What is the benefit of threadless to the consumer/rider, Garth? I do not
see it.
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I haven't looked them up, but some of the brightly anodized early 90's mtb
parts are becoming collectible. I wouldn't be surprised if you could get
$200 or more for the cranks alone, depending on condition.
Jay Hartman
On Saturday, March 28, 2015, Wayne Naha w.r.n...@gmail.com wrote:
Let the
51cm makes sense, the seat tube in the overlay is slightly shorter on the Hunq
so I was suspecting that. The wheel discrepancy is there, you can see the
Hunq's wheels are complete while the Clem's are cut off at the bottom of the
shot. If my maths aren't failing me, a 26 wheel tuning 2.3 max
Fantastic! Great to hear that spring is actually happening anywhere. Snow
without accumulation all day yesterday, fluffy coating everywhere this
morning and 19°, high of 28°. I don't think my plodding winter miles would
be enough base to take a 50 mile ride yet alone 70. I'd be frozen
the only wrong way to do coffee outside is not to do it :-)
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Rivendell Road Custom
Joe Stark Built
This is the very first Joel Green Rivendell built. I ordered this and let Grant
pick the color, the next time the color was used was by another customer named
Joel, hence the name. Grant also has or had a Joel Green Rivendell.
It is a
One wheelset for my Bombadil has 650x42 Hetres and it rides great. I'm
tempted to take it on a long brevet with those tires. The flexibility to
use multiple tire widths is one of the great things with all of my
Rivendells.
jim m
wc ca
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 11:25:56 PM UTC-7, Kevin
Thanks, Jay! I hadn't considered that. Also, the bike is for sale
locally, so if you're feeling froggy, jump!
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 5:11:27 PM UTC-4, jay hartman wrote:
I haven't looked them up, but some of the brightly anodized early 90's mtb
parts are becoming collectible. I
Yes I have , but like everyone else , has anyone tested 2 identical bikes ,
one with a threaded construction of 1 , and the other threadless of 1-1/8
? Maybe a few frame builders have, but not the public. A direct
comparison like this would be truest .
That said though, I recognize it can
Prior to purchasing my Sam Hillborne I was interested in the Trek 520. The
problem was I couldn't get the handlebars high enough. I wanted them at
least seat height. I emailed Trek to see if a dealer could order one for
me with the steering tube uncut. Here is their reply:
No,
I am considering it. Figure it won't hurt to try. Cant wait to find out.
The recent post about Clem and Hunq geometries being similar is making me
think this may not be that bad of an idea. Until this fall, it's all just
guessing and speculation, at least for me.
Best,
Charles
On
Hey all,
I made my annual trip from Va. to L.A. to see my sister and ride with
bro-in-law, Ian - and of course do a repeat of the Strada Rossa!
These two albums are from Ian's and my ride last Saturday doing the
Redlands Inland Empire Biking Alliance mixed-surface 50k / 100k group ride:
I saw this at the Velo Classique sale in Purcellville, VA, which is not far
from DC. 54 or 55 Atlantis 2 complete bike, $1200. Seems like a
screamin' deal. Sorry i didnt take a good look at the build but did
notice Ultegra STI levers and a funky-looling black crank. Had a pretty
nice rear
Hi Steve,
Anything else to report from this sale?
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 7:17:48 PM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
I saw this at the Velo Classique sale in Purcellville, VA, which is not
far from DC. 54 or 55 Atlantis 2 complete bike, $1200. Seems like a
screamin' deal. Sorry i didnt
It's good for those wanting the absolute lightest and stiffest setups ,
mostly racers and such enthusiasts. Any ride/rider/organization etc. that
is concerned with time , is racing ;)
Except when it's for dinner I suppose and you're mouth is watering .
Exemption there . LoL !
It's more
29ers are even worse. There are a lot of XL 29ers out there with a
100~110mm head tube. It's ridiculous. To get the bars at saddle height, us
tall folks will need 50-80mm of spacers, which looks dorky.
Eric
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FS, 2 bikes, i will be traveling and leaving 4/18 and returning 6/14. Access
to internet not a probkem. Pics available. Will consider oarting out Road.
Prefer to sell bleriot as is. Bleriot ridden just a handfull of times, new
condition, moslty NOS PARTS, MOST Suntour. Velocity Synergy
Some really great deals to be had, definitely -- especially on complete
bikes and frames (a couple of great vintage bikes for $300, including a
super nice 70's Windsor). I got some prototype pedals, a fork, one of the
nice filleted stems and a few odds and ends for under $90. They also had a
I'd heard good things about aeropress but haven't sprung for one myself.
Backpacking and camping, I've used this:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermos-34-Ounce-Insulated-Stainless-Steel-Gourmet/dp/B4S1DB
These are a little on the larger size but make good coffee and keep it warm
for a while.
