[RBW] Re: front bag with bar-end shifters?
Me again - I just use the 4 velcro straps and recently gave the brake straps a try (yup, they've good). I pulled the plastic bag stiffener out when it was new; just have the coroplast bottom stiffener in the bag. No decaleur. I slide the loop at the back of the front rack under the leather loop on the back of the bag. On Apr 4, 11:09 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, to all of you running a handlebar bag on a front rack. Do you use a decaleur? I am trying to decide between an Acorn on a Nitto Mini, and the new Barsack on it's special support., I would at least sometimes carry a medium DSLR in the bag (using a padded insert). Do you think this could work without a decaleur? I'd be happy to use the brake lever loops to help secure a heavier load. Btw, I have carried the DSLR (Nikon D300 with two lenses) in an Ortlieb handlebar bag without problems. Thanks much, Gernot On Apr 3, 6:35 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with this. I run an Acorn bag on a mark'srackand simply route the cable under thefrontrack. It's so simple I don't know why some people say otherwise. Now, with Shimano brifters, bigger problem. Michael On Mar 30, 11:21 pm, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm upgrading a 61cm Riv Custom from 9-speed brifters to 7-speed friction shifting. Plan to set it up with Nitto minifrontrack, decaleur, Ostrich handlebar bag. I notice many bike with similar set- ups use downtube shifters. I'm considering bar-end shifters, and wondering ... will thefrontbag interfere with cable routing? P.S. Anyone in the market for a Campag 9-speed drive-train and brakes? Best, Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Adam. Yahoo! I was hoping someone would ask about these. I've not only used Trangia stoves touring, I also have switched many of my sea kayaking expedition groups over to these. In short, these stoves are great. They are durable, simple and relatively light.They come with a cool teapot. They are made by workers who earn a livable wage. Unless you destroy the stove by beating it with a rock, it will always work. I camp on beaches for weeks at a time with beginning sea kayakers and they've always had stove issues due to sand and mechanical breakdowns. This has never happened with a Trangia. I did a two week field stove comparison with a group of experienced students a year or so ago. We compared the Trangia with the MSR Isopro and the MSR Whisperlite. The Trangia was the hands-down favorite. The best thing about Trangias for touring in the US, is that it seems that every hardware store in the country sells denatured alcohol - and usually in quart of pint sizes. Lacking that, you can almost always find a product called HEET. I've heard that people use Everclear, and I've tried it at home, but never on a trip. Downsides - well, pot sizes are limited due to the low heat output. Also, my 20 year old students NEED the 25 series set to serve two people adequately. My wife and I use the smaller 27 series and it works fine for us, but we don't really pound food. I use the pots for cooking and eating when I'm on an expedition along with a single spoon. I've found the stove is only adequate for cooking more advanced meals, so if you are a gourmet, look elsewhere. Alcohol stoves are less efficient than isobutane stoves for LONG trips without the ability to ressupply. I can make a single, 8oz isobutane canister last for 9 days. That same period requires about 32oz of alcohol for me. As an aside. I believe that the key to using any stove efficiently during long trips is learning how to use a pot cozy. Do an internet search for backpack cozy cooking and you'll get the idea.All of my students now use pot cozies for meal prep - we use half the fuel we used to. Dave On Apr 7, 6:02 pm, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to hear about about your experiences with the trangia stoves Riv sells after months of cooking. Cheers, Adam On Apr 7, 1:49 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Happyriding: I have a 64cm Atlantis. I love it. Currently, it has 32 spoke wheels front and rear and I use it for long road rides without luggage. I'm really happy with my Bombadil as a touring bike. It has 36 spokes in the front and 40 in the back. I've never broken a spoke on a well- built 36 spoke touring wheel, but I thought I'd build the Bombadil up with an extra strong rear wheel. I don't have any experience with Riv's wheel builds. They all seem like quality parts to me and I'll bet they are fine. I'll just insert here that one can build the ultimate, bombproof wheel and still have a breakdown. Last summer, the rear wheel on my Bomba (40 spokes, velocity dyad rim and Phil cassette hub) split down the middle due to a manufacturing defect. I've never had such an overbuilt and expensive wheel and I felt a little foolish. It didn't help that Pamela has been riding the same set of inexpensive, but handbuilt, salsa delgado rims with LX hubs for at least 3,000 miles and she's never even had to true them! My advice? A well built wheel with 36 spokes and decent, but not super expensive, hubs will serve you well. Dave On Apr 7, 9:17 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 7, 3:03 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: The Atlantis feels more stable with a load than my sports tourer did and the Bombadil feels better still at my weight (210) and a full set of gear. What size is your Atlantis? Wheels: How many spokes front and rear do you personally use? Which of Rivendell's wheel builds would you recommend? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Riv-related product. The German mirror Riv sells works great - I use it on my Surly Big Dummy around town. For touring, I prefer the Blackburn road brake lever mounted mirror. It is easily removable for bike packing. Both Pamela and I prefer bar mounted mirrors. I don't use one on my Atlantis or the QB on local rides. For touring, I always use a mirror. Dave On Apr 7, 9:19 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Mirrors: for or against? Handlebar or helmet mounted? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!
I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: front bag with bar-end shifters?
On Apr 4, 2:09 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to decide between an Acorn on a Nitto Mini, and the new Barsack on it's special support., I would at least sometimes carry a medium DSLR in the bag (using a padded insert). If I planned to often carry an expensive, relatively heavy, somewhat fragile device, I'd consider a handlebar bag that doesn't sit on a rack (Riv's Barsack, Acorn's handlebar bag, etc). While it may not be theoretically optimal for handling, the protection afforded through suspended fabric would outweigh the theoretical negative handling consequence. For me, IMO, YMMV, and all those other qualifiers. In other words, bag contents that sit on racks tend to get bounced around a lot. Defining what at least sometimes means to you, in addition to assessing your priorities (handling optimization, camera protection, aesthetics, ...) should help you decide which compromise to choose. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I bought a Trangia from Riv ages ago. It's the most easy to use,reliable, bomb-proof stove out there - maybe not as fast as others but to my mind the point of touring is to get away from the need for speed in every aspect of the day. Plus, the fuel is cheap, can be gotten in any hardware store, and easy to carry. On Apr 7, 6:02 pm, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to hear about about your experiences with the trangia stoves Riv sells after months of cooking. Cheers, Adam On Apr 7, 1:49 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: I'd like to thank Jim for his continued leadership in this group and specifically for his well-reasoned response to my concern about my post. My goal here is to be helpful and to encourage people of this group specifically to get out and tour on their Riv bikes by offering advice about doing so. I completely agree with and support the idea that we should be discussing Rivendell related topics in order to maintain the integrity of this group. Here's what I propose: I've done a sizeable amount of touring on my Atlantis and Bombadil and the rest of my touring has all been on lugged steel bikes. I've also used many of the products Rivendell sells - tires, stoves, racks, fenders, clothing - even pine tar soap! If I could amend my RBW Owners Bunch offer to respond in the group on just Riv touring related topics or products then perhaps we can continue. I will respond privately and off list to any non Riv touring questions via email until the 11th. After that, I'm off on another course with my students. Thank you all - especially for the kind words of support. Dave On Apr 7, 8:56 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/6/10 10:36 PM, Dave Craig at dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Moderator Jim: The RBW forum is the only internet forum I care to participate in. I appreciate the quality of thought and the civil discourse I find here. If you believe that my offer isn't an appropriate use of this forum, let me know and I'll retract my offer without a fuss. Well, since this bit was directed at me, I guess I need to dust off my epaulettes and respond... ;^) In the strictest sense, this has a high possibility of being outside the realm of this group. To put it plainly, a touring topic stream not related to Rivendell products isn't within the confines of the definition. Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and products, you don't need to own one - just an interest in RBW designs is enough to join in. Ride reports encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts. That being said, I do realize that (a) Riv sells bike camping products, (b) many people's enthusiasm for certain Riv models is specifically for the touring capabilities, camping and S24O adaptability, and (c) there are active touring folks on this list. I have to rely upon you and the others who contribute positively in this forum to be mindful of balancing those two thoughts. If we're discussing Touring in the Capital T sense, I'd suggest having the conversation over at the Touring group on phred.org (graciously hosted by alex who also hosts/moderates the iBob list). http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring One of the things I feel very strongly about, and have mentioned in the various State of the List reports, is that the strength and quality of this group discussion has a lot to do with the narrowness and specificity of the topic. http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr This list began as a subset of the iBob list (again, initially hosted on the phred.org servers) specifically because people wanted to talk about Rivendell designs and products without dealing with the waves of sniping comments by naysayers who didn't necessarily care about RBW products. The gen1 RBW list grew, became a bit fractured, then began to implode because it was becoming a mini-iBob list - replicating the conversations on the iBob list, but idoing so in a smaller venue where folks knew one another. The problem was that the tone was nicer, and the quality of response was generally reasoned, so people felt more comfortable asking questions of the RBW group. When some fairly caustic exchanges took place, Rivendell and alex decided to pull the plug. Generally, the discussion topics weren't Rivendell related and the tone had taken a decided turn for the worst. At that point, a number of us felt that the initial idea was a valid one. After emailing both alex and RBW to make sure it was ok, I fired up this group, which is where we are now. In one sense, we're a bit victimized by the quality of discussion on this list. I've been involved with online groups and lists and such for a while, and it is a rare thing when positive discussions can be maintained with a high signal to noise
