Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread charlie 
One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due to 
a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although 
losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo 
way.eating  primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual 
vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has 
allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to 
most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I 
feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no 
trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30 
years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive 
carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc. 
etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about 
age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost 
a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor 
advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again 
eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I 
might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might 
think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no 
matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy 
or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age 
they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys 
does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the 
one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I 
trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a 
false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they 
are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about 
29 to prove my point. 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edujavascript:
  wrote:

 Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. 
 That's just me, not bein' pedantic here.
 Marc
 
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [
 bert...@gmail.com javascript:]
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

 I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while 
 it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- 
 key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of 
 agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body 
 (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And 
 more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and 
 diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat 
 that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that 
 the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart 
 trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

 Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes, 
 but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you 
 eat carbs.

 The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity 
 and diabetes and heart disease.

 Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good 
 bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% 
 fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for 
 one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may 
 work for some people. Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern 
 processing is probably bad.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer 
 mhec...@gmail.comjavascript:
 mailto:mhech...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have 
 entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves 
 me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the 
 wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

 I recently stumbled across a web site, 
 http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some 
 health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the 
 Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the 
 conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and 
 congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And 
 they build on them.  They

Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread Lyle Bogart 
One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due
to a lifetime of poor diet choices and more likely the natural skinny guy
is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What
am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be
a false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they
are living healthy and will always be in shape

+1 Charlie! Many of the patients I treat fall into this skinny-fat
category and they always seem amazed to learn there's more to being healthy
than having low bodyweight.

Cheers!

lyle

-- 
lyle f bogart dpt

156 bradford rd
wiscasset, me 04578
207.882.6494
206.794.6937

On 7 October 2012 04:14, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due
 to a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although
 losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo
 way.eating  primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual
 vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has
 allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to
 most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I
 feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no
 trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30
 years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive
 carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc.
 etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about
 age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost
 a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor
 advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again
 eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I
 might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might
 think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no
 matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy
 or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age
 they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys
 does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the
 one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I
 trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a
 false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they
 are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about
 29 to prove my point.
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater


 On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edu wrote:

 Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut.
 That's just me, not bein' pedantic here.
 Marc
 __**__
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [rbw-owne...@**googlegroups.com]
 on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bert...@gmail.com]

 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com

 Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

 I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while
 it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* --
 key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of
 agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body
 (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And
 more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and
 diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat
 that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that
 the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart
 trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

 Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes,
 but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you
 eat carbs.

 The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of
 obesity and diabetes and heart disease.

 Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good
 bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200%
 fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for
 one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may
 work for some people. Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern
 processing is probably bad.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.com
 mailto:mhe**ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have

Re: [RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-07 Thread Matt Beebe 
That's a great looking bike!   Looks like you got the perfect fit with 
it. Those pictures make me want to go for a ride around your area, what 
great views!



On Saturday, October 6, 2012 10:59:26 PM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote:



 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript:wrote:

 Robert:

 TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
 perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
 That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
 started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
 Claus showing up.


 Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of 
 those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to 
 make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so on. 
 And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny bits 
 rolled away. 

 Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my 
 Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was 
 superbly packedvery, very safe and stable. 

 After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of 
 hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful 
 Hunq put together.

 I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really 
 had to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars 
 in a reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the 
 first try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17 
 Select), screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), 
 and ride off.

 Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able 
 to dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around 
 the city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be 
 riding these roads a lot


 OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
 so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
 is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!


 So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back.

 I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the 
 best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even 
 better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?).

 It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm tires 
 soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me 
 comfy. 

 The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May 
 and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the build 
 kit I figured I could swap later.

 Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable.

 I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike 
 porn...and continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee 
 because isn't that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You 
 just can't do better. 

 I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel 
 filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of grass, 
 and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of 
 control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow.

 I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and 
 don't shift too much. :-)

 Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for 
 dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles 
 on my first ride and a good one it was. 


 We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
 new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
 think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...


 I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling 
 UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-)

 The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have 
 time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later 
 tonight. In the meantime, enjoy...

 Slideshow 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

 or 'no show'

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/

 Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some 
 hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a concept!

 Aloha,

 Bob


 dougP

 On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hunqementation Chapter 1.
 
  The Arrival...
 
  http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/
 
  Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
  arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. 
 I
  did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS 
 guy
  too...must have know what he had in the box. :-)
 
  The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)

Re: [RBW] Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-07 Thread Lyle Bogart 
That is one fine looking bike! Love the shade of green! Enjoy!

