[RBW] Re: Atlantis as snow bike

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I haven't owned a car since August 2004, so I've been riding my bike for 
fun, by necessity, ever since. I live in the Twin Cities, which means that 
we have classic winter conditions for a few months per year. I ride my bike 
year-round, winter included. One thing a lot of people don't know about 
winter cycling is that conditions are incredibly variable - I never get 
bored even doing the same commute everyday. During a fluffy snowstorm, the 
sparkling white blanket is lovely. To a vigorous cyclist like me, such 
conditions invite a bike ride, whether I have to or not. Occasionally 
conditions are brutally difficult, or even dangerous, but that can be its 
own kind of fun. If I don't feel like riding I take the bus. Or I say to 
Hell with it, and stay home. But bailing out on riding is more a function 
of my mood than of weather.

That Atlantis pic I posted earlier was from January 2007, and 6 years 
later, I remember that ride fondly. I enjoy winter riding and learn 
something new with every ride. My current winter bike has really expanded 
my definitions of winter cycling. I'm no longer constrained to city bike 
paths and plowed/packed streets. It's not a Riv, so I won't gush about it 
here, but this bike has been a revelation to me.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CWVn0oGBHn8/UR6q-NLLmEI/BdQ/MeZ5-8YMrOI/s320/tubeless9.JPG

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:17:39 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 I don't know Jim was is that really fun? Or is it a function of necessity?

 Hugh
 Sunland ( the name say's it all) CA

 On Friday, March 1, 2013 6:53:14 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0093009/photos/twowheelflight/365091479/



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[RBW] Sugino crank question

2013-03-02 Thread Michael Hechmer
I am in the process of rebuilding a RD2 crankset and discovered, actually 
remembered, that it needs a shim between the middle ring and spider to 
prevent chain suck when shifting to the inside ring.  I have had three of 
these cranks over the years and all three had this problem.  Is this my bad 
luck, or is this a widespread experience?  

Michael

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[RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and 
fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. 
http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/
 
. That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may 
use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or 
so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with 
a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
 Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
 a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
 of interest to some folks on here. 

 Becoming A Biking 
 Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html

 --Smitty


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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a Bleriot.  
But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, Radish) be netter 
for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe even lower, with one of 
the Xtracycle models.  Also, the Betty is 650b and the Free Radical conversion 
kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- something to do with rear brake 
installation, I think.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick 
lamontg...@mac.commailto:lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy and 
fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. 
http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/
 . That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may 
use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or so 
years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with a Riv 
of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie Wool, 
Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on a friends 
blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be of interest to 
some folks on here.

Becoming A Biking 
Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html

--Smitty

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[RBW] New AHH on the way!

2013-03-02 Thread Pondero
Perfect!  Looking forward to photos and a ride report.  Enjoy...

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[RBW] Re: New AHH on the way!

2013-03-02 Thread Tom Goodmann
Congratulations! Many safe and happy miles to you and your AHH; do please 
post pictures of the bike and of your rides.

Tom

On Friday, March 1, 2013 4:52:24 PM UTC-5, NWAJack wrote:

 So after a few delays, the new AHH is on the way and set to arrive this 
 Monday. I originally ordered in November, but when the fork arrived 
 there was a small defect – Keven mentioned it would not be noticeable by me 
 – but they wanted to make sure it was right so had the fork rebuilt. 
 Mark built it for me last Friday, and it shipped from Walnut Creek on 
 Tuesday.I’ll post a pic when it arrives.   It’s a full build.  
Basic specs:

  

 57 A. Homer Hilsen

 Noodle handlebars

 Silver shifters

 Tektro R559 Brakes

 Chris King Gripnut Headset

 Nitto seat post

 XD2 46/36/24 crank

 11-32 Cassette

 King cages

 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes – 35mm

 Single leg kickstand

 SKS longboards

 Sackville Xsmall saddlebag (this is back-ordered right now)

 And I scored an Acorn handlebar bag.

