[RBW] Re: OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[Philip Williamson]

I use the P "program" option on my Sony 828 ("vintage!") to force a
higher ISO. Lighting at bike shows generally blows, but museum
lighting is much better.
OT on your OT - I've learned to try to shoot the builder's name first
(headbadge, downtube or booth banner), then a full bike picture, then
the details. The full-bike picture usually has a blown-out highlight
right across the builder's name ("Biloxi? Bildung? Bilenky?")  I'm
always surprised by the cool stuff I completely missed when I was
actually standing in front of the bike.

I also like to take pictures (bandito portraiture) of people at
museums and parades, but I've never done it at bike shows.
 Philip



On May 13, 6:39 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> Arts and Design.
>
> Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> to be found.
>
> There is a knob on top with picture settings.  On the knob is the word
> Auto (which is how I have always used it)  But there are also a P, A,
> S M, M in some sort of a box, and Scene.
>
> A lot of you here seem to be quite camera handy.  It seems to me
> perhaps one of these settings may be better than the other for taking
> photos in a modern museum setting.   But which?
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Re: [RBW] paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

[cyclotourist]

If I was getting a new bike, I'd definitely get the braze-on models.

The one downside I should mention so as not to seem biased:  Once you try
them, you'll never want any other kind of brakes!

Really, they're just great.  Thanks for making 'em!


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Paul Price  wrote:

> Hey-
>
> Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. If you ever get a chance
> the braze-on version is really nice. It adds a level of stiffness and
> aesthetics.
>
> The Racer M(edium) is poised to kick butt on anything out there. It just
> adds power the stronger you squeeze it, and looks cool too. I have a Salsa
> Cassaroll with them and 45mm fenders and 32mm tires with absolutely no
> clearance issues and no fender squeezing either.
>
> Paul
>
> On May 13, 2010, at 10:16 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> I have Neos on a 700c and Racers on a 650b.  LOVE both of them.  Just as
> strong, no brake squeal at all with either.  Just perfect brakes.  They are
> both able to adjust each side as needed, although I've never touched the
> Racers.  Racers would win in a shoot out for best brake due to that.  Mine
> are the kind that have the adapter mount, not brazed on posts.
>
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J C  wrote:
>
>> Hello hip listers,
>>
>>
>> Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would
>> you compare them to the neo retros?  Do you know if the racer m brake works
>> if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring
>> tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides?  They look like it in the
>> photos.
>>
>> Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers?  Have you seen any
>> chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes?  Would you
>> buy them again?  Are you using them on 700c wheels?
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, Ginz. I got hold of a '92 Bstone catalog (still have
92-93-94) and fell in love with the XO-1 mostly because of those M-
bars. I ended up with a '94 XO-3 when they closed their doors...and
hated those bars with a passion. I still think they're gorgeous..as
long as I don't have to touch them.

On May 13, 11:56 am, Ginz  wrote:
> My nostalgia is at this level:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798...
>
> I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the
> urban bike nerd.  Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes
> equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my
> lust for the XO-1 is pretty low.  I certainly do not lust for the
> loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my
> XO-2.
>
> I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be
> far, far, far lower.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed
> for Hunqapillar-ville.  For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the
> basement.
>
> Ginz
>
> On May 13, 2:31 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
> > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag...
>
> > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
> > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
> > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
> > more, a lot more, but still.
>
> > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
> > "Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
> > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
> > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
> > for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
> > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
> > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
>
> > So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
> > Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
> > relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
> > into something else?
>
> > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
> > basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
> > place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
> > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
> > but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
> > that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
> > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
> > nearly everything on it.
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Re: [RBW] paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

[Paul Price]

Hey-

Thanks for that. We're pretty proud of our brakes. If you ever get a  
chance the braze-on version is really nice. It adds a level of  
stiffness and aesthetics.


The Racer M(edium) is poised to kick butt on anything out there. It  
just adds power the stronger you squeeze it, and looks cool too. I  
have a Salsa Cassaroll with them and 45mm fenders and 32mm tires with  
absolutely no clearance issues and no fender squeezing either.


Paul
On May 13, 2010, at 10:16 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

I have Neos on a 700c and Racers on a 650b.  LOVE both of them.   
Just as strong, no brake squeal at all with either.  Just perfect  
brakes.  They are both able to adjust each side as needed, although  
I've never touched the Racers.  Racers would win in a shoot out for  
best brake due to that.  Mine are the kind that have the adapter  
mount, not brazed on posts.



On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J C  wrote:
Hello hip listers,


Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes?  
How would you compare them to the neo retros?  Do you know if the  
racer m brake works if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side  
or another- eg is the spring tension on the brakes adjustable on  
both sides?  They look like it in the photos.


Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers?  Have you  
seen any chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u  
brakes?  Would you buy them again?  Are you using them on 700c wheels?


Thanks for the help

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[cyclotourist]

I hopped on the B-stone bandwagon just as they were shutting down in '94.
Always wanted an XO-1 as I missed out on the BOB firesale.  Was able to get
a new MB-2 on dp discount from Beverly Hills Bicycle.  Damn fine bike
BTW.  I also had a used RB-T as well, which was tremendous amounts of fun to
ride on the fire roads.  In fact, my All-Rounder is kind of a beefed up
version of that.  I almost spent some silly money on a used XO-1 at one
point, but luckily realized that a 59 was just too small for me!

So long/short, I like seeing folks buying these and using them.  I think
$1500 or even $2K for a brand new one is a good purchase for a iconic yet
usable and versatile bike.  Would buying a Sam be a better investment?
Probably so, but it's pretty cool having a NOS orange B-stone!

Here's two of 'em being ridden as they should be:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4513929848/


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Ginz  wrote:

> My nostalgia is at this level:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798282/
>
> I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the
> urban bike nerd.  Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes
> equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my
> lust for the XO-1 is pretty low.  I certainly do not lust for the
> loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my
> XO-2.
>
> I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be
> far, far, far lower.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed
> for Hunqapillar-ville.  For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the
> basement.
>
> Ginz
>
> On May 13, 2:31 pm, William  wrote:
> > I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
> > a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag...
> >
> > I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
> > people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
> > course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
> > more, a lot more, but still.
> >
> > The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
> > "Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
> > on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
> > the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
> > for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
> > at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
> > own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
> >
> > So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
> > Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
> > relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
> > into something else?
> >
> > For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
> > basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
> > place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
> > nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
> > but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
> > that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
> > month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
> > nearly everything on it.
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Re: [RBW] paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

[cyclotourist]

I have Neos on a 700c and Racers on a 650b.  LOVE both of them.  Just as
strong, no brake squeal at all with either.  Just perfect brakes.  They are
both able to adjust each side as needed, although I've never touched the
Racers.  Racers would win in a shoot out for best brake due to that.  Mine
are the kind that have the adapter mount, not brazed on posts.


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J C  wrote:

> Hello hip listers,
>
>
> Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would
> you compare them to the neo retros?  Do you know if the racer m brake works
> if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring
> tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides?  They look like it in the
> photos.
>
> Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers?  Have you seen any
> chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes?  Would you
> buy them again?  Are you using them on 700c wheels?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
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[RBW] paul's racer brakes vs cantis questions

[J C]

Hello hip listers,


Do any of you use the Paul's racer or the racer m(edium) brakes? How would
you compare them to the neo retros?  Do you know if the racer m brake works
if the centerpull is a bit skewed to one side or another- eg is the spring
tension on the brakes adjustable on both sides?  They look like it in the
photos.

Do you have any brake squeal issues using the racers?  Have you seen any
chain stay mounted versions- are they just glorified u brakes?  Would you
buy them again?  Are you using them on 700c wheels?

Thanks for the help

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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Ginz]

My nostalgia is at this level:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theginz/3560678107/in/set-72157618745798282/

I think that the exuberence for the '93 XO-1 is held mainly by the
urban bike nerd.  Having personally ridden a m'stach bar, bikes
equipped with Rivendell-supplied parts, and an orange frame or two, my
lust for the XO-1 is pretty low.  I certainly do not lust for the
loose bearing bottom bracket and squealing Dia Compe 986 canti's of my
XO-2.

I still say that if the XO's were not orange, the exuberence would be
far, far, far lower.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm a huge XO fan. But, for my money, I'm headed
for Hunqapillar-ville.  For now, my XO-2 rests comfortably in the
basement.

Ginz

On May 13, 2:31 pm, William  wrote:
> I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
> a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag...
>
> I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
> people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
> course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
> more, a lot more, but still.
>
> The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
> "Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
> on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
> the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
> for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
> at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
> own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
>
> So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
> Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
> relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
> into something else?
>
> For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
> basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
> place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
> nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
> but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
> that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
> month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
> nearly everything on it.
>
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[swenindy]

I wanted one badly when they came out.  It was the time I was getting
into serious riding and, wow, I wanted a 59cm orange one just like the
one in the auction!  Didn't have the money then, passed on a chance
around 2000 to buy a NOS frame and fork for $400 (seemed too
expensive, now I wish I'd sprung for it).  I'd still love to own one,
but I'd buy that Canti-Rom also on ebay right now for a bit more today
without question.  I'd be happy to drop $2-300 on a cool Bridgestone
bike if I found one.  I'd build it as a vintage rider (RB-1 or RB-2, a
tall-framed MB-1 or 2, a cool XO of some kind, etc.), but I'd do the
same for many cool late 80s and early 90s Japanese built bikes and
would surely buy an early Specialized Allez or Sequoia just as fast
(especially those first years when they were built by 3rensho!).

swen (looking for an early Allez or Sequoia in 59 or 60cm)



On May 13, 2:31 pm, William  wrote:
> I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
> a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag...
>
> I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
> people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
> course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
> more, a lot more, but still.
>
> The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
> "Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
> on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
> the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
> for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
> at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
> own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
>
> So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
> Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
> relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
> into something else?
>
> For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
> basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
> place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
> nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
> but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
> that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
> month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
> nearly everything on it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[CycloFiend]

on 5/13/10 1:41 PM, John Speare at johnspe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've had many bridgestones (93 X0-1, 92 RBT, 91 RBT, 90 MB2, 91 CB-0,
> 93 RB1, 94 RB1, and a few other CB-x's passed through too) -- I agree
> with the assesment that these were pretty poorly constructed bikes,
> especially at the bottom bracket. I'm pretty sure they were machine
> brazed at the bottom bracket, and I'd love to hear Grant throw in on
> that, though I can understand why he wouldn't.

Actually, he did make a reference to this in Rivendell Reader #32, in the
article "Some Bridgestone Bikes"

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/#rr32bridgestone

second page of the scanned article has the bb shell.

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)

[CycloFiend]

on 5/13/10 12:57 PM, James Dinneen at jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I think that Ron Lau (sp?) converted a Quickbeam to 650B. It was in the
> gallery at one point.  Jim D. Massachusetts

yep - 

http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc007-ronlau0505.html

and Rich at RBW also has (or at least had) one.

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/

with some ref's to the aforementioned Silver model, too.

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Review & Images

[Michael Niemi]

Nice review.

How do the shifters work with that sort of cable routing?

Best,

Michael Niemi
Ann Arbor

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Re: [RBW] Re: atlantis diffs J vs USA

[Rene Sterental]

I'm sure these will have no trouble staying on the right side of the road...

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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Lynne Fitz]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.  I'll have 2 650B bikes in a
month or two.  There will be tires, there will be wheels.  Fine fine,
all will be fine.

