[RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

>"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing?" I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear rider. Basically, he's saying there's too much chance of pedal strikes with such a low bottom bracket. Think corners without the ability to

[RBW] Re: FS - 56cm double top tube Sam F/F/HS - $400

Sold On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 5:34:26 PM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote: > > Selling a 56cm double top tube Sam F/F/HS. In good shape, but there is a > dent in the seat tube. > > The headset and bottom bracket are from a Riv build circa 2013. > > Frame is in Baltimore and price is for local

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

Probably buy both another custom as well as a Senor Frank Jones, if history has taught us more than aught. On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote: > > Monday or Tuesday we should have geometry/ordering info. > With shipping it costs more than I can get a custom

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

Aha; got it. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:13 PM, iamkeith wrote: > > >"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I > missing?" > > I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear > rider. Basically, he's saying there's too much

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

consider me very tempted. need geo. at 6" I might be pushing it. though I am not in the super high bar camp Clayton Scott SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

IMBD site states filming location is Walt Disney Studios, Burbank CA for "Monkeys Go Home" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061989/locations?ref_=ttfc_sa_4 John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 5:59:57 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote: > Or a movie set? It looks almost *too*

[RBW] Re: Torque

Thanks Joe and Bill. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: How do you like your Catalyst pedals?

There are so many really good platform pedals out these days that it's worth trying a few different ones from stores with at least a 30 return policy. I can see larger shoe sizes working well with the longer platform. The price doesn't bother me. Like the price of an excellent saddle, it is an

[RBW] Re: Nitto R-14 Top Rack for sale

The rack has sold. On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 12:49:34 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote: > > > > I've made the switch to a Pletcher Clem rear

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

Kai, I forgot to reply to your questions on skidding. I don’t. If I’m skidding, I’m not breaking very well and I’m using a very pricy tire instead of a brake pad. To my view, skidding is flashy not practical. On trails, one technique I’ve read about is on technical descents to sit back off

[RBW] Torque

I don't have a clue about torque figures, but if you haven't touched it and it's slipping as delivered I would just give the bolt a couple rotations with a wrench to snug it down. It needs to be good and tight 'cause those crazy-long Boscos put a lot of leverage on it. -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Torque

Here is a link to a webpage on Rivendell Bicycle Works' website which lists the recommended torque specifications from Nitto: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/nitto-torque-specs The stem clamp bolt is an M8, I'm 99% sure. That means 13 N-m On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 6:34:40 PM UTC-8,

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

If I didn't already own a Quickbeam I would be picking one of these up. It might be the most fun bike I own. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Re: 52 Quickbeam top tube is how long?

Not that I know of. I'm researching which size would be best for me for when I launch my hunt for one. Not sure if 54 or 52 would be best. 54 TT is really long for me. I am a 54-55.5 tuber. I ride with drops. 55.5 in my max limit for TT length. Ridden enough Rivs to know. -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

The guy who runs that blog made a rad book of old Hollywood people riding bikes. Check it out: https://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Rides-Bike-Cycling-Stars/dp/1883318637 He also did one about coffee: https://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Café-Coffee-Steven-Rea/dp/0764349899 -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

Read the latest grant blug post on the new ss to read his take on the dangers of fixed just in case you weren't aware of the ones he talks about. Just want you to be informed. Not poo-poo-ing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Torque

And don't assume that the bar you have is the diameter it's listed as in print. Actually look at it and read the diameter of that stamped into the bar and then measure it with a caliper. Once I received a 25.4 mustache bar from Rivendell. Normally that old model was 26.0. It was stamped 25.4.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Hey John, I appreciate the answer, though it sounds like you were meaning to answer Lum's as mine was more a statement/answer ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] FS - 56cm double top tube Sam F/F/HS - $400

Not super knowledge on Sams... What height or pbh will this fit? I'm local ish -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Igor, I believe Mike Kone's answer is "yes". I posted the link to Boulder Bicycles in response to the thread about "optimum" tire widths for various rim diameters. Boulder designed and sells a 650B low trial and a 700C low trial (both planning), mainly for general riding and brevets, Kone put