  

 I am so friggin psyched…… J

  

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[RBW] Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I just saw that thanks to Off the Beaten Path's link to Grant's very
good review of the Herse book. The following article, on city bikes
and the needless frou frou of many NAHB creations, is also very good
as are his ruminations on what makes up a good City Bike. I don't
agree with him completely on the City Bike (my credentials, fwtw: I
started urban riding at age 12 or so in New and Old Delhi, India where
traffic was more urban than any other place else I've seen) but have
to admit that his criteria are very arguable [that means: one can make
a very good argument for them].

What, per curiosity, are y'all's (that's all y'all's) ideas about the
ideal city bike? Mine (this is of course both very personal and
depends on one's commuting situation) includes lowish drop bars for
our winds (nothing to make one despair as having to ride into a 25 mph
headwind for miles and miles) and a fixed gear just 'cause I like it,
dynamo lights (serious omission, Grant) and a permanent rack or
saddlebag but not both. Fenders, sure, why not, but then here in high
desert ABQ we've been having a drought where we get only half to 2/3
of our annual 9 inches. Oh, and tires no less than 28 mm but no fatter
than 35, leaning to good rolling rather than puncture resistance
(because if you want to be flat free out here, you'll be riding, as I
know some to ride, either an old tire stuffed into the outer tire, or
else belted tire + thorn proof tube + sealant, and who the hell wants
that?)

I'd pay good money to have the Reader four or even twice a year. I
think I liked it as much as, perhaps even more than, BQ.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if 
the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old 
with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

  My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a 
 Bleriot.  But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, 
 Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe 
 even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models.  Also, the Betty is 650b and 
 the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- 
 something to do with rear brake installation, I think. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

   After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy 
 and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. 
 http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/.
  That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may 
 use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or 
 so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with 
 a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). 

  With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: 

 This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
 Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
 a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
 of interest to some folks on here.  

  Becoming A Biking 
 Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html

  --Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

2013-03-02 Thread Leslie
Woot!

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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

2013-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't do caffeine at all so fail to meet the minimum requirements, but 
look forward to what the pin looks like. Any photos?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 1, 2013 12:01:14 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 OK I wanted to give an update on this project.

 A new batch of pins has been ordered and I was given a 4 week delivery 
 time. Both previous orders arrived faster, but plan on the full 4. I am 
 awaiting my invoice to determine pricing adjustments.

 I have also sent the artwork for getting a quote on patches. Luckily they 
 do not have to be ordered in high quantity. Pricing and availability TBD.

 After a bunch of research it looks like Bigcartel is the perfect solution 
 for handling the orders. THANK YOU Brian (Benedikt) for that suggestion!! 
 Free pin for you!

 I am in the process of setting up the storefront and when the product 
 arrives, I will add the inventory and post the link here. Simple add to 
 cart and pay. I'll add patches if/when they happen.

 Cheers!


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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

2013-03-02 Thread jinxed
Yours will go out this coming week along with two others that paypalled. 
Thankfully I had exactly 3 pins left. I dont like to take money without 
product in hand!

I'll drop a line to you three via your PP email addresses when they go out. 
Should be Monday.

On Friday, March 1, 2013 7:42:16 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 Great! Will mine be a part of the new run or was there a left-over from a 
 previous order? If you remember, I was the dummy who sent $10 without 
 reading that he thread was 4 years old!



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[RBW] Re: New AHH on the way!

2013-03-02 Thread Michael


 Congrats!! Let us know how it is. Pics, too!


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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

2013-03-02 Thread Andy Williams
Are these still available?  How do I join?  Acquire the badge?

A must-have!

Andy

On Friday, May 15, 2009 4:08:31 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 Are you a member? 

 So here is the story...turning the way-back machine to about 1996, 
 some friends and I were sitting over coffee after a ride and started 
 to recount how many times we had done this. As it turned out, it was 
 apparent that not only had the vast majority of our rides (bike, 
 motorcycle, skateboard, snowboard...) started or ended over coffee, 
 but many of our good friends and riding partners were met at the cafes 
 we were frequenting. We had a pretty good network that spanned darn 
 near coast to coast. An Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen I 
 blurted out while simultaneously sketching out a logo on the 
 napkin 

 Fast forward to about 6 months ago, I was digging through some piles 
 of artwork looking for something, and stumbled on my original sketch. 
 All of the patches and hats we had originally done up were long 
 retired, lost, or given away...so I got in touch with some of the 
 original ACW's and told them I was going to mint some lapel 
 pins...everyone chipped in to beat the minimums. 