:-)
Lynne "although I would like some more Michelin Axial Raids :-) " F

On May 13, 7:16 pm, Ken Mattina  wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, RayO  wrote:
> > Ken,
> > What does industrial mayonaise taste like?
>
> Miracle Whip!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 10:17 am, Ken Mattina  wrote:
> > > Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
> > > industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari
> > > motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b
> > tire
> > > known to mankind.
>
> > > Also I have an extra unused 650b wheelset.  I have two hubsets that I
> > want
> > > to have built up for my 650b stockpile.
>
> > > Funny you say?
>
> > > Go ahead and laugh you fools.
>
> > > We'll see who's laughing after the 650b apocalypse.
>
> > > Ken
>
> > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sean Whelan  > >wrote:
>
> > > > Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
>
> > > >http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
> > > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> > thill@gmail.com>*wrote:
>
> > > > From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
> > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM
>
> > > > Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
> > > > in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
> > > > "stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
> > > > to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
> > > > temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
> > > > the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
> > > > tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).
>
> > > > Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
> > > > I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
> > > > some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
> > > > controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
> > > > wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
> > > > in some way.
>
> > > > On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito  > http://mc/compose?to=esp...@guagua.org>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> > > > > light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> > > > > is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> > > > > On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> > thill@gmail.com
>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily
> > ventured
> > > > > > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > > > > > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[JoelMatthews]

Thanks all, very helpful indeed.

I see also I need typing ADVICE.  The camera is a device and I am
seeking advice on how to use it.

On May 13, 8:58 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 18:39 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> > Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> > Arts and Design.
>
> > Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> > recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> > to be found.
>
> If you know the model, you may be able to find a digital copy of the
> manual online.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Ken Mattina]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, RayO  wrote:

> Ken,
> What does industrial mayonaise taste like?
>


Miracle Whip!




>
> On May 13, 10:17 am, Ken Mattina  wrote:
> > Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
> > industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari
> > motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b
> tire
> > known to mankind.
> >
> > Also I have an extra unused 650b wheelset.  I have two hubsets that I
> want
> > to have built up for my 650b stockpile.
> >
> > Funny you say?
> >
> > Go ahead and laugh you fools.
> >
> > We'll see who's laughing after the 650b apocalypse.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sean Whelan  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
> >
> > >http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
> >
> > > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thill@gmail.com>*wrote:
> >
> > > From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
> > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM
> >
> > > Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
> > > in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
> > > "stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
> > > to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
> > > temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
> > > the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
> > > tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).
> >
> > > Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
> > > I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
> > > some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
> > > controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
> > > wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
> > > in some way.
> >
> > > On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito  http://mc/compose?to=esp...@guagua.org>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> > > > light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> > > > is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
> >
> > > > On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thill@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily
> ventured
> > > > > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > > > > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[Boogarich]

Has anyone used the Tubus fork mounting adaptor kit?  I have a set but
have not used it yet.  My plan is to mount these adaptors on my
Atlantis and then attach a Tubus Tara Rack.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Tubus_LM-1_Mounting_Set_For_Forks_W~O_Eyelets/5360025910/

On May 12, 2:28 pm, Lisa  wrote:
> Doug and Ray,
>
> I do like the two-rack solution for a fork with eyelets.  But since I
> don't have them, I'm going to try the Nitto Big Front rack.  I'm not
> ready to think about repainting the fork on a bike I haven't even
> ridden yet!
>
> Lisa
>
> On May 12, 12:58 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lisa:
>
> > One solution to the lack of mid fork eyelets on the Atlantis is to
> > simply add them as needed.  I've added standard rack hourglass eyelets
> > to the front of the fork legs for the Nitto small rack, and another
> > pair on the rear of the legs for the low rider rack I add for loaded
> > tours.  My Atlantis is 58 cm so everything has to come off to
> > pack'n'ship for a remote start tour.  I got sick of the Rubik's cube
> > problem of installing my bolt together front rack with U-clamps.
>
> > One caution is to locate the eyelets for maximum versatility in case
> > you may change racks.  See the TouringStore.com website for detailed
> > info but all racks are not alike.  This is the voice of experience as
> > I'm about to add another set of eyelets for my new rack.  BTW, the
> > paint job is history when you do this but Testors makes an almost
> > perfect match for the Atlantis color.  It fools most everyone except
> > my fussy Riv buds.
>
> > dougP
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Re: [RBW] OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 18:39 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> Arts and Design.
> 
> Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> to be found.


If you know the model, you may be able to find a digital copy of the
manual online.



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[John Blish]

Hi Joel,

If you start here:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support.asp

and click through the following menus according to which model Olympus
camera you have, you should be able to find you camera manual on line.

-jb

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Jim Cloud  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> The "Auto" setting on your Olympus camera will generally render
> results that are acceptable.  The other settings you've mentioned are
> P: program (similar to Auto); "A" Aperture Priority, you select the
> aperture setting and the camera will automatically set the appropriate
> shutter speed; "S" Shutter Priority, the opposite of Aperture
> Priority; you set the shutter speed and the camera provides the
> correct aperture; "M" Manual, you're on your own and must select the
> correct aperture and shutter speed.
>
> In general, "A" Aperture Priority is used frequently for landscape
> photography or Close-up photography when you want to control the depth
> of field.  "S" Shutter Priority is used to obtain stop action or a
> deliberately blurred effect for action photography.  "M" Manual
> setting is for control freaks who want complete creative control (but
> you better be experienced enough to know how to use this setting).
>
> Depending on your camera, you probably can find fairly comprehensive
> information on the controls by looking at one of the digital camera
> website (e.g. http://www.dpreview.com/ or http://www.imaging-resource.com/
> ).
>
> Good Luck,
> Jim
>
> On May 13, 6:39 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> > Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> > Arts and Design.
> >
> > Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> > recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> > to be found.
> >
> > There is a knob on top with picture settings.  On the knob is the word
> > Auto (which is how I have always used it)  But there are also a P, A,
> > S M, M in some sort of a box, and Scene.
> >
> > A lot of you here seem to be quite camera handy.  It seems to me
> > perhaps one of these settings may be better than the other for taking
> > photos in a modern museum setting.   But which?
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Re: [RBW] OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[Eric Norris]

See if there's a "party" or "indoor" setting under Scene.  I use that setting 
often when photographing indoors with other cameras (Nikon and Canon).  
Experiment and see what looks best!

--Eric

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On May 13, 2010, at 6:39 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:

> Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> Arts and Design.
> 
> Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> to be found.
> 
> There is a knob on top with picture settings.  On the knob is the word
> Auto (which is how I have always used it)  But there are also a P, A,
> S M, M in some sort of a box, and Scene.
> 
> A lot of you here seem to be quite camera handy.  It seems to me
> perhaps one of these settings may be better than the other for taking
> photos in a modern museum setting.   But which?
> 
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[RBW] Re: OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[Jim Cloud]

Joel,

The "Auto" setting on your Olympus camera will generally render
results that are acceptable.  The other settings you've mentioned are
P: program (similar to Auto); "A" Aperture Priority, you select the
aperture setting and the camera will automatically set the appropriate
shutter speed; "S" Shutter Priority, the opposite of Aperture
Priority; you set the shutter speed and the camera provides the
correct aperture; "M" Manual, you're on your own and must select the
correct aperture and shutter speed.

In general, "A" Aperture Priority is used frequently for landscape
photography or Close-up photography when you want to control the depth
of field.  "S" Shutter Priority is used to obtain stop action or a
deliberately blurred effect for action photography.  "M" Manual
setting is for control freaks who want complete creative control (but
you better be experienced enough to know how to use this setting).

Depending on your camera, you probably can find fairly comprehensive
information on the controls by looking at one of the digital camera
website (e.g. http://www.dpreview.com/ or http://www.imaging-resource.com/).

Good Luck,
Jim

On May 13, 6:39 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
> Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
> Arts and Design.
>
> Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
> recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
> to be found.
>
> There is a knob on top with picture settings.  On the knob is the word
> Auto (which is how I have always used it)  But there are also a P, A,
> S M, M in some sort of a box, and Scene.
>
> A lot of you here seem to be quite camera handy.  It seems to me
> perhaps one of these settings may be better than the other for taking
> photos in a modern museum setting.   But which?
>
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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[RayO]

Ken,
What does industrial mayonaise taste like?

On May 13, 10:17 am, Ken Mattina  wrote:
> Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
> industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari
> motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b tire
> known to mankind.
>
> Also I have an extra unused 650b wheelset.  I have two hubsets that I want
> to have built up for my 650b stockpile.
>
> Funny you say?
>
> Go ahead and laugh you fools.
>
> We'll see who's laughing after the 650b apocalypse.
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sean Whelan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
>
> >http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
> > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > *wrote:
>
> > From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM
>
> > Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
> > in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
> > "stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
> > to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
> > temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
> > the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
> > tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).
>
> > Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
> > I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
> > some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
> > controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
> > wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
> > in some way.
>
> > On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito 
> > http://mc/compose?to=esp...@guagua.org>>
> > wrote:
> > > Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> > > light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> > > is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> > > On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > > http://mc/compose?to=thill@gmail.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > > > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > > > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] OT: Going to Bespoke Bicycle Show - Need Camera Tech Device

[JoelMatthews]

Heading out to NYC for the weekend and first part of next week.
Definitely plan to visit the Bespoke Bicycle Exhibit at the Museum of
Arts and Design.

Last year someone gave me an Olympus digital camera.  In one of my mad
recycling binges, I must have recycled the brochure, as it is no where
to be found.

There is a knob on top with picture settings.  On the knob is the word
Auto (which is how I have always used it)  But there are also a P, A,
S M, M in some sort of a box, and Scene.

A lot of you here seem to be quite camera handy.  It seems to me
perhaps one of these settings may be better than the other for taking
photos in a modern museum setting.   But which?

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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[JoelMatthews]

> and does "event" mean "fragile?"  because it makes zero sense to have
> a 38mm tire that you can't ride off road and beat up a little.

Well you probably do not want to buy a set of Pari-Motos.

>From the posts Kirk wrote on the 650 forum it seemed pretty clear to
me he did not mean the tire for off road use.  (mine have still not
arrived so I cannot opine, but I see where James says his are very
soft).  Kirk has an off road tire already.  As far as I can tell, this
tire is intended for riding fast however relatively speaking on
pavement.

Finally, as best I know, I imagine there were a lot of other things
Kirk could have done with time to make money than putting together
this tires.  It is a tad harsh to suggest anyone is trying to build
marketing hype around something that may not do much more than break
even.