Cheers!

lyle

-- 
lyle f bogart dpt

156 bradford rd
wiscasset, me 04578
207.882.6494
206.794.6937


On 6 October 2012 00:47, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hunqementation Chapter 1.

 The Arrival...

 http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

 Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
 arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I
 did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS guy
 too...must have know what he had in the box. :-)

 The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)

 Bet you can guess what I'm up to tomorrow.

 Aloha all!


 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 The QB documentation was great, so the Hunqementation will be just as
 good!


 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great! A Hunq would complement my QB nicely too some day. Big Apples in
 50 are a very nice tire for something like a Hunq.

 happy trails
 jim m
 wc ca


 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Your order has shipped. Those are four of my favorite words.
 Apparently I agreed to 2-Day Air shipping of a brand new 62cm Hunqapillar.
 The air shipping is a bit overboard when you live in Hawaii because, quite
 frankly, it all comes by air anyway. But as I ordered the bike back in May
 I think I'll be happier with a bike this weekend than I would be spending
 the weekend wondering when it'll arrive. Right now it's scheduled for this
 Friday...yes.


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[RBW] Re: NITTO moved max height line higher on Technomics?! Photo proof here.

2012-10-07 Thread lungimsam 
I bought this one out of a place in Iowa.
Rivendell must have a lot of clout to have NITTO move that line on all 
Technomic Standards sold worldwide.

 I want my centimenter back. Ha ha! Just kidding.
  

The extra cm is for safety (keeps more shaft down into steerer)?

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Re: [RBW] Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Seth Vidal 
On Oct 7, 2012 12:29 AM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
 Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
 short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
 Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
 mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
 fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.


Marks' rack has a plate on the very front that you can mount a cyo light to
easily.

You can sort of see it in this picture
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/7229239372/

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread charlie 
Thanks Lyleonly wish I had known some of what I know now, back then.

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:20:49 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:

 One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due 
 to a lifetime of poor diet choices and more likely the natural skinny 
 guy is the one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. 
 What am I trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it 
 may be a false confidence if someone is young and in shape 
 to believe that they are living healthy and will always be in shape

 +1 Charlie! Many of the patients I treat fall into this skinny-fat 
 category and they always seem amazed to learn there's more to being healthy 
 than having low bodyweight. 

 Cheers!

 lyle

 -- 
 lyle f bogart dpt

 156 bradford rd
 wiscasset, me 04578
 207.882.6494
 206.794.6937

 On 7 October 2012 04:14, charlie cl_...@hotmail.com javascript: wrote:

 One may look good on the outside and still have a heart attack at 57 due 
 to a lifetime of poor diet choices. Its not just about being lean although 
 losing body fat is part of the reason I am eating a low carb Primal/Paleo 
 way.eating  primarily meat,eggs, leafy greens and other actual 
 vegetables (no, corn is not a vegetable) berries, nuts and some fruit has 
 allowed me to lose 30 pounds with a very low level of exercise compared to 
 most people. I know my blood sugar is more stable when I eat this way and I 
 feel better doing so. When I was younger.(20's to 30's) I had no 
 trouble keeping my weight down and I was a full 70 pounds lighter at 30 
 years of age than I am at 54. The fat came from eating excessive 
 carbohydrates like pasta, cookies, beer, pizza, baked goods, ice cream etc. 
 etc. plus stress and lack of sleep and a reduction in exercise until about 
 age 42 when I tried riding my fat off without a diet change and never lost 
 a pound until I tried the Atkins approach but soon stopped that on poor 
 advice from supposed professionals.ten years later, I tried it again 
 eating exactly the same as I did earlier and lost fat effortlessly.I 
 might add that we eat plenty of veggies too (not just meat) as some might 
 think. I do believe some are genetically predisposed to being lean no 
 matter what they eat but that doesn't mean their diet choices are healthy 
 or that they will always be lean. Often as those natural lean folks age 
 they develop a pot belly and their arteries clog just like the big fat guys 
 does.heck statistically its more likely the natural skinny guy is the 
 one that has the heart attack and the fat guy lives to be 85. What am I 
 trying to say? Its not just what you see on the outside and it may be a 
 false confidence if someone is young and in shape to believe that they 
 are living healthy and will always be in shape. Here a photo of me at about 
 29 to prove my point. 
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2407446671790set=a.2545020671054.2143016.1419870581type=3theater


 On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:57:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz msch...@nmsu.edu wrote:

 Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. 
 That's just me, not bein' pedantic here.
 Marc
 __**__
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [rbw-owne...@**googlegroups.com] 
 on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bert...@gmail.com]

 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com

 Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

 I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while 
 it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- 
 key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of 
 agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body 
 (dig the double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And 
 more, the Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and 
 diabetic until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat 
 that formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that 
 the traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart 
 trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

 Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch 
 potatoes, but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it 
 off 
 if you eat carbs.