 Our whole thing was very tongue in cheek, but we wanted it to have an 
 old money-secret society-unleash the hounds type of feel to it. 
 Anyway after finding the iBob's / ROB's and meeting so many awesome 
 people and reading about the network that exists between the riders, I 
 thought it would be cool to expand the ACW. 

 It's all for fun and conversation, and really just a bit of decoration 
 for the bags, hats etc...but wanted to offer them up. I have @ 20-30 
 or so left of the lapel pins, but we can do more if interest is there. 
 We were also contemplating doing up some patches too? 

 $6/pc shipped to you. Trades for your club pins is good too. For 
 that matter no interesting trade would be turned down. Drop me line 
 hbc...@yahoo.com javascript: or just paypal me there with your info! 

 Stay thirsty my friendsfor coffee. ;) 

 http://tinyurl.com/rx66y8

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[RBW] FS: Paul, Bullmoose, Phil Rivy Wheels, Brooks Pro

2013-03-02 Thread Marty
A few more items up for grabs:

Nitto Bullmoose 150s. Like new. $100 shipped. Free VO Headset-mount bell. 
Paul Thumbies. Like new. $55 shipped.
Phil Rivy/Mavic MA40 (NOS) 40-hole wheelset. 7 speed freewheel. Rich-built. 
Very few miles. Amazing! $450 shipped. 
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x50. Unused pair. $90 shipped. 
Twin-leg kickstand with feet. Like new. $30 shipped. 
24 tooth TA chainring. Mounted but not used. $25 shipped.
Brooks Team Pro saddle with character! Great looking saddle for a vintage 
racer. $35 shipped.

Bundle offers welcome. I'm close to the bottom of my stash! Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/sets/72157629094698258/

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
My friend Madi had two kid seats on a regular 
bikehttp://familyride.us/2011/08/02/new-big-bag-new-small-basket/. 
She made it work and could cram an impressive amount of stuff on there but 
she eventually got a Big Dummy (frame + rack + fenders all powder coated 
pink). 

650b would work fine on a free radical... just use disk brakes and the 700c 
spacers... or improvise your own spacers. Or go 650b front and 26 rear 
then get different size tires to make the outside diameter match. 

If yer wife wants to haul kids on a regular basis, she'd be better off 
getting an actual longtail. It could be sold in several years and she could 
get a sparkly new BF when the kids are on their own. Or buy the BF with the 
gas money saved from her riding the longtail everywhere 'cause she loves it 
so much.

my 2 cents. 

I realize I started this thread, but the Riv-ness of continuing this 
discussion is questionable, feel free to email me direct if you want to 
discuss family biking. 
54canoe at the mail with a G and dot com

--Smitty 




 

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:45:15 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is 
 if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a 
 three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

  My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a 
 Bleriot.  But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, 
 Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe 
 even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models.  Also, the Betty is 650b and 
 the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- 
 something to do with rear brake installation, I think. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:

   After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy 
 and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. 
 http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/.
  That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may 
 use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or 
 so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with 
 a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). 

  With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: 

 This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
 Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
 a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
 of interest to some folks on here.  

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

2013-03-02 Thread jinxed
Andy,

There is a new run being made now. I will post a link to a store front for 
purchase when they're available.

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:12:20 AM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:

 Are these still available?  How do I join?  Acquire the badge?

 A must-have!

 Andy

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 Are you a member? 