On May 13, 4:03 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 13, 3:56 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > However, I note the Rene Herse site says a fair percentage of its
> > bikes are ordered with Paris-Brest-Paris in mind. Presumably some of
> > those people will want to use the Pari-Moto.  I believe Kone, and
> > elsewhere Peter Weigle both suggested as much in discussions on the
> > tire.
>
> but what makes the "pari-moto" an "event" tire compared to other
> supple, performance tires?  is the rubber compound made partly of
> crushed paint chips from old singers and herses?  is the casing woven
> with hair samples from the world's great randonneurs?
>
> and does "event" mean "fragile?"  because it makes zero sense to have
> a 38mm tire that you can't ride off road and beat up a little.
>
> none of this is directed at you, Joel.  just general musings on this
> whole "event" marketing thing.  and i totally understand wanting to
> keep your good sneaks clean and all.
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[RBW] Re: atlantis diffs J vs USA

[doug peterson]

Won't the dimensions now be in English units instead of metric?

dougP

On May 13, 2:43 pm, William  wrote:
> Scott must be right.  Grant did not mention the American vs Japanese
> flux.  He's hiding something for sure.
>
> ***starts flux hoarding***
>
> On May 13, 2:33 pm, Grant Petersen  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Steve P sez:
> > I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
> > brand. I doubt the geometry would be changed.
>
> > He is right!
>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[doug peterson]

Rene:

That's quite a collection of nice racks.  Be hard to part with any of
them.  Don't forget that Lisa is looking for a Nitto Big Front.

dougP

On May 13, 11:38 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
>
> I placed an order for a Nova from Wiggle in England. Free shipping and cost
> of the rack is only $115 compared to $150+ here in the US. I think I'll go
> with that one and then reassess from there. I have yet to find some time to
> call RBW, but I'm likely going to be returning the Nitto Big Front Rack as I
> believe my needs will be well met by the Nova/Nitto Mini combo for now.
> Still... maybe I'll keep the Nitto just in case... :-) It's a beautiful rack
> and Ray's P-clamp solution is a good one as well. I still have my Tubus
> Cosmo that the Nitto Big Rear rack replaced, and haven't been able to decide
> to sell it. It's also a beautiful rack and I like it a lot as well. I used
> to have it on the AHH, and then removed it when I decided to go with the
> Sackville saddlebag medium in gray for my commutes. Unfortuately, I don't
> think that bag goes very well with the Nitto Big Rear rack, but will have to
> try it. I was using it on the Bombadil with the Nitto R-14 and it worked
> very well this way.
>
> Now if I can just find more free time... :-)
>
> René
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, doug peterson  wrote:
> > Rene:
>
> > I have the Duo but have not used the Nova.  My reason for the Duo is
> > the 2 pieces are separate & it makes easier packing for shipping.  My
> > total front load is usually under 25 lbs.  From the pix, the Nova
> > looks to have some adjustment, so there may be latitude in the eyelet
> > placement.  With the Duo, there are 3 sets of mounting holes on the
> > mid-fork bar so they eyelets have to be spot-on.  On
> > theTouringStore.com website, there's a big caution about the need for
> > specific dimensions on the eyelet placement and a warning that not all
> > mfgs are consistent.  I saw a couple of Surly LHTs last summer with
> > front racks where the pannier attachment bar was at something like a
> > 30 degree angle.  Front racks can get complex.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On May 12, 4:48 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > > The Duo and the Nova are both rated to 33 lbs / 15 Kg. Both can be found
> > in
> > > silver. Is there any advantage of one over the other, assuming you can
> > mount
> > > both on your fork? As stated by Mojo, the eyelet on the back of the
> > Bombadil
> > > fork would be used for the Duo, otherwise it has no use that I know of.
>
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[EricP]

Mine is - none whatsoever.  By that time ('92-'95), I was out of
cycling with serious hand issues.  It also did not help that the local
Bridgestone dealer was a store I preferred to not patronize.

I do see them out there in the Twin Cities, and appreciate the bike
for what it (and the other models) stood for.  But not really
interested in buying one.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On May 13, 6:10�pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> It's probably a good thing I'm married and have the requisite "there's
> no way you're spending that much money on a bike you won't ride"
> limiter inherent in such arrangements. Even though I mostly ride a
> recumbent now (Riv pedals, clothes & bell), I have huge nostalgia for
> XO-1s, and would pay stupid money for one. I love the orange of the
> '93, but the original white '92 with sidepulls is probably the one I
> would pop for. A CB-Zip, or replacement for my stolen '94 XO-3, would
> be nice, too.
>
> On May 13, 3:06�pm, James Warren  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned 
> > it, it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its 
> > functionality. I have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has 
> > definitely competed with the Atlantis's.
>
> > -Jim W.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > >From: Tim McNamara 
> > >Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM
> > >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
> > >I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch �
> > >sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US. �It �
> > >was an engagement/wedding present. �She loved the bike and rode it �
> > >lots. �Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day. �It was �
> > >locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused �
> > >the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who �
> > >knows). �The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows �
> > >of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign �
> > >to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the �
> > >sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree. �You could �
> > >see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died. �No �
> > >one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and �
> > >their customers were of course terrified.
>
> > >The bike was destroyed. �Every tube was bent except the head tube. �
> > >The wheels were mangled. �Almost nothing was salvageable. �The �
> > >driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal �
> > >with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a �
> > >result). �My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but �
> > >also its meaning.
>
> > >Here's why I tell about the tragedy. �I replaced the bike with a �
> > >Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a �
> > >friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on �
> > >Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors. �She was shocked and �
> > >delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots. �But �
> > >when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it �
> > >closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the �
> > >XO-1.
>
> > >It was crude. �The lugs were not attractive. �They were not filed or �
> > >thinned. �Tube mitering was not good. �The brazing was sloppy and �
> > >incomplete around the BB shell. �The paint was not well done. �The �
> > >Heron was a *vastly* better made frame. �My nostalgia for the XO-1 as �
> > >a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was �
> > >basically our engagement ring- remains).
>
> > >The XO-1 is an iconic bike. �It's a unique moment in bike history �
> > >with nothing really like it before or since from a major �
> > >manufacturer. �But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell �
> > >has a lot of 'em). �For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather �
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I have all three tires; Hetre, Cypres, and Pari-Moto. The Pari-Moto is lighter 
and softer than the other two. It's more like a Vittoria CX, than any other 
Panaracer I've ever had.


I still think the Hetre's are the funnest tires in the world to ride on.
Cheers!

On May 13, 2010, at 12:21 PM, rcnute wrote:

> I saw a tan one yesterday (not mounted).  Visually and texturally it
> seemed like a Cypres.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> On May 13, 10:59 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>>> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker?
>> 
>> Different not superior.
>> 
>> I believe in some of his posts to the 650B forum, Kirk specifically
>> said these were not meant to compete with the Hetre.  The Pari-Motos
>> are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if that is what
>> you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.
>> 
>> The Hetres are the every day, distance, I want a great ride, don't
>> care about being up front of everyone tire.  I Have two sets of
>> Hetres, and two sets of Pari-Motos on the way.  The Hetres will get
>> most of the work.  Assuming the PariMotos live up to the promise, they
>> will see sunny summer afternoon duty.
>> 
>> On May 13, 12:47 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
>>> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
>>> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
>>> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
>>> have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
>>> attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
>>> stockpile a few.
>> 
>>> Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>> 
>>> Brian
>> 
>>> On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>> 
 On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>> 
> They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>> 
 the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
 understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
 make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
 be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
 is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
 fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>> 
 personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
 maybe grand bois will fill that void.
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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[happyriding]

On May 13, 6:19 pm, happyriding  wrote:
> On May 13, 3:15 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > I assumed this thread was going to be about all the new 4-size models
> > (Hillborne, Hunqapillar, initial Bomba offering), not the 10-size
> > Atlantis.
>
> > They (RBW) still have the historical Atlantis geo-chart up on the
> > 'Frame Specials' page:
>
> >http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
>
> > That chart has all 10 Atlantis sizes described, including 64, 66, and
> > 68.  Give them $1000 (half-deposit) and wait a couple months and you
> > should be able to get what you want.
>
> Nope.  Rivendell adamantly refuses to build any of the sizes that have
> been discontinued.
>

...well, at least the size I asked about.  Blindrobert, did Rivendell
say they would build you a 64?

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[RBW] X0-1 Nostalgia

[Ryan]

Interesting question...

Still ride my 93 X0-1 a lot.  It's old enough to drive now.I love my
Rivendells, but in some ways this bike is still my favourite

This latest auction is interesting; one thing I noticed is that this
59cm X0-1 has a Tange MTB tubing decal. As far as I know, I thought
all of the X0-1s were made with Ishiwata 0XX tubing (22,24...etc).
That's what the catalogue indicates,
anyway...although the  large 59cm size might have required something
sturdier.

The X0-1 is an iconoclastic bike, and love it or hate it , it seems to
spark passionate debate. So orange is an apt colour.

If mine ever got stolen or destroyed, I would mourn a unique,
irreplaceable bike and I doubt I would seek another for the prices
it's been fetching lately. Mine has 17 years of history...and some non-
stock parts...I don't get why this fellow scoured ebay, etc for stock
parts, because a lot of the stock parts were good but not remarkable.I
think the frame, for a production frame , was really quite well done.
It's not a custom Riv or an early Riv all-rounder. That I grant you.
But it has an aesthetic I really admire

The bike's a rider and keeping it totally stock doesn't make a lot of
sense.

Cheers,

Ryan Fleming
Winnipeg,MB

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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Bill M.]

For me, an 'event' would mean a century or a brevet.  A long ride not
necessarily ridden as a race with sharp accelerations and sprints, but
where comfort and efficiency would be at a premium.  Where the tires
might carry a bit more than a 15 pound bike and a 140 pound rider, but
not a touring load.

I would call the P-M an 'event' tire along with other "supple, high-
performance" tires like a Challenge Parigi-Roubaix, as opposed to
'everyday' tires like a Marathon or CdlV that trade weight and
suppleness for durability and puncture resistance.  We'll have to see
if it lives up to that expectation.

I had hoped to have mine in time for a 100k charity ride on Saturday,
but hope for that is fading fast.  In the absence of the P-M's, I
haven't decided whether to ride the 650b Maxy Fastys, or just mount up
the skinny-tired go-fast.  It's nice to have options.

Bill

On May 13, 2:03 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> but what makes the "pari-moto" an "event" tire compared to other
> supple, performance tires?  is the rubber compound made partly of
> crushed paint chips from old singers and herses?  is the casing woven
> with hair samples from the world's great randonneurs?
>
> and does "event" mean "fragile?"  because it makes zero sense to have
> a 38mm tire that you can't ride off road and beat up a little.
>
> none of this is directed at you, Joel.  just general musings on this
> whole "event" marketing thing.  and i totally understand wanting to
> keep your good sneaks clean and all.
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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[happyriding]

On May 13, 3:15 pm, William  wrote:
> I assumed this thread was going to be about all the new 4-size models
> (Hillborne, Hunqapillar, initial Bomba offering), not the 10-size
> Atlantis.
>
> They (RBW) still have the historical Atlantis geo-chart up on the
> 'Frame Specials' page:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
>
> That chart has all 10 Atlantis sizes described, including 64, 66, and
> 68.  Give them $1000 (half-deposit) and wait a couple months and you
> should be able to get what you want.
>

Nope.  Rivendell adamantly refuses to build any of the sizes that have
been discontinued.


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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Frankwurst]

It was not uncommon to age tires. I did it myself with tubulars. I
don't want to go back to those days. Glue, unsewing to patch and
resewing, glue again. Tubs are still around as will be 650b in thirty
years. I'll be dead then. I want to ride my 650b's into the sunset.

On May 13, 1:28 pm, bfd  wrote:
> On May 13, 10:01 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:> Tubular 
> tire aging is discussed here:
>
> >http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
> The Bicycle FAQ has a different opinion:
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tubular-fables.html
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[RBW] Re: Replacing a Brooks B17 tension bolt

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I did it on a B68. I used a hacksaw to cut the bolt most of the way
thru to weaken/angle it. Tedious but no great strength required. (and
I used a bolt I got from Wallingford; I highly recommend them as a
source).