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

Assuming the grilver is the same or similar to the first batch of clems and then cheviots, I'll say it is way better in person. Single handedly made me like metalic colors again. And, unlike any other riv color i can recall, it looks equally fantastic with black components or that cheap

[RBW] Re: FS - 56cm double top tube Sam F/F/HS - $400

Yup, my wife has an 86 pbh and a saddle height of 75. I've added some additional pictures to the Flickr album of the dent in profile. It does not photograph well, but you can feel it, see it looking directly at it because of the light reflection, and sort of see it in profile. I checked with

Re: [RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

That Philcentric looks interesting; I've never seen it before. But I expect that the Q for any external bearing crank is wider than for what you can find in a square tape system? I'd be happy to be corrected. I know that the Q for the one mtb triple with external bearings was 173, and research

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

It's true that René Herse's and Alex Singer's bikes went to narrower 700C tires for their randonneur bikes. They didn't stop at 30-32 mm. By the 1970s, their bikes were equipped with 25 or even 23 mm tires. This wasn't necessarily because they thought these tires were faster – they were

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

I'm also not a single-speeder, but I am very tempted to try it out. I've wanted a bike with the Rivendell classic lugs for quite some time, and I could build this up mostly with parts on hand as a single-speed drop bar commuter. I just need to know what's the largest size I can stand over with

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

Kai, Holdfasts are great, but take that with a grain of salt. Your verdict on Holdfasts may depend on your own experience with toe clips and or clipless pedals and personal preferences regarding the feel of foot retention... but I come from a flat pedal background never having used any of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

Mike Kone's observations about René Herse's and Alex Singer's bikes are only partially correct. Yes, they did go to narrower 700C tires for their randonneur bikes, but they didn't stop at 30-32 mm. By the 1970s, their bikes were equipped with 25 or even 23 mm tires. They were following the

[RBW] Frank Jones Sr details

I'm surprised a new thread hasn't already started on this: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/genuinely-limited-edition-frank-jones-sr Grant lists plenty of detail regarding sizes, colors, availability, lots of fiddly details, etc., etc. Enough for a person to get

[RBW] FS - 56cm double top tube Sam F/F/HS - $400

A 56 Sam would fit somebody around 5’10”. Somebody with a saddle height around 75cm and a PBH around 86cm. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Patrick Moore 'doubts' or 'disagrees with' Jan's tire theories. His fundamental gripe is against absolutism: "it's just calling these "best" that troubles me" Patrick Moore did not present a quote from Jan Heine as the basis of his argument, and I think that's where his 'disagreement' may be

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

We're talking here about "Wheel Size, Tire Width and Handling," Bicycle Quarterly Winter 2017, p. 84-85, I presume. In this article, Jan says: "If the above theory is correct, I should not notice much of a difference since the diameter of the wheels remains unchanged.  That isn't how it

[RBW] Re: Clem L question

Assuming you're asking the general question, "Why go two-speed?", I'll answer for my upcoming Cheviot. I'm going for a simple/light vibe with this bike, so decided to add "just enough gears" to Grant's "just ride" motto. The idea is to have a big-ring ratio for most rides, with the the ability

[RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

Neat photo! The sign in the back says "Cremerie" and "Beurres," so it's probably France. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:12:08 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote: > > Very cool indeed! That has to be the tallest stem that I've ever seen. > What do you think of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > That Philcentric looks interesting; I've never seen it before. But I > expect that the Q for any external bearing crank is wider than for what you > can find in a square tape system? I'd be happy to be corrected. I know

[RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

Queries: it’s for single-speed freewheels, not fixed gear bikes. But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing? 6 or 8 tooth accommodation; that's enough to give you quite a range, from 16 t to 21 t easily; with a 42 t ring, 72" to 55", 16 t one one side, 17/20 or 21

[RBW] Nitto R-14 Top Rack for sale

I've made the switch to a Pletcher Clem rear rack and have decided to sell my R-14. I've used it on my commuter for the past 5-6 months. The

[RBW] Random OT impressions sought: BF Haul-a-Day

Well that unintended foray into off-topicism worked out nicely: I'm now the proud new owner of a Flag Red Haul-a-Day. From a Rivster! Wait, now all my bikes are different shades of red: Flag Red, Candy Apple and Maroon. I'm a bikematcher  Joe "any color you want, as long as it's..." Bernard

[RBW] Time Traveling Grant?

