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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:34 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: expanded frame geo & sparse sizing
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> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: expanded frame geo & sparse sizing
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>
> > I've noticed that almost anytime someone mentions BG on a message
> > board he usually chimes in. Bruce, where are you?
>
> I'm in &q
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:34 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: expanded frame geo & sparse sizing
> I've noticed that al
Jim and Mark explored various options with me, including the red skull
stem I found online, home anodizing kits, local plating shops,
powdercoating, etc. We found a black quill adapter but it was super
heavy when it arrived, so we went with a chrome one and decided that
the Thomson stem would only
On Sep 23, 6:56 am, newenglandbike wrote:
> However, it
> seems to me that the upsloping top-tube should not actually add any
> versatility in terms of fit, because the numbers that matter in sizing
> a bike are not actually affected by it.
I ride a 52 cm Sammy and my case might be somewhat illu
To get back to the first point, I was one who could hardly wait for
the Hillborne. Was hoping for a bike that I could put drops on.
Since getting back into riding, was nearly impossible to do this and
still be comfortable. Combination of weight, hand issues, and pro
setups that "insisted" I keep
> I've noticed that almost anytime someone mentions BG on a message
> board he usually chimes in. Bruce, where are you?
Yes, we definitely need to hear from Bruce. I think my Rock 'n Road
is what Bruce calls a 54. I am 5' 11". My Hilsen was a 59. My
Atlantis (I think early second gen) was a 5
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 14:58 -0700, bfd wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2:10 pm, gunnara wrote:
> > Interesting, but way to small for so many people, the talest of those
> > frames is 585 mm long, like an Atlantis in 58, the SH is up to 620mm.
> > I'm 6' 4'' and the SH would fit me with a somewhat upslo
On Sep 23, 2:10 pm, gunnara wrote:
> Interesting, but way to small for so many people, the talest of those
> frames is 585 mm long, like an Atlantis in 58, the SH is up to 620mm.
> I'm 6' 4'' and the SH would fit me with a somewhat upsloping 130mm
> stem, the BG - Impossible with a Rivish fit,
I've noticed that almost anytime someone mentions BG on a message
board he usually chimes in. Bruce, where are you?
That frame does look like a great deal. I was reading his blog and I
think it mentioned there that he'll have LX build kits and completes
soon for a very reasonable price. That fram
Interesting, but way to small for so many people, the talest of those
frames is 585 mm long, like an Atlantis in 58, the SH is up to 620mm.
I'm 6' 4'' and the SH would fit me with a somewhat upsloping 130mm
stem, the BG - Impossible with a Rivish fit, bar on seat-height and so
on.
Gunnar.
PS I s
On Sep 23, 9:04 am, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > The Hillborne-type frame is not just the upsloping top tube. By choosing a
> > specific angle of HT and ST, you can pretty effectively mimic larger frame
> > sizes without necessarily having to build a bigger frame. As you lengthen
> > the saddle and
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 PM, cm wrote:
>>
>> I agree. I came of age when good bikes came with threadless and
>> cheaper bikes came with a quill. I have come to love the look of a
>> quill stem, but more in the way I can appreciate a clas
I've used adapters/threadless stems on a couple of my bikes. This type
of setup ...
1) has easy adjustability and swapability, as has been mentioned before.
2) can be downright ugly with a tall skinny adapter ballooning out to
a relatively massive stem. Of course once you're on the bike, this
I agree with you that threadless isnt an advancement, but I think the
perception amongst younger riders is that it is. My gut reaction is
that nice bikes have threadless and old/cheaper bikes have quills;
though I logically know this to not be true.
Cheers!
cm
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:30 PM, cm wrote:
>
> I agree. I came of age when good bikes came with threadless and
> cheaper bikes came with a quill. I have come to love the look of a
> quill stem, but more in the way I can appreciate a classic car, 8
> tracks, and black and white tv.
I would agree
Aesthetics is a personal thing, much of it rooted in nostalgia. I
doubt many people born after 1980 will ever
> pine for the aesthetics of a quill stem.