On May 12, 8:11 pm, P Merryman  wrote:
> Has anyone here replaced the tension bolt on a B17?  It seems I've stripped
> the threads on my favorite saddle, the nut just spins with no effect.
>
> I see that Wallingford has replacement bolts available, and I can see how
> the repair "could" be done.  But I really doubt I have the strength of the
> gods needed to stretch the nose out enough to get the old bolt out and the
> new one in.  I've read that Brooks has a hydraulic thing set up for this.
>
> Can it be done by mere mortals?
>
> Is there a place in the US that can do it for me?
>
> Thanks for any advice or sympathy,
>
> -Pete
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Joe Bernard]

It's probably a good thing I'm married and have the requisite "there's
no way you're spending that much money on a bike you won't ride"
limiter inherent in such arrangements. Even though I mostly ride a
recumbent now (Riv pedals, clothes & bell), I have huge nostalgia for
XO-1s, and would pay stupid money for one. I love the orange of the
'93, but the original white '92 with sidepulls is probably the one I
would pop for. A CB-Zip, or replacement for my stolen '94 XO-3, would
be nice, too.

On May 13, 3:06 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned 
> it, it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its 
> functionality. I have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has definitely 
> competed with the Atlantis's.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Tim McNamara 
> >Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM
> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
> >I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch  
> >sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It  
> >was an engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it  
> >lots.  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was  
> >locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused  
> >the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who  
> >knows).  The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows  
> >of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign  
> >to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the  
> >sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree.  You could  
> >see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died.  No  
> >one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and  
> >their customers were of course terrified.
>
> >The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.  
> >The wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The  
> >driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal  
> >with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a  
> >result).  My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but  
> >also its meaning.
>
> >Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a  
> >Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a  
> >friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on  
> >Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors.  She was shocked and  
> >delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots.  But  
> >when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it  
> >closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the  
> >XO-1.
>
> >It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or  
> >thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and  
> >incomplete around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The  
> >Heron was a *vastly* better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as  
> >a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was  
> >basically our engagement ring- remains).
>
> >The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history  
> >with nothing really like it before or since from a major  
> >manufacturer.  But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell  
> >has a lot of 'em).  For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather  
> >buy a better bike with that money.
>
> >So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd  
> >pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be  
> >winning any auctions...
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 15:38 -0700, Horace wrote:
> Also, probably using American-sourced acetylene (and oxygen!) to do
> the brazing.

and beer, too, probably



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

[Johnny Alien]

Yeah that is what I was looking at. If there were only 50 made that
may explain it. I may just decide to pick up a new one then.  I
definitely don't want one with a longer extension/reach.

On May 13, 6:17 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
> If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nitto bullmoose, they only made
> 50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
> sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
> version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
> some more in stock.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On May 13, 2:55 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
> > there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[Horace]

Also, probably using American-sourced acetylene (and oxygen!) to do the
brazing.

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Me  wrote:

> Not really knowing for certain...
>
> but I am thinking the flux used to braze the frames, well the Japanese
> frames will have Japanese flux and the Ameri-Consin frames, it'll be
> American flux.
>
> Beware, The Flux.
>
> -Scott
>
> On May 13, 1:58 pm, GeorgeS  wrote:
> > Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
> > Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?
> > GeorgeS
> >
> > On May 13, 8:42 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
> >
> > > Missed that.
> >
> > > As Mark says, with production closer by, Riv may have some more
> > > flexibility with sizes and add ons.
> >
> > > Interesting the way things work sometime.  Who would have thought 10
> > > years ago moving production back to the U.S. would save money.
> >
> > > On May 13, 8:21 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> >
> > > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 06:07 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > > Global economics.
> >
> > > > > The Atlantis is made in Japan.
> >
> > > > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
> >
> > > > >   Dollar to Yen has not favored Riv
> > > > > buying and holding a lot of the frames.  As a result, Riv is moving
> > > > > more to the Taiwan made frames.
> >
> > > > and for the higher end stuff, back to Waterloo, as it was in the
> > > > beginning
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Re: [RBW] Schwalbe Big Apples, 622X60

[Rene Sterental]

Good for you!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

[Jim M.]

If you're talking about the latest Riv/Nitto bullmoose, they only made
50 of them in the first run, so there aren't a lot available to be re-
sold. I love mine and it's not for sale. I know they are working on a
version with a longer extension, but I don't know when they'll have
some more in stock.

jim m
wc ca

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> I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
> there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.
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[RBW] Re: Installing Fenders Question

[JoelMatthews]

> You guys are joking but I very well may put a coat of amber shellac on
> the cork.

I did not need a spacer for my fender.   However, I do have the Riv
Portuguese cork grips.  I put an ever so light coating of amber
shellac on them.  Just enough to bring out the grain (cork is part of
tree) and give it a bit of a tan.

Amber shellac and cork are a winning combination!

On May 13, 4:58 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> You guys are joking but I very well may put a coat of amber shellac on
> the cork.
>
> On May 13, 5:06 pm, Ken Freeman  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > What kind of spring?  Hardware store or more special than that?
>
> > On Thursday, May 13, 2010, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 10:15 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > >> Has anyone used a modestly stiff coil spring for this?
>
> > > yes.  works like a charm!  i have a very clean fenderline with
> > > long(ish) horizontal dropouts and can remove a 40mm tire with no
> > > fuss.  the axle rests approx. smack in the middle of the dropouts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[James Warren]

When I got mine, I was guilty of the nostalgia a bit, but since I've owned it, 
it's worth to me has come not from its craftsmanship, but its functionality. I 
have an Atlantis, and the XO-1's versatility has definitely competed with the 
Atlantis's.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
>From: Tim McNamara 
>Sent: May 13, 2010 12:29 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
>I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch  
>sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It  
>was an engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it  
>lots.  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was  
>locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused  
>the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who  
>knows).  The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows  
>of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign  
>to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the  
>sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree.  You could  
>see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died.  No  
>one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and  
>their customers were of course terrified.
>
>The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.   
>The wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The  
>driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal  
>with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a  
>result).  My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but  
>also its meaning.
>
>Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a  
>Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a  
>friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on  
>Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors.  She was shocked and  
>delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots.  But  
>when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it  
>closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the  
>XO-1.
>
>It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or  
>thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and  
>incomplete around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The  
>Heron was a *vastly* better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as  
>a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was  
>basically our engagement ring- remains).
>
>The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history  
>with nothing really like it before or since from a major  
>manufacturer.  But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell  
>has a lot of 'em).  For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather  
>buy a better bike with that money.
>
>So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd  
>pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be  
>winning any auctions...
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[RBW] Re: Installing Fenders Question

[Johnny Alien]

You guys are joking but I very well may put a coat of amber shellac on
the cork.

On May 13, 5:06 pm, Ken Freeman  wrote:
> What kind of spring?  Hardware store or more special than that?
>
> On Thursday, May 13, 2010, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> > On May 13, 10:15 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> >> Has anyone used a modestly stiff coil spring for this?
>
> > yes.  works like a charm!  i have a very clean fenderline with
> > long(ish) horizontal dropouts and can remove a 40mm tire with no
> > fuss.  the axle rests approx. smack in the middle of the dropouts.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

[Johnny Alien]

I think I definitely want to go with the Nitto style.  Seems like
there are always other bars for sale used but these don't pop up alot.

On May 13, 1:40 pm, rinjin  wrote:
> Love my Bullmoose bars. Beautifully made and super functional on a
> nice cruiser bike.
>
> You might also check out the Rawland version...bar and stem are
> separate pieces. Not cheap and not as pretty as the Nitto version, but
> it might be useful for some folks.
>
> Brian
>
> On May 12, 4:02 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > I want to try a set of these out so I thought I would see if anyone
> > had a set used before investing in a new set. If I like them I will
> > probably pick up an extra one from Riv.  I am looking for the
> > Rivendell Bullmoose because it is more swept back than the old 90's
> > ones.
>
> > Anyone?
>
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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[JoelMatthews]

> I assumed this thread was going to be about all the new 4-size models
> (Hillborne, Hunqapillar, initial Bomba offering), not the 10-size
> Atlantis.

Good point.  The title is somewhat confusing.

On May 13, 4:15 pm, William  wrote:
> I assumed this thread was going to be about all the new 4-size models
> (Hillborne, Hunqapillar, initial Bomba offering), not the 10-size
> Atlantis.
>
> They (RBW) still have the historical Atlantis geo-chart up on the
> 'Frame Specials' page:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
>
> That chart has all 10 Atlantis sizes described, including 64, 66, and
> 68.  Give them $1000 (half-deposit) and wait a couple months and you
> should be able to get what you want.
>
> On May 13, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 13:58 -0700, GeorgeS wrote:
> > > Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
> > > Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?
>
> > I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
> > brand.  I doubt the geometry would be changed.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Ken Mattina]

I tried funk and wagnall's porch but I was worried that some low life
randonneur would steal them.

They're much more secure in my fortified basement.

Ken

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
> On May 13, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>  Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
>> industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.
>>
>
> Shouldn't those be on Funk and Wagnall's porch?
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Where did my hormones go?
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Where did my go go?
Where did the pleasure go?
Where did my hair go?

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[RBW] Re: atlantis diffs J vs USA

[William]

Scott must be right.  Grant did not mention the American vs Japanese
flux.  He's hiding something for sure.

***starts flux hoarding***

On May 13, 2:33 pm, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> Steve P sez:
> I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
> brand. I doubt the geometry would be changed.
>
> He is right!
>
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[RBW] atlantis diffs J vs USA

[Grant Petersen]

Steve P sez:
I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
brand. I doubt the geometry would be changed.

He is right!


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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[Me]

Not really knowing for certain...

but I am thinking the flux used to braze the frames, well the Japanese
frames will have Japanese flux and the Ameri-Consin frames, it'll be
American flux.

Beware, The Flux.

-Scott

On May 13, 1:58 pm, GeorgeS  wrote:
> Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
> Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?
> GeorgeS
>
> On May 13, 8:42 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
>
> > Missed that.
>
> > As Mark says, with production closer by, Riv may have some more
> > flexibility with sizes and add ons.
>
> > Interesting the way things work sometime.  Who would have thought 10
> > years ago moving production back to the U.S. would save money.
>
> > On May 13, 8:21 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 06:07 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > Global economics.
>
> > > > The Atlantis is made in Japan.
>
> > > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
>
> > > >   Dollar to Yen has not favored Riv
> > > > buying and holding a lot of the frames.  As a result, Riv is moving
> > > > more to the Taiwan made frames.
>
> > > and for the higher end stuff, back to Waterloo, as it was in the
> > > beginning
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[William]

I almost think the 1992 XO-1 represents an even bolder break from the
status quo, in that it had sidepull brakes.

I saw a 1993 XO-2 on flickr that was completely resurrected with Riv
Resurrectio decals.  That's a pretty bike.  Was it a forum member?

