[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Part of the reason we all bought small mountain bikes was that the frames were generally quite long for the given height. They actually had pretty rangy reach to them. The prevailing wisdom at the time was that you needed significant stand over clearance, hence the longer TT's, etc. - Jim

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Matt Beebe
I do a lot of trail biking (which around here means the woods- hilly singletrack with plenty of roots and rocks) on a Quickbeam, which is sized rivendell recommended saddle height minus 16cm.I have sometimes felt I should have more standover clearance, due to prevailing beliefs.But in

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm convinced the undersize MTB thing was a marketing ploy (or as Jim mentioned, a geometry issue that became a marketing ploy) so folks felt safer riding on trails which at the time seemed a wild and crazy thing to do. Still today you need ultra undersized frames, monster tires, and

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
There is so much truth to this. I'm working on a project bike, trying to find that just right combination of characteristics that can inform an investment in a really high quality frameset. Right now I've got a bike that is just a thrill to ride. Absolutely perfect for me in almost every

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Garth
Been there and done that too . . . lol. Aesthetics don't matter too much for me, the feel on the bike does ! I see man and bike as a union, separate but work in unity . Its pure feeling. Small frames just don't feel right to me. And also, I rather like spending money for things

Re: [RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Goshen Peter
maybe its the shopper in me but saving a buck on the things I really want is the BEST feeling, come on! On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Been there and done that too . . . lol. Aesthetics don't matter too much for me, the feel on the bike does ! I see

Re: [RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-13 Thread Garth
Sometimes yes, this is true. And sometimes the best feeling is to just buy it , regardless of cost. Free of any consideration other than , do I really want this ? Regardless of how, it's our sense of Liberty that we are expressing and feels so darn good ! Liberty ! We all know the

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-12 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
I did just that and have regretted it. Here's why. If I am riding rough trails I use a real offroad bike. By real I mean a bike that will take 2.4 to 3.0 inch tires, like a Karate Monkey, Pugsley, or Salsa Ala Carte. I don't mean boingy boingy. The AllRounder most often gets ridden on pavement

[RBW] Re: under-sizing

2014-09-12 Thread rw1911
First reply and a nice reality check on my silly idea. Thanks. That definitely is not aesthetically pleasing. (no offense to you or others) I own two very capable for my type of riding non-suspension mountain bikes, GT Peace 9r's, one single speed and one geared. They have been