date:20091219

Yes, she did.  The most recent minus one issue of Bicycle Quarterly
has a very extensive interview with her.  That topic is discussed.

Like the concept, never did it.  Then again, just built up a touring
bike with flat bars.  So what do I know?

Eric Platt
(who only has one bike with drops - Sam Hillborne)
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 19, 6:23�am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow, �definitely interesting. � � I have to say, these discussions are
 kind of amusing- � it seems no matter how personal an activity is, or
 how arbitrary, sometimes recreational, or even artistic an activity
 is, there are some people who will develop strict ideas about the
 'proper' way to do it.

 P.S. �as far as i know, Jaquie Phelan rode drop bars for her entire
 MTB racing career(?)

 On Dec 19, 1:44 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I stumbled across this article and found it very interesting. I figure
  people here might enjoy it, especially those looking to set up a
  Bombadil with drop bars

 http://mtbtires.com/site2/features/37-bikes/85-why-i-ride-dropbars

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[RBW] Re: Correct Bombadil size...

Another one who is totally jealous of your bike and build. That deep
green is beautiful. For some reason, my now favorite color on a
Bombadil is green.

As to sizing, when getting my Atlantis, decided to go small. Probably
too small. Grant would never have let me do it. Wanted enough
standover with Big Apple tires. With the possibility of putting on
knobbies and going off road. With Albatross bars, it's a veryfine
bike. Although there are times I wonder what would have happened if
had gone one (or even two) sizes larger.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 19, 7:02�am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I want one too!

Angus

On Dec 18, 11:51�pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

Well heck, now I want one!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
So I went to Rivendell today around noon and I have to say they were all
in
awe of the finished bike. They loved how I built it, how the polished Paul
Neo-Retro and Canti look on the dark green frame, and were full of
compliments. In fact, John said he now wanted to place an order for a dark
green one himself! :-D

He took out the camera and took pictures of my bike. Maybe we'll see it in
the Bombadil page on the website!

As for the size, after discussing the situation, Grant came and checked
out
the fit and said it was the right size. Keven took me out to test ride the
56 frame, and I had to agree that while there was quite a lot of
clearance,
the frame felt too tight horizontally. I could certainly ride it and
probably get used to it, but getting back on the 60 felt much nicer
immediately.

That pretty much settled it for me and I left very happy after purchasing
a
set of the new grey Sackville Saddlesack medium and Trunksack small for my
commutes to replace the pannier I use.

The advantages of keeping the 60 are several:
- Love how it fits when riding it.
- Can swap wheels with the Homer.

Time will tell if I made the right decision, but I do feel very
comfortable
knowing that I addressed my concern directly with Grant, Keven and Mark,
and
that after testing the 56 frame, I immediately confirmed their assessment.

I do appreciate everybody's great input on this topic. You can check the
photos of the finished Bombadil athttp://tinyurl.com/yhtnwln

Ren�

PS.- Today was Mark's birthday and they were all celebrating it with a
nice
BBQ and sweet goodies! It was all very cool, even if Mark was the one
taking
care of the BBQ...!!!

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[RBW] Re: Our Green Sam Hillborne Shop Bike

2009-12-19 Thread Forrest

Very sharp-looking! I just got a green one in the same size, and I am
very impressed with the quality -- and the looks! Setting mine up as a
commuter, trail/gravel, or touring bike, with Nitto large rear rack
and Schwalbe XR 700x40 tires (which fit nicely with room to spare.)
-- Forrest

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renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sorry that I promised to post photos of our Sam Hillborne shop demo
 bike ... and then I let it get relegated to the back burner.

 The pictures, which were taken about a month ago, are now 
 online:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/rb-gallery-1/

 We built this bike with a little more rando attitude than our
 typical customer requests, but no one has complained yet.  In fact,
 since a lot of people are used to STI shifters, that choice worked in
 our favor.  It usually sports a VO handlebar bag as well.

 Just let me know if you'd like to swing by and take this bike for a
 ride, or if you are desperate for a Green 56cm Hillborne.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

Yeah, weird how people argue about this stuff. I tend to obsess on my own
handlebars a bit, but really don't put too much effort into worrying about
what other people ride! Sure, I'll give my opinion (just ask!) but gee,
there are only so many hours in the day, you know...