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I'm with Thomas on this one. I own a 66 CM Atlantis and frankly find it to be a bit flexy when loaded. A double TT would help this I'm sure but I really like the idea of the mid-head to mid-seat tube bisecting that big empty space in the middle of the frame that often makes larger frames seem kind of gangly and awkward (I had enough of that in my teens don't need to be revisiting that period of my life). I think the diagonal 2TT does a more attractive job of this than the parallel 2tt. Unfortunately there is no way I can afford a Hunqapillar unless I sell my Atlantis... :-/ Anybody in the market for a 66CM Atlantis? Ethan On Apr 5, 12:12 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I don't post very often (Jim pointed out there's an endless footer attached to my messages when I do!), but let me offer the opinion of an Atlantis and Bombadil owner (which means that I ain't buying one no matter what the decision is): I think the diagonal 2tt (the Campeur approach) is extremely attractive, AND cool, AND very likely highly, highly functional. For those who agree with the first two judgments (and there will obviously be disagreements), it is a grand slam home run. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of happyriding Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar Just an opinion, and not meant to insult anyone...but that is the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Sorry. Just one opinion. I suspect one reason Rivendell might like to do the diagonal 2tt is marketing: it helps differentiate the Hunaqpillar from the Bombadil-- even if it doesn't improve on it. But if Rivendell's goal is to actually sell some frames, then I think a diagonal 2tt will be a tough sell. But then I thought the Bomadil would be a tough sell, too. Also, unless Rivendell does some testing on the strength differences (do they even have the capability?), I think that using a diagonal 2tt would be a rash decision. As for people like EricP, this new diagonal 2tt idea seems contrary to everything Rivendell said during the pre-order period: 1) Trust us 2) July delivery a good possibility 3) Only minor tweaks I imagine Rivendell would be willing to return deposits--but that won't cure the disappointment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Blue and orange - quite nice. Rain is supposed to come Sunday night. I have fenders on the Romulus to ensure it will not rain during the day. Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
I used my Rambouillet last year for a small tour and found the brakes to be insufficient - too flexy. If I use it again I'm going to switch to Paul Centerpulls. Everything else worked fine as the Ram is not too lightweight and, in my opinion, able to carry a moderate load. On Apr 7, 9:18 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning a modest ride this summer from NE Vermont to Montreal and back. I have a Rambouillet and a Atlantis. A couple of questions: 1. I would prefer to ride the Ram but it's not a major thing. Given the fact that I'm going to be on good roads, is there enough difference between the bikes to make me go with the Atlantis? 2. I have a Nitto front rack and several boxy style front bags. I don't have any rack for front panniers and zero experience with them. Recommendations on rack and front panniers? 3. I am planning on using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the rear but no rear panniers. Any problem with that? Sorry about your family situation. I've been through that twice. Thanks for offering your advice. GeorgeS On Apr 7, 10:41 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Adam Loading - The first principle is to travel light overall - you'll have more fun. Ratios - I'm not super scientific about this, but Pamela and I both like the way our bikes handle with heavy, dense stuff packed in low rider panniers in the front, SMALL handlebar bags, and bulky lighter stuff in the back. We always keep the heavy stuff as low as possible and we avoid rack top loads when possible. As a starting point, let's call the loading 60% front and 40% rear. The idea is balanced weight while riding. By packing relatively heavy stuff up front, we balance the rider weight that is carried more over the rear wheel. With both wheels equally sharing the weight, the bike feels balanced on the road and the rear wheel is less likely to have problems. My solution is to mess with my packing system until the bike feels right - good steering response, combined with a balance feel and the acknowledgement that my rear wheel needs to be protected by sharing the weight more evenly between wheels. I have no experience with extensive off road touring. For dirt roads, the principles are the same as above. Dave On Apr 7, 7:17 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Could you speak to your experience of how it is most appropriate to load a bicycle for: a. strictly road touring b. mixed terrain (dirt and road touring) What ratios of weight do you recommend in the front and rear? Thank you! Adam On Apr 6, 10:36 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: It is that time of year again. Many of us have probably started planning or dreaming about a summer tour. I'd like to offer my commitment for the next 5 days, until midnight on Sunday, April 11th, to address questions from anyone who is curious about loaded touring, has questions about gear, or other topics relevant to traveling and camping by bike. Riv related content - I tour on my RBW bikes and I don't meet many other Riv riders on the road! My motivation: I'm going through a difficult time right now with an aging and ill parent and I'm seeing my own opportunity for a summer tour slowly evaporate. I would love to have the productive distraction of helping others to realize their own dreams of travel by bike. I am not selling anything. My background: I work as a professor of adventure education at a small southwestern college. My entire adult life has been dedicated to teaching others how to enjoy and travel safely in the outdoors. I am a League of American Bicyclists Bike Ed instructor. I have traveled thousands of miles as a bike tourist and have spent years of my life living outdoors in remote wilderness. I have a Quickbeam, a Bombadil, and an Atlantis. I've toured with the last two. Rules of engagement and disclosure: Ask a question or questions via this forum or via a personal message to me. I clearly don't know everything and will say so when I don't know. If I don't have direct experience with something, I'll also say so. No BS. I expect to learn as well as share. As an open forum, anyone else with direct experience on a topic should feel free to weigh in or answer a question. If I get a question via email that I can't answer, I'll post it back to the group after asking permission from the sender. Please, don't answer a question with info that you've only heard or read about. Internet forums are already too full of that kind of second or third hand advice. That's one of the problems with getting good answers to bike touring questions. However, if you know of a great resource that's relevant (like RBW), please share it. I will try to check in on the RBW Owners Bunch no less than three times a day in order to answer questions. Moderator
Re: [RBW] Re: B 17 trade
Well, the original offeror of a new, black Turbo hasn't replied to my reply; so perhaps there's hope. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Dang Patrick, a dozen offers. Maybe you should offer another as new B-17 for a Roadeo frameset in your size. On Apr 7, 5:45 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just discovered about a dozen replies. Thanks to all. I have an email to an early respondent with a pristine Turbo; if he does not respond, I will respond individually as appropriate. In any event, I will let all know what happens. For record, as much as I like Flites on my Rivs and Motobecane, I rather prefer the slightly wider Turbo for higher bars, as on the Monocog and, I presume, on the Sam Hill. Thanks to all the benighted folk out there who want B 17s. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so popular . why are they not sold in mass? I see a warmish response here in this forum but you know how some things go . people say they love the design . but when it comes time to actually buy and own one . personal reality checks in. . . . and they may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike show it looks great you drool over it ... but you just don't get one . for whatever reason. usually it's too far out of the norm. What would so and so think? ... etc. I missed this from Garth earlier. Couldn't one say the same about any Riv design, or, for that matter, lugged steel bike? If lugged steel bikes are sold in mass, I have yet to see them. Bikes with extra tubes are more expensive to make, and thus buy. They are also heavier than most bikes. Many people never ride with loads and to places such a bike would be needed. For those few who do, having some attractive priced options from Riv make sense. On Apr 7, 6:40 pm, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike should have multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: From: Garth garth...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM If they're going diagonal . what do they do about water bottles ? Design is one thing, but what about practicality? While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all about triangles .. more of them doesn't necessarily mean better. Double top tubes parallel looks masculine.. works great for carrying and stand mounting... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't. I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so popular . why are they not sold in mass? I see a warmish response here in this forum but you know how some things go . people say they love the design . but when it comes time to actually buy and own one . personal reality checks in. . . . and they may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike show it looks great you drool over it ... but you just don't get one . for whatever reason. usually it's too far out of the norm. What would so and so think? ... etc. The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Might I suggest a sleeping bag liner if your not planning to wear something woolish when going to bed. The nights can be a little chilly and a sleeping bag liner can keep you warm and keep your sleeping bag from getting dirty. Dress in layers helps solve most issues with warmth, but not all issues. As for something to do, after setting up camp you'll have plenty of time before it gets dark, so hiking around the area and finding something interesting to see. If China Hole allows camp fires you and your son can collect fire wood and build a fire. Warmth is so underrated when it comes to sleeping outside that you'll be glad to have a fire to look at near the end of the day. Also bring smores! Those always becomes a sticky and fun mess when eating outdoors. Have fun hope you bring a camera to capture the memories the weather should be amazing! -Manny On Apr 8, 2:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I think the 3 person tent would probably be better even if you didn't want to invite a third person along. That REI Quarter Dome is tiny. I rejected it for my cross-country trip, even though I would have been using it for myself alone. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. For the Bay Area, a 50 degree sleeping bag is optimistic, unless you and your son sleep very warm. 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. Breakfast? -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