 The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of 
 obesity and diabetes and heart disease.

 Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good 
 bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 
 200% 
 fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for 
 one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may 
 work for some people. Well, my

[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Suggestions?

2012-10-07 Thread Jeremy Till 
I haven't touched a 176 but I seem to remember that it has a slightly more 
sloping ramp to it than the Noodle, and it doesn't have the backwards curve 
to the flats.  The 115 is similar, I've used it and found it to have too 
much reach and drop for me, except on bikes with a super short top tube.   
It does have roomy ramps and flats so there's plenty of hand positions on 
top of the bar.  

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:02:05 PM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:

 Thanks. I'm considering the Nitto 176 - can't quite tell from photos of it 
 - is the angle between the ramps and drops the same as the Noodle?
 I'm also considering the Nitto B115. Anyone used that one?

 On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:27:18 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:

 The normal Nitto choices (Noodle, 176 Dream, Marks, Rando, etc.) and the 
 similar (in shape, not saying anything about quality) Compass/Grand Bois 
 and Velo Orange options are the broad range of go-to choices around here, 
 and a lot of people like their classic looks and roomy curves.  However, 
 the flip side of flat ramps and roomy curves is that these bars often have 
 a lot of reach and sometimes drop, so if you feel like these might stretch 
 you out too far with your preferred cockpit length (TT length and stem), 
 there's tons of good options in the short reach and drop department.  The 
 tradeoff is tighter ergo curves on the bars which may or may not jive 
 with your aesthetic sensibilities.  

 The aforementioned Salsa Bell Lap and Cowbell fit into this category, and 
 both feature drops which are slightly flared.  Other short bars include 
 the Salsa Pro Road, the Soma Hwy 1 (available in silver with a 26.0mm clamp 
 diameter), and a number of Nitto designs not sold by Rivendell.  Check out 
 the Soma online store, which is the retail outlet for Nitto importers Merry 
 Sales (any LBS with a Merry Sales account can also order most of these 
 bars):

 http://store.somafab.com/nittoroadbars.html

 If you want to try the short and shallow thing without investing in nice 
 new bars and can work with a 31.8mm clamp for a while, a lot of LBS's that 
 sell contemporary road bikes will often have a take-off bin of stock drop 
 bars from current road bikes, from when they are swapped out by customers 
 for a different design.  I'm running a pair of Felt-branded generic drop 
 bars at the moment and they've convinced me that I prefer shorter reach 
 bars.  Maybe i'll buy something nicer sometime soon.  

 I'm leaving out full-on flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, Salsa 
 Woodchipper, Origin8 Gary V1, Nitto RM-014 and older WTB designs, since in 
 my mind these are a distinct category of bars requiring a completely 
 different cockpit geometry from normal road drop bars to be set up 
 comfortably.  


 On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:

 Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What do 
 you ride?
 I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths and 
 for some reason they don't hit home for me.
 If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish 
 bike, what would it be?



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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread Tim McNamara 
Too much of anything is bad for you.  Too many carbs, too much fat, too much 
protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much 
laziness, too much stress, etc.   Humans are omnivorous in many ways and can 
thrive in an amazing variety of situations.

Moderation in all things, including moderation.

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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

2012-10-07 Thread Doug Magney 
Here it is, saddle height is about 82 cm.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58723422@N02/7236063988/


On Monday, October 1, 2012 10:14:37 PM UTC-5, John Johnson wrote:

 Thx Doug.  Can you post a pic of your bike?

 On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:02:38 PM UTC-4, Doug Magney wrote:

 My PBH is somewhere between 91.5 and 92.  My 62 Hunq has a mid TT height 
 of 90 cm with 700 x 47 Schwalbe Marathons.  I debated whether to go with a 
 58 or a 62, like you are. Very glad I went bigger. Don't forget that PBH is 
 measured in bare feet and you ride with some kind of shoes on, usually 
 adding about 2.5 cm to your available TT clearance.



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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Jim Cloud 
I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket
that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse).  This is the
same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike.
Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur:
http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html

This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road
Standard:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/

I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket
to the strut of the Mark's Rack.  I like this mounting since it really
permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement.
It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite
sturdy.  Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see
that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website:
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ



On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
 Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
 short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
 Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
 mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
 fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread David Spranger 
Nice idea, Jim! Hope you don't mind that I am going to steal that one for 
an upcoming Hilsen build. I have an M-18 rack and was looking for ideas on 
mounting the light.

