Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:46 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette options w/ 34T cogs that it

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread John Speare
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on different wheelsets. Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR 8speed

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I can't say I understand the need for this either? I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end Shimano wouldn't do? I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a big leap from $16

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two

2010-10-20 Thread Eric Norris
I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace jockey pulleys. Classic Campagnolo derailleurs, with bronze bushings, will last for decades (I have a 1972 rear der that I'm still using). Modern indexed systems have less tolerance for wear and may not last as long, but

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two

2010-10-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 10/20/10 2:28 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote: All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear derailer last? I've worn out a couple - an old Deer Head Deore which was the original on my '83 Montare mtb. Towards the end, you could actually feel the slop as

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 04:48 -0700, Johnny Alien wrote: I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and others rebadge. This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked they will be carrying them. I guess the real question is, how much of the

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl mkah...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other manufacturer's brifters.  From RBW's point of view (and mine) these concerns are

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread James Warren
As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur. On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl mkah...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the discussion

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:18 -0700, James Warren wrote: As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur. And if Shimano is no longer interested in supporting 9 speed shifters, it's nice

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:06 -0700, Peter Pesce wrote: Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't be available if they didn't make them, which I think is an awesome mission statement, I don't see where cheap derailers fit in. The work will always be full of them.

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame.  Seems a little backwards. That's

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread John Speare
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's a little more reality for you: I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps two to three years. This is because of

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:42 -0700, Garth wrote: 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find, As far as I know, every gearing combination originally available for 7 speed cassettes is still available, although it's true the HG70s have been discontinued. 7 is more widely available than 8: in the

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:00 -0700, bfd wrote: That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot brakes with no q/r he use to sell. I remember those brakes. They had plenty of reach and clearance, and this