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Wow, definitely interesting. I have to say, these discussions are
kind of amusing- it seems no matter how personal an activity is, or
how arbitrary, sometimes recreational, or even artistic an activity
is, there are some people who will develop strict ideas about the
'proper' way to do it.

P.S. as far as i know, Jaquie Phelan rode drop bars for her entire
MTB racing career(?)

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I stumbled across this article and found it very interesting. I figure
people here might enjoy it, especially those looking to set up a
Bombadil with drop bars

http://mtbtires.com/site2/features/37-bikes/85-why-i-ride-dropbars

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[RBW] Re: is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double steel allez?

2009-12-19 Thread bfd



On Dec 18, 9:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

Isn't the Allez a sort of nostalgia, budget copy of the RB 1?

The current version may be. Then again, its probably based on the
*old* Allez that came out in the 80s. Those were lugged steel and some
supposedly were made by 3 Rensho:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/Randy+Dugan/allez/IMG_2282.JPG.html

more photos:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/Randy+Dugan/allez/

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars

2009-12-19 Thread CycloFiend

on 12/18/09 8:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

 rb: There was a discussion herein maybe a year ago about a guy who
 experienced some handling issues (shimmy?) with his Atlantis when
 front-loaded and riding at high-speed no-handed, and I seem to recall
 that he either re-raked the fork, got a new fork, or both, to achieve
 low trail, and he reported that the handling was more to his liking as
 a result. Later he got a custom bike built that was apparently the
 answer to all his front-loading/no-handed goals, but, curiously, the
 custom bike had fairly high fork trail...

Expect you are referring to this -
http://readytoride.biz/?p=333

- J

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[RBW] Re: Correct Bombadil size...

2009-12-19 Thread Mike

Rene, I just now looked at the pictures of your bike and it looks
beautiful. Proportionally it looks right. Sure, I can see how riding
a bike with a little less SO height could be concerning but unless
you're riding super technical trails I think you'll be fine. That
green color on your bike is perfect.

I know next year I'll be adding a bike to the stable, and maybe
letting go of one. I was initially thinking an LHT, then figure why
not go for it and get a Sam Hillborne especially since they'll be
stiffer and apparently have wider clearances. I also want to see what
the Atlantis replacement looks like although it'll probably be more
than I want to spend on the frame. And then... uggh... I noticed that
you can pick up a Salsa Fargo frame for $475... man, that with some of
their new Woodchipper bars... a tour worthy, dropped bar, mountain
bike... h... Furthermore... you can pick up complete Salsa Fargos
for like $1550 which isn't bad at all.

What I need to do is step away from the computer and head out for a
ride in spite of the rain...

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Correct Bombadil size...

2009-12-19 Thread CycloFiend

on 12/18/09 9:45 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 PS.- Today was Mark's birthday and they were all celebrating it with a nice
 BBQ and sweet goodies! It was all very cool, even if Mark was the one taking
 care of the BBQ...!!!

Among his other talents, Mark is the master of the grill -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/507867687/


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Re: [RBW] Re: is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double steel allez?

More of a nostalgic budget copy of this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/402957909/

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

The Allez looks fine to me as a low end road bike, though I wonder -- am
not complaining -- about the short chainstays. Isn't the Allez a sort of
nostalgia, budget copy of the RB 1? Sure, Rivendell could do better, but
you'd not be paying $810 for a complete bike, either.

Patrick most interesting bike in Riv lineup is the Rodeo -- tho' the
Bombadil would interest me if it took *fat* tires Moore

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the reach is too long!

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From: eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net
Subject: [RBW] Re: is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double
steel allez?

To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 6:50 PM

i love lugs, and am a fan of riv...and wouldn't be interesting to see
Specialized do this bike with well thought out geo and parts?

On Dec 18, 5:53 pm, James Warren
jimcwar...@earthlink.nethttp://mc/compose?to=jimcwar...@earthlink.net
wrote:
They screwed up the gearing and the shifter style.