I agree. I came of age when good bikes came with threadless and
cheaper bikes came with a quill. I have come to love the look of a
quill stem,
Seth
I have many, many miles on my Atlantis with threaded to threadless
adaptors - first a 1" nitto with a shim, then a VO, then a 1 1/8"
nitto - all with the nice, silver VO or nitto 5EX stems. In my
opinion, and for my use, there have been no downsides - it's the best
of both worlds - easy hand
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:40 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
>
>> Aesthetics is a personal thing, much of it rooted in nostalgia. I doubt many
>> people born after 1980 will ever
>> pine for the aesthetics of a quill stem.
>
> But studies on human notions of what is attractive do show most prefer
> sym
> Aesthetics is a personal thing, much of it rooted in nostalgia. I doubt many
> people born after 1980 will ever
> pine for the aesthetics of a quill stem.
But studies on human notions of what is attractive do show most prefer
symmetry.
What I like about quill aesthetics - and I imagine the re
Yep, it was fine, but not much adjustment beyond a low-ish handlebar
position, without looking goofy.
On Sep 23, 11:25 am, Seth Vidal wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
> wrote:
>
> > We built up an old RB-1 awhile back where the owner had a color
> > pref
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
>
> We built up an old RB-1 awhile back where the owner had a color
> preference for black rather than silver. Black quill stems of the
> desired style/quality were not widely available, so, after
> contemplating a home-anodizi
We built up an old RB-1 awhile back where the owner had a color
preference for black rather than silver. Black quill stems of the
desired style/quality were not widely available, so, after
contemplating a home-anodizing kit and how/where we'd store the big
bucket of acid, we opted for a quill adap
my experience is that I can get so close to perfect fit if the the
basic contact point dimensions are similar. dialing in is relatively
easy to do with quill height, extension, seatpost height, setback.
however, at certain points there are aesthetic compromises and wacko
handling that begin to d
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
>
> Joel, not to stray too far OT, but I disagree. Raising and lowering a
> threadless, clamp-on type stem is not much more difficult that doing
> the same thing with a quill stem, provided the steerer tube hasn't
> been cut to
I should also point out that a threadless stem aesthetics can be
improved with expanded geometry, because the frame design renders a
big stack of spacers unnecessary.
On Sep 23, 11:08 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
> Joel, not to stray too far OT, but I disagree. Raising and lowering a
Joel, not to stray too far OT, but I disagree. Raising and lowering a
threadless, clamp-on type stem is not much more difficult that doing
the same thing with a quill stem, provided the steerer tube hasn't
been cut too short (and obviously, that's a big IF). When it comes to
actually swapping a st
> The Hillborne-type frame is not just the upsloping top tube. By choosing a
> specific angle of HT and ST, you can pretty effectively mimic larger frame
> sizes without necessarily having to build a bigger frame. As you lengthen
> the saddle and handlebar height for larger riders, they move in r
> Now, the full range of stem quill adjustment more closely
> matches the range of human comfort levels.
This flexibility, and of course the aesthetics, are why I remain a big
fan of quill stems.
On Sep 23, 10:51 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
wrote:
> Too much is made of "frame fit", IMO, s
on 9/23/09 6:56 AM, newenglandbike at matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
> What I'm wondering about is the sparse sizing available for
> Rivendell's expanded geometry frames, such as the Hillborne. As I
> understand it, the reasoning behind offering fewer sizes of these
> frames is that one size wil
Too much is made of "frame fit", IMO, since the frame is only a base
to hang parts on. A theoretically suboptimal frame size can usually be
made to work (and work well) using different stems, saddle offsets,
etc. I have owned and enjoyed bikes from 50 cm to 61 cm (all
"traditional" geometries), th
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I suppose if you think of the
limiting factor as handlebar height, then frames with upsloping top
tubes do provide a wider range of adjustment per frame size. Rarely
(at least among the circle of riders who would be interested in these
bikes) do we hear anyone tal
Well . . . there is no perfect way to do things though is there :)
Do the frames like the Sam fit a wider range of riders? Only time
and their sales figures will show that I suppose.
I'm with you about TT and bar height though. The seat tube height
isn't nearly so important as those two. W
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