I hear you, Andy. We're likely to get snow for the next month and a half,
though it's the spring kind that vanishes the next day or two in a wet
sloppy mess. I was glad I got my ride in yesterday. Hard brain day today
has me not doing too much, though I managed a family ride with everyone of
What is the benefit of threadless to the consumer/rider, Garth? I do not
see it.
Dear Patrick,
Well, here's my off-the-cuff list:
1. Easier adjustment, esp. when traveling, as a 32mm wrench on tour is a
hassle, but a 5mm allen is quite easy.
2. Allows installation of a switch for internal
FWIW, my 51cm Hillborne and 52cm Bombadil have the same length head tubes at
about 17cm. I would guess the 51 Hunqapillar and 52 Clem would be similiar.
Looks like the head tubes match up in your overlay.
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I have a few different setups. I like coffee gadgets.
Two different stove setups:
Trangia Mini. Packs pretty small about 3x6.
Caldera Cone Keg. Packs into a 4x8 cylinder.
The Caldera boils faster and is more fun as it uses an up-cycled Fosters can as
the kettle. For grab and go the Trangia
You know Jeremy , it's all about preference :) Threadless was touted as
being superior from it's inception , but to who and with what parameters
in mind must always be considered.There is definitely a place for both
, as both have their pro and con which is an endless discussion not
Have you ridden threadless? It flexes much less than threaded, which some
will find reassuring, especially on rough terrain rides. To the home
mechanic it offers the advantage of being simpler to install and is less
finicky to adjust.
jim m
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On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 12:23:34 PM
Thanks, Will. I still don't get it, but then I don't get why shoes aren't
foot shaped, have a raised heel, cushioning, and support either. Sardonic
grin.
1: Are they really that hard to adjust? I've figured it out and go touring
without headset wrenches and have never had an issue. Not to say
Jim, regarding your thoughts, I'm with you to that extent. Certainly the
wheelbase, bb drop, tire size, fork rake, head tube angle, seat tube angle
and all that go together to form how the thing rides. But I guess what I
was going for is how you choose to build it up to fit it mostly matters in
what are they using in terms of stem?
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA
On 3/26/15, Jim A jamesmarionberryashleywal...@gmail.com wrote:
It is indeed 1 threadless. Slightly strange choice. But I have built up a
couple of the frames and like them.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 1:25:21 PM UTC-7,
Pacenti PL23 is a pretty lightweight rim (maybe the lightest 650b rim on
the market), the walls are thinner than Synergy, I think it will offer less
dent protection.
I'm a big fan of Shimano rear hubs, especially the ones that are last years
or earlier models on closeout. I think shimano hubs
Looks like Matt got a great bike. I hope he rides the hell out of it like
Grant intended.
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 7:25:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Matt Isaacs just emailed me with this photo of the frame I sold him, built
up with Compas 38s!!!
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Paul's: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/
Hugh's:
That looks just right. What a nice looking ride.
dougP
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 7:25:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Matt Isaacs just emailed me with this photo of the frame I sold him, built
up with Compas 38s!!!
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Wow. That person is not good. Deep breath. In. Out. Slow. Nice of them to go
around you after they slid you off the hood?
I'm really glad you're recovering, and that your morale is so good!
Philip
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Threadless is easy to reallocate bars across different bikes, easy to resize a
bike for a very different sized rider, easy to drop a fork out of a frame for
whatever reason. Easy to buy a new stem in a bike shop. I've never had a stuck
threadless stem. All my threadless parts are
The shop where I bought my Disc Trucker doesn't cut steerers at all until
fitted and sold, and then they really encourage leaving an extra inch and a
half to two inches extra, just to be sure before making it shorter. A
benefit of the threadless paradigm. Actually handy if the the ideal stem is
Many if not most complete bikes sold in shops come already cut with the
stem installed , at least it was when I worked in the biz putting them
together from the box. Some brands, like a Surly of course, do not. But
I'm talking your mainstream bike shops here , like those that sell the
Trek,
If I were holding my bosco bars in the air, I wouldn't be smiling like that
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-5, A. L Young wrote:
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Riv content: a golden bicycle, of course.
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I wanted to add some more to my brake impression.
Been riding the Tektro 720s for a bit longer. You can take the Riv
evaluation (on their site) as gospel. The brakes are strong, they modulate
really well and they are good looking. If you are running mid-40s tires and
want something that is
From the Ram.
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excellent David - glad you like it.