On May 13, 2:13 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> I think an XO-1 in excellent condition is worth $1700 to me...or thereabouts.
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: William 
> >Sent: May 13, 2010 11:31 AM
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Subject: [RBW] What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
> >I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
> >a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPag...
>
> >I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
> >people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
> >course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
> >more, a lot more, but still.
>
> >The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
> >"Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
> >on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
> >the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
> >for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
> >at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
> >own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
>
> >So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
> >Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
> >relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
> >into something else?
>
> >For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
> >basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
> >place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
> >nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
> >but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
> >that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
> >month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
> >nearly everything on it.
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Re: [RBW] Installing Fenders Question

[Ken Freeman]

What kind of spring?  Hardware store or more special than that?

On Thursday, May 13, 2010, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 13, 10:15 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Has anyone used a modestly stiff coil spring for this?
>
> yes.  works like a charm!  i have a very clean fenderline with
> long(ish) horizontal dropouts and can remove a 40mm tire with no
> fuss.  the axle rests approx. smack in the middle of the dropouts.
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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[William]

I assumed this thread was going to be about all the new 4-size models
(Hillborne, Hunqapillar, initial Bomba offering), not the 10-size
Atlantis.

They (RBW) still have the historical Atlantis geo-chart up on the
'Frame Specials' page:

http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf

That chart has all 10 Atlantis sizes described, including 64, 66, and
68.  Give them $1000 (half-deposit) and wait a couple months and you
should be able to get what you want.

On May 13, 2:01 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 13:58 -0700, GeorgeS wrote:
> > Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
> > Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?
>
> I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
> brand.  I doubt the geometry would be changed.
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Re: [RBW] What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[James Warren]

I think an XO-1 in excellent condition is worth $1700 to me...or thereabouts.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
>From: William 
>Sent: May 13, 2010 11:31 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?
>
>I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
>a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
>
>I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
>people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
>course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
>more, a lot more, but still.
>
>The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
>"Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
>on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
>the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
>for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
>at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
>own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.
>
>So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
>Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
>relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
>into something else?
>
>For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
>basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
>place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
>nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
>but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
>that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
>month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
>nearly everything on it.
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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen with S&S couplers 63cm

[GeorgeS]

I just packed a 56cm Surly Crosscheck in the hard box that Bilenky
sells.  It was a tight fit.  I also had to remove the fork from the
frame and I had to take the tire off the rear wheel to get it in.
Pictures are here.  
http://picasaweb.google.com/Choburger/AdventureOfTravelingWithABikePartI#
I did not have to remove the RD from the frame.  This is not a job to
do if you are rushed.  Patience is required.  Transcendental
meditation if you've got it could help.
GeorgeS

On May 13, 4:28 am, Blindrobert  wrote:
> That looks prettty good.  I would still put a brace in the fork and
> rear triangle, but that look like a good pack.
>
> On May 13, 3:30 am, happyriding  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 3:24 pm, Ron MH  wrote:
>
> > > That sounds like a super bike. I've been told that it can be difficult
> > > to get a large bike with S&S couplers broken down small enough to fit
> > > in the appropriate travel case. Apparently, the smaller frames are a
> > > piece of cake; the larger frames not so much. What has been your
> > > experience?
>
> > Here's a picture of a 68cm Atlantis with S&S couplers that is broken
> > down and in the case (with fork removed):
>
> >http://www.sandsmachine.com/a_rex_r6.htm
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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Patrick in VT]

On May 13, 3:56 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:

> However, I note the Rene Herse site says a fair percentage of its
> bikes are ordered with Paris-Brest-Paris in mind. Presumably some of
> those people will want to use the Pari-Moto.  I believe Kone, and
> elsewhere Peter Weigle both suggested as much in discussions on the
> tire.

but what makes the "pari-moto" an "event" tire compared to other
supple, performance tires?  is the rubber compound made partly of
crushed paint chips from old singers and herses?  is the casing woven
with hair samples from the world's great randonneurs?

and does "event" mean "fragile?"  because it makes zero sense to have
a 38mm tire that you can't ride off road and beat up a little.

none of this is directed at you, Joel.  just general musings on this
whole "event" marketing thing.  and i totally understand wanting to
keep your good sneaks clean and all.

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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Ron MH]

OR sheet metal screws spilled from a box lying on the side of the road
that recenty caused both of my Jack Browns to flat at once - not that
I'm bitter.

On May 11, 6:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> They are supposed to be very fast, very comfortable and very good handling. 
> They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose that 
> means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> 
> From: Rob Harrison 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 6:59:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?
>
> On May 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> > Well, the "flush" of 650B stuff seems to be pretty much over.
>
> Hope not, having just purchased a 650b Saluki!
>
> "What would these Pari-Motos have to recommend them over Cypres or Hetres?" 
> asks a newcomer to the fold.
>
> Maybe easier fit with fenders on the Saluki? Something like a 38mm version of 
> Hetres?
>
> Rob in Seattle
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 13:58 -0700, GeorgeS wrote:
> Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
> Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?

I would imagine the tubing is different - or, at least, a different
brand.  I doubt the geometry would be changed.





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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[GeorgeS]

Is there any difference (tubing, angles, etc.) between the Japanese
Atlantis and the one now being made in Wisconsin?
GeorgeS

On May 13, 8:42 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
>
> Missed that.
>
> As Mark says, with production closer by, Riv may have some more
> flexibility with sizes and add ons.
>
> Interesting the way things work sometime.  Who would have thought 10
> years ago moving production back to the U.S. would save money.
>
> On May 13, 8:21 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 06:07 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > Global economics.
>
> > > The Atlantis is made in Japan.
>
> > corrrection, WAS made in Japan, now moved to Waterloo, WI
>
> > >   Dollar to Yen has not favored Riv
> > > buying and holding a lot of the frames.  As a result, Riv is moving
> > > more to the Taiwan made frames.
>
> > and for the higher end stuff, back to Waterloo, as it was in the
> > beginning
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[JoelMatthews]

Probably a lot of these eBay bikes benefit from actual collector bike
price spill over.  People see a 1973 Masi, an authentic Herse, a
Singer made by Singer, or an old Eisentraut go for a bundle on line.
Rather than focus on the bike pedigree, they focus on steel lugs and
age.

The psychology is understandable.  As a result the buyers are either
paying too much for a riding bike or making a bad investment in what
most likely will never be a collectible.

On May 13, 3:02 pm, Kris  wrote:
> Just a few years ago I would probably have been bidding, but my
> 'level' has dropped significantly.  If I found one at a yard sale or
> the like I would sure buy it, but I am no longer looking for any older
> bikes.
>
> K
>
> On May 13, 3:45 pm, Murray Love  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> > > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale
> > > in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It was an
> > > engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it lots.
> > >  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was locked up 
> > > in
> > > front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas
> > > pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows).  The car surged
> > > over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the 
> > > first
> > > floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted
> > > by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until 
> > > it
> > > struck a tree.  You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until
> > > the car died.  No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the
> > > beauticians and their customers were of course terrified.
>
> > > The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.  The
> > > wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The driver's
> > > insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost
> > > our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result).  My wife was
> > > distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning.
>
> > > Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a Heron 
> > > Road
> > > with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and
> > > sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the 
> > > help
> > > of neighbors.  She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years 
> > > later,
> > > rides the Heron lots.  But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell
> > > and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something
> > > about the XO-1.
>
> > > It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or
> > > thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and 
> > > incomplete
> > > around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The Heron was a 
> > > *vastly*
> > > better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although
> > > my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring-
> > > remains).
>
> > > The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history with
> > > nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer.  But 
> > > there
> > > are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em).  For the 
> > > price
> > > these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money.
>
> > > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd pay
> > > maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be winning 
> > > any
> > > auctions...
>
> > Agreed 100%.  I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the
> > XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing).  Actually, I had two, and
> > broke both in exactly the same way:  BB shell broke at the base of the
> > seat-tube lug.
>
> > I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an
> > allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of
> > components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984
> > Sequoia foremost among them.  The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit
> > even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75"
> > tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B
> > tires at 55psi).
>
> > I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3.  Even with 28mm
> > tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy
> > want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike.
>
> > So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a
> > praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production
> > bikes.
>
> > If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T,
> > which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia.  And no, I wouldn't go for
> > the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new st

Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[John Speare]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Murray Love  wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>>
>

>> Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a Heron
>> Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and
>> sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help
>> of neighbors.  She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later,
>> rides the Heron lots.  But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell
>> and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something
>> about the XO-1.
>>
>> It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or
>> thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and incomplete
>> around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The Heron was a *vastly*
>> better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although
>> my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring-
>> remains).
>>

> Agreed 100%.  I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the
> XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing).  Actually, I had two, and
> broke both in exactly the same way:  BB shell broke at the base of the
> seat-tube lug.
>

I've had many bridgestones (93 X0-1, 92 RBT, 91 RBT, 90 MB2, 91 CB-0,
93 RB1, 94 RB1, and a few other CB-x's passed through too) -- I agree
with the assesment that these were pretty poorly constructed bikes,
especially at the bottom bracket. I'm pretty sure they were machine
brazed at the bottom bracket, and I'd love to hear Grant throw in on
that, though I can understand why he wouldn't.

That said, to this day, the RBT is still my all time favorite
production bike -- a sensible, fast, light, tough bike that takes fat
enough tires and has good-enough tubing. I race my 91 RBT at the local
CX races and I take it trail riding multiple times a week. I love it.
I have two RBTs and I abuse them, hack them, and repair them to no
end. They're great bikes.

I understand why people seek out XO1s too, for the same reasons: a
great bike with a set of features that you simply cannot buy off the
floor of any LBS today. I personally love the concept of road bike
with 26 wheels and standard tubing. I wish the XO1 I had was a 55; I
wouldn't have sold it. I secretly keep my eye out for the 1st Gen Riv
all-rounders in my size. That said, for $1000-- you can easily find a
good-enough builder to TIG you up a copy of the XO1 and paint it
orange.

 If I were king of the world, I'd find the most pristine example of a
93 xo-1, put it in a bike museum, and then tax all other xo1 owners
that didn't ride them regularly. I think these bikes should be ridden
hard to be fully appreciated.

-- 
John Speare
Spokane, WA USA
http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/

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RE: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)

[Frederick, Steve]

I almost missed it myself!  The last (silver) run of QB's had two smaller sizes 
than previous runs, a 50cm and 52cm.  They featured 650b wheels and Silver 
sidepulls rather than 700c and cantis.  I posted to the 650b list that I wanted 
suggestions for a 650b fixed gear "like a Quickbeam," and a helpful fellow (Ron 
Lau, I think) gently pointed out that there was just such a thing--a 650b 
Quickbeam.  I ordered the very last 52cm they had the next day!

I usually ride a 54cm but it was easy to adopt a 52cm QB to fit me--didn't even 
need full quill extension of a Tech. Deluxe stem...I can't even use Tech 
Deluxes on some of my 54cm Rivs--can't get the bars low enough with them!  As 
far as I can  tell/recall, the geometry is the same as other QB's-just scaled 
down a bit for the two smaller sizes and smaller wheels.

I've shared them before but here's some pics of it:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4317180490/in/set-72157623307633298/

Steve


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Subject: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)
 
You have a 650B Quickbeam? How did I miss that?
What's the scoop on that - braking, BB height, handling, etc?