René You've seen this, right? http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_camping/a_kit_for_one_night_out I'm the opposite of Anne in terms of tent size. I like smallish tents because they are usually lighter and they pack easier. Get a sleeping bag that will keep you warm. 50 degrees is a little sparse for May on the coast. I use 30 - 40 degree bags for coastal camping. Pamela sleeps cold in anything above a 30 degree bag, even in the summer. Overall, don't fret too much about gear or packing. If you have to strap stuff on your bike in crazy ways, so be it. If you have to push your bike because it is unrideable, that's fine too. You are one on end of the learning progression that everyone who camps goes through. Don't listen to too many experts, particularly salespeople. As long as you sleep warm and well at night (and even if you don't), you'll discover soon what works FOR YOU and you'll have some great stories to remember with your son years down the road. Dave On Apr 8, 2:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Who're you callin' Nerf Herder!? I'm looking forward to it! I'll see you boys on Sunday, Rain or Shine! -Andy On Apr 7, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That would actually be pretty damn good marketing on their part. Other than having a bunch of scruffy nerf herders representing their business of course. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: If Rivendell wants to be at the show, all they have to do is rent the space send us some credentials. We'll just ride over park our parks in the space. How much more real world can you ask for? And we can supply the full spectrum of bike models, esp if David goes for a Hunq :). dougP On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love to get back out there and particpate in those rides. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 12:17 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Forget the fact that I don't know what size bikes I ride. Let's ride, drink beer, and see fancy
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
I'm with Dave on tent size, small is best, as long as you are comfortable inside, it also is less interior space to heat up. The tent will add about 10d capability to your sleep system. You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight bags too. I would bring a tiny backpacking stove just for coffee or hot instant oatmeal in the morning. The MSR pocket rocket is tiny and with a small isobutane canister is easy to use. You will need a small pot to heat the water in. A warm liquid in the Morning can certainly brighten your day. and don't forget to bring a wool cap and warm jacket for the evening/ morning. You can use them for sleeping if you get cold too. Being warm can make or break the camping experience. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 8:06 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: René You've seen this, right? http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_camping/a_kit_for_one_night_out I'm the opposite of Anne in terms of tent size. I like smallish tents because they are usually lighter and they pack easier. Get a sleeping bag that will keep you warm. 50 degrees is a little sparse for May on the coast. I use 30 - 40 degree bags for coastal camping. Pamela sleeps cold in anything above a 30 degree bag, even in the summer. Overall, don't fret too much about gear or packing. If you have to strap stuff on your bike in crazy ways, so be it. If you have to push your bike because it is unrideable, that's fine too. You are one on end of the learning progression that everyone who camps goes through. Don't listen to too many experts, particularly salespeople. As long as you sleep warm and well at night (and even if you don't), you'll discover soon what works FOR YOU and you'll have some great stories to remember with your son years down the road. Dave On Apr 8, 2:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email
RE: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Michael_S wrote, in part: ...You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight bags too... Yep indeedy! I used a big comfy air mattress on my last supported tour and half froze to death! Is there an insulating ground cloth or panel that could be used under it or do I need another mattress? Steve Brrr, Frederick, East Lansing, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Michael_S wrote, in part: ...You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight bags too... Yep indeedy! I used a big comfy air mattress on my last supported tour and half froze to death! Is there an insulating ground cloth or panel that could be used under it or do I need another mattress? Steve Brrr, Frederick, East Lansing, MI I have a 3/4 length 1 Thermarest inflatable foam mattress that helps a lot with cold ground (and rocks and other stuff). Packs down very small but makes a big difference in sleeping comfort. Wearing socks and a wool hat help a lot with cold weather camping too, and i'm with Mike; a cup of coffee or tea in the morning makes a cold start much more pleasant. Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
On Apr 7, 9:02 pm, Adam wrote: I'd love to hear about about your experiences with the trangia stoves Riv sells after months of cooking. The Trangia is quiet! Which can be very nice for morning coffee. The Trangia is a tad slow, and there is little control of the heat output. The Trangia is by far the easiest style of stove to find fuel for (arguably more-so than wood burning stoves)... and rather miserly in it's use. The Trangia is indestructible. The fuel (alcohol) is very safe but you must be careful when operating. Refueling, knowing when it is lit, spilling etc. The Trangia pretty much requires wind protection. At least a screen if not using the cook system (offered at Rivbike) On the other hand each stove type offers its advantages, get a MSR Simmerlite (my vote for 'white gas'), a Trangia System, and a small canister stove (any). Bring whichever you like for each ride. On a real adventure I'd grab the Trangia. Also bring along a small folding grill top. (REI has 'em) At campsites with fire rings a grill top can't be beat for cooking veggies (Tomatoes onions mushroom summer squash etc) and NY strip steak or ribeye. Your Trangia won't do justice to a good steak. I do this a lot. Personally I don't like the Esbit type systems- messy stinky tablets, and I haven't used the interesting wood gas stoves. As for the water discussion, I'll add that only filter types will rid your water of chemical impurities. Not a problem around towns as you can get municipal water, but nearby farms and industry can have pollutants that biological purification won't help. Chem: Tablets are cheap but a bit of a pain in the butt. (use Vitamin C after iodine to neutralize and for taste) Liquid is easier and quicker with no bad taste but expensive in the long run. Chlorine - Cheap and works, but be careful of dosage and most laundry brands have additional bad stuff. I think the Mioxx system basically makes chlorine. (or some strong base) Filters: have been well covered. Fast clear water with mechanical caveats. Ultraviolet:- Cool. There's not too much that can go wrong. Have batteries, don't break it, and enjoy clean cold brown water! I keed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. That is the spirit. The little guy is going to be very comfortable in the great outdoors with that start. On Apr 8, 11:23 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: I did a two week field stove comparison with a group of experienced students a year or so ago. We compared the Trangia with the MSR Isopro and the MSR Whisperlite. The Trangia was the hands-down favorite. The best thing about Trangias for touring in the US, is that it seems that every hardware store in the country sells denatured alcohol - and usually in quart of pint sizes. Here's an alternative point of view: Trangias are very, very reliable for what they're good for. But it's difficult to actually cook with them. You can boil water, as long as you don't want to boil a lot of it and you're not in a big hurry, and they make great popcorn, but you can't cook. If you have raw ingredients and you want to cook them, you need an actual stove. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. My oldest daughter's first camping trip was when she was 7-8 months old, but both kids are in the middle range now where they're too big to haul in a Burley, but not able to ride any distance yet. One hasn't mastered the 2-wheeler yet and the other just started riding last week. Another couple of years and they'll be able to ride 20 miles to a park on their own bikes, for now i'm just enjoying the neighborhood rides and non-bike camping. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Nerf herder-- that's rich. Who's scruffy-looking? A good question for this group. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 8, 8:11 am, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Who're you callin' Nerf Herder!? I'm looking forward to it! I'll see you boys on Sunday, Rain or Shine! -Andy On Apr 7, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That would actually be pretty damn good marketing on their part. Other than having a bunch of scruffy nerf herders representing their business of course. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: If Rivendell wants to be at the show, all they have to do is rent the space send us some credentials. We'll just ride over park our parks in the space. How much more real world can you ask for? And we can supply the full spectrum of bike models, esp if David goes for a Hunq :). dougP On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the restaurant we stopped at. And . . .grin ) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 6:16 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric--some of this is the route we did last year. Gonna be fun. On Apr 4, 5:48 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wish I wasn't 3,000 or so miles away. Would love
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
I must admit that I like the looks of these: http://thetouringstore.com/ORTLIEB/Ort%20PANNIERS/SPP/SPP%20PAGE.htm I'm just wondering if they're overkill for my needs, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
While the gear recommendations above are worth your consideration, and could make a few recommendations of products and strategies that have worked ok for me, I believe you will learn best by doing. The beauty of a S24O is that you only have to live with your mistakes for 24 hours or less. I recently linked this old Dirt Rag article about, shall we say, bare-bones touring on the HC blog, and I think it's worth a few minutes of reading for the perspective. http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article-print.php?ID=859 On Apr 8, 4:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Not really an alternate view, Anne. I wrote: I've found the stove is only adequate for cooking more advanced meals, so if you are a gourmet, look elsewhere. You and I are definitely on the same page here. However, I will point out that my students and I do eat real food on our expeditions, including raw ingredients (fish, veggies, etc). The stove works fine, but it is not as capable as isobutane or white gas stoves for more complex meals. Trangia makes a isobutane burner for their wonderful pot system. It is nearly as reliable as the alcohol burner, it is quiet, it simmers beautifully and has all of the other advantages of actual stoves. See: http://www.trangia.se/english/2917.trangia_accessories.html Dave On Apr 8, 9:30 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: I did a two week field stove comparison with a group of experienced students a year or so ago. We compared the Trangia with the MSR Isopro and the MSR Whisperlite. The Trangia was the hands-down favorite. The best thing about Trangias for touring in the US, is that it seems that every hardware store in the country sells denatured alcohol - and usually in quart of pint sizes. Here's an alternative point of view: Trangias are very, very reliable for what they're good for. But it's difficult to actually cook with them. You can boil water, as long as you don't want to boil a lot of it and you're not in a big hurry, and they make great popcorn, but you can't cook. If you have raw ingredients and you want to cook them, you need an actual stove. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:30 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. That is the spirit. The little guy is going to be very comfortable in the great outdoors with that start. Not so little anymore :) He's 6'3 and he just turned twenty. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Brifter-friendly triples?
Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: My oldest daughter's first camping trip was when she was 7-8 months old, but both kids are in the middle range now where they're too big to haul in a Burley, but not able to ride any distance yet. I know that Riv doesn't make them, but this is why God gave us tandem bicycles. And those ride-along bikes. Ah, if only they *were* just given away, I've had my eye on a Bike Friday for a while now. Even if i get a windfall and buy a tandem, one of them will need to be on a solo bike, unless said windfall covers a triple or i can rope in someone else with a tandem (single dad, 2 kids). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
All canister stoves are not all created equal. In my experience, the best bang for your buck is the Snow Peak Gigapower. More stable, lower height so pot less likely to tip over, flat pot holder so more contact area with pots, great quality, and wicked small (and made in Japan). All for 30-40 bucks. There are a few models but i like the basic, igniter less, stainless model. It blows the socks of off the competition. There is one 'design feature that is less than optimal-- you need to turn the gas valve on to store it in its case-- not a big deal, just dont forget to turn it off before attaching it to the canister the next time. With any canister stove, be sure to check how it attaches to the canister and what brands of fuel use the same attachment system. Keep in mind that most stores are legally obligated to tell you that a stove can only use the canisters from the same company as the stove (huge liability). This is usually not true-- do your research before buying anything. Canisters are amazing for day trips to week long tours-- longer than that and the benefit starts do go away. Time to start thinking about the Whisperlite International (a shockingly good product in my estimation). Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Definitely pro mirror. Eyeglass mount is my choice. Knowing what's approaching from behind is good. Tour buses have the engine in the rear, don't go very fast, and can really sneak up on you. Even at low speed they displace a lot of air. dougP On Apr 7, 9:19 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Mirrors: for or against? Handlebar or helmet mounted? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
Those with 9 speed chains seem to have more drive train issues such as poor indexing chain breakage. Rear wheels lead a tough life. Rack bolts deserve attention, as well as lock washers nylok nuts. dougP On Apr 7, 9:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: What are the top three most common mechanicals you've had or others in your group have had while on tour. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
On Apr 7, 9:19 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Mirrors: for or against? Handlebar or helmet mounted? Thanks. --- I¹m for it. Helmet visor mount. I can see lots more than with a h-bar mounted one, just by turning my head a bit. Sometimes when I¹m off the bike, I find myself swiveling my head about to get a better look behind me, wishing I had a rear-view mirror all the time. I suspect that would embarrass family members, though. ³Yeah, Uncle Jon hit Crazy Old Coot mode kinda early in life . . .² -- Jon ³Not crazy, just excessively logical² Grant, who should be working, in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Since I have very little hair on the top of my head, he must be thinking of someone else. And what is a nerf herder? dougP On Apr 8, 9:39 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Nerf herder-- that's rich. Who's scruffy-looking? A good question for this group. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 8, 8:11 am, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Who're you callin' Nerf Herder!? I'm looking forward to it! I'll see you boys on Sunday, Rain or Shine! -Andy On Apr 7, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That would actually be pretty damn good marketing on their part. Other than having a bunch of scruffy nerf herders representing their business of course. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: If Rivendell wants to be at the show, all they have to do is rent the space send us some credentials. We'll just ride over park our parks in the space. How much more real world can you ask for? And we can supply the full spectrum of bike models, esp if David goes for a Hunq :). dougP On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories evoke, though! Its easy to take one's hometown for granted. Thanks for the wake-up call. San Diego, Calif. On Apr 4, 6:27 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What a coincidence! Those are all events I would like to have repeated as well! On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:01 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I know. Just want to ride it again. (Okay, and ride back up to Mission Beach and gawk at the houses on the beach. And ride to Coronado. And stop on the southern part of the loop to photograph the old railroad depot. And have another beer at the
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
David: Put the computer down go ride your bike. Now. That's way too fussy. I pump my tires every couple of weeks, whether they need it or not. dougP On Apr 7, 9:07 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Mine came today, Redlands, CA. Unfortunately not wrapped in a GB rim. Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Spring BQ arrived in Tempe, AZ today. Wow. It's good to read about M. Czuka and M. P. de Vivie in the same issue. And totally modern bike tech, too. Bridging generations. Good idea. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
Highly recommend that you get a friction bar-end, downtube, or thumb shifter for your triple. You can keep the brifter set, just don't hook the shifting to it on the left side. It worked for Lance Armstrong. On Apr 8, 12:05 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
I'm gonna make a pair of those clam-digger bucket panniers. Then I can leave them on the bike in high-theft zones and feel good that someone needs them more than I do if they disappear, and then I can make an improved version. Seriously, everyone need more than one kind of pannier, to suit the load, the weather, and your mood... Anyone have a link to some good mounting ideas? Heavyduty velcro comes to mind. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:40 AM, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit that I like the looks of these: http://thetouringstore.com/ORTLIEB/Ort%20PANNIERS/SPP/SPP%20PAGE.htm I'm just wondering if they're overkill for my needs, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Nitto straight pin seatpost???
Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
I've used Campy 9 speed brifters with Campy racing triple, Sugino triples and Shimano Dura ace triple, all with no problems. Tim On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Highly recommend that you get a friction bar-end, downtube, or thumb shifter for your triple. You can keep the brifter set, just don't hook the shifting to it on the left side. It worked for Lance Armstrong. On Apr 8, 12:05 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto straight pin seatpost???
Yes. Here: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/253/original_S60.pdf I plan to get one. I prefer the look on some bikes. Low budget variations available do not have nice patina, and I worry the clamps may not hold. Of course, I could use the Ideale clamps I have in my collection, but I do not want to get those banged up. Between this and the steel handlebars, Riv is doing some fun stuff. On Apr 8, 1:06 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
I'm not sure if the crankset would be the issue. Back in the day when triple brifters first came out (late 90s?), the conventional wisdom was that you had to use a front derailleur specifically designed for triples. At that time, there was only one, which had a different design (swung from the bottom rather than the top) and was a level below 105 -- RSX or something like that. Anyhow, my wife's bike with brifters, that f.d. and an XC Pro triple worked fine. That's a long way of saying, maybe you should start with a modern triple front derailleur and go from there. Also, it's my impression that cranks don't generally care whether it's 8- or 9- speed. Greg On Apr 8, 10:05 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto straight pin seatpost???
Aha! Thanks Joel. Hmmm: nutcaps... fancy vinyl nutcaps. And I like how the clamp hardware in those shots is already all chewed up :-) On 4/8/10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes. Here: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/253/original_S60.pdf I plan to get one. I prefer the look on some bikes. Low budget variations available do not have nice patina, and I worry the clamps may not hold. Of course, I could use the Ideale clamps I have in my collection, but I do not want to get those banged up. Between this and the steel handlebars, Riv is doing some fun stuff. On Apr 8, 1:06 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto straight pin seatpost???
Take a close look at the Jay-spec'd 62cm Protopillar on the Hunqa pages.I think it has a straight pin seatpost On Apr 8, 11:22 am, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Aha! Thanks Joel. Hmmm: nutcaps... fancy vinyl nutcaps. And I like how the clamp hardware in those shots is already all chewed up :-) On 4/8/10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes. Here: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/253/original_S60.pdf I plan to get one. I prefer the look on some bikes. Low budget variations available do not have nice patina, and I worry the clamps may not hold. Of course, I could use the Ideale clamps I have in my collection, but I do not want to get those banged up. Between this and the steel handlebars, Riv is doing some fun stuff. On Apr 8, 1:06 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto straight pin seatpost???