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 2:16:59 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Delivered today, thanks! That thing is freaky-light! Love having it on my
Salsa as I can get away with the scarring. Too much beasuage for a Riv! :-)
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at
You can ride any tire you want , it's just a say 28mm tire won't be so
comfy ;) . Just because a frame can take wide tires and most appear to
ride them means nothing . It's your bike, your ride , your life , your joy
:)
That said, on my Bombadil I ride Vittoria Voyager Hypers in the
I ride mostly all on road too. These tires would be suitable for dry non
technical dirt trails of course also. I run them between 40-50 psi .
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I enjoyed the comparison of the Clem and Hunq. Nice layover. Just out of
curiosity, what size Hunq was compared to the Clem 52? I ask because I
have been communicate with Riv and 2 of the choices that I have been given
is a 52 Clem and a 54 Hunq. They say that the Clem 52 would give me a
I can't answer that precisely. But can get you closer. I have an Atlantis,
running 44s-45s. The bike is well behaved and fast. My 559x45s roll faster
than my son's 700x35s. Meaning when we are riding together, coasting on
downslopes, I always catch him. We weigh the same (within about 5
One way to find out!
With abandon,
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The standover height of my Hunqapillar and Quickbeam in 90cm and my PBH is
90 cm, and I do just fine, including bikepacking on very rough terrain with
the fattest tires I can get on there with the Hunqa. I think you'd be
delighted with either and you should go with the one that you want. The
I forgot to add that one of my possible plans for riding up Pikes Peak is
the Hunqapillar with Barlow Pass feather light tires (38mm). I expect the
Hunqapiller will ride beautifully with that setup.
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Is there a limit to how high the bars can be above the upper headset
bearing? The further they are above the bearing the greater the forces on
the bearing from handlebar leverage.
dougP
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 9:38:07 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
How do you determine where to cut the
I used Conti contacts and marathon
Dureme, both were 38-4mm, before switching to 50 mm Big Ben. I think the Big
Ben are faster as well as more versatile. Something like a 35mm Pasela might
be interesting, buyIng wouldn't want anything narrower.
Marc
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Tom and James, I remember I even called Surly to confirm it was not a typo
as it did not make any sense , they said to just use a higher angle stem or
an additional riser . Well, I thought, that's nobody I want to do
business with . It kinda negates some of the benefit of the threadless
aeropress, trangia kettle and windscreen, an actual ceramic mug, porlex
grinder.
don't forget matches or a lighter!
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If there is Doug, it's gotta be pretty high ! Look at Bike Friday type of
bike for example , the bars are way higher than on any road bike ! Tiny
frame, huuuge steerer !
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 12:26:37 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
Is there a limit to how high the bars can be
When I first saw your (very cool) overlay, I thought about wheel size
discrepancies. I have a folder full of Hunq pics and I'm going to say the
Hunqapillar is a 51, which has 26 wheels. The 54cm Hunq's have a much
smaller gap at the top tube-head tube-down tube junction, due to the longer
Just an aside: it's funny that here 38-40 mm tires are on the narrow end
of the spectrum. My Atlantis came with 35 mm Paselas, and I recall reading
somewhere that the bike was designed for tires in the 35-50 mm range.
Since then, 38-40 feels like the optimal size and looks perfectly normal.
Hey Chris:
Have you sent the freewheel?
Cheers,
Patrick
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Murray
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It's yours!! Send me your info and I'll reply off list.
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Thanks!
Chris
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The shop where I bought my Disc Trucker doesn't cut steerers at all until
fitted and sold, and then they really encourage leaving an extra inch and a
half to two inches extra, just to be sure before making it shorter.
Exactly. This makes a lot of sense to me, especially for buyers who know
This is my favorite coffee
maker:
http://www.bialetti.com/www.bialetti.com/coffee/stovetop/moka-express-c-1_7_22.html
If I was doing a longer trip, I take something lighter, but for a coffee
excursion it packs fine.
jim m
wc ca
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 8:41:28 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
A wee dram of whisky couldn't hurt
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Hi Peter,
Have you sent the bars or can you please provide me with an update? It has
been about a month and a half since I paid you. I have been trying to
contact you and haven't heard back.
Thanks,
Richard
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 9:41:47 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
All good,
The vast majority of production bikes come with pre-cut steerers, and how
much they are cut depends on the manufacturer. Generally it's rare to have
more than 40mm of adjustment above the headset upper. In fact, the fork is
usually fully installed, and all we do at the shop is maybe install
That was fun! Let's see BMXers do some of those stunts. And she did it with
heels! Thanks Aaron.
~Hugh
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Im gearing up to do this activity on the weekends. I'm wondering what
people use for coffee outside, and a list of items one shouldn't leave home
without. Add your photos as well. Thanks.