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:54:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Cloud wrote:

 I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket 
 that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse).  This is the 
 same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike. 
 Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur: 
 http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html 

 This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road 
 Standard:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/
  

 I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket 
 to the strut of the Mark's Rack.  I like this mounting since it really 
 permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement. 
 It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite 
 sturdy.  Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see 
 that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website: 
 http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 



 On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. 
  Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too 
  short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's 
  Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for 
  mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just 
  fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. 


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[RBW] Any update on the new low riders?

2012-10-07 Thread dougP 
Recall a while back Riv posted photos of the prototype of a new low
rider rack that was a separate piece for each side, nice clean look to
it.  Haven't heard anything further,  Christmas is on the horizon.
Have any of you who regularly visit RBWHQ seen anything exciting?

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Jim Cloud 
David,
I obviously don't might anyone using the idea.  I'm wondering if Mike
Kone at Boulder Bicycles didn't actually come across my Flickr
photostream before he offered the set-up.

He certainly didn't have it available when I started my effort to
mount a headlight on my Mark's Rack.  At the time, Boulder Bicycle had
made the light bracket only as custom item for use on the Nitto M12
rack that he was using on the Boulder Rando bikes.  Maybe we just both
arrived at the same solution to a problem!

Be aware that the light bracket is designed to accommodate an Edelux
or Cyo headlight.  Depending on the headlight that you choose to use,
you might have to do some judicious filing on the bracket to fit it to
another light.  This is what I did to fit my BM headlight.  It was no
big deal, but I did have to file the contour of the bracket end to fit
the recess of a BM headlight.  It was quite easy to do.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Oct 7, 10:13 am, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nice idea, Jim! Hope you don't mind that I am going to steal that one for
 an upcoming Hilsen build. I have an M-18 rack and was looking for ideas on
 mounting the light.

 David
 Charlotte, NC







 On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:54:28 PM UTC-4, Jim Cloud wrote:

  I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket
  that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse).  This is the
  same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike.
  Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur:
 http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html

  This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road
  Standard:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-7...

  I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm) to attach the bracket
  to the strut of the Mark's Rack.  I like this mounting since it really
  permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement.
  It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite
  sturdy.  Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see
  that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website:
 http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

  On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
   Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
   short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
   Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
   mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
   fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Tim McNamara 

On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:45 PM, rw1911 wrote:

 Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all
 three) bars?


My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to ride 
in the drops.  I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they get 
sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain.

IMHO if a reasonably deep drop (150 mm- the old Cinellis were 160 mm IIRC) is 
uncomfortably low when riding in the hooks, then your handlebar is too low to 
begin with.  You should be able to ride for an hour at a time comfortably in 
the drops.  Of course, the modern trend is to set the bars to be pretty aero 
when riding on the hoods- this has been the case especially since Ergo and STI 
were introduced because the big hoods are so much more comfortable than the old 
non-aero hoods were.  But that makes even a shallow drop pretty low once you 
get down into the drops.  I think that's why we're seeing such short drop bars 
and ergo bends to reduce the hand pinching.

The last comfortable bar for me was the 46 cm Nitto 175, of which I have only 
three or four left and I have read that no more are being made.

Being a big guy I found the Randonneurs too narrow at the hoods, but my wife 
(5'10) loves them.  I think they are her favorite bars.  They have a certain 
classic look to them, too.

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Ron Mc 
Won't help with the light bracket, but with an M-18, you can use long Nitto 
stays and cut them to whatever length you need.  
On my old Raleigh, I reached down to grab the dropouts, and still cut a 
couple of inches from the stays.  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20077.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP9180007_zps7ce452ee-1.jpg


On Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:29:31 PM UTC-5, Michael Richters wrote:

 I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. 
 Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too 
 short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's 
 Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for 
 mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just 
 fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. 


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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very
comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm
drop).

Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops
that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:


 My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to
 ride in the drops.  I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and
 they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain.



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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sun, 2012-10-07 at 12:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars
 very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel
 design (125 mm drop). 
 

Sure.  If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a
fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar.  If you have small hands, it's a
different story.  Also, it depends on how you use your bars.

 
 Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with
 drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though.

Many modern users never seem to stray much from the hoods -- which, to
be fair, are far larger in height and diameter than traditional brake
levers -- and never ever ride in the drops or near the bar ends.



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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Medium? My hands are medium.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:



 Sure.  If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a
 fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar.  If you have small hands, it's a
 different story.  Also, it depends on how you use your bars.






