[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

Don't be scared. I bet it is under 28lbs. without bags on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

My 2014 Atlantis (size 53) has 46cm chain stays. Best, Rich in ATL On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 8:12:37 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote: > > Tim: > > Is that the interim version with the slightly longer chainstays? > Waterford made some for Rivendell with chainstays longer than the Toyo and >

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Hi Steve. I’ve mostly written it off because I feel its aesthetic speaks to a different era than the one guiding me in this build. Also, and admittedly I have no real knowledge to base this on, I feel like a 5 bolt pattern is preferable to the 3 bolt pattern that the RH uses. -- You

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Have you considered the Sugino OX series? Or Sugino Mighty Tour? Available in silver, 110/74 BCD, many crank-arm lengths. I think they're available 11-sp compatible. OX is available at different price points depending on the level of finish. Good luck! shoji On Thursday, October 25, 2018

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Just as a reference point, Sugino XD2 double 110bcd 34/43 rings weighs 677g. That includes rings, arms, bolts. For a Rivbuild that isn't going to be vintage looking I think the Sugino stuff is great. All silver, doesn't look olde tymie and doesn't look transformer new like new cranksets ny

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

I enjoy my Rambouillet too much to weight it. On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or > frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes > weigh. > > Would be

[RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I’m really unsure about this component choice. There are only two cranksets currently in production that I’m considering. That I know of, that is. I’d love to hear of others if you know of any. 1. White Industries VBC. This is the one I’d like to choose, but their rings only come in

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Personally, I’d go vintage and choose chainrings using a gear chart. I don’t undersand the concept of “stock” chainrings but it seems people buy whole new cranks to change gearing. Of course, I friction shift and maybe that’s the difference but a big reason I prefer friction is because of the

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

Has anyone seen a spy photo or drawing of the Silver 2 concept? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

> But remember that any cassette larger than 28t usually requires an MTB > derailleur > > (or longer-cage road derailleur, aka Shimano GS or SRAM Wi-Fli) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I'm also around 165lbs and the steep hills around here keep me in shape. Almost all of my miles these days are on a pair of Rohloff bikes and a fixie, but I'm in the habit of maintaining and modifying derailer bikes for my wife and a few friends, plus I have a few beloved derailer bikes in the

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Being interested in DaVinci and White VBC would make me believe David's cranks of consideration must be for square taper BBs, so the Sugino OX would be out. I had a Mavic crank (on my MB-0) that cracked from a CNC machined edge at the point where the base of the arm formed a web as its contour

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I actually forgot all about Sugino! Thanks for the reminder. I don’t think I’d use the XD2, but will check out their road cranks later this evening. Gearing is something I’m not sure about. I’d love some advice. I have triples on other bikes and love them, but want a double for sure on the

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

Another takeaway from the Nor'Easter. The Cheviot is a REALLY versatile bike. I was left open-mouthed at the way the Cheviots performed on this ride. If I wasn't so far over my bike limit, I'd get one in a heartbeat. On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 4:28:30 PM UTC-4, A. Nostuh wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Some info about your desired gearing would probably help with suggestions. Are you thinking traditional road, like 53/39t? "Compact", as in 50/34t? Sub-compact? Personally, I like a 44/28t ring combo and farily low-Q on my road bike, which really narrows down the options. KJ On Thursday,

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

GO Cheviots! :) On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:22:38 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote: > > Another takeaway from the Nor'Easter. The Cheviot is a REALLY versatile > bike. I was left open-mouthed at the way the Cheviots performed on this > ride. If I wasn't so far over my bike limit, I'd get

Re: [RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

David- If you like triples, then you probably want a drivetrain with a wide range and some good, low gears. *Compact Double:* You can get that combination easily with a wide-range rear cassette (for example, 11-34t) and a standard "compact double" crankset (110 bcd, 50/34 rings). The 34:34 is a

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

You could do a 26/42 up front. Make sure the big ring is geared with rear cassette so you can handle 95% of your riding so you can stay in that ring. Like, use a 11-32 Shimano HG50 8-speed cassette on the rear with an SRAM PC850 chain and you are all set. Dump to the granny for anything over 8%