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For absolutely best quality without consideration for space, aeropress with
the stove of your choice. However, I use a Helix coffee cone with a fabric
filter, Ocean Air Cycles has
them: http://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/helix-coffee-dripper. It
tastes nearly as good and is ridiculously
IME, relying upon one (or two, or three...) aspect(s) of the geometry never
really translates to real-world behavior. Patrick and others touch on this
above.
Back when low-trail was in fact the New Low Trail™ I was lucky enough to
have a few longer conversations with Grant about the urge to
Garth, I found that aspect of Surly's sizing quite puzzling... I was
looking at an Ogre in XXL for a while but in fact you can't get the bars
any higher on an XXL than on a small. An extra 50 mm on the steerer and I
would probably have bought one. It makes very little sense to me, but I
guess
I don't know, it's the smaller Hunq frame pictured on the product page, and
so either a 51 or 54 at that size. Since I didn't know for sure, I sized
things more off the pedal and crankset instead of the seat tubes, there's
definitely some margin for error involved. If anyone know what size the
I know.
People say that with threadless, you can certainly get high bars; just leave
the steer tube long. If it's steel, you can spacer it up to the moon, so they
say. But in practice, I've noticed that the production bikes, no matter how
many X's there are on the L, are made so that the bars
I wish Surly would have proportionately taller head tubes on their bikes.
They are across the board 20-30mm too short IMHO. The 60cm Crosscheck for
example has a 160mm headtube. To my way of thinking, that should be 190mm.
180 would be a good compromise. Then you could get rid of 30mm of spacers
Nope! I looked and looked for something I could get the bars high enough on
to use as a mountain bike, because at the time I couldn't afford a second
Riv. My conclusion was Riv or custom (I didn't really look at
oingo-boingos, though...). I suppose a custom fork with a long steerer for
a Surly
First step is to get out there. trial and error will teach what works for
you.
I've used lots of stuff for Coffee Outside, biking, backpacking, car
camping. My current rig is an alcohol-fueled popcan stove (well, Guinness
can actually...) Snowpeak pot for boiling, and Snowpeak folding filter
Let the discounting begin! Also, my wife thinks that the purple cranks are
keeping folks from loving this bike. I told her no way that's true. But
if you want, I bet with the application of some elbow grease and scotch
brite pads, you could take that color right off. Lets say $700.00 for
Very cool overlay, well done. Your comparison of the frame geometries
seems spot on.
On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 2:27:15 AM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
The poor man's Hunq.
I did the best I could to compare the Hunq and Clems at similar sizes. If
both of them are running the same size
It's been a few years, but we never touched 'em until the bike was sold.
Most were supplied with an appropriate set of spacers so you didn't have
to. IIRC, if there was more than an inch or so left to spacer-ize, that
was rare. They were generally supplied with a specific tube length from
Hey friends,
Just curious if anyone has a set of paul motolites that aren't being used or
something similar in the linear department. Not a big fan of canti's really.
Plus I just like the looks of v brakes. Let me know
Mike
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Mafac Racers, front rear, complete w/ mafac-branded front rear cable
hangers. Good condition. $40
Shimano 105 road brake levers, silver w/ black hoods. Good condition. $10
Shimano cassette, 8 speed, 12-23. Very good condition
That's an awesome overlay!
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wrote:
The Clem is a much more laid back, cruiserish, town bike. Upright is way
upright. Stays are extra long. I think it could handle anything, but it
wont be quick doing those things.
Delivered today, thanks! That thing is freaky-light! Love having it on my
Salsa as I can get away with the scarring. Too much beasuage for a Riv! :-)
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
done here - thanks !
On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 5:53:49 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc
It is indeed 1 threadless. Slightly strange choice. But I have built up a
couple of the frames and like them.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 1:25:21 PM UTC-7, Eddie Flayer wrote:
it says 1 inch headset, so must be 1 inch threadless steerer. If in doubt,
send them an email.
On Friday,
Because the seat lug is the same on all sizes? Seat stay angle can't change
so the stays curve. Maybe throw in a little Grant likes to do
strange/interesting things every now and then.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 1:26:00 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
I noticed the chainstays have a slight
I read a piece on the Internet a couple of days ago in which the author
swapped the 50-something tires on his Hunq for 38s or 40s. He wasn't into
single-tracking and was trying to make the bike into a better (read faster)
commuter. Has anyone in the Group tried the thin tire route on a Hunq
The Clem is a much more laid back, cruiserish, town bike. Upright is way
upright. Stays are extra long. I think it could handle anything, but it
wont be quick doing those things.
Clearances- easier on the Clem, but similar
I haven't touched either in person, so, I can't say with
The Hunqapillar is an off-road tourer meets mountain bike. To me the Clem
seems like the perfect budget/production version of the same concept. Long
chainstays/wheelbases have been popular on off road bikes since their
inception and are good for stability on descents and, depending on who you
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