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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Tim McNamara 
I'm sure you're right.  I am a moose with big mitts.  Given the decreasing 
availability of deep drop bars and the almost universal prevalence of 
shallow drop bars, I suspect that the majority of folks find them to be fine.


On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

 This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very 
 comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm 
 drop). 
 
 Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with drops 
 that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though.
 
 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
  
 My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable to 
 ride in the drops.  I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and they 
 get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain.

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Tim McNamara 

On Oct 7, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2012-10-07 at 12:41 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars
 very comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel
 design (125 mm drop). 
 
 
 Sure.  If you have a medium to large hand, there isn't the room for a
 fist in the hook of a shallow drop bar.  If you have small hands, it's a
 different story.  Also, it depends on how you use your bars.
 
 
 Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with
 drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though.
 
 Many modern users never seem to stray much from the hoods -- which, to
 be fair, are far larger in height and diameter than traditional brake
 levers -- and never ever ride in the drops or near the bar ends.

That's my observation- and my own experience- too.  There are many rides that I 
never get down into the drops.  For that matter, there are many bikes rides I 
don't shift gears in 40 miles.  Much of the terrain around here doesn't require 
it.

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Jeremy Till 
I don't think you can generalize that big hands will like big drop bars, 
and that anybody who isn't comfortable in deep drops isn't fit right.  I'm 
a big guy (6'3) with big hands, and I like the contemporary short and 
shallow bars.  

In my experience, bars are like saddles--an intensely personal choice that 
can vary even between folks of similar body type.  

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:33:49 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:

 I'm sure you're right.  I am a moose with big mitts.  Given the decreasing 
 availability of deep drop bars and the almost universal prevalence of 
 shallow drop bars, I suspect that the majority of folks find them to be 
 fine. 


 On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: 

  This must depend on your hand size because I find shallow drop bars very 
 comfortable, as I've said many times about the Maes Parallel design (125 mm 
 drop). 
  
  Segwaying: I am amazed when I see the specs for some modern bars with 
 drops that are like mail slots. I've not tried such bars, though. 
  
  On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Tim McNamara 
  tim...@bitstream.netjavascript: 
 wrote: 

  My experience is that the shallower drop bars are really uncomfortable 
 to ride in the drops.  I have big hands (and long arms at 6'3 or 6'4) and 
 they get sort of pinched in the curve, resulting in numbness and pain. 


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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Bill M. 
I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years.  Be aware 
that the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops.  They 
measure 38 cm at the brake levers.  My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at 
the drops.  If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way 
too narrow.  

That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable.  I think 
they are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for 
long distance cruising and short, sharp climbs.  I have the Rando's on my 
commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a 
42 cm drop bar to be too wide.  

If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell. 
 It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the 
drops. 

Bill

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote:

 Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar 
 Suggestions thread... 

 I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if 
 there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand 
 position(s) and long ride comfort) 

 If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in 
 front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at 
 least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the 
 Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if 
 this is true in real life? 

 B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C 
 B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C 
 B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. 
 While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that 
 the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? 

 Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all 
 three) bars? 





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[RBW] Re: Any update on the new low riders?

2012-10-07 Thread Jim Cloud 
Like Doug, I remember seeing a RivBlug segment a while back that concerned 
the low-rider racks they were working on.  I agree with him, if anyone is 
visiting RBWHQ, an update on the development would be desirable.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:27:03 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Recall a while back Riv posted photos of the prototype of a new low 
 rider rack that was a separate piece for each side, nice clean look to 
 it.  Haven't heard anything further,  Christmas is on the horizon. 
 Have any of you who regularly visit RBWHQ seen anything exciting? 

 dougP 


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[RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread Kelly 
I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh. 
  It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people. 
  Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit.  2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's 
in the group.  
List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.   Amit and Tom made the 
entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.   
(expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks)   Doesn't matter, the trip for 
me couldn't have been better.  Even finding a way back to the car was an 
adventure.We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a 
fall.   

it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, 
and Tom D out of Detroit.  They added an extra dimension to the ride and 
were fast friends to all from St Louis.  

We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen. 
  Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107


it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share 
it with my wife.   

So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/

Enjoy

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Stonehog 
Thanks, Jim!  