For not much more dough, this bike could have come with much more useful
gearing and shifters on the handlebar (bar ends), and it would have probably
appealled better to the people who'd likely stop to notice it. It's a really
nice frame, and I think they messed up the complete bike.

To keep this on-topic, I think this underscores the thought they put
into things at Rivendell.

-Jim W.

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Subject: [RBW] is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double
steel allez?

in an lbs window today. not my geo, not my parts, but what a nicely
really nicely tigged shiny red frameset. downtube shifters, etc. did
i shiny bright red and almost no bumps in those joints

http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=45678eid=4350

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[RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

2009-12-19 Thread Andy.M

Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
see you there!
-Andy

On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
 Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13.  Meet at the Starbucks at
 the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
 Mall, a bit east of there).  Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
 coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

 Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
 site:

 http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...

 Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
 Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
 daylight, energy and available resources.  Very few useless (i.e.,
 flat  boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

 Riv content:  2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending.  No
 RSVP; show'n'go.

 dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

Andy,

What would you say is the good tire choice for this ride?

Jack Brown 700x33
Pasela 700x37
or
something knobbier?

Thanks,
Jim




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Subject: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
see you there!
-Andy

On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
 Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13.  Meet at the Starbucks at
 the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
 Mall, a bit east of there).  Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
 coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

 Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
 site:

 http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...

 Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
 Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
 daylight, energy and available resources.  Very few useless (i.e.,
 flat  boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

 Riv content:  2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending.  No
 RSVP; show'n'go.

 dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

I think Andy is at work today...

I had the same question earlier with the choice between wide Paselas and
knobbies. He said the Paselas would be fine.

Judging by the pix he
tookhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/wwqandy/sets/72157622922980908/,
I'm betting that extra 10% width from your Paselas will be appreciated by
the end of the day.

Weather is projected to by sunny and in the 70's by noon.

If you plans allow it, hope to see some folks out there tomorrow!

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:

Andy,

What would you say is the good tire choice for this ride?

Jack Brown 700x33
Pasela 700x37
or
something knobbier?

Thanks,
Jim

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Sent: Dec 19, 2009 12:01 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
see you there!
-Andy

On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13. Meet at the Starbucks at
the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
Mall, a bit east of there). Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
site:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc.
..

Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
daylight, energy and available resources. Very few useless (i.e.,
flat boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

Riv content: 2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending. No
RSVP; show'n'go.

dougP

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[RBW] Headed out and rode.

2009-12-19 Thread Bruce

My thoughts exactly. armed with a new vocabulary, despite the brisk temps (40s) 
which bite with a 10 - 15 mph headwind. After 4 days of rain, I was jonesing to 
go. 

First though,  using some new found vocabulary, I emlittlened my Rambouillet by 
putting on 28mm ultra gatorskins in place of the 37mm Paselas, and replacing 
the Sugino XD triple with a Sugino GX double. Voila! Ramodeo! You know, what 
really gives the bike a whole 'nother feel is the close set pedal spacing 
(small Q factor) of the GX. And of course a 53 ring will wind up and go faster 
than a 48 can. While it FELT way faster than the old set up, in reality, I was 
maybe 1.5 mph over when the average would have been the other way. I'm NOT used 
to hills on a 39 ring just yet. Sometimes, a change up is just fun. The other 
wheelset is really a CX, so my riding buddy and I are talking about trying some 
cyclocross. Will that make my bike a Ramolas? Could be!!


Tailwinds!



From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com  (was the Rene's green Bombadil is gorgeous, 
but is it too big? thread)

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ride in spite of the rain...


  

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[RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread b hamon

Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
bikes?
Beth

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http://veloquent.blogspot.com


  

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Re: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread Ray Shine

I used to have Jitensha uprights on my Atlantis with Paul thumbies and levers.  
I didn't really like it that much, and switched to Noodles and DT shifters.  My 
hands suffered after about 20+ on the uprights.

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From: b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com
Subject: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?
To: Riv Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 9:54 AM

Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
bikes?
Beth

http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread Mark



I ONLY have upright albotross bars and thats all I will ever have.
Noodles are for noodles.who needs to race at my age.its
uncomfortable and market driven dribble!

sURf

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Re: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread J. Douglas Way

Hi Beth-

All of my wife Debbie's bikes have upright bars.  She's ridden a couple 
of 70 mile days on pavement and at least one 60 mile day on dirt trails 
with albatross bars on her Heron Touring.