 Philip
McMinnville, Ore. (700C QB)

On May 13, 10:54 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> They're meant to be what Hetres were originally supposed to be--a 38mm slick. 
>  The hetres turned out to be a bit fatter than that and don't fit as many 
> bikes as a 38 should.  I have Hetres on my Quickbeam but the PariMoto's will 
> be a better option for my Saluki!
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rinjin
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?
>
> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
> have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
> attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
> stockpile a few.
>
> Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>
> Brian
>
> On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> > On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> > >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> > the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> > understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> > make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> > be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> > is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> > fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> > personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> > maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Kris]

Just a few years ago I would probably have been bidding, but my
'level' has dropped significantly.  If I found one at a yard sale or
the like I would sure buy it, but I am no longer looking for any older
bikes.

K

On May 13, 3:45 pm, Murray Love  wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> > I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale
> > in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It was an
> > engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it lots.
> >  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was locked up in
> > front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas
> > pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows).  The car surged
> > over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the first
> > floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted
> > by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until it
> > struck a tree.  You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until
> > the car died.  No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the
> > beauticians and their customers were of course terrified.
>
> > The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.  The
> > wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The driver's
> > insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost
> > our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result).  My wife was
> > distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning.
>
> > Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a Heron Road
> > with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and
> > sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help
> > of neighbors.  She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later,
> > rides the Heron lots.  But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell
> > and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something
> > about the XO-1.
>
> > It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or
> > thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and incomplete
> > around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The Heron was a *vastly*
> > better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although
> > my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring-
> > remains).
>
> > The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history with
> > nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer.  But there
> > are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em).  For the price
> > these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money.
>
> > So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd pay
> > maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be winning any
> > auctions...
>
> Agreed 100%.  I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the
> XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing).  Actually, I had two, and
> broke both in exactly the same way:  BB shell broke at the base of the
> seat-tube lug.
>
> I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an
> allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of
> components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984
> Sequoia foremost among them.  The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit
> even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75"
> tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B
> tires at 55psi).
>
> I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3.  Even with 28mm
> tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy
> want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike.
>
> So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a
> praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production
> bikes.
>
> If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T,
> which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia.  And no, I wouldn't go for
> the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new stuff I have
> lying around:  TA or AT cranks, modern Shimano 9-speed drivetrain, Ergo
> brifters, BMX pedals, etc.
>
> Murray
> Victoria, BC
>
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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Me]

Yikes!

Now I feel like a real jerk... I am about to begin building up my
Rivendell 'Bleriot', AND my next custom [if and when I get a 'next'
custom] was going to be 650B.

This thread reminds me of seeing the movie 2012 a few weeks back, any
chance the government will put a couple 650B rims, tires & tubes on
those fancy Arks?

-Scott

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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Me]

Tim-

Couldn't agree more, "nostalgia" should have its own ticker on Wall
Street with the crazed feeding it imparts.

Any wonder that N[ew]O[ld]S[tock] shares the same opening 3 letters
with NOStalgia?

Thinking your post should be a Cut-n-Paste into the XO's eBay
listing.  ;-)

-Scott

On May 13, 12:29 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch  
> sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It  
> was an engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it  
> lots.  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was  
> locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused  
> the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who  
> knows).  The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows  
> of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign  
> to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the  
> sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree.  You could  
> see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died.  No  
> one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and  
> their customers were of course terrified.
>
> The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.  
> The wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The  
> driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal  
> with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a  
> result).  My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but  
> also its meaning.
>
> Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a  
> Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a  
> friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on  
> Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors.  She was shocked and  
> delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots.  But  
> when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it  
> closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the  
> XO-1.
>
> It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or  
> thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and  
> incomplete around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The  
> Heron was a *vastly* better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as  
> a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was  
> basically our engagement ring- remains).
>
> The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history  
> with nothing really like it before or since from a major  
> manufacturer.  But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell  
> has a lot of 'em).  For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather  
> buy a better bike with that money.
>
> So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd  
> pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be  
> winning any auctions...
>
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Re: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)

[James Dinneen]

I think that Ron Lau (sp?) converted a Quickbeam to 650B. It was in the gallery 
at one point.  Jim D. Massachusetts

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From: Philip Williamson 
Subject: [RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 2:16 PM


You have a 650B Quickbeam? How did I miss that?
What's the scoop on that - braking, BB height, handling, etc?

Philip
McMinnville, Ore. (700C QB)

On May 13, 10:54 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> They're meant to be what Hetres were originally supposed to be--a 38mm slick. 
>  The hetres turned out to be a bit fatter than that and don't fit as many 
> bikes as a 38 should.  I have Hetres on my Quickbeam but the PariMoto's will 
> be a better option for my Saluki!
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rinjin
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?
>
> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
> have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
> attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
> stockpile a few.
>
> Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>
> Brian
>
> On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> > On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> > >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> > the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> > understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> > make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> > be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> > is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> > fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> > personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> > maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[JoelMatthews]

> anyway, this "event" tag is ridiculous.  if anything is an "event"
> tire in 650b, it's the grand bois cypres.  but, what the heck is an
> event?  a race?  nobody is going to be racing on these.  they're fat
> performance clinchers, just like challenge parigi-roubaix's, grand
> bois tires, etc.  ride 'em.  enjoy 'em.  wear 'em out.

Well, I am not an event sort of person, so am not really the right
source to ask.

However, I note the Rene Herse site says a fair percentage of its
bikes are ordered with Paris-Brest-Paris in mind. Presumably some of
those people will want to use the Pari-Moto.  I believe Kone, and
elsewhere Peter Weigle both suggested as much in discussions on the
tire.

Again, what do I know?  Organized rides are absoulutely not something
I do.

On May 13, 2:12 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 13, 1:59 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > The Pari-Motos are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if 
> > that is >what you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.
>
> they are also a full 38mm wide, so comparison/competition with the
> Hetre is inevitable.  which makes perfect sense because the pari-moto
> it's simply a high performance superfat tire, just like the hetre.
> and, to my mind, the size was chosen to not solely for performance,
> but to fit frames on which the hetre was a bit snug.
>
> anyway, this "event" tag is ridiculous.  if anything is an "event"
> tire in 650b, it's the grand bois cypres.  but, what the heck is an
> event?  a race?  nobody is going to be racing on these.  they're fat
> performance clinchers, just like challenge parigi-roubaix's, grand
> bois tires, etc.  ride 'em.  enjoy 'em.  wear 'em out.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[rswatson]

Mine will be "event" tires. I'll use the Hetres everyday, and save the 
Pari-Motos for big brevets, personal record attempts, and other special 
occasions away from the thorn-infested streets of Albuquerque.  I might even 
enter an honest-to-goodness race on them!
Mind you, I'm basing this on the assumption that they'll be more delicate and 
wear out faster than the Hetres. And that they'll they'll offer some advantage 
over the Hetres in terms of speed and efficiency, whether real or "in my head"* 
I originally thought the Hetres would be "special event only" tires till they 
turned out to be so durable and long lasting. 

Cheers,
Ryan

*"placebos enhance performance, too" -Allen Lim, Team Radioshack scientist.
 

On May 13, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Patrick in VT  wrote:

> 
> 
> On May 13, 1:59 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> The Pari-Motos are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if that 
>> is >what you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.
> 
> they are also a full 38mm wide, so comparison/competition with the
> Hetre is inevitable.  which makes perfect sense because the pari-moto
> it's simply a high performance superfat tire, just like the hetre.
> and, to my mind, the size was chosen to not solely for performance,
> but to fit frames on which the hetre was a bit snug.
> 
> anyway, this "event" tag is ridiculous.  if anything is an "event"
> tire in 650b, it's the grand bois cypres.  but, what the heck is an
> event?  a race?  nobody is going to be racing on these.  they're fat
> performance clinchers, just like challenge parigi-roubaix's, grand
> bois tires, etc.  ride 'em.  enjoy 'em.  wear 'em out.
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Murray Love]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

> I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch sale
> in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It was an
> engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it lots.
>  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was locked up in
> front of the building when a lady apparently confused the brake and gas
> pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who knows).  The car surged
> over the curb directly at the front windows of a beauty parlor on the first
> floor, ran over the bike and the sign to which it was locked, was diverted
> by this the accelerated down the sidewalk parallel to the building until it
> struck a tree.  You could see where she continued to spin the wheels until
> the car died.  No one was hurt but several people- the driver, the
> beauticians and their customers were of course terrified.
>
> The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.  The
> wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The driver's
> insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal with (and lost
> our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a result).  My wife was
> distraught, not only for the bike itself but also its meaning.
>
> Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a Heron Road
> with full Superbe, building it up over months at a friend's shop and
> sneaking it into the house while we were out on Christmas Eve with the help
> of neighbors.  She was shocked and delighted and, more than 10 years later,
> rides the Heron lots.  But when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell
> and examined it closely and compared the two frames, I realized something
> about the XO-1.
>
> It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or
> thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and incomplete
> around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The Heron was a *vastly*
> better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike vanished (although
> my nostalgia for what it meant- it was basically our engagement ring-
> remains).
>
> The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history with
> nothing really like it before or since from a major manufacturer.  But there
> are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell has a lot of 'em).  For the price
> these go for on eBay, I'd rather buy a better bike with that money.
>
> So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd pay
> maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be winning any
> auctions...
>
>
Agreed 100%.  I had a 1993 XO-3 (lugged, Japan-made, same geometry as the
XO-1 with slightly heavier triple-butted tubing).  Actually, I had two, and
broke both in exactly the same way:  BB shell broke at the base of the
seat-tube lug.

I enjoyed the bike well enough for a while--it was my first attempt at an
allroad bike, and I built it up from the frame with my own selection of
components--but I've ridden much nicer production bikes since then, my 1984
Sequoia foremost among them.  The XO-3 was very stiff and seemed to transmit
even the smallest road vibrations directly into my body, even with 1.75"
tires at 75psi (this was long before my eye-opening experience with 650B
tires at 55psi).

I also had a '92 RB-1, which I miss far more than the XO-3.  Even with 28mm
tires at 95psi, it rode much smoother than the XO-3, and just had a springy
want-to-go-FAST feel entirely lacking in the other bike.

So, like Tim, I have very little nostalgia for the XOs, except as a
praiseworthy attempt to do something completely different in production
bikes.

If any Bridgestone could tempt me these days, it would be the '92-'94 RB-T,
which has very similar geometry to my Sequoia.  And no, I wouldn't go for
the nostalgia build--it would be the normal mix of old and new stuff I have
lying around:  TA or AT cranks, modern Shimano 9-speed drivetrain, Ergo
brifters, BMX pedals, etc.

Murray
Victoria, BC

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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Tim McNamara]

On May 13, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Ken Mattina wrote:

Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed  
in an industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.


Shouldn't those be on Funk and Wagnall's porch?

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[RBW] Re: What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[Tim McNamara]

I bought my wife a 55 cm 1993 XO-1 from the Bridgestone Owner's Bunch  
sale in (IIRC) 1994 when B-stone was closing up shop in the US.  It  
was an engagement/wedding present.  She loved the bike and rode it  
lots.  Unfortunately it met its demise at her office one day.  It was  
locked up in front of the building when a lady apparently confused  
the brake and gas pedal while parking (note it was a Toyota, so who  
knows).  The car surged over the curb directly at the front windows  
of a beauty parlor on the first floor, ran over the bike and the sign  
to which it was locked, was diverted by this the accelerated down the  
sidewalk parallel to the building until it struck a tree.  You could  
see where she continued to spin the wheels until the car died.  No  
one was hurt but several people- the driver, the beauticians and  
their customers were of course terrified.