It looks to me like he was on location in France in 1967 for "Monkeys Go Home" . Check out this photo, he is wearing the exact same pants as he is on the bicycle. Notice 3 things: The shirt is the same, the belt is the same , and the faded vertical crease in the front right pants leg below

Re: [RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

White Industries R30 which should work with the Philcentric I think has a Q factor of 157.2mm. https://www.whiteind.com/r30 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

Jim and Justin: Thanks; that's a wee bit lower than the 160 mm of the old Logic with 130 mm bb -- tho' I could get by with a 128/127.5. Not bad! Must keep that in mind for for future options. Jim M said: A Hollowtech XT crank and bb have a 158 Q according to Shimano. Justin said: White

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

Monday or Tuesday we should have geometry/ordering info. With shipping it costs more than I can get a custom for..what is a boy to do? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

Or a movie set? It looks almost *too* genuine to be a real French village. –Eric N > On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Jan Heine wrote: > > Neat photo! The sign in the back says "Cremerie" and "Beurres," so it's > probably France. > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle

[RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

Very cool indeed! That has to be the tallest stem that I've ever seen. What do you think of the location? France, Spain or Italy? Thanks, JohnS On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:24:21 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote: > > Very interesting—wonder if Grant traveled back in time to deliver this >

[RBW] Random OT impressions sought: BF Haul-a-Day

A happy accident for me as well, Joe! May you long enjoy haul-a-daying two engines plus cargo around! Grin. With abadnon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Time Traveling Grant?

I first saw the pic here http://ridesabike.com/ Where the show Ensign O'Toole is cited. So, Hollywoodish? Eric " Never ready for his closeup " Floden Ottawa On 16 December 2017 at 18:31, Garth wrote: > It looks to me like he was on location in France in 1967 for "Monkeys

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

Yep, I want one. Waiting on angles/geometry to choose between the 51 and 53, in blue... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Bill Lindsay (sounding like a Jan Heine apologist) writes: "I would bet a dollar that Jan Heine never said "51mm is the best width for 559 rims", or anything else like that. " Though I agree that Jan may never have said "... is the best ..." he does seem to like the word "optimal", and I do

[RBW] Re: Clem L question

I only saw one chainring up front initially and so wondered how it could be two speed. My mistake. I like the concept of two speed though. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Clem L question

Ahh, in that case I'll amend my answer: It has two chainrings!  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I have a couple different 50 mile rides I do, they are both on mostly paved surfaces, both have at least 8-10 miles of climbing and descending. I’ve done both these rides for close to 25 years. When I got my first 650B bike (in the early 2000s), I started riding that bike more than most. It

[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

Don't bother calling Riv ... I talked to Harry today -- he had no additional details except the frame will be $1500 including frame, fork, headset, seat post. They're "too busy" to get the geometry numbers...those will supposedly be available on the site Monday or Tuesday. On Saturday,

Re: [RBW] Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

I agree with pretty much everything Patrick M says. I had an ENO eccentric hub on my Gunnar Crosshairs many years ago. It worked well enough, pretty clever, but it had definite limitations in gearing accommodation and tire clearance. Eventually, I sold the Gunnar, bought a Surly Cross Check (with

[RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

Built a single-speed a few years ago. A dream to set up and and still going. Looks cool too. On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 5:49:11 PM UTC-8, tc wrote: > > 62cm Quickbeams and SimpleOnes are rarer than unicorns, so looking at > options, like going the Eccentric ENO route with a Roadini, or

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

He did mention that if you run 33’s or larger you can still go fixed, so you Barlow pass el’s would be great! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Sorely tempted by the Holiday Specials

I loved my single-tube Joe and kinda wish I'd kept it. I wish I was tall enough for a double-tuber, especially in that butternut color. But you definitely shouldn't buy it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Sorely tempted by the Holiday Specials

I have both those bikes. 62 Joe and the 64 Clem. Absolutely love both of them. My suggestion is to commit to buying both, then choose just one at the last minute. That way you'll save the price of an entire bike. Always easier to part with just half the money. Jay -- You received this

[RBW] Re: 52 Quickbeam top tube is how long?