Did not notice that before. I think you are correct. It is a good look. On Apr 8, 1:23 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Take a close look at the Jay-spec'd 62cm Protopillar on the Hunqa pages.I think it has a straight pin seatpost On Apr 8, 11:22 am, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Aha! Thanks Joel. Hmmm: nutcaps... fancy vinyl nutcaps. And I like how the clamp hardware in those shots is already all chewed up :-) On 4/8/10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes. Here: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/253/original_S60.pdf I plan to get one. I prefer the look on some bikes. Low budget variations available do not have nice patina, and I worry the clamps may not hold. Of course, I could use the Ideale clamps I have in my collection, but I do not want to get those banged up. Between this and the steel handlebars, Riv is doing some fun stuff. On Apr 8, 1:06 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Brifter-friendly triples?
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 10:05 -0700, M. Chandler wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. So get a ramped, pinned chain ring for it. TA makes them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
I'm going to do my first S24O this Saturday. Here is my list: http://gspiess.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/s24o-pack-list/ On Apr 8, 5:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Not a bad list at all. But I must ask: Bug spray? In Pennsylvania the second weekend of April? On Apr 8, 1:49 pm, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote: I'm going to do my first S24O this Saturday. Here is my list:http://gspiess.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/s24o-pack-list/ On Apr 8, 5:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pannier recommendations
I don't have dedicated indoor bike storage at work. But in the Rivendell spirit, I just take my bike to my office. I figure it's safe there (bikes get ripped off regularly in the parking lot - locked or not), and I sold a Saluki by bringing my Quickbeam to work. On Apr 7, 11:28 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. Now that is a great perk! Wish we did at my work. On Apr 7, 12:21 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. On Apr 7, 10:38 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Joel, I was out the other night at dusk, riding along the Yellow Breeches, which is a nationally known trout stream, and was covered with bugs. I was tempted to take off my bandana and ride outlaw style; but opted to squint and limit my breathing to nose only. On Apr 8, 3:00 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Not a bad list at all. But I must ask: Bug spray? In Pennsylvania the second weekend of April? On Apr 8, 1:49 pm, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote: I'm going to do my first S24O this Saturday. Here is my list:http://gspiess.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/s24o-pack-list/ On Apr 8, 5:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Wow. Guess Chicago's friend and foe Lake Michigan has really been suppressing temperatures around here. I have seen the occasional creepy crawly indoors but no flying insects outside yet. On Apr 8, 2:09 pm, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote: Joel, I was out the other night at dusk, riding along the Yellow Breeches, which is a nationally known trout stream, and was covered with bugs. I was tempted to take off my bandana and ride outlaw style; but opted to squint and limit my breathing to nose only. On Apr 8, 3:00 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Not a bad list at all. But I must ask: Bug spray? In Pennsylvania the second weekend of April? On Apr 8, 1:49 pm, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote: I'm going to do my first S24O this Saturday. Here is my list:http://gspiess.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/s24o-pack-list/ On Apr 8, 5:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Not so little anymore :) He's 6'3 and he just turned twenty. How about that! Early outdoors got him off to a good start. On Apr 8, 12:03 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:30 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. That is the spirit. The little guy is going to be very comfortable in the great outdoors with that start. Not so little anymore :) He's 6'3 and he just turned twenty. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] pannier recommendations
My office is my dedicated parking area for my bike. Other people are welcome in as well... :-D René On 4/8/10, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have dedicated indoor bike storage at work. But in the Rivendell spirit, I just take my bike to my office. I figure it's safe there (bikes get ripped off regularly in the parking lot - locked or not), and I sold a Saluki by bringing my Quickbeam to work. On Apr 7, 11:28 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. Now that is a great perk! Wish we did at my work. On Apr 7, 12:21 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: We have indoor bike storage facilities at work. On Apr 7, 10:38 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: For commuting, unless you are only going to have a pannier on one side of the bike, panniers that attach at the top such as the Brooks and the Laplander: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4790070id=197328405989 may be the better option. Saves you the time of attaching and detaching both panniers if you do not feel good about leaving them on the bike. The roll up feature is nice when riding with them empty. For touring, I agree with 'Me'. Ortliebs are very hard to beat. On Apr 7, 11:19 am, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: If waterproof-ness (or Ortlieb's level of waterproof-ness) isn't a must-have, then what about the offerings from Lone Peak and/or Arkel? From what I've read, the Lone Peaks are lighter than most, and quite serviceable for 2-3x/week use (25 miles round/trip). On Apr 6, 9:46 pm, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: For whatever it's worth: Three kinds of pannier people... 1. Those that buy something other than Ortlieb [refer to #3]. 2. Those that buy Ortlieb first. 3. Those that bought something other than Ortlieb before they then bought their current panniers, Ortlieb. They work, they are waterproof, they mount great and stay mounted... it's just that easy. Really. On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot weather. What are some good non-waterproof panniers? Thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
In the past I've used Campy ergo levers with a triple and it worked flawlessly. I don't recall whether the rings were even ramped/pinned. You just need to get the appropriate Jtek Shiftmate rollamajig thing for your derailleur/cassette match-up: http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm On Apr 8, 11:35 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 10:05 -0700, M. Chandler wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. So get a ramped, pinned chain ring for it. TA makes them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
Regarding the Shimano road triples being on the tall side, you do know that you can put together an IRD 13 - 34 in the rear? Mine's a 10 speed though. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 4:05 PM In the past I've used Campy ergo levers with a triple and it worked flawlessly. I don't recall whether the rings were even ramped/pinned. You just need to get the appropriate Jtek Shiftmate rollamajig thing for your derailleur/cassette match-up: http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm On Apr 8, 11:35 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 10:05 -0700, M. Chandler wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. So get a ramped, pinned chain ring for it. TA makes them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!
You might consider an Esbit or alcohol stove to boil water to make hot chocolate or tea. Doesn't take much room, and it might be nice to have something warm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto straight pin seatpost???
I'm into it. I'll consider it for my next build for sure. Especially if Jay confirms that's what he's been using. On Apr 8, 11:32 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Did not notice that before. I think you are correct. It is a good look. On Apr 8, 1:23 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Take a close look at the Jay-spec'd 62cm Protopillar on the Hunqa pages.I think it has a straight pin seatpost On Apr 8, 11:22 am, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Aha! Thanks Joel. Hmmm: nutcaps... fancy vinyl nutcaps. And I like how the clamp hardware in those shots is already all chewed up :-) On 4/8/10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes. Here: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/253/original_S60.pdf I plan to get one. I prefer the look on some bikes. Low budget variations available do not have nice patina, and I worry the clamps may not hold. Of course, I could use the Ideale clamps I have in my collection, but I do not want to get those banged up. Between this and the steel handlebars, Riv is doing some fun stuff. On Apr 8, 1:06 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW Did I dream this up, or did I see somewhere (RBW site? Riv News? Thru-th-Keyhole? Reader?) that Nitto was making a fancy-pants plain-jane seatpost / seat clamp? A post kind of like:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/straight-post-272/11-021 ... plus, Nitto-nice hardware for the seat clamp? Could swear I saw it. Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
heck , you don't even need a Jtek thingamajig! The cable pull on 10 speed Camp ergo shifters matches the spacing on 8 speed ShimaNo splined cassettes. Many Monstercrossers have use this combo because they prefer the Campy lever feel to the ShimaNo and you don't have that messy cable to deal with. ( shift cable is routed under bartape). And ShimaNo and SRAM and IRD all make the big tooth touring cassettes. (Campy's biggest is 29t). I have this set-up on my tandem and it works great. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 1:18 pm, Ron Farnsworth r2far...@yahoo.com wrote: Regarding the Shimano road triples being on the tall side, you do know that you can put together an IRD 13 - 34 in the rear? Mine's a 10 speed though. --- On Thu, 4/8/10, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples? To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 4:05 PM In the past I've used Campy ergo levers with a triple and it worked flawlessly. I don't recall whether the rings were even ramped/pinned. You just need to get the appropriate Jtek Shiftmate rollamajig thing for your derailleur/cassette match-up: http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm On Apr 8, 11:35 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 10:05 -0700, M. Chandler wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. So get a ramped, pinned chain ring for it. TA makes them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Apr 8, 9:57 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Michael_S wrote, in part: ...You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight bags too... Yep indeedy! I used a big comfy air mattress on my last supported tour and half froze to death! Is there an insulating ground cloth or panel that could be used under it or do I need another mattress? Actually, you need the insulation on top of the air mattress. The air in an air mattress will begin a circular movement, and the convection will continuously carry body warmth away from the surface of the mattress. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?