Her new (coming) Roadeo will have albatross bars too.  Will post pics 
when it arrives early in 2010.

Doug Way
Boulder, CO

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 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) 
 with upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright 
 bars on their bikes?
 Beth

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 http://veloquent.blogspot.com


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[RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

2009-12-19 Thread Mark


The poor bloke has lost his mind! Whats all the spandex for out in the
woods? How about those knees going over boulders. Reminds me of
Harleys going down the road in flip-flops.
When he eventually grows up, he will look back and laugh, regretting
he ever wrote such babble.

As alwaysIMHO!

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread doug peterson

Personally I can't handle more than a couple of hours with upright
bars before the lack of hand positions causes things to stiffen up.  I
tried Moustache bars for a while but didn't care for the wrist twist.
So back to drops.  OTH, my wife dis-likes drops and does up to 50
miles on flat bars on her road bike and is perfectly comfortable.
Among my touring buds (mostly crusty old geezers set in their ways) we
have a guy who recently changed to flats on his Trek 520 and still
uses the stock bars on his converted MTB which he uses for much of his
touring.  A couple of guys like the trekking bars for the multiple
hand positions coupled with being able to sit upright.  If you look
around camp at cycle touring bikes, my rough guess is 2/3 drop bars
and 1/3 other.  It's really a personal comfort and bike control
issue with no clear cut answer.

dougP

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 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?
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Re: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?



I have upright-style bars on Atlantis right now (flat bar with rise and Ergon grips), a 64 cm bike whichmeans these bars are pretty far up above the seat.

I don't think I can do it for any long distance. Shoulders and neck start hurting. Shoulders and neck hurt anyway, but this set-up aggravates it once mileage gets long. I'm going to switch to something else.

-Jim W.
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[RBW] Re: is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double steel allez?

2009-12-19 Thread doug peterson

For no more dough they could have used a compact double.  Notice the
specs list 8 speed - thought those were obsolete (I'm quite happy
with mine).  Maybe a nice 13-30 cassette?
Why don't those product planners consult with us?  We work cheap!

dougP

On Dec 18, 5:53 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 They screwed up the gearing and the shifter style.

 For not much more dough, this bike could have come with much more useful 
 gearing and shifters on the handlebar (bar ends), and it would have probably 
 appealled better to the people who'd likely stop to notice it. It's a really 
 nice frame, and I think they messed up the complete bike.

 To keep this on-topic, I think this underscores the thought they put into 
 things at Rivendell.

 -Jim W.



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 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double steel  
 allez?

 in an lbs window today.  not my geo, not my parts, but what a nicely
 really nicely tigged shiny red frameset. downtube shifters, etc.  did
 i shiny bright red and almost no bumps in those joints

 http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=45678eid=4350

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Re: [RBW] Headed out and rode.



Yes, Bruce the Ram is awesome, and I see the Roadeo as finally being the bike to come along and take its place, but ifone already has a Ram,he/she might be all set. That red 63 cm Roadeo at Rivendell was tempting me a bit, but I am100% over it once I realized that in this size, my Ram and that Roadeo frame are only negligiby different in weight. If I want a Rodeo-style clubster in this size, I can do it; it's just a matter of hanging different parts on the Ram. If I were to get that Roadeo frame, I'd probably put a Sugino triple crank, an 11-34 in the rear and Jack Brown tires - uh, it's close to the bike I already have, but withthese differences:

-the stem would be threadless
-a 43.5 cm chainstay instead of a 44.5 cm
-BB would be 4 mm higher
-43.5 mm fork rake instead of 42.5 mm
-One fewermount for water bottles!

But I'm glad that Rivendell complemented its line-up by re-introducing a road bike similar to the Rambouillet but giving it some slightly racier tendencies. Is it fair to say that the sprectrum used to be Ram-Saluki-Atlantis, but now it has widened a bit to Roadeo-AHH-Bombadil with the center point being pretty much the same?Happy Road Riding,
Jim W.