Is there one for sale? can you ask the seller? On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 7:42:16 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > Anyone know c to c, actual tube length, not effective? > Could someone measure if they have one, please, if you feel like it? > No geo charts for 52 FRAME i can find. > I

[RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

I love that the Blue Lug people were like, "Yeah, we'll take the random American name, let's go with that." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

With all the skidding, I wonder how much rubber is being burned off thus inviting flats far sooner than one would like/expect. I'd think at least 1 brake would be prudent if it were me! Check out the fixie rider and the skidding he does in this video. Dude is flying ... I fear he's not long

[RBW] Sorely tempted by the Holiday Specials

Ugh. Someone stop me: I'm relly tempted by both the 62cm Joe and the 59cm Clem L. My Atlantis is outta commission (still), and while both have a lot of overlap with the Atlantis, they don't COMPLETELY overlap. Long chaintstays, a nice long toptube made for swept-back bars... HELP: People

[RBW] 52 Quickbeam top tube is how long?

Anyone know c to c, actual tube length, not effective? Could someone measure if they have one, please, if you feel like it? No geo charts for 52 FRAME i can find. I think it is my size and just want to be sure. Thanks. Also, what is the widest tire you can fit in it? -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

The right leg pants clip looks good as well as the high flange front hub, leftover from the Eisenhower era??, and the chromed fork/stays tips (not quite Rivenish, but very nice). What make/model is the bike???. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Torque

My Clem arrived today and I got it assembled. It has a one bolt stem to handlebar connection. The bars slip if I put my weight on so I’m wondering how much to tighten the bolt. It’s a sweet looking bike, Grilver with cooper tape on the bars. The front wheel is out of true which is a little

[RBW] Frank Jones, SR. data for present/future use...

...cuz I know people will ask years form now for stats and build ideas.like we all do about modelshopefully the page will still be around when questions are asked... https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/genuinely-limited-edition-frank-jones-sr -- You received

[RBW] WTB: Albatross bars

Looking for an Albatross bar for a build for my wife’s bike. Anyone got one laying around? Kevin Madison, WI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Sorely tempted by the Holiday Specials

Just think of how nicely you could soup up your Atlantis with all the saved monies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Torque

Make sure the clamp diameter matches your bar diameter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: WTT - Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm stem (26.0) new in package for 8cm

I have one that isn’t new. I can send a picture. But happy to trade. On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 7:13:41 AM UTC-8, sean wrote: > Hello Rivsters, > > > Looking to trade a new, never mounted (and still in plastic with quill > protector) 10cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem for the same stem in the

[RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

I had one for years with nary of a problem. It worked as advertised and nothing more. If I wanted single speed and the frame had vertical dropouts I would use it again. I also have used the Surly Singlulator and while it works, the aesthetics of the bike were not to my liking. -- You

[RBW] Re: Clem L question

Why is it a two speed? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse "went to go-fast 700c rando machines many years ago for a good reason"?

I read Mike's thoughts on the link. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems as if he has thrown down the gauntlet for Jan. IIRC, Jan claims that you don't give up speed with 650Bx42. He also seems to be throwing some shade (as the kids say these days) at the Kasei fork blades. Perhaps that is because

[RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

I've used both the ENO eccentric hub and the Philcentric BB. My experience has been good with both. For ss freewheeling, the cheaper option is to use a tensioner like the Soulcraft Convert: http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/convert.php But for a fixed conversion, eccentricity makes it easier than