Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ooo! Train wreck. Pety. Wha...? Whoa! Crunch! Rubber necking never pays. Just ask my brain. Ouch. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Peter Morgano
Ha ha, while they do come back a lot it def not 300mm! Its hard to explain but I get about 4 good positions out of them. the middle section is actually really wide and not uncomfortable for me, personally but its all about what works for you. Its nice to have so much rise for city riding and still

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Garth
In theory, yes. However, I do not consider the middle portion of the Boscos to be "practical" to *actually use*. I have no desire to place my hands in that awkward position. Also, one cannot mount the thumbshifters like I do on the Albatross, they'd have to go somewhere else, somewhere I would

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Peter Morgano
So couldn't someone use bar end brake lever and thumb shifters on a Bosco bar and therefore have even more than 12 inches of bar to use? On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Garth wrote: > It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers. > Using bar end brake levers and thumb s

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Garth
It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers. Using bar end brake levers and thumb shifters, I have a range of hand positions a Bosco could not give me. I have a full 300mm, about 12 inches of pure open usable bar to choose from, and I use it all in various situations .

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Aha! All is now clear. Move along, move along there... On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, James Warren wrote: > > You can get the Bosco that's just the handlebar, no quill stem attached. > You then attach to your own stem, 25.4 mm clamp size. I'm pretty sure > you'll have no trouble setting it up w

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well, yes, Steve; but I thought that the Boscoe was like the Bullmoose: with its stem integrated with the bar. Am I wrong? On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 13:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Steve, Yes, they are handlebars. I think the confusion is that one version of the Bosco ("Nitto Bosco Bullmoose Bar, Cromo dullbrite 58cm - 16242" on rivbike) is fillet brazed to a quill stem. The "non-bullmoose" version of the Bosco Bar are available as 25.4mm clamp (handlebar only-- you sup

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Wait: I thought the Boscoe has an integrated stem, like the old Bullmoose bar. Am I wrong? On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: > Patrick, I am confused, is the clamp diameter for the Bosco different than > the Albatross? Not sure what the difference would be between getting eith

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 13:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless > Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be > a huge liability. > Now I'm really confused. Albatross & Bosco are HANDLEBARS, right? There's n

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread James Warren
You can get the Bosco that's just the handlebar, no quill stem attached. You then attach to your own stem, 25.4 mm clamp size. I'm pretty sure you'll have no trouble setting it up with a threadless stem.My use of Boscos is with a really long stem - a 17 cm Ritchey (Nitto-made) from the early 90's.

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Peter Morgano
Patrick, I am confused, is the clamp diameter for the Bosco different than the Albatross? Not sure what the difference would be between getting either one of them in a stem. Having ridden both for a while I would go Bosco, it has more hand positions for sure. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, PATR

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a huge liability. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan wrote: > > Patrick, >> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one >> b

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Patrick -- good advice, and I've heard it from others, too. No change immediately thanks to money shortage, but I will keep stacking the evidence toward Boscos -- whoops, just realized that, with the Fargo's threadless headset system, those are out. Albatrosses, then -- will keep stacking

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread EGNolan
> Patrick, > go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one bike > and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe, IME, is > a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions (though > I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), b

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Deacon Patrick
Patrick, All my comments refer to the Albatross, but I imagine they are at least equally true of the Bosco bars. Sand: is rough and no doubt always is. The width of the bars makes it easier to keep straight. I always shift back to the more upright/wider grip in sand. Descents: far easier uprig

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Jeremy -- you've *almost* got me convinced that I should try something similar with the Fargo. That you find no loss of power on hills while sitting more upright, makes me switch my intention to the Bosco from the Albatross. I'd be interested in your experience of differences between the two. Thre

[RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

2013-05-14 Thread Jeremy Till
Just an update of some recent changes to my Quickbeam, riding the Appaloosa, and thoughts on upright riding in general. http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2013/05/spring-2013-becoming-upright.html I've talked about a lot of the same things here but wanted to kind of provide an overview of