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

 I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket
 that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse).  This is the
 same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike.
 Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur:
 http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html
 
 This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road
 Standard:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-72157619758078965/
 
 I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm ) to attach the bracket
 to the strut of the Mark's Rack.  I like this mounting since it really
 permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement.
 It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite
 sturdy.  Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see
 that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website:
 http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail
 
 Jim Cloud
 Tucson, AZ
 
 
 
 On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
 Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
 short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
 Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
 mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
 fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread Stonehog 
I have tried Noodles in 46 and 42, Rando 45cm B135, and a B115 that was 38 or 
39. I have small hands and my shoulders are about 46cm (according to my 
daughter's measurement). I found the following:

1. I felt the ramps interfered/bumped my forearms when I was in the drops of 
the 46's.
2. The Randos fit better, but I couldn't use the top flats as they turned my 
arms too inward.
3. The B115s were nice - did a 200k with no discomfort - but they are from an 
older Soma eighties road bike and were a bit scuffed, so the trust wasn't 
there. 
4. Replaced them with 42 Noodles. So far they are great. I like a deep drop as 
I only use it when I have a headwind.  In those cases , the lower the better. 

I also tried a Gary dirt-drop style bar briefly, but it was too wide, and the 
drops were too angled for me. 

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Oct 7, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:

 I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years.  Be aware that 
 the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops.  They measure 38 
 cm at the brake levers.  My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at the drops.  
 If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way too narrow.  
 
 That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable.  I think they 
 are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for long 
 distance cruising and short, sharp climbs.  I have the Rando's on my 
 commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a 42 
 cm drop bar to be too wide.  
 
 If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell.  
 It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the 
 drops. 
 
 Bill
 
 On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote:
 
 Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar 
 Suggestions thread... 
 
 I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if 
 there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand 
 position(s) and long ride comfort) 
 
 If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in 
 front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at 
 least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the 
 Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if 
 this is true in real life? 
 
 B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C 
 B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C 
 B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. 
 While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that 
 the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? 
 
 Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all 
 three) bars?
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Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread James Warren 


Cool. Thank you for that. I'm a sucker for bikes like this one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064274885/in/set-72157631715248107



-Original Message- From: Kelly Sent: Oct 7, 2012 4:20 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh.  It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people.  Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit. 2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in the group. 
List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.  Amit and Tom made the entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.  (expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks)  Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't have been better. Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.  We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall. 

it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, and Tom D out of Detroit. They added an extra dimension to the ride and were fast friends to all from St Louis. 

We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen.  Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107


it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it with my wife. 

So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/

Enjoy

Kelly
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Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread Stonehog 
Looks like a great trip, Kelly. Sorry to hear you got sick! You guys were 
decked out! It really shows the touring versatility of different Rivendell 
models. Any comments on the Atlantis vs. Bombadil load carrying heard while 
riding?  I hope to load up the Hunqapillar like that one of these days. 

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just got back from the CO and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh.   
 It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people.   
 Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit.  2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in 
 the group.  
 List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.   Amit and Tom made the entire 
 ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.   (expensive 
 but damn I was dead in my tracks)   Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't 
 have been better.  Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.We 
 also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall.   
 
 it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, 
 and Tom D out of Detroit.  They added an extra dimension to the ride and were 
 fast friends to all from St Louis.  
 
 We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen.   
 Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him.  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107
 
 
 it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it 
 with my wife.   
 
 So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/
 
 Enjoy
 
 Kelly
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[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread lungimsam 


 Thanks for the report and great shots.
 That is a major bummer, getting sick.
 Hope you are feeling much better.
 I hope Amit's brother didn;t get hurt too badly, and will be ok soon.
  

How long is the trip? Did you camp at campgrounds along the way? Looks like 
a lot of fun!! 

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Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread Kelly 
Brian

I have a 64 Bombadil and my wife has a 61 Atlantis.  Only difference I can tell 
is that the Bombadil has room for larger tires and a mid fork braze on for 
lowrider racks.  However we came up with a bracket for low riders that didn't 
require the additional braze on so all is good.  

She ran 700x40's and I ran 700x50's.  we were both very comfortable and stable.
As were the other riders on a wide range of bikes and tire sizes.

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report

2012-10-07 Thread Kelly 

That is a major bummer, getting sick.
It was it's own adventure getting back to the car. Fun in its on 

I hope Amit's brother didn;t get hurt too badly, and will be ok soon.
I heard Sumeet was home and doing fine.
 
How long is the trip? Did you camp at campgrounds along the way? Looks like 
a lot of fun!! 
Arrive Friday night, shuttle to dc on Saturday and start riding .. Finish on 
Friday.   Had a buffer day added in but we didn't need it so we were home 
Saturday instead of Sunday.  So 7 days riding and 2 days travel.

Yes we camped along the route accept for a motel stay in Cumberland.   