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My thoughts exactly. armed with a new vocabulary, despite the brisk temps (40s) which bite with a 10 - 15 mph headwind. After 4 days of rain, I was jonesing to go. First though, using some new found vocabulary, I emlittlened my Rambouillet by putting on 28mm ultra gatorskins in place of the 37mm Paselas, and replacing the Sugino XD triple with a Sugino GX double. Voila! Ramodeo! You know, what really gives the bike a whole 'nother feel is the close set pedal spacing (small Q factor) of the GX. And of course a 53 ring will wind up and go faster than a 48 can. While it FELT way faster than the old set up, in reality, I was maybe 1.5 mph over when the average would have been the other way. I'm NOT used to hills on a 39 ring just yet. Sometimes, a change up is just fun. The other wheelset is really a CX, so my riding buddy and I are talking about trying some cyclocross. Will that make my bike a Ramolas? Could be!!
Tailwinds!


From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com (was the Rene's green Bombadil is gorgeous, but is it too big? thread)What I need to do is step away from the computer and head out for aride in spite of the rain...

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Re: [RBW] Headed out and rode.

2009-12-19 Thread Bruce

I think you've said it well here.

I also have a Saluki and use different wheelsets/tires for a wider range of 
purpose too. I can't quite make it into an Atlantis, but with sturdy wheels and 
40 mm tires it can go lots of places. I took it on tour this year with about 40 
lbs of gear (5 front, 35 rear) With lighter wheels and 32 mm pumped up tires, 
and no luggage, it's reasonably quick. So, there is overlap based on equipment 
with each bike, but each bike has a range that the others do not extend all the 
way to. The current line up seems wider as you say, and has some excellent 
offerings, but those of us with passe model names need not fret. Our bikes will 
keep up with the new models just fine.  





From: James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net

 Is it fair to say that the sprectrum used to be Ram-Saluki-Atlantis, but now 
it has widened a bit to Roadeo-AHH-Bombadil with the center point being pretty 
much the same?


  

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread Esteban

I had Albatross bars on my Protovelo when I first got it.I loved
them.  The more I rode the bike with other people, and the longer
distances I rode, the more dissatisfied I became. In other words, when
I began to use the bike for different purposes (riding harder for
longer), the Albatross bars weren't helping me do what I wanted -
Noodles are very comfortable.  The other thing I found is that the
A'bars were working my quads more than other leg muscles.

I have Albatross bars now on my Kogswell errand bike, and like 'em a
lot.

So, I think they are good for distances, but I didn't like 'em for
more spirited riding.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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 I have upright-style bars on Atlantis right now (flat bar with rise and Ergon 
 grips), a 64 cm bike which means these bars are pretty far up above the seat.



  



 I don't think I can do it for any long distance. Shoulders and neck start 
 hurting. Shoulders and neck hurt anyway, but this set-up aggravates it once 
 mileage gets long. I'm going to switch to something else.



  



 -Jim W.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Dec 19, 2009 9:54 AM
 To: Riv Bunch
 Subject: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?Just curious how 
 many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with upright handlebars? 
 And among these, how many have only upright bars on their bikes?
 Beth
 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
 http://veloquent.blogspot.com





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[RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

2009-12-19 Thread Esteban

I just need to be back in San Diego by 4 so I may have to cut out
early, depending on when we get back.

Now I just need to think about equipment: Protovelo with Hetres,
sans fenders, or Romulus with JBs...

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

PS- My Berthouds came today... but I was gone and my wife was in the
middle of something and didn't want to answer the door.  Just got the
email from Fed-Ex:  see you next business day Berthouds!

On Dec 19, 9:32 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think Andy is at work today...

 I had the same question earlier with the choice between wide Paselas and
 knobbies.  He said the Paselas would be fine.

 Judging by the pix he
 tookhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/wwqandy/sets/72157622922980908/,
 I'm betting that extra 10% width from your Paselas will be appreciated by
 the end of the day.

 Weather is projected to by sunny and in the 70's by noon.

 If you plans allow it, hope to see some folks out there tomorrow!

 DE

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  Andy,

  What would you say is the good tire choice for this ride?

  Jack Brown 700x33
  Pasela     700x37
  or
  something knobbier?