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

> Has anyone seen a spy photo or drawing of the Silver 2 concept? >From the BLUG some time ago, assuming it displays correctly: Daniel "I think I just bottom-posted" M Berkeley, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Well if your legs are as heavy as Jan says then you’ll have to get new cranks soon Billl! -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

There's these custom made cranks from High Sierra Cycle Center. These guys make the custom cranks for Zinn. http://www.hscycle.com/Pages/customcrankset.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

When using the full sized silver shifter, is it too long and create too much leverage? A shorter lever is best for thumbs? For some reason that surprises me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo - complete bike 57.5cm

Hello bunch, After receiving email interest and inquiries, I still have not sold the Protovelo. I'm dropping the price $100 to $1400 including shipping (in 48 states) Thank you Jason On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 6:41:12 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > That there is one cute bike.

[RBW] Re: Stronglight Fenders

Hi Cody No, I haven't pulled the trigger yet on the Stronglight fenders,. You first! Jason On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:34:56 PM UTC-4, Cody Bartz wrote: > > Jandrews did you ever end up purchasing the Stronglight fenders? I am > really leaning on getting them for my Atlantis. If so, what

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

I've got a hot torch in Brooklyn! Cantis all around... Not that owning a torch qualifies me to be adding canti posts, but what I lack in experience, I lack in experience! If my Rosco didn't already have them, it would soon, and I'd have experience. -Kai BKNY On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

That indeed would be the theoretical reason; not age. Good point. Next question: is there any useful and accurate *practical* guidance -- rules of thumb -- for retiring aluminum cranks, seatposts, bars, stems, and so forth? Bills' reply reminds me of Grant's long-ago and wonderful metaphor:

[RBW] Re: One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

Thanks for the response Bill and the extra info about the commute. Again, inspiring stuff. My question regarding choosing only one bike was meant to pertain to the bikes in your current fleet, but I feel you answered that question within your answer. Keep the ride reports coming! IanA --

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

I mean, my Paul center pulls work SO well, but...it would be super fun to go canti...listen: I have a spare Cheviot fork - it's a LITTLE bent, barely noticeable but it knocked my brake pads into the rubber of my tire (popped the tire) so it's functional but not with center pulls. Should we do

[RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

Congrats Ed! Pics? Lace is the only nitpick I had with my shoes. Replaced them the second day. On Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:51:40 UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote: > > Adding another data point: I got mine today (10/24) after ordering on > 7/31, which gives credence to the 10-12

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

This is all so much to think about thank you everyone. I'm particularly appreciative of the run down on gearing. You're right, this is something the could determine crank choice, and so is something I should think about a little more deeply before pulling the trigger. I really wish I

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I advise you rethink this. The Compass Rene Herse is the best crankset for your build, in my opinion. Another important distinction you did not make in this thread, but you did make elsewhere is that this build will be 11-speed Shimano and your Front Shifting will be STI. That totally

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

I can't see the picture either, and I'm getting tired of signing out and in again, but what struck me from what I've seen in the past is that the shifter mount might allow for some rotation. This would be a great ergonomic leap for bikekind. The Sturmey-Archer mounts do it to an extent, but

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I carry spare crank arms in my jersey pockets* . Bill "thunder-thighs" Lindsay El Cerrito, CA *I do not actually carry spare crank arms in my jersey pockets, or anywhere else for that matter On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 2:26:26 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > Well if your legs are

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I'll share my thoughts on the White Industries VBC, of which I have two pairs. The pros: Pretty, not crazy expensive, seems strong and stiff enough for mortals like me (i.e., doesn't rub the front D cage when hoofing it), MUSA (if important). The cons: uses proprietary lockring and chainrings,

Re: [RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

One option, should you (David) set your eye on a pretty 130 bcd crank: you can always customize your cassette to get the gearing you want. When I owned my Ram, I first set it up with a 44/30 (old aluminum crank!!) and something like a 14-23 7 speed; then I fell in love with and had a brief but

[RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Damn, that's a proper looking Atlantis. Luckily, it's too small for me! Eamon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Why have you ruled out the Rene Herse crank? On 10/25/18 8:23 AM, David Wadstrup wrote: I’m really unsure about this component choice. There are only two cranksets currently in production that I’m considering. That I know of, that is. I’d love to hear of others if you know of any. 1.