It was a great way to spend vacation!!

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread charlie 
Kind of agree and kind of don't...(for some) trying to lose fat, 
moderation amounts to no progress. For those people it takes absolute 
vigilance and resolve without any wavering to lose fat and maintain their 
effort. Compromise just doesn't end well ultimately. Maybe for the average 
person that idea is okay..I'll give ya that. For someone on the edge of 
diabetes, compromise will put them over the edge into the abyss of insulin 
injections and a decline in the quality of life.

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:02:23 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:

 Too much of anything is bad for you.  Too many carbs, too much fat, too 
 much protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much 
 laziness, too much stress, etc.   Humans are omnivorous in many ways and 
 can thrive in an amazing variety of situations. 

 Moderation in all things, including moderation. 


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[RBW] that nice bike comment

2012-10-07 Thread dougP 
So we're toodling down our local bike path this afternoon when a guy
on a side path, waiting for us to pass, comments nice bikes so of
course I thank him.  Moments later he cruises by with the comment
I've got one of those at home.  He's riding a nice lugged steel bike
with an Acorn saddlebag but passes so quickly I can't read the name.
Speeding up I eventually catch him to ask about the comment.  Oh, I
have an Atlantis and also a Hilsen.  Turns out he's riding a Woodrup
(???) or something close, an English bike sporting bolt on cable
housing clamps, etc.  He's aware of our SoCal Riv Riders Appreciation
Society  now that he knows we're for real may join us in the future.
My wife was amazed:  You mean he recognized our bikes as we rode
by?  It's like bird watching:  if you know what you're looking at,
it's easy to spot them.

dougP

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[RBW] Schwalbe Marathon Supreme update

2012-10-07 Thread dougP 
Rivendell says they cost a lot, last forever  don't get flats.  2 our
3 ain't bad (they do have a disclaimer on that).  In May 2011, I
installed a pair of 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis.  They were
purchased used from a list member.  Whatever use he put on them did
not amount to much as I changed out the rear after over 7,500 miles 
ONE (count 'em!) flat.  It wasn't totally worn out but the moment was
right.  The front has had zero flats  looks good to go for another
couple of thousand or so.

In the meantime, I got a set of 45 mm Marathon Plus with Smart Guard
from another list member.  They have zero miles; they just didn't fit
his fenders.  One of those is on the rear now.  Being a bit wider and
about double the weight (1,070 grams of steel  ruibber), I don't
expect to have any further comment until perhaps 2014.

When you think about the cost per mile and the flat resistance, Riv's
statements are pretty much on target.

dougP

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[RBW] Re: that nice bike comment

2012-10-07 Thread Allan in Portland 


On Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:00:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 if you know what you're looking at, it's easy to spot them. 

 Had that happen to me a couple weeks ago. I'm on my commute home. Some guy 
who was behind me, but not all that long and so couldn't have been all that 
close speeds up enough to not quite pass, but to catch my peripheral vision 
as he makes an arcing turn to a side street. As I glance over at him he 
yells, hey, nice bike. I give him a big smile and nod, and hollar 
thanks back. They're fun bikes for sure.

-Allan

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-07 Thread Jim Cloud 
Hi Brian,

I hope it's useful for you!

Jim

On Oct 7, 4:56 pm, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Jim!

 Mobile Brian Hanson

 On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:







  I've mounted a BM dynamo headlight on my Mark's Rack using a bracket
  that is available from Boulder Bicycle (aka Rene Herse).  This is the
  same bracket that is used on the Boulder Bicycle randonneur bike.
  Here's a photo showing the bracket on a Boulder Bicycle randonneur:
 http://www.csrichards.com/allroad/content/IMG_3358_large.html

  This bracket is shown here, as it's mounted on my Rivendell Road
  Standard:  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/5326175546/sizes/l/in/set-7...

  I used a Nitto rack nut and bolt (available from Rivbike:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20184.htm) to attach the bracket
  to the strut of the Mark's Rack.  I like this mounting since it really
  permits a very considerable amount of adjustment for light placement.
  It's also very stable, the light bracket from Boulder Bicycle is quite
  sturdy.  Since I put my Mark's Rack and light bracket together, I see
  that Mike Kone actually offers the same set-up on his website:
 http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-686/Nitto-M18-Rack-for/Detail

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

  On Oct 6, 9:29 pm, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
  Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
  short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
  Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
  mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
  fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.

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[RBW] Re: that nice bike comment

2012-10-07 Thread Michael_S 
you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made 
lugged steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years.  
http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html

I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego coast... 
almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars.  Oh. I see the occasional 
Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.