  Thanks,
  Jim

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  From: Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com
  Sent: Dec 19, 2009 12:01 PM
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

  Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
  see you there!
  -Andy

  On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
   This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
   Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13.  Meet at the Starbucks at
   the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
   Mall, a bit east of there).  Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
   coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

   Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
   site:

  http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc.
  ..

   Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
   Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
   daylight, energy and available resources.  Very few useless (i.e.,
   flat  boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

   Riv content:  2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending.  No
   RSVP; show'n'go.

   dougP

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[RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

2009-12-19 Thread Andy.M

Hey Jim,
I would go with the Paselas.  Its pretty good terrain, but pre-rain
there were a few soft patches.
And yes, I was working :(  but I'm home now and headed out the door
for a ride :)
-Andy

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 Andy,

 What would you say is the good tire choice for this ride?

 Jack Brown 700x33
 Pasela     700x37
 or
 something knobbier?

 Thanks,
 Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com
 Sent: Dec 19, 2009 12:01 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

 Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
 see you there!
 -Andy

 On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
  Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13.  Meet at the Starbucks at
  the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
  Mall, a bit east of there).  Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
  coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

  Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
  site:

 http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...

  Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
  Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
  daylight, energy and available resources.  Very few useless (i.e.,
  flat  boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

  Riv content:  2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending.  No
  RSVP; show'n'go.

  dougP

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[RBW] Roadeo specials

2009-12-19 Thread Aaron Thomas

For tall riders, there is a Roadeo with a quite attractive gray and
blue paint job in the frame specials section:

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/roadeo-specials/40-010

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

Albatross on my Atlantis.  Have done 60 miles on them without a major
problem.  As others mention, the lack of many hand positions can be
the limiting factor.  Mine are taped in front of the levers so there
are two positions available.

And my Brompton has upright bars.  Did a 40+ mile ride on that bike
this summer.  In San Diego.  Am sure jealous of that weather right
nowg.

Last week, built up a Surly Long Haul Trucker and had flat bars
installed.  Rode it for 25 miles today without a problem.  Well,
except for the cold weather (22F when heading out with about a 10 mph
headwind).  The bars are 2 or more inches above the saddle height.

Am not a fast rider by any means.  Don't mind being less aerodynamic.
Enjoy looking at the scenery more.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?
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 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

 http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

2009-12-19 Thread Justin August

Similar to handlebars, it shocks me how much cyclists judge each other
based on the clothes they wear! The funniest thing to me has always
been Do you need special clothes to ride a bicycle? No, as long as
you wear X, Y and Z. Substitute wool and sandals or spandex and clips
in there and you get the same answer. Live and let live folks.

On Dec 19, 1:19 pm, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote:
 The poor bloke has lost his mind! Whats all the spandex for out in the
 woods? How about those knees going over boulders. Reminds me of
 Harleys going down the road in flip-flops.
 When he eventually grows up, he will look back and laugh, regretting
 he ever wrote such babble.

 As alwaysIMHO!

 SurF

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Re: [RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

Another answer from me: I don't know if this counts as upright but...

It was moustache bars at seat level on an XO-1 that for me has a very short top 
tube.
I did well on a full day of riding, probably about 65 miles, no neck or 
shoulder problems. I did take advantage of moving hands around and did use 
dummy levers near the stem. I never rested my hands fully on the dummy levers. 
At times, the heal of my hand was on the dummy lever near the stem while the 
rest of my hand was forward on the bar. In general, it was a very good set-up.

-Jim W.


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Sent: Dec 19, 2009 4:39 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

Albatross on my Atlantis.  Have done 60 miles on them without a major
problem.  As others mention, the lack of many hand positions can be
the limiting factor.  Mine are taped in front of the levers so there
are two positions available.

And my Brompton has upright bars.  Did a 40+ mile ride on that bike
this summer.  In San Diego.  Am sure jealous of that weather right
nowg.

Last week, built up a Surly Long Haul Trucker and had flat bars
installed.  Rode it for 25 miles today without a problem.  Well,
except for the cold weather (22F when heading out with about a 10 mph
headwind).  The bars are 2 or more inches above the saddle height.

