick's words, it sounds to me like he's using the difference between right and wrong as a way to find God, not using God to be told the difference between right and wrong. As an atheist, I completely agree with his approach; I just bleeped over all the God parts. Philip

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2014-01-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Coconut, glad you caught that. That was the point. Yesterday on each stroke there was no other option but to be in your head to be the witness. For me it's therapy. On the matter of existence, it is all subjective and I always attempt to give individuals their due respect regardless their view

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2014-01-26 Thread dougP
One pedal stroke at a time I think you guys are onto something. I enjoy long climbs for that reason and the need to pay attention to breathing. A simple, repetitive task that calms the mind cuts down on internal chatter. dougP On Sunday, January 26, 2014 10:53:44 AM UTC-8, hsmitham

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2014-01-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Dear Philip and Peter, Well, you're both right and both wrong in understanding what I was attempting to say, but it is clear this is not the forum for further discussion of it, so I won't make further attempts to clarify. Please accept my apologies for straying beyond the confines of this

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2014-01-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Patrick, Ah you can say what you like my Brother. My post was an introspective one and your thoughts and beliefs are valid. Please feel free to clarify. After all I believe the Riv universe would approve as long as there's no serious proselytizing. You are loved. ~Hugh Life is like riding a

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2014-01-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks, Hugh. I will say this much ... Saint Nicholas is real, and as an eternal member of the Communion of Saints he is beyond time and space, so space Santa is entirely logical with the eyes of faith. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:50:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

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2014-01-26 Thread cyclotourist
Oh, snaps! On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Thanks, Hugh. I will say this much ... Saint Nicholas is real, and as an eternal member of the Communion of Saints he is beyond time and space, so space Santa is entirely logical with the eyes of faith.

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2014-01-26 Thread Mike
I know. That was sweet. On Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:09:37 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, snaps! On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Thanks, Hugh. I will say this much ... Saint Nicholas is real, and as an eternal member of

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2014-01-26 Thread Peter Morgano
Haha, sorry for my tone seeming harsh, Internet is a hard place for tone. My daughter and wife are religious and I was an altar boy and have a minor in religious studies. I more find religion fascinating than real though. Feel free to speak your mind, you don't need anyone's permission to do that,

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2014-01-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Apology accepted, Peter. I am sorry the faith you experienced growing up was tainted to be less than its infinite reality. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:22:53 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Haha, sorry for my tone seeming harsh, Internet is a hard place for tone. My daughter

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2014-01-26 Thread grrlyrida
Years ago when I had a subscription to Bicycling magazine, they had a story about this amazing cyclist who was as fast as anyone on the TdF. The problem was that he refused to race. He would spend hours on his bike in the mountains, even refusing full time work so he could spend his day riding

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2014-01-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
How come I've never seen you in my church?? ~Hugh Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving. -- Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:44 PM, grrlyrida grrlyr...@gmail.com wrote: Years ago when I had a subscription

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2014-01-25 Thread Robert Barr
Bosco Bars, mindfulness, Bhagavad Gita, St Ignatius, and a touching reminder of why it all matters. Thank you Hugh. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Eunice Chang sleepyn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your words, Hugh. There is no easy way to deal with this, but doing what you love always

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2014-01-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Mindfull ... what? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:43:08 AM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote: Bosco Bars, mindfulness, Bhagavad Gita, St Ignatius, and a touching reminder of why it all matters. Thank you Hugh. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Eunice Chang

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2014-01-25 Thread Robert Barr
Patrick, when Chris wrote about living in the moment and looking with clear eyes and an open heart, he was describing a fundamental aspect of Buddhism that is often referred to as mindfulness. The hope is to be aware of what is going on within us and all around us; conscious of presence, thoughts

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2014-01-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
Absolutely, Robert. I should have put a Grin. after my Mindfull ... what? as that is a joke I give my kids a hard time with quite often. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:18:01 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote: Patrick, when Chris wrote about living in the moment and

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2014-01-25 Thread Mike
I was in Rockville, MD last week and out for a walk and came across this. I wish I had gotten a better picture. Seems appropriate to this thread. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/12070868505/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

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2014-01-25 Thread Robert Barr
Or as my daughters have been known to ask me is this one of those things we have to think about? I thought there might be a grin there! On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Absolutely, Robert. I should have put a Grin. after my Mindfull ... what? as

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2014-01-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
No such thing, sweetheart. You never have to think about anything. But you may want to choose to. Grin. Mindfulness, logic, and reason are among the weapons that fight temptation. Learn to recognize false logic and you have learned how to recognize sin (since sin doesn't have the truth to work

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2014-01-25 Thread Peter Morgano
Learn to realize us atheists aren't any different in recognizing false logic Don't need space Santa to tell me right from wrong. On Jan 25, 2014 9:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: No such thing, sweetheart. You never have to think about anything. But you may want to choose

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2014-01-23 Thread Eunice Chang
Thanks for your words, Hugh. There is no easy way to deal with this, but doing what you love always seems to be the right thing to do. If Seth was in heaven, I suspect it'd look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/7091026041/ -Eunice On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:35:13 PM UTC-5,

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2014-01-22 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
involve respect for his beliefs, or at the very least his right to hold them. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Virgil Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:49 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: The why post

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2014-01-22 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
for helping keep me sane and awake. Simultaneously. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deacon Patrick Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: The why post? You decide. Enter now

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2014-01-22 Thread EGNolan
Hugh, Thanks for sharing, it's necessary to put your thoughts down sometimes and to remember everybody goes through something. Your message reminds me of some lyrics by Townes; Spring only sighed summer had to be satisfied fall is a feelin' that I just can't lose. I'd like to stay maybe watch

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2014-01-22 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Indeed. Rides and thoughts like that is one of the main reason this list exists. Thanks for putting that down and sharing it. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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2014-01-22 Thread Cecily Walker
Hugh, I love your writing style. It's conversational, but you can tell that a great deal of thought goes into the words you choose. Thanks for sharing your words with us. On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:35:13 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Sort of off topic...not so much about specific Rivendell

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2014-01-22 Thread Hugh Smitham
Deacon, My Brother...I understand and am touched by your deep understanding of the seen and unseen. Peace, ~Hugh Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving. -- Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Deacon

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2014-01-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Enter now deeply and all moments open wide their arms and embrace you. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:35:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Sort of off topic...not so much about specific Rivendell bikes, parts or RBW HQ doings but there were two Hilsen's involved isn't that

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2014-01-21 Thread dougP
Seems right on topic to me. Bikes, exploration, both geographical and philosphical, and the motivation to put it all together express in writing. Well done. Time cannot be saved, only spent. Spend wisely. dougP On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 3:35:13 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Sort of off

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2014-01-21 Thread cyclotourist
It's not really Dawn till Dusk unless Selma Hayek is somehow involved. All joshing aside, that was a nice read. Thanks for putting it together! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:20 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Seems right

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2014-01-21 Thread Tom Virgil
It isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. Seth Vidal Seth is riding in heaven. I am certain of it. And experiencing the glory of being in the presence of God. As to our dogs... Most of us can't picture a paradise of unspeakable beauty without flowers, trees, and animals. Would it be heaven

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2014-01-21 Thread Bill Lindsay
Is Selma related to Salma Hayek? ;-) On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:47:54 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: It's not really Dawn till Dusk unless Selma Hayek is somehow involved. All joshing aside, that was a nice read. Thanks for putting it together! Cheers, David it isn't a

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2014-01-21 Thread cyclotourist
I believe they are related. Got the movie title backwards as well... tough night! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to