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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

2012-10-07 Thread rw1911 
Thanks all, very informative.  After learning the differences in how
the bars are measured, I think the Randos would be much too narrow for
my taste.



On Oct 7, 5:11 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 I've had both Noodles (42 cm) and 135 Rando's for many years.  Be aware
 that the width of the 135's is measured at the ends of the drops.  They
 measure 38 cm at the brake levers.  My Noodles are 42 at the levers, 43 at
 the drops.  If you like the 46 Noodles, you'll likely find the Rando's way
 too narrow.

 That said, the 135's ramps and drops are both very comfortable.  I think
 they are at their best when set high enough that the drops are viable for
 long distance cruising and short, sharp climbs.  I have the Rando's on my
 commuter, and find the narrow hoods to be fine, but I find anything over a
 42 cm drop bar to be too wide.

 If you want to try a bar with a bit more flare, consider the Salsa Cowbell.
  It only comes in 31.8 mm and black, but It has a very nice flare to the
 drops.

 Bill







 On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:45:36 PM UTC-7, rw1911 wrote:

  Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar
  Suggestions thread...

  I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if
  there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand
  position(s) and long ride comfort)

  If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in
  front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at
  least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the
  Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if
  this is true in real life?

  B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C
  B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C
  B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C.
  While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that
  the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare?

  Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all
  three) bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: that nice bike comment

2012-10-07 Thread cyclotourist 
Was at CicLAvia today in LA and most bikes were big-box dept store bikes,
or 80's universal Japanese bikes. A generalization of course, but sort of
seemed that way. One rider was pacing me and finally passed by saying he
was just trying to get a good look at my bike. That was after I almost
swerved into him of course. LOTS of bike baskets. Front and rear, male and
female, everybody had baskets, which of course is cool. No fenders, but
this is LA...

I did see a gentleman riding a Rambouillet. I was a bit slow on the uptake
and didn't get a pic, and he was too far away for me to start hollering
Nice bike!!! But wow did that bike stand out. It was the orange one and
it was just glowing it was so nice.

A real fun day that I got to spend with 100,000 of my closest cycling
friends:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157631717147223/with/8064939352/

Will need to spark up a SoCal Riv-Ride soon!


On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made
 lugged steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years.
 http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html

 I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego
 coast... almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars.  Oh. I see the
 occasional Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-07 Thread grant 
What seems to work and make sense --- is that certain ethnicities have 
naturally more insulin-sensitivity (this can be overly simplified to 
resistance to getting fat and diabetes) than others. Africans and Native 
Americans, for instance, have a short history of carby eating (as little as 
150 years  in some cases), and that probably explains why they gain weight 
and become diabetic sooner than Iranians. Insulin sensitivity is also 
developed in the womb. If mom's insulin resistant, baby tends to be, too. 
As you age and eat a diet that requires a constant stream of insulin from 
your pancrease, WHATEVER insulin resistance you had at the beginning of 
life will decrease. What that insulin resistance IS for anybody is largely 
unknown without testing. The tests are available and cheap, but people 
don't do them (for the most part) until they're confirmed diabetics who 
have to do them or suffer. To test your glucose without being diabetic is 
to be regarded as a nut-job.
Meanwhile we have naturally insulin-resistant people, skinny and all while 
following (for instance) a vegan diet and using their own success with that 
as proof that it works for others---without considering the wide range of 
insulin sensitivities in others. 
The comment about moderation working for some but not for others seems to 
be right on the money. 
You can't accumulate fat in the absence of insulin (Type 1 diabetics, who 
produce none of it, tend to be skinny, and only aren't skinny when they eat 
lots of carbs and have to inject lots of insulin to cover them). insulin 
literally prevents you from burning body fat as fuel. You cannot burn off 
your buttocks riding tons of miles if you eat carbs to fuel your riding, 
which is why there are so many relatively heavy megamilers.
OF COURSE, one must do what works for one, but the reality seems to be that 
over time your insulin sensitivity decreases (you become more 
insulin-resistant, more closer-to-diabetic), and if your carb intake 
doesn't decrease commensurately, you will get fatter as you age. This may 
be good news or bad news, but these ideas here are not chock full of 
nonsense.

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:06:03 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have 
 entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves 
 me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the 
 wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

 I recently stumbled across a web site, 
 http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some 
 health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the 
 Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the 
 conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and 
 congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And 
 they build on them.  They seem pretty practical, especially around 
 exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but 
 still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible.

 Have others on this list looked into this program more deeply, or tried it 
 out.  What did you find, and what do you think?

 Michael


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