Am not a fast rider by any means.  Don't mind being less aerodynamic.
Enjoy looking at the scenery more.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 19, 11:54�am, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on 
 their bikes?
 Beth

 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

 http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo specials

2009-12-19 Thread Mike

Did anyone notice the salmon and blue one? Wow! Very very nice
looking. I'm excited to see what Rivendell introduces in 2010.


On Dec 19, 1:38 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
 For tall riders, there is a Roadeo with a quite attractive gray and
 blue paint job in the frame specials section:

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/roadeo-specials/40-010

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Re: [RBW] Re: is it ok to mention i saw a specialized tigged double steel allez?

2009-12-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 More of a nostalgic budget copy of this:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/402957909/

 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:18 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 The Allez looks fine to me as a low end road bike, though I wonder -- am
 not complaining -- about the short chainstays. Isn't the Allez a sort of
 nostalgia, budget copy of the RB 1? Sure, Rivendell could do better, but
 you'd not be paying $810 for a complete bike, either.

 Patrick most interesting bike in Riv lineup is the Rodeo -- tho' the
 Bombadil would interest me if it took *fat* tires Moore


 That is pretty, and *just* my size, *and* I think 28 (true) mm tires are
fat for pavement.

But the chainstays aren't long enough for fenders, malheureusement.

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[RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

2009-12-19 Thread Mike

You know what's really crazy? I'll tell ya. There are some people who
go out for rides one day wearing wool and regular shoes and no special
biking gear and then just a day later may wear lycranaut gear. Isn't
that crazy? It's like saying things aren't black and white, as if
there were areas of gray. Crazy.


On Dec 19, 10:19 am, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote:
 The poor bloke has lost his mind! Whats all the spandex for out in the
 woods? How about those knees going over boulders. Reminds me of
 Harleys going down the road in flip-flops.
 When he eventually grows up, he will look back and laugh, regretting
 he ever wrote such babble.

 As alwaysIMHO!

 SurF

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo specials

2009-12-19 Thread JoelMatthews

Wonder what the story behind the 61 with DT shifter braze ons.  In an
e-mail, Mark told me Riv was not going to make the Roadeo with DT
shifters.  In a thread here last Summer Grant said while he did not
recommend DT braze ons, they would be available by special order.
Perhaps an experiment or someone had to cancel.

On Dec 19, 3:58 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did anyone notice the salmon and blue one? Wow! Very very nice
 looking. I'm excited to see what Rivendell introduces in 2010.

 On Dec 19, 1:38 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:



  For tall riders, there is a Roadeo with a quite attractive gray and
  blue paint job in the frame specials section:

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/roadeo-specials/40-010

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread mitchelr

In our household we have: my bikes, one Atlantis, one Norvarra
Randonne, one Bike Friday Pocket Llama, one Dahon Flo (the Ritchey
break-apart type travel MTB set up for touring), and my wife's bikes,
one Trek 520, one Bike Friday Expedition, on Surley LHT and one
Specialized MTB.  ALL these bikes have Albatross bars and nothing
else.  They are used for trips from less than a mile errand running to
60+ miles per days fully loaded touring on 700+ mile tours.  Half are
alloy, half are steel.

Rich Mitchell
Corvallis, Oregon

On Dec 19, 9:54 am, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?
 Beth

 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

 http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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Re: [RBW] A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread james black

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 09:54, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?

I have Nitto Promenade swept-back bars on my cargo bike, but find that
I am signficantly less comfortable on longer rides than I am with drop
bars. I suspect it's not the lack of hand positions per se, but the
fact that I am sitting more upright most of the time. Drop bars let me
have more of a difference between upright on the tops, down low in the
drops, and in between (where I am most of the time).

James Black

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[RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

2009-12-19 Thread Richard

And let's take a moment to remember the Bridgestone MB-1, which came
with drop bars.  Another example of Grant's design expertise.

On Dec 19, 4:02 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 You know what's really crazy? I'll tell ya. There are some people who
 go out for rides one day wearing wool and regular shoes and no special
 biking gear and then just a day later may wear lycranaut gear. Isn't
 that crazy? It's like saying things aren't black and white, as if
 there were areas of gray. Crazy.