The bike was destroyed.  Every tube was bent except the head tube.   
The wheels were mangled.  Almost nothing was salvageable.  The  
driver's insurance company (State Farm) was a complete PITA to deal  
with (and lost our auto and homeowner's insurance business as a  
result).  My wife was distraught, not only for the bike itself but  
also its meaning.


Here's why I tell about the tragedy.  I replaced the bike with a  
Heron Road with full Superbe, building it up over months at a  
friend's shop and sneaking it into the house while we were out on  
Christmas Eve with the help of neighbors.  She was shocked and  
delighted and, more than 10 years later, rides the Heron lots.  But  
when I received the Heron frame from Rivendell and examined it  
closely and compared the two frames, I realized something about the  
XO-1.


It was crude.  The lugs were not attractive.  They were not filed or  
thinned.  Tube mitering was not good.  The brazing was sloppy and  
incomplete around the BB shell.  The paint was not well done.  The  
Heron was a *vastly* better made frame.  My nostalgia for the XO-1 as  
a bike vanished (although my nostalgia for what it meant- it was  
basically our engagement ring- remains).


The XO-1 is an iconic bike.  It's a unique moment in bike history  
with nothing really like it before or since from a major  
manufacturer.  But there are better bikes to be had (and Rivendell  
has a lot of 'em).  For the price these go for on eBay, I'd rather  
buy a better bike with that money.


So my level of nostalgia for the XO-1 as a bike is pretty low.  I'd  
pay maybe $350 for one in near-mint condition.  Obviously I won't be  
winning any auctions...


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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[rcnute]

I saw a tan one yesterday (not mounted).  Visually and texturally it
seemed like a Cypres.

Ryan

On May 13, 10:59 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker?
>
> Different not superior.
>
> I believe in some of his posts to the 650B forum, Kirk specifically
> said these were not meant to compete with the Hetre.  The Pari-Motos
> are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if that is what
> you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.
>
> The Hetres are the every day, distance, I want a great ride, don't
> care about being up front of everyone tire.  I Have two sets of
> Hetres, and two sets of Pari-Motos on the way.  The Hetres will get
> most of the work.  Assuming the PariMotos live up to the promise, they
> will see sunny summer afternoon duty.
>
> On May 13, 12:47 pm, rinjin  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> > recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> > still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> > (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
> > have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
> > attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
> > stockpile a few.
>
> > Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>
> > Brian
>
> > On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
> > > On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > > >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> > > >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> > > the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> > > understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> > > make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> > > be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> > > is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> > > fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> > > personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> > > maybe grand bois will fill that void.
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[RBW] FS: Older BOB Trailer (No Riv Content)

[Kris]

If anyone is interested I have decided to part with my BOB trailer
after years of looking at it!  Yep, it's been looked at thousands of
times and used it 3 times.  It's in really good shape.  I was hoping
to get $125 (plus shipping) and here's my local Craigslist ad so you
can see a pic.


http://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/1737684663.html




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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Patrick in VT]

On May 13, 1:59 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> The Pari-Motos are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if that 
> is >what you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.

they are also a full 38mm wide, so comparison/competition with the
Hetre is inevitable.  which makes perfect sense because the pari-moto
it's simply a high performance superfat tire, just like the hetre.
and, to my mind, the size was chosen to not solely for performance,
but to fit frames on which the hetre was a bit snug.

anyway, this "event" tag is ridiculous.  if anything is an "event"
tire in 650b, it's the grand bois cypres.  but, what the heck is an
event?  a race?  nobody is going to be racing on these.  they're fat
performance clinchers, just like challenge parigi-roubaix's, grand
bois tires, etc.  ride 'em.  enjoy 'em.  wear 'em out.


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[RBW] Venturing Crew 999 First S240 !

[manueljohnacosta]

Venturing Crew 999 is going on a S240 bike/camp trip to Grant Ranch
Tomorrow and Saturday! We will be starting from Latino College
Preparatory Academy then riding to Grant Ranch 10ish miles away. If
there is anyone willing to ride with us to Grant Ranch or willing to
help out in anyway please pm off list. Thanks
-Manny Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Patrick in VT]

On May 13, 1:47 pm, rinjin  wrote:
> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker?

about a half pound lighter per set too.

grand bois pulled the plug on its baby hetre project, which was a
smart move.

but, I predict that as soon as BQ does further testing regarding fast/
fat tires -  specifically, where the performance ("performance" in a
rando sense, i.e. speed *and* comfort; because narrower tires are
still faster for flat out speed) benefits of  supple wide tires levels
off - Grand Bois will introduce a new tire.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[Rene Sterental]

Thanks Doug,

I placed an order for a Nova from Wiggle in England. Free shipping and cost
of the rack is only $115 compared to $150+ here in the US. I think I'll go
with that one and then reassess from there. I have yet to find some time to
call RBW, but I'm likely going to be returning the Nitto Big Front Rack as I
believe my needs will be well met by the Nova/Nitto Mini combo for now.
Still... maybe I'll keep the Nitto just in case... :-) It's a beautiful rack
and Ray's P-clamp solution is a good one as well. I still have my Tubus
Cosmo that the Nitto Big Rear rack replaced, and haven't been able to decide
to sell it. It's also a beautiful rack and I like it a lot as well. I used
to have it on the AHH, and then removed it when I decided to go with the
Sackville saddlebag medium in gray for my commutes. Unfortuately, I don't
think that bag goes very well with the Nitto Big Rear rack, but will have to
try it. I was using it on the Bombadil with the Nitto R-14 and it worked
very well this way.

Now if I can just find more free time... :-)

René

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, doug peterson  wrote:

> Rene:
>
> I have the Duo but have not used the Nova.  My reason for the Duo is
> the 2 pieces are separate & it makes easier packing for shipping.  My
> total front load is usually under 25 lbs.  From the pix, the Nova
> looks to have some adjustment, so there may be latitude in the eyelet
> placement.  With the Duo, there are 3 sets of mounting holes on the
> mid-fork bar so they eyelets have to be spot-on.  On
> theTouringStore.com website, there's a big caution about the need for
> specific dimensions on the eyelet placement and a warning that not all
> mfgs are consistent.  I saw a couple of Surly LHTs last summer with
> front racks where the pannier attachment bar was at something like a
> 30 degree angle.  Front racks can get complex.
>
> dougP
>
> On May 12, 4:48 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > The Duo and the Nova are both rated to 33 lbs / 15 Kg. Both can be found
> in
> > silver. Is there any advantage of one over the other, assuming you can
> mount
> > both on your fork? As stated by Mojo, the eyelet on the back of the
> Bombadil
> > fork would be used for the Duo, otherwise it has no use that I know of.
> >
> > René
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Bill Connell]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Ken Mattina  wrote:
>
> Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an 
> industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari 
> motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b tire 
> known to mankind.


For just a moment there, reading quickly, i thought the secret to
long-term tire storage was to pack them in mayonnaise.

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[RBW] What is the level of your XO-1 nostalgia?

[William]

I'm sure several of us are watching this XO-1 auction with interest on
a NOS 59cm 1993 XO-1:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300424850980&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I watch with interest just to the extent that it is interesting to see
people willing to pay more than retail for a 17 year old bike.  Of
course, getting the equivalent of that bike today would cost even
more, a lot more, but still.

The thing that got me thinking was the title, including the text
"Rivendell fans rejoice!".  The vibe I have gotten from my short time
on this forum is that there is not a ton of deep seated nostalgia for
the XO-1, even though none of us is all that surprised at XO-1's going
for $1500 to $2000.  I don't think many from this forum is rejoicing
at the availability of that particular XO-1 either.  Sure, some of us
own one, or have owned one, and like(d) it just fine.

So, I guess my question is:  Do you keep your eyes out for
Bridgestones?  Which one(s) do you look for?  What would you pay
relative to retail to get one?  Would you restore it, or resurrect it
into something else?

For me, I always liked the RB1, and got the opportunity to buy a 1992
basically unridden for $600.  I bought it and keep it at a vacation
place where the riding is flat.  I'm happy I did.  The XO that I am
nostalgic for is my 1993 XO-2, which had dirt drops.  It's long gone
but I'd love to get another one of those.  I'd probably pay $400 for
that or a 1994 XO-3.  I almost jumped on a 1993 XO-3 on ebay last
month, that went for $300 or so, but I would have ended up replacing
nearly everything on it.

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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[bfd]

On May 13, 10:01 am, Sean Whelan  wrote:
> Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
>
> http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
The Bicycle FAQ has a different opinion:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tubular-fables.html

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[RBW] 650B Quickbeam? (was: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?)

[Philip Williamson]

You have a 650B Quickbeam? How did I miss that?
What's the scoop on that - braking, BB height, handling, etc?

 Philip
McMinnville, Ore. (700C QB)

On May 13, 10:54 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> They're meant to be what Hetres were originally supposed to be--a 38mm slick. 
>  The hetres turned out to be a bit fatter than that and don't fit as many 
> bikes as a 38 should.  I have Hetres on my Quickbeam but the PariMoto's will 
> be a better option for my Saluki!
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rinjin
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:47 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?
>
> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
> have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
> attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
> stockpile a few.
>
> Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>
> Brian
>
> On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> > On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> > >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> > the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> > understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> > make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> > be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> > is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> > fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> > personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> > maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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[RBW] FS: Campy Record Crankset and BB

[Joe Bartoe]

Hi Everyone,

I don't know what the interest level on this list might me, but thought I'd 
offer here first before heading over to ebay.

Campy Record Crankset 9 speed 175mm arms with 53/39 rings (square taper). Arms 
are in great shape with some pitting in the oxidation but you have to look 
close. The rings are used, but have lots of life in them. The cranks are the 
silver aluminum with one spider arm hidden behind crank arm.

The bottom bracket is the Record 102mm square taper ti spindle with english 
threading, also in great shape.

I'd like $120 for both plus $10 for shipping.

Thanks for looking,

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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[JoelMatthews]

> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker?

Different not superior.

I believe in some of his posts to the 650B forum, Kirk specifically
said these were not meant to compete with the Hetre.  The Pari-Motos
are skinnier and lighter.  They are meant for events, if that is what
you do, or for nice day unloaded speed riding.

The Hetres are the every day, distance, I want a great ride, don't
care about being up front of everyone tire.  I Have two sets of
Hetres, and two sets of Pari-Motos on the way.  The Hetres will get
most of the work.  Assuming the PariMotos live up to the promise, they
will see sunny summer afternoon duty.

On May 13, 12:47 pm, rinjin  wrote:
> I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
> recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
> still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
> (or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
> have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
> attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
> stockpile a few.
>
> Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.
>
> Brian
>
> On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> > >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> > the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> > understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> > make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> > be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> > is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> > fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> > personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> > maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[Frederick, Steve]

They're meant to be what Hetres were originally supposed to be--a 38mm slick.  
The hetres turned out to be a bit fatter than that and don't fit as many bikes 
as a 38 should.  I have Hetres on my Quickbeam but the PariMoto's will be a 
better option for my Saluki!

Steve

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?


I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
(or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
stockpile a few.

Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.

Brian


On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[William]

The owner of the of the first Bicycle Shop I worked at told me that he
kept note of the religion of his neighbors.  The reason was, he knew
that devout followers of certain religions were encouraged to
stockpile food for the apocalypse and aftermath.  He didn't spell out
his backup plan, but just made the statement "when all the food is
gone, remembering where it's hidden is valuable information"

Ken, can I please have your home address and the PIN for your alarm
system?