 So here is the story...turning the way-back machine to about 1996, 
 some friends and I were sitting over coffee after a ride and started 
 to recount how many times we had done this. As it turned out, it was 
 apparent that not only had the vast majority of our rides (bike, 
 motorcycle, skateboard, snowboard...) started or ended over coffee, 
 but many of our good friends and riding partners were met at the cafes 
 we were frequenting. We had a pretty good network that spanned darn 
 near coast to coast. An Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen I 
 blurted out while simultaneously sketching out a logo on the 
 napkin 

 Fast forward to about 6 months ago, I was digging through some piles 
 of artwork looking for something, and stumbled on my original sketch. 
 All of the patches and hats we had originally done up were long 
 retired, lost, or given away...so I got in touch with some of the 
 original ACW's and told them I was going to mint some lapel 
 pins...everyone chipped in to beat the minimums. 

 Our whole thing was very tongue in cheek, but we wanted it to have an 
 old money-secret society-unleash the hounds type of feel to it. 
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 people and reading about the network that exists between the riders, I 
 thought it would be cool to expand the ACW. 

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

2013-03-02 Thread jinxed
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul, Bullmoose, Phil Rivy Wheels, Brooks Pro

2013-03-02 Thread Marty


 Bullmoose, Brooks saddle and Twin-legger are sold. Thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Front Rack ideas

2013-03-02 Thread René Sterental
That seems to be the Nitto Big Rear rack mounted on the front. That's why
the Bombadil and newer forks have bolts on the top of the fork crown. It
allows mounting rear racks on the fork easily.

René

On Friday, March 1, 2013, BenG wrote:

 Great pictures, Earl!  The Nitto front rack on that Bombadil - that's the
 one I want.  Same one that's on the lead Atlantis photo on Riv's site.  The
 big front rack sold today at Riv, as installed in the site video, obscures
 the beautiful fork legs.  I prefer the rack leg proud of the fork leg so
 they both stand out.  Not planning to use front panniers, so not making the
 utility tradeoff. Anybody know the what and where on the earlier one?

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[RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Jeremy Till
I would I generally agree with GP's considerations about city bikes, but 
would add a couple of my own additions: 

-As few gears as is possible.  Why?  Drivetrain reliability.  The fewer 
gears you have, especially if you're down to one or no derailleurs, means 
that there's much less stuff to go wrong/out of adjustment, and a much 
lower chance that a drivetrain problem will put the bike out of comission 
or at least make the ride less enjoyable (of course, friction shifting 
helps here).  Furthermore, chains that shift less and with smaller 
chainline error will be more efficient and last longer.  Now, if your city 
bike is also your only bike, or you live in a city where there are 
significant and extended climbs, a full triple might be as few gears as 
possible.  But, if you're going to have a bike which is the designated 
city bike, i say simplicity rules.  

-Brakes that have clearance for 30mm+ tires and fenders AND allow for 
consistent braking performance for a year+ WITHOUT adjusting the brake 
pads.  This is the biggest failing of the V-brakes and cantilever brakes 
that are common on this type of bike currently--as the pads wear, the go 
out of alignment, eventually to the point where they are no longer fully 
contacting the braking surface of the rim, and could potentially catch in 
the spokes.  Yes, it does happen slowly so it's no problem for the 
attentive garage mechanic who checks their brakes every few months, or the 
consumer that takes their bike into the shop religiously.  For the majority 
of people that just want to ride their bike and treat it like their car 
(i.e., don't worry about it until something isn't working right), allowing 
their brake pads to wear for a year+ then makes the brakes really 
ineffective or potentially dangerous, and often more difficult to adjust 
properly since the pads have worn at an angle.  

IMHO, this is one of the biggest problems in brake design right now, and 
hopefully will get some attention as practical bikes with fat tires get 
more attention.  Mechanical disc brakes don't work, since they too go out 
of adjustment as the pads wear.  Hydraulic discs are cool in that they 
self-adjust for wear, but they (along with mech. discs, but moreso) require 
a very specific frame/wheel/handlebar (no drop bars, yet) setup to work 
well.  Plus bleeding them when they need it is complex and costly.  Cheap 
disc brakes on cheap frames are the worst.  Drum brakes in theory might be 
a good idea, but they are as rare as hen's teeth in the US.  The only ones 
I see regularly are the hilariously ineffective Shimano Nexus Roller Brake 
units. 