 On Dec 19, 10:19 am, Mark mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote:



  The poor bloke has lost his mind! Whats all the spandex for out in the
  woods? How about those knees going over boulders. Reminds me of
  Harleys going down the road in flip-flops.
  When he eventually grows up, he will look back and laugh, regretting
  he ever wrote such babble.

  As alwaysIMHO!

  SurF- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread Mojo

I am with James. Drop bars offer variety, with positions ranging from
upright to aggressive. For me this is less about getting aero (though
there is that). It is about being able to pull on the bars during
strong efforts such as climbing, and have multiple hand/body
positions. Cycling is repetitive enough without being locked into one
position.

For me an upright bar is great on my Towny for towny rides. But the
drop bar is a wonderfully versatile thing, no less so because it is
common.

Joe 'Noodle' Ramey

On Dec 19, 10:54 am, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?
 Beth

 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

 http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: A poll: Long distance riding with uprights?

2009-12-19 Thread Angus

Beth,

As I (my back) ages, I have found myself using Albatross bars more.  I
have done 40+ miles on Albatross bars, and 40+ miles on the Brompton,
but would generally prefer drops.  Depends upon how my back is feeling
at the time.

In the big sceme of things, I feel fortunate to be riding and I'll
ride what ever bars are comfortable.

One MTB = flat bars
One Bromton = whatever you call those things, but they are not drops
Four Rivendells = 3 drops, 1 Albatross
One Santana = drops

Angus

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 Just curious how many Riv riders do their longer-distance (40+ miles) with 
 upright handlebars? And among these, how many have only upright bars on their 
 bikes?
 Beth

 http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com

 http://veloquent.blogspot.com

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[RBW] Re: Article: Why I Ride Drop Bars (on a mountain bike)

Yup.  Figure most of the insults I hear nowadays are for my clothing
choices moreso than being a heftier than acceptable person on a bike.

Then again, I find folks who wear sandals in winter crazy.  Yet, there
are a lot of cyclists who do such a thing.

Eric Platt
St Paul, MN
(whose feet were cold wearing wool socks and Merrill waterproof,
insulated hiking boots)

On Dec 19, 3:48�pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 Similar to handlebars, it shocks me how much cyclists judge each other
 based on the clothes they wear! The funniest thing to me has always
 been Do you need special clothes to ride a bicycle? No, as long as
 you wear X, Y and Z. Substitute wool and sandals or spandex and clips
 in there and you get the same answer. Live and let live folks.


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[RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

2009-12-19 Thread Esteban

I have 35 Paselas ready on the Romulus.

I just need to figure out if I can get back to San Diego by 4...

On Dec 19, 1:29 pm, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Jim,
 I would go with the Paselas.  Its pretty good terrain, but pre-rain
 there were a few soft patches.
 And yes, I was working :(  but I'm home now and headed out the door
 for a ride :)
 -Andy

 On Dec 19, 9:09 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:



  Andy,

  What would you say is the good tire choice for this ride?

  Jack Brown 700x33
  Pasela     700x37
  or
  something knobbier?

  Thanks,
  Jim

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  From: Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com
  Sent: Dec 19, 2009 12:01 PM
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP

  Just a reminder that we will be out in force tomorrow morning, hope to
  see you there!
  -Andy

  On Dec 6, 6:09 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
   This ride was posted a few weeks back while in its formative stage.
   Now we're on for next Sunday, December 13.  Meet at the Starbucks at
   the Brea Gateway Mall at S. Brea Blvd and Imperial Hwy (NOT the Brea
   Mall, a bit east of there).  Bike'n'bag ogle, outrageous lies and
   coffee in the 9ish range, ride at 10 AM.

   Andy worked out the route and it's posted in a link on the flickr
   site:

  http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...

   Originally about 30 miles, it got expanded due to popular interest.
   Andy assures me that the expanded route will consume all available
   daylight, energy and available resources.  Very few useless (i.e.,
   flat  boring) miles and mostly high quality stuff.

   Riv content:  2 of 3 Atlantis' we know of on OC will be attending.  No
   RSVP; show'n'go.

   dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riv ride: Chino Hills SP