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Rene Herse - reported flex complaints and price keep me away. I guess think about what gearing you want. Start from there. You want 53-39 race gearing? (alot available) 40/26 wide /low? (get Sugino or Silver wide low cranksets) Double or Triple? I personally would not buy vintage as I would fear

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

Doug, thanks for that heads up. I'm definitely interested. Original Silver shifters don't quite do it for me as thumbies. Love 'em as bar ends and down tubers. Best, Rich in ATL On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:20:15 AM UTC-4, dougP wrote: > > Grant posted a brief update that the Silver 2

[RBW] Re: One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

Ian asked about how challenging my commute is. It's 18.5 miles each way. Towards work has about 500 feet of climbing and towards home has about 1000 feet of climbing. The afternoon winds kick up somewhat and I have to punch through that on the way home. i treat the ride into work as a

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

Thanks. I get a "Not Found" error. Does it work for anyone else? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

After 1,000 miles does the given bike feel like home and the next one wierd until you adjust? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

Yep. Sign out of Google and back in, it's a problem lately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Somebody claimed to have read somewhere that aluminum weakens over time. Patrick Moore asked for more details, and sounds skeptical. I took my materials science classes a fairly long time ago, but you are right to be skeptical, Patrick Moore. Aluminum most certainly does NOT change material

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

David, I use the Rivendell Silver cranks which have a high end of 44 and low of 26. I never really need too low. I think a 44/30 would be good. I use a 11-32 cassette. If I were you, I'd check out the Carmina cranks. They look very good, silver, and have a wide range of chainring options. On

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

Daniel, Now, if someone would just make a quality, indexed 8 speed thumbie, we'd be in business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

Here are two links: ETSY store for a nice individual who makes pretty liftatubes by hand and sells them

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

I don't know about you Anton, but I'm really considering adding some canti posts to my Chevvy for more clearance. That would be my ideal Carriage Bike™ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Alternatives to lift-a-tube

Bill's post about his Roscoe commuter and praise of the bike's lift-a-tube for that type of build got me thinking about alternatives. My commute is ~11 miles each way with a *big* climb at the end (roughly 6,000 ft*), and I have 3 different routes to get up the hill; two on main roads, and one

[RBW] Re: One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

The artist formerly known as Michael and currently known as Lum Gim Fong asked: "After 1,000 miles does the given bike feel like home and the next one wierd until you adjust?" Nope. My stable is dialed. Each bike has its role and all are dialed for me. Every one of them is grab and go. I'm

[RBW] Re: Alternatives to lift-a-tube

Woof, shoulda used the search function. Thanks Bill. On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Here are two links: > > ETSY store for a nice individual who makes pretty liftatubes by hand and > sells them >

[RBW] One-thousand mile ride report on my Rosco Bubbe Road

Bill, Once again a deeply inspiring and interesting post. The Rosco looks great dressed like that. Out of curiousity, how challenging is the commute in terms of climbing, winds etc.? And if you had to choose only one bike as your commuter, which bike would it be? IanA Alberta Canada where

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

"Also, I read some somewhere(maybe a Riv Reader) that metals, and aluminum in particular, weaken significantly with age." I'd like to see the article and review the evidence. I myself have heard nothing said about age as such making metals generally, or aluminum in particular, less strong.

[RBW] WANTED TO BUY SR Apex Crankset

WANTED TO BUY SR Apex Touring Crankset - 86BCD 170 arm length also wanted SR Apex Left crank arm 170 arm length WITH OR WITHOUT CHAINRINGS Charlie Petry JENNERSVILLE PA contact off list : charliepedal (at) verizon (dot) net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

My 61cm Bleriot kitted out with Hetres, mudguards, B17 saddle, Nitto rack, Carradice Camper longflap, frame pump, and two full 750ml waterbottles weighs 17kg (37.5lbs). It would have weighed rather more in this photo as I had the Carradice filled with enough gear for a short tour in the

[RBW] Alternatives to lift-a-tube

These are very nicely made by a nice little company in Oregon. https://walnutstudiolo.com/collections/bicycle-accessories/products/bicycle-frame-handle-the-little-lifter They also have a portage strap but I haven’t used it.

[RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Tim, a friend may be interested. What’s the standover with those tires? - Max “danger, Will Robinson, danger” in A2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

Very nice build. So did you get a motorcycle as well? > On Oct 25, 2018, at 8:28 PM, Daniel D. wrote: > > When I was waiting on the initial Roadini pre-order, got interested in > motorcycles. Roadini frame came, had all the parts and my interests were > elsewhere for the past ~year. But

[RBW] Re: Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I still have an XC-Pro 7 speed right (rear) thumb shifter, NOS, that has that ghost 8th position and will operate Shimano 8 speed. Not a set, but dreams can come true. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 2:47:08 PM UTC-4, Ginz wrote: > > Daniel, > > Now, if someone would

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced the Noodle

Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

Yup about a year ago. Loving it... On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:46:44 PM UTC-7, David Hays wrote: > > Very nice build. > So did you get a motorcycle as well? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

I’m 5’ 10” also. Tim On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM dougP wrote: > Max: > > Have your friend do the PBH measurement & check it out on the fit chart. > I'm 5'10" with a PBH of 85 & ride a 58 cm. > > dougP, > (encouraging Atlantis riders since 2011) > > On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:17:40

[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

I think Rivendell posted something about rotation. These are quite similar to an old Suntour MTB shifter but updated. I have some old Suntours, not as elegant looking as this, that can be rotated to several positions. It's quite useful. I can see that with the variety of handlebars that

Re: [RBW] Ride Bikes, Shoot Film

“I’m looking to scratch a pair of itches on this trip: Do more creative work with my hands. Make photographs that have a distinct, old look and feel to them.” Yes, I really agree with this thought of his in the article. What A wonderful way to slow down. I celebrated you sharing this article by

Re: [RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Thanks, Tim. My friend - he’s about 5’10”, short legs long torso type (I’m probably the opposite), so 32” SO might be cutting it close... - Max “doc, this is for a friend” in A2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

Here is a picture. I have taken the rear rack off and am now running 35mm Compass EL tires vs. the 38mm in the pcture On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 12:55:24 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote: > > My 61cm

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] WTB: Clem Smith L 52 Grilver

Let me know if you have one to sell. Thanks. Doug in Athens, GA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Also 5’10, ride a 56 and could go 58 pretty easily. I wouldnt worry about that stand over at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Tim: That looks right. My '03 58 cm. 700c wheels, is listed at 45.5 cm, & that's what it measures. The old 56 cm, 26" wheels, is listed at 44, so yours appears to be an interim design. I'm guessing they were playing around with extending chainstays but didn't want to make a big deal out of

Re: [RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

Wow, that is usefulness defined! My son is gunning for a sunfish, which can be hauled by a cute little trailer. How I wish I didn’t have highways to traverse to get to the lake nearby! Thanks, Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

Max: Have your friend do the PBH measurement & check it out on the fit chart. I'm 5'10" with a PBH of 85 & ride a 58 cm. dougP, (encouraging Atlantis riders since 2011) On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 6:17:40 PM UTC-7, Max S wrote: > > Thanks, Tim. My friend - he’s about 5’10”, short legs

[RBW] FS: 54cm Rambouillet - $1,300

Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fJcLeXudQ5gKt4Ad9 $1,300 plus shipping. I’ll have a shop in town pack it and set up delivery via bike flights. Should be about $150ish for CONUS. Size/ ST: 54cm TT: 55cm Crank: Ultegra 6503 triple, 172.5, 52-42-30 FD: Ultegra 6503 RD: Deore M591 9sp rd 11-32 9sp

Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

Nice Roadini, I love mine. We need to see the motorcycle! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

Absolutely! I'll track down some posts. And once that's done... ..it's on to the Roadini! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

I know that people do break cranks but I have never ever understood how? It just seems like there lots of other things that should fail before the crank would assuming everything is operating at all less than totally frozen. In any case, I’m pretty darn sure that I don’t have the strenght to

Re: [RBW] Help me build my Roadeo, Part 2, CRANKSET

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 4:00:19 PM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > Sounds like the WI VBC might be the way to go should I find myself able to > deal with the black rings. > Black chainrings aren't all bad. They mask the chain grease and make filthy drivetrains look presentable. :)