The attached from Peter White's website might interest you. http://peterwhitecycles.com/chainrings.asp Good luck. On Apr 8, 12:05 pm, M. Chandler milehighska...@gmail.com wrote: Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there. I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain). Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull. Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/ used stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Apr 8, 10:46 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I recently linked this old Dirt Rag article about, shall we say, bare-bones touring on the HC blog, and I think it's worth a few minutes of reading for the perspective.http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article-print.php?ID=859 Ok. Where did that knife guy go. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Thanks for this, Jim! Great article. On Apr 8, 9:46 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: While the gear recommendations above are worth your consideration, and could make a few recommendations of products and strategies that have worked ok for me, I believe you will learn best by doing. The beauty of a S24O is that you only have to live with your mistakes for 24 hours or less. I recently linked this old Dirt Rag article about, shall we say, bare-bones touring on the HC blog, and I think it's worth a few minutes of reading for the perspective.http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article-print.php?ID=859 On Apr 8, 4:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
A fellow named Dave Adams derived a formula that approximates Frank Berto's measured tire drop, and made an Excel file that uses it. He's given me permission to pass the xls file on, if anyone besides David wants it. You input your weight + gear, your tire size, and the percent of bike weight on the rear wheel. It gives you recommended pressures for front and rear tires. My sample of two (Quickbeam and low-trail Ross) showed that the BQ figures for normal and low-trail rear/front weight distributions were spot-on: 60/40 and 55/45 respectively, so the only difficulty would be wrestling your loaded bike into the bathroom to stand on the scale with it! So if you want to play with the file, let me know. Philip On Apr 7, 10:13 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
On Apr 7, 9:19 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Mirrors: for or against? Handlebar or helmet mounted? Thanks. Not against, but don't want, so in *that* sense against. That is part of my desire over the years to divest myself of cycling encumbrances (except multiple bikes): mirrors, helmet, gloves, padded shorts, special jerseys, sunglasses -- tho' I have, shamefacedly, gone back to SPDs and Looks and thus special shoes. I tried mirrors once upon a while, and found myself looking backward anyway, just to be sure, so I gave them up in any case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Nerf Herder See Star Wars Episode V: Empire Strikes back. Dialog between Princess Leia and Han Solo early in the Movie while on the ice planet of Hoth, scene takes place in the infirmary where Luke is recovering from a Wompa attack. sigh if I only had that kind of recall for stuff that actually mattered! Doug I think if you insert Sheep for Nerf you will get the picture A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Not that there is anything wrong with that I wouldn't want to stand next to me after a double century even if I was wearing wool ;-) Ryan On Apr 8, 10:33 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Since I have very little hair on the top of my head, he must be thinking of someone else. And what is a nerf herder? dougP On Apr 8, 9:39 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Nerf herder-- that's rich. Who's scruffy-looking? A good question for this group. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 8, 8:11 am, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Who're you callin' Nerf Herder!? I'm looking forward to it! I'll see you boys on Sunday, Rain or Shine! -Andy On Apr 7, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That would actually be pretty damn good marketing on their part. Other than having a bunch of scruffy nerf herders representing their business of course. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: If Rivendell wants to be at the show, all they have to do is rent the space send us some credentials. We'll just ride over park our parks in the space. How much more real world can you ask for? And we can supply the full spectrum of bike models, esp if David goes for a Hunq :). dougP On Apr 7, 9:12 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I've posted a little preview, perhaps worth a look: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/sdcbs-preview/ Folks, also - our ride is featured also on the Rough Riders site. Thanks, Chris! http://www.xo-1.org/2010/04/rough-riders-rally-on-adventure-cycling.html Looking forward to it. We'll take lots of photos for those of you who can't make it. By the way, Riv was thinking of coming down for the show. Maybe next year! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 6, 6:52 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I might have mentioned it... :-) On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: David - didn't you *suggest* (ie. peer pressure) me to add it to the SDCBS website!? Hopefully the old Volvo makes it down from SF just fine on Saturday (knock on wood trim on the dash). This will be a fun day. Come on down! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Serious promotion! The pressure's on, Esteban! On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:55 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: With that listing, the turnout may exceed last years.by a lot! Next thing we'll need are route slips. See you Sunday. Hey, this will be 3 Riv rides in 3 weeks - cool! dougP On Apr 5, 10:38 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Our ride is onvthe show website! http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ Esteban Sam Diego, Calif. On Apr 5, 7:44 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, yeah. That too. Most of my rides were early in the morning, so that wasn't as much a distraction. Also had a fun time watching some dolphins play in the surf. Something you definitely cannot see around here. Although on my ride around Lake Pepin on the Hillborne, saw more bald eagles than I have in the past few years near Maiden Rock (the feature, not the town). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 4, 10:21 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Still in the Bay Area (down mid-week to teach, then up here later this week for a conference -- whew! I guess the 'quake was upgraded to a 7.2. The San Diego/Tijuana megalopolis shrugs it off. My mother reported, like Dustin, that it was quite a shake. 30 seconds. So... the SDCBS is STILL ON!!! Eric - when I ride along the boardwalk in Mission Beach, I must admit, its not the houses I'm gawking at. I like the visions your memories
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I want it! I was going to try the same thing, but never got around to it. Thanks On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: A fellow named Dave Adams derived a formula that approximates Frank Berto's measured tire drop, and made an Excel file that uses it. He's given me permission to pass the xls file on, if anyone besides David wants it. You input your weight + gear, your tire size, and the percent of bike weight on the rear wheel. It gives you recommended pressures for front and rear tires. My sample of two (Quickbeam and low-trail Ross) showed that the BQ figures for normal and low-trail rear/front weight distributions were spot-on: 60/40 and 55/45 respectively, so the only difficulty would be wrestling your loaded bike into the bathroom to stand on the scale with it! So if you want to play with the file, let me know. Philip On Apr 7, 10:13 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Thanks all for such great feedback and advice. By air matress I meant the Big Agnes Air Core Sleeping Pad that goes inside the sleeve in the BA sleeping bags. I read many great reviews about this combo, and it felt to be a very light versatile setup. By separate e-mail I've also received feedback that some people don't like this setup, but I've never used it so I guess I'm going to try it and see how it feels. I think I'm going to get the RBW Vapor Barrier Liner to extend the temperature range of the bag, as well as make sure I bring dry wool socks, a beanie and some wool underwear just in case. I wanted a versatile solution that wouldn't be too warm in the summer; my son and I are pretty warm sleepers and I hate waking up all sweaty. If the combo doesn't work out, I will return it and exchange it for another typer/brand. I think the warm chocolate in the morning makes a lot of sense, so I'll be looking into a small stove/unit based on all the multiple suggestions and recommendations that have been going around. I think, just like some have said, it's going to be great and we're going to be learning along the way. May end up exchanging the tent to a 3 person tent; my college daughter in Berkeley, upon hearing the news, said she'd also love to come camping. My wife isn't really the camping sort, and she said she would wait until I had it all figured out. With her, I believe it's going to eventually be car camping, as she doesn't ride a bike at all and probably won't want to go really backpacking either. I'll have to figure out how to get a bike that can be loaded for my daughter to use, and eventually my son to inherit as he grows up... :-) Grant provided me with a great minimum set up list that I'm going to use as my starting point. I may stop by RBW if I get a chance, to see if they help me configure the load on my Bombadil. But, to someone else's point, I won't worry too much about how to load the bike and/or whether I end up walking it up the hills or not. I'm actually looking forward to this new adventure very much. Thanks for all the feedback! René On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Thanks for this, Jim! Great article. On Apr 8, 9:46 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: While the gear recommendations above are worth your consideration, and could make a few recommendations of products and strategies that have worked ok for me, I believe you will learn best by doing. The beauty of a S24O is that you only have to live with your mistakes for 24 hours or less. I recently linked this old Dirt Rag article about, shall we say, bare-bones touring on the HC blog, and I think it's worth a few minutes of reading for the perspective. http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article-print.php?ID=859 On Apr 8, 4:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I think the warm chocolate in the morning makes a lot of sense, so I'll be looking into a small stove/unit based on all the multiple suggestions and recommendations that have been going around. If all you want is a hot drink, the adorable little Esbit stove which Riv sells, or at least used to sell, is perfect. Weighs almost nothing. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Another option for a hot drink in the morning is a good thermos. cheers, Andrew From: rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 5:03:55 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way I want it! I was going to try the same thing, but never got around to it. Thanks On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: A fellow named Dave Adams derived a formula that approximates Frank Berto's measured tire drop, and made an Excel file that uses it. He's given me permission to pass the xls file on, if anyone besides David wants it. You input your weight + gear, your tire size, and the percent of bike weight on the rear wheel. It gives you recommended pressures for front and rear tires. My sample of two (Quickbeam and low-trail Ross) showed that the BQ figures for normal and low-trail rear/front weight distributions were spot-on: 60/40 and 55/45 respectively, so the only difficulty would be wrestling your loaded bike into the bathroom to stand on the scale with it! So if you want to play with the file, let me know. Philip On Apr 7, 10:13 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