On May 13, 10:17 am, Ken Mattina  wrote:
> Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
> industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari
> motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b tire
> known to mankind.
>
> Also I have an extra unused 650b wheelset.  I have two hubsets that I want
> to have built up for my 650b stockpile.
>
> Funny you say?
>
> Go ahead and laugh you fools.
>
> We'll see who's laughing after the 650b apocalypse.
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sean Whelan wrote:
>
>
>
> > Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
>
> >http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
> > --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > *wrote:
>
> > From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM
>
> > Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
> > in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
> > "stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
> > to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
> > temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
> > the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
> > tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).
>
> > Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
> > I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
> > some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
> > controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
> > wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
> > in some way.
>
> > On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito 
> > http://mc/compose?to=esp...@guagua.org>>
> > wrote:
> > > Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> > > light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> > > is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> > > On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > > http://mc/compose?to=thill@gmail.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > > > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > > > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Pari-Moto 650B Tires?

[rinjin]

I think it's great that Pacenti is getting new tires made (see the
recent discussion about 650B tire choices and the apocalypse), but I'm
still a little unclear on how the new Pari Motos are different from
(or superior to) the Hetres. A little skinnier and a little slicker? I
have to say the Hetres are hard to beat. Plush, light, durable,
attractive, easy to mount. Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe I will
stockpile a few.

Curious to hear from folks who've ridden them both.

Brian


On May 12, 7:58 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 11, 9:32 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>
> >They are called "event tires" as in, you would race with them. I suppose 
> >that >means roofing tacks should be avoided
>
> the durability of this tire will be the deal-breaker for me.  i
> understand folks wanting a tire just a bit smaller than the hetre to
> make things work better on particular frames.  but a 38mm tire begs to
> be ridden off-road, wherever that might take you.  so far, the hetre
> is more than up to task on this front.  if the pari-moto is too
> fragile for some rough stuff, my pre-order will be my last.
>
> personally, i was hoping for a tire like this in the 33-35 range.
> maybe grand bois will fill that void.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bullmoose Bar

[rinjin]

Love my Bullmoose bars. Beautifully made and super functional on a
nice cruiser bike.

You might also check out the Rawland version...bar and stem are
separate pieces. Not cheap and not as pretty as the Nitto version, but
it might be useful for some folks.

Brian

On May 12, 4:02 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> I want to try a set of these out so I thought I would see if anyone
> had a set used before investing in a new set. If I like them I will
> probably pick up an extra one from Riv.  I am looking for the
> Rivendell Bullmoose because it is more swept back than the old 90's
> ones.
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> Anyone?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Ken Mattina]

Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an
industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement.  I also have four pairs of pari
motos on the way.  I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b tire
known to mankind.

Also I have an extra unused 650b wheelset.  I have two hubsets that I want
to have built up for my 650b stockpile.

Funny you say?

Go ahead and laugh you fools.

We'll see who's laughing after the 650b apocalypse.

Ken

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sean Whelan wrote:

> Tubular tire aging is discussed here:
>
> http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> *wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM
>
>
> Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
> in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
> "stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
> to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
> temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
> the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
> tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).
>
> Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
> I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
> some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
> controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
> wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
> in some way.
>
> On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito 
> http://mc/compose?to=esp...@guagua.org>>
> wrote:
> > Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> > light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> > is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
> >
> > On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > http://mc/compose?to=thill@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: Installing Fenders Question

[William]

But which color of shellac do you use on the cork?!?  Clear or amber?
I can't decide?  Don't even get me started on how many coats to use.

On May 13, 8:44 am, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On May 13, 10:15 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used a modestly stiff coil spring for this?
>
> yes.  works like a charm!  i have a very clean fenderline with
> long(ish) horizontal dropouts and can remove a 40mm tire with no
> fuss.  the axle rests approx. smack in the middle of the dropouts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Sean Whelan]

Tubular tire aging is discussed here:

http://branfordbike.com/articles/tubular-tires-pg87.htm

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:

From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
Subject: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:13 AM

Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
"stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).

Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
in some way.

On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito  wrote:
> Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
> > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Schwalbe Big Apples, 622X60

[PATRICK MOORE]

Fewer than 1,000 miles, vg condition, no sign of tread wear, $55 shipped the
pair CONUS.

Note that these measure a true 60 mm on 25 mm rims.

Will trade for good quality smallish rear pannier.

I just bought Walbike's last two Liteskins -- nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[doug peterson]

The Atlantis sizing chart on an old flyer I have shows 61, 64, & 68 in
the larger sizes.  Since the basic design is timeless, maybe post a
"wanted to buy" & see what pops up?

dougP

On May 13, 2:30 am, Blindrobert  wrote:
> Was looking for a 63/64 - I think the Atlantis used to come in 64.
>
> We didn't get too far into the discussion - so I never asked about
> price.
>
> They also suggested a Bombadil, but I don't care for the double tube.
>
> On May 13, 3:23 am, happyriding  wrote:
>
> > On May 12, 8:43 pm, Blindrobert  wrote:
>
> > > Just curious if anyone has heard anything.  I was surprised to call
> > > and find that the Atlantis was no longer available in my size - they
> > > did offer to have one made for me though.
>
> > In what size?  And for how much?
>
> > Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[doug peterson]

Rene:

I have the Duo but have not used the Nova.  My reason for the Duo is
the 2 pieces are separate & it makes easier packing for shipping.  My
total front load is usually under 25 lbs.  From the pix, the Nova
looks to have some adjustment, so there may be latitude in the eyelet
placement.  With the Duo, there are 3 sets of mounting holes on the
mid-fork bar so they eyelets have to be spot-on.  On
theTouringStore.com website, there's a big caution about the need for
specific dimensions on the eyelet placement and a warning that not all
mfgs are consistent.  I saw a couple of Surly LHTs last summer with
front racks where the pannier attachment bar was at something like a
30 degree angle.  Front racks can get complex.

dougP

On May 12, 4:48 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> The Duo and the Nova are both rated to 33 lbs / 15 Kg. Both can be found in
> silver. Is there any advantage of one over the other, assuming you can mount
> both on your fork? As stated by Mojo, the eyelet on the back of the Bombadil
> fork would be used for the Duo, otherwise it has no use that I know of.
>
> René
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[doug peterson]

Lisa:

The Nitto Big Front Rack gives you a lot of options and is a wonderful
rack.  In my case, when torch first touched fork, the bike was already
six years old, with plenty of paint abuse in evidence.  You not
wanting to re-paint a brand new fork is understandable.  Eyelets are a
nice convenience but clamps do the same job.

dougP

On May 12, 2:28 pm, Lisa  wrote:
> Doug and Ray,
>
> I do like the two-rack solution for a fork with eyelets.  But since I
> don't have them, I'm going to try the Nitto Big Front rack.  I'm not
> ready to think about repainting the fork on a bike I haven't even
> ridden yet!
>
> Lisa
>
> On May 12, 12:58 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lisa:
>
> > One solution to the lack of mid fork eyelets on the Atlantis is to
> > simply add them as needed.  I've added standard rack hourglass eyelets
> > to the front of the fork legs for the Nitto small rack, and another
> > pair on the rear of the legs for the low rider rack I add for loaded
> > tours.  My Atlantis is 58 cm so everything has to come off to
> > pack'n'ship for a remote start tour.  I got sick of the Rubik's cube
> > problem of installing my bolt together front rack with U-clamps.
>
> > One caution is to locate the eyelets for maximum versatility in case
> > you may change racks.  See the TouringStore.com website for detailed
> > info but all racks are not alike.  This is the voice of experience as
> > I'm about to add another set of eyelets for my new rack.  BTW, the
> > paint job is history when you do this but Testors makes an almost
> > perfect match for the Atlantis color.  It fools most everyone except
> > my fussy Riv buds.
>
> > dougP
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[RBW] Re: Installing Fenders Question

[Patrick in VT]

On May 13, 10:15 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Has anyone used a modestly stiff coil spring for this?

yes.  works like a charm!  i have a very clean fenderline with
long(ish) horizontal dropouts and can remove a 40mm tire with no
fuss.  the axle rests approx. smack in the middle of the dropouts.

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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Now I feel like a crackpot, which isn't an unfamiliar feeling for me,
in case you were wondering! My original post suggested a modest
"stockpile" of two rims and four tires. Not exactly a lifetime supply
to get one through the apocalypse, but enough to get one through a
temporary shortage or the inventory bottlenecks that frequently affect
the supply of bike parts (it was nearly impossible to get 27"/630
tires of ANY kind in the summer of 2008, for example).

Tires and tubes will keep for a long time in a cool, dark, dry place.
I think it helps to keep them in a plastic bag, too. I have heard that
some old Italian racer types would "age" their sew-ups under
controlled conditions for a number of years, as they would a bottle of
wine, apparently because they believed that aging improved the tires
in some way.

On May 12, 4:56 am, Jorgito  wrote:
> Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
> light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
> is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?
>
> On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
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> > The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> > into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> > discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen with S&S couplers 63cm

[Blindrobert]

That looks prettty good.  I would still put a brace in the fork and
rear triangle, but that look like a good pack.

On May 13, 3:30 am, happyriding  wrote:
> On May 12, 3:24 pm, Ron MH  wrote:
>
> > That sounds like a super bike. I've been told that it can be difficult
> > to get a large bike with S&S couplers broken down small enough to fit
> > in the appropriate travel case. Apparently, the smaller frames are a
> > piece of cake; the larger frames not so much. What has been your
> > experience?
>
> Here's a picture of a 68cm Atlantis with S&S couplers that is broken
> down and in the case (with fork removed):
>
> http://www.sandsmachine.com/a_rex_r6.htm
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[RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?

[Jorgito]

Yikes, I'll have to add wheels and tires to my hoard of incandescent
light bulbs. And hi, by the way; I'm regularly here reading but this
is my first time posting. How long will hoarded tires and tubes keep?

On May 12, 1:33 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> The discussion about the new Pacenti 650B tires momentarily ventured
> into commentary on "the future of 650B". I thought this was worth a
> discussion of its own.
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[RBW] Re: What do you think is behind the new limited sizes at RBW?

[Blindrobert]

Was looking for a 63/64 - I think the Atlantis used to come in 64.

We didn't get too far into the discussion - so I never asked about
price.

They also suggested a Bombadil, but I don't care for the double tube.

On May 13, 3:23 am, happyriding  wrote:
> On May 12, 8:43 pm, Blindrobert  wrote:
>
> > Just curious if anyone has heard anything.  I was surprised to call
> > and find that the Atlantis was no longer available in my size - they
> > did offer to have one made for me though.
>
> In what size?  And for how much?
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Not your grandfather's panniers

[Ginz]

You have a luggage budget?!  Man, I thought I was the only one.  Just
put down a deposit on a Hunqapillar, too. Looks like I'll be eating
Ramen noodles for a few months.

Ginz

On May 12, 11:31 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Photos of the latest iteration of Riv's panniers on the May 12 post.
> These are looking really good & post says "close to final".  Photo
> shows a single but it's just for testing'n'messing; final will be, as
> call it, mule style, with lots of D-rings.  Now I just have to look at
> my luggage budget.
>
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[RBW] Installing Fenders Question

[Michael Mann]

Use a cork. MIne looks like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8199...@n04/1421286972/in/set-72157601478367166/
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