Whew, I blew that one. I guess I had the wrong message highlighted when I hit the reply button. The message below is supposed to be on this thread. Another option for a hot drink in the morning is a good thermos. cheers, Andrew From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 5:02:47 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie! Thanks all for such great feedback and advice. By air matress I meant the Big Agnes Air Core Sleeping Pad that goes inside the sleeve in the BA sleeping bags. I read many great reviews about this combo, and it felt to be a very light versatile setup. By separate e-mail I've also received feedback that some people don't like this setup, but I've never used it so I guess I'm going to try it and see how it feels. I think I'm going to get the RBW Vapor Barrier Liner to extend the temperature range of the bag, as well as make sure I bring dry wool socks, a beanie and some wool underwear just in case. I wanted a versatile solution that wouldn't be too warm in the summer; my son and I are pretty warm sleepers and I hate waking up all sweaty. If the combo doesn't work out, I will return it and exchange it for another typer/brand. I think the warm chocolate in the morning makes a lot of sense, so I'll be looking into a small stove/unit based on all the multiple suggestions and recommendations that have been going around. I think, just like some have said, it's going to be great and we're going to be learning along the way. May end up exchanging the tent to a 3 person tent; my college daughter in Berkeley, upon hearing the news, said she'd also love to come camping. My wife isn't really the camping sort, and she said she would wait until I had it all figured out. With her, I believe it's going to eventually be car camping, as she doesn't ride a bike at all and probably won't want to go really backpacking either. I'll have to figure out how to get a bike that can be loaded for my daughter to use, and eventually my son to inherit as he grows up... :-) Grant provided me with a great minimum set up list that I'm going to use as my starting point. I may stop by RBW if I get a chance, to see if they help me configure the load on my Bombadil. But, to someone else's point, I won't worry too much about how to load the bike and/or whether I end up walking it up the hills or not. I'm actually looking forward to this new adventure very much. Thanks for all the feedback! René On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Thanks for this, Jim! Great article. On Apr 8, 9:46 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: While the gear recommendations above are worth your consideration, and could make a few recommendations of products and strategies that have worked ok for me, I believe you will learn best by doing. The beauty of a S24O is that you only have to live with your mistakes for 24 hours or less. I recently linked this old Dirt Rag article about, shall we say, bare-bones touring on the HC blog, and I think it's worth a few minutes of reading for the perspective.http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article-print.php?ID=859 On Apr 8, 4:17 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear
[RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
If you use a foam pad or inflatable foam pad an air mattress is redundant. Who would do something like that? ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 2:21 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 8, 9:57 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Michael_S wrote, in part: ...You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight bags too... Yep indeedy! I used a big comfy air mattress on my last supported tour and half froze to death! Is there an insulating ground cloth or panel that could be used under it or do I need another mattress? Actually, you need the insulation on top of the air mattress. The air in an air mattress will begin a circular movement, and the convection will continuously carry body warmth away from the surface of the mattress. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I'm curious about the spreadsheet, too. Send it on! One of the lessons from testing tires was that the exact right pressure is not that important on bikes. It does seem to matter on automobile/truck tires, ruining gas mileage and overheating the tire causing spectacular explosions at highway speed, etc. I used to be very careful to inflate to the exact pressure marked on the tire before every ride, using a really accurate tire gauge, and now I don't worry so long as it feels OK. I went to Ikea and got two really cheap bathroom scales to measure the weight distribution of my bikes (and for other projects), that's the kind of geek I am... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: A fellow named Dave Adams derived a formula that approximates Frank Berto's measured tire drop, and made an Excel file that uses it. He's given me permission to pass the xls file on, if anyone besides David wants it. You input your weight + gear, your tire size, and the percent of bike weight on the rear wheel. It gives you recommended pressures for front and rear tires. My sample of two (Quickbeam and low-trail Ross) showed that the BQ figures for normal and low-trail rear/front weight distributions were spot-on: 60/40 and 55/45 respectively, so the only difficulty would be wrestling your loaded bike into the bathroom to stand on the scale with it! So if you want to play with the file, let me know. Philip On Apr 7, 10:13 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I'd like a copy as well. Seeing as there are two scales in my house, I can actually get on the bike with one under each wheel and get a good assessment. Being heavy, I've always pumped my tires to the max on the tire's sidewall, but now that I'm riding wider tires, I wonder if that is the right thing to do. René On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about the spreadsheet, too. Send it on! One of the lessons from testing tires was that the exact right pressure is not that important on bikes. It does seem to matter on automobile/truck tires, ruining gas mileage and overheating the tire causing spectacular explosions at highway speed, etc. I used to be very careful to inflate to the exact pressure marked on the tire before every ride, using a really accurate tire gauge, and now I don't worry so long as it feels OK. I went to Ikea and got two really cheap bathroom scales to measure the weight distribution of my bikes (and for other projects), that's the kind of geek I am... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: A fellow named Dave Adams derived a formula that approximates Frank Berto's measured tire drop, and made an Excel file that uses it. He's given me permission to pass the xls file on, if anyone besides David wants it. You input your weight + gear, your tire size, and the percent of bike weight on the rear wheel. It gives you recommended pressures for front and rear tires. My sample of two (Quickbeam and low-trail Ross) showed that the BQ figures for normal and low-trail rear/front weight distributions were spot-on: 60/40 and 55/45 respectively, so the only difficulty would be wrestling your loaded bike into the bathroom to stand on the scale with it! So if you want to play with the file, let me know. Philip On Apr 7, 10:13 pm, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!
There’s lots of great advice posted already. FWIW…I’m 6’6” 225, I could have made a REI Quarter Dome work and possibly added a smaller camper with me that I liked a lot i.e. wife or son, especially for one night. I bought a Kelty Pagosa 2-man because it was 90 inches long. So I agree with the two person tent. You will go on solo missions and be glad to not have the 3-person for weight purposes although it’s nice to have the extra room. Ditto on the small camp stove…I bought a Jet-Boil and I’m drinking coffee or coco in no-time at all. It boils a liter ridiculously fast. Instant Oatmeal is fast easy, light and I find it tasty day or night. Add a little jerky and you’re gourmet dining. I have a therm-a-rest foam pad, can’t speak to the Big Agnes. Wool beanie for the head will aid in warmth considerably. You’ll undoubtedly pack too much, but you’ll learn each time you go. Have fun. I’m envious of you Californians…It takes me a bit of distance to get out of Chicago to someplace interesting… but then the journey is the treat. _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie! I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat. I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for my son. Here is my list of questions... :-) 1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook; we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time. 2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak, but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers. I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this new dimension. Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late. Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot from all of you, and continue to do so... René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:12 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: I'd like a copy as well. Seeing as there are two scales in my house, I can actually get on the bike with one under each wheel and get a good assessment. Being heavy, I've always pumped my tires to the max on the tire's sidewall, but now that I'm riding wider tires, I wonder if that is the right thing to do. It's very likely not the right thing to do. Many of the wide 700Cs intended for hybrid use have astonishingly high pressures on their sidewalls. At ~200 lb I comfortably and safely use 32mm tires at around 70 psi -- a little less in front, a little more in back, and never have pinch flats. I've seen 35 and 38mm hybrid tires marked 100 psi or even higher; I use 50 psi for 650B tires of the same width. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Yep, thats us http://tinyurl.com/disheveledrivs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:31, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: I’m for it. Helmet visor mount. I can see lots more than with a h-bar mounted one, just by turning my head a bit. Sometimes when I’m off the bike, I find myself swiveling my head about to get a better look behind me, wishing I had a rear-view mirror all the time. Same here. I'm tempted to switch to eyeglass-mounted mirrors for that reason. I use a helmet-mounted mirror, and absolutely recommend them to anyone who rides in traffic, cares about their safety and the quality of their riding, and wants every advantage they can get. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
I used the Riv German mirror on my two camping trips last year. Properly adjusted, it helps you see much further behind than a quick head turn. As for helmet - don't wear helmets. Nor do I like a lot of weight on my nose. My ultra light Ti Rx sunglasses annoy my nose as it is. A glasses mounted mirror would not help. So handlebar it is. On Apr 8, 6:37 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 9:19 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: Mirrors: for or against? Handlebar or helmet mounted? Thanks. Not against, but don't want, so in *that* sense against. That is part of my desire over the years to divest myself of cycling encumbrances (except multiple bikes): mirrors, helmet, gloves, padded shorts, special jerseys, sunglasses -- tho' I have, shamefacedly, gone back to SPDs and Looks and thus special shoes. I tried mirrors once upon a while, and found myself looking backward anyway, just to be sure, so I gave them up in any case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
The Schwalbe Marathon Supremes have a max recommended pressure of 85 psi. That seems to be irrespective of the size (I have the 35 on the AHH and the 50 on the Bombadil). I end up pumping the rear one to about 80 and the front one to about 70, and then pretty much don't pump them again for a month or so. The Schwalbe tubes seem to hold air for a very long time, and I notice how as the weeks pass, the ride becomes softer and then hardens up a bit again after I pump them back up. It's hard for me to tell which pressure is the most effective one, as the harder pressure makes the bike seem faster due to the additional vibration that they transmit. Not a big deal, but if the spreadsheet is made available, then I'd use it as a guide. I tore my front Marathon Supreme 700x2.0 on a broken bottle while riding in the rain with my Bombadil, so for the past week I've been commuting on the Marathon Extreme 700x40. I have to say that they ride extremely nice on the pavement and I'd be hard pressed to tell which one I prefer. I have now received a replacement tire and since I have two wheelsets, I may try to do a comparison, although I think it'll be fruitless. I'd still want to know what would the optimal pressure for each tire should be as a starting point. I don't think that pumping them up to the same pressure would be right. Then again, I may end up doing nothing of the sort and just riding them without knowing which one I really prefer... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wool Leg Warmers
Thanks to all who replied, I'll definitely look into those suggestions! -Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:17 PM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: I use a helmet-mounted mirror, and absolutely recommend them to anyone who rides in traffic, cares about their safety and the quality of their riding, and wants every advantage they can get. But ... not all who care greatly about the safety and quality and anxiety-free quality of their very urban traffic riding choose to use mirrors; not quarreling, just pointing out the fact. (Beside, not wearing glasses or helmet, and finding bar mount mirrors useless ...) Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTT: Thomson Elite 27.2 X 300mm with setback for same in straight post.
Used, but in good condition. Had it with a Brooks, but sold that and need a straight post with the new saddle. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4484143237/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I use the expanded on on Philip's blog, and that's what got me thinking. I've already figured out my weight and distribution in order to use, but switch tires around so much. Was thinking a little calculator would be pretty straight forward, and now it looks like it is. Thanks Philip!!! Doug: I have to do something when not riding the bike... might as well tinker! On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, jan_heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: Jan: would it be possible to develop an app that calculated recommended tire pressure based on weight tire size similar to the chart you previously ran? That would be a wonderful tool to have on the website. The chart is available online (see our samples page)... http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/samples.html Somebody could develop an app for it, I am sure. (Don't ask me - I already spend 50-65 hours a week putting together the next BQ...) However, the chart is only a starting point anyhow, and the hard part is measuring how much weight you have on each wheel. Once you have that value, going to the chart and figuring out the correct pressure for your tire is the easy part. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Advice Offered
On Apr 8, 8:08 am, clevewh...@gmail.com clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: I used my Rambouillet last year for a small tour and found the brakes to be insufficient - too flexy. If I use it again I'm going to switch to Paul Centerpulls. Everything else worked fine as the Ram is not too lightweight and, in my opinion, able to carry a moderate load. Touring is my favorite subject! My wife has been on 4 long tours with her Ram heavily loaded. She’s had it since 2002 and is now the only bike she rides for all circumstances. And dare I admit to this group, she never puts anything wider than 27c tires on it. (Ruffy Tuffy). Actually with fenders she has no choice, nothing larger fits, but even if she did, why mess with something that works? The only negative issue she has ever reported is that TCO is pretty severe with the fenders on. (Hers is a 58c.) This sometimes can cause her a problem biking very slowly up a steep dirt road with all that gear. If the gravel is soft she’ll get off and walk because of this. But she has never experienced a ride or mechanical issue whatsoever. Side pull brakes have been fine. She doesn't ever even seem to get flats, I know for sure neither of us have flatted on our last two tours (again I’ll credit the Ruffy Tuffys pumped to 100psi). I have never had to true a spoke in either of her wheels. Maybe she’s just lucky, but the Ram is a great and stable bike, and I don’t think you should be afraid to trust your on a tour. (My bikes through the years have always been problematic - that’s why I finally got a Riv in 2007.) One other piece of advice I can offer up after 18 self supported tours. Stability (and lack of shimmy) for me always equates to avoiding putting too much weight too high on the rear rack. Back/ front weight ratios do not seem to be that important, nor does the height of things on the front rack, or even what I have packed where in the packs. But consistently I notice that if I pile a wet tent and other gear too high on my rear rack the steering get squirrely. This has been the case for me on several different bikes, even my new Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Rentals in San Francisco/Oakland
Thanks eflayer and Cheryl. I'll take a look at both your suggestions. Most bike rental places offer mainly hybrid or cruiser bikes, if I'm not mistaken. Would anyone know of a place that offers up steel bikes, road or touring? We plan on making a trip to Rivendell as well as a few other great shops like Jitensha in the Bay area. Any other shop recommendations? On Apr 8, 12:33 am, Cheryl cherony...@gmail.com wrote: The Presidio Sports Basement in San Francisco rents bikes. They're very close to the Golden Gate Bridge, which is nice if you plan to head over it. On Apr 7, 3:32 pm, mookie harmo...@gmail.com wrote: Me and my friend will be heading to the Bay Area next week for food, friends and of course, biking excursions. Does anyone knew of a good bike rental shop or if any fellow RBW people have bikes they could rent to us? We're looking for 54cm and 52cm sized frames (maybe 56cm) if possible. We'll pay good money to rent good bikes to travel around the area while we're there! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendel l Ride! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Yeah, laugh it up fuzz ball... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=related On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Yep, thats us http://tinyurl.com/disheveledrivs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
ah my copy arrived today along with the April edition of Adventure Cyclist. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 7:29 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The Schwalbe Marathon Supremes have a max recommended pressure of 85 psi. That seems to be irrespective of the size (I have the 35 on the AHH and the 50 on the Bombadil). I end up pumping the rear one to about 80 and the front one to about 70, and then pretty much don't pump them again for a month or so. The Schwalbe tubes seem to hold air for a very long time, and I notice how as the weeks pass, the ride becomes softer and then hardens up a bit again after I pump them back up. It's hard for me to tell which pressure is the most effective one, as the harder pressure makes the bike seem faster due to the additional vibration that they transmit. Not a big deal, but if the spreadsheet is made available, then I'd use it as a guide. I tore my front Marathon Supreme 700x2.0 on a broken bottle while riding in the rain with my Bombadil, so for the past week I've been commuting on the Marathon Extreme 700x40. I have to say that they ride extremely nice on the pavement and I'd be hard pressed to tell which one I prefer. I have now received a replacement tire and since I have two wheelsets, I may try to do a comparison, although I think it'll be fruitless. I'd still want to know what would the optimal pressure for each tire should be as a starting point. I don't think that pumping them up to the same pressure would be right. Then again, I may end up doing nothing of the sort and just riding them without knowing which one I really prefer... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
I think I resemble that remark. gunna throw some 700x35 Paselas on the hillborne for a while and bring it Sunday. those smart sams are great for the dirt but mixed terrain rides are betta on fat road tires. I was workin on the Bstone T700 but not sure I'll get it rideable by Sunday. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 8:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, laugh it up fuzz ball... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=related On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Yep, thats us http://tinyurl.com/disheveledrivs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendel l Ride! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
Don't we all!!! On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think I resemble that remark. gunna throw some 700x35 Paselas on the hillborne for a while and bring it Sunday. those smart sams are great for the dirt but mixed terrain rides are betta on fat road tires. I was workin on the Bstone T700 but not sure I'll get it rideable by Sunday. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 8:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, laugh it up fuzz ball... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=related On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Yep, thats us http://tinyurl.com/disheveledrivs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
I'd love it if all the back issues were sold in some sort of bound edition by year. On Apr 6, 4:51 pm, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Jan, I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them. Looking forward to your next book, too. Please keep up the great work. Alex Moll Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WAS: Touring Advice NOW: Mirror Poll
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 20:20, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: But ... not all who care greatly about the safety and quality and anxiety-free quality of their very urban traffic riding choose to use mirrors; not quarreling, just pointing out the fact. (Beside, not wearing glasses or helmet, and finding bar mount mirrors useless ...) Okay, but I still recommend them to you. And you continue to defy me! You need a headband-mount mirror. James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Spring 2010 VBQ on the way
Getting my issues bound is on my to do list... On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:47 PM, BartF bartfelici...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love it if all the back issues were sold in some sort of bound edition by year. On Apr 6, 4:51 pm, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Jan, I thoroughly enjoy BQ exactly the way it is. I hope it continues for many years. I bought all the back issues, and continue to re-read them frequently. These are not disposable periodicals. Along with the Rivendell Reader, they are reference materials - and I treasure them. Looking forward to your next book, too. Please keep up the great work. Alex Moll Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom BIcycle Show Rivendell Ri de! Apr. 11 Mixie •Velo Cult •Beer
The dirt sections are short... Ride what you got! On Apr 8, 9:18 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't we all!!! On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think I resemble that remark. gunna throw some 700x35 Paselas on the hillborne for a while and bring it Sunday. those smart sams are great for the dirt but mixed terrain rides are betta on fat road tires. I was workin on the Bstone T700 but not sure I'll get it rideable by Sunday. ~Mike~ On Apr 8, 8:44 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, laugh it up fuzz ball... http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=1f6Xc3PsOkcfeature=related On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: A rustic person short on hygiene and personal appearance - disheveled and perhaps odorous. Yep, thats us http://tinyurl.com/disheveledrivs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