Road sidepull caliper brakes are my favorite brakes in terms of their 
ability to deliver consistent braking performance with minimal adjustment 
over time, save maybe dialing out the barrel adjuster.  BUT, as GP and 
others are fond of pointing out, they have significant limitations when it 
comes to tire + fender clearance.  Tektro does good in this regard, 
especially with the R559 series of brakes, but most Tektro brakes pay for 
their clearance by being flexy.  I'd like to see them get some competition, 
hopefully from Shimano.  

-I know everyone here likes dyno lights but battery lights have come a long 
ways recently, and they are still way cheaper/simpler that a dyno light 
setup.  Plus many now feature USB rechargeability so for most commuters the 
inconvenience of having to charge batteries in minimal.  If your night 
riding is occasional, short, and usually at one end of the day (riding 
home) then they win in my book.  I do think that what many dyno lights have 
shown, however, is that lights mounted low down, on the fork, are much more 
effective for seeing than lights mounted on the handlebars, so I'd like to 
see more commuters have provisions for light mounting on the fork.  

Consider all of the above, my Quickbeam does pretty well for me as a 
commuter bike.  It has a fixed gear for reliability (plus the control), 
which also minimizes the amount I use the brakes and reduces the problems 
from brake pad wear on the cantilever brakes.  The mid-fork tabs are 
awesome for mounting a Gino light mount for my lights.  And of course, fat 
tires, fenders, a rack, and a big saddlebag.  I'll post pictures of the 
setup one of these days.  

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:37:01 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I just saw that thanks to Off the Beaten Path's link to Grant's very 
 good review of the Herse book. The following article, on city bikes 
 and the needless frou frou of many NAHB creations, is also very good 
 as are his ruminations on what makes up a good City Bike. I don't 
 agree with him completely on the City Bike (my credentials, fwtw: I 
 started urban riding at age 12 or so in New and Old Delhi, India where 
 traffic was more urban than any other place else I've seen) but have 
 to admit that his criteria are very arguable [that means: one can make 
 a very good argument for them]. 

 What, per 

[RBW] Re: Sugino crank question

2013-03-02 Thread dougP
Michael:

I can't answer your question but it does raise one on my part.  I have the 
Rivendell standard issue triple crank (XD2?) and have often been bothered 
by chain suck on the middle-to-granny shift.  Careful, well planned shifts 
work fine.  It's the panicky, sloppy ones where I don't ease up enough on 
the pedals that create the problem.  

Does simply adding some shims at the middle ring solve this?  If so, what 
thickness?  My crank did not come with shims so I never thought about 
them.  

dougP

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:14:30 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I am in the process of rebuilding a RD2 crankset and discovered, actually 
 remembered, that it needs a shim between the middle ring and spider to 
 prevent chain suck when shifting to the inside ring.  I have had three of 
 these cranks over the years and all three had this problem.  Is this my bad 
 luck, or is this a widespread experience?  

 Michael


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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Anne Paulson
This depends very much on what kind of person you are. If you're a
methodical person who follows routines and is disciplined,
rechargeables will be just dandy.  If you're a ADHD type  who forgets
to do things, batteries and rechargeables are a recipe for finding
yourself riding in a dark night with no lights. Lots of people are not
methodical. I love that I can turn my light on in the fall, after not
doing any night riding all summer, and get light. Every time.

 -I know everyone here likes dyno lights but battery lights have come a long
 ways recently, and they are still way cheaper/simpler that a dyno light
 setup.  Plus many now feature USB rechargeability so for most commuters the
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Re: [RBW] Front Rack ideas

2013-03-02 Thread Dan McNamara
Yah - I think it would be the two-strut top rack. Now discontinued. But 
probably could be put together. 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r7.htm


Dan


On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:27 AM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 That seems to be the Nitto Big Rear rack mounted on the front. That's why the 
 Bombadil and newer forks have bolts on the top of the fork crown. It allows 
 mounting rear racks on the fork easily. 
 
 René 
 
 On Friday, March 1, 2013, BenG wrote:
 Great pictures, Earl!  The Nitto front rack on that Bombadil - that's the 
 one I want.  Same one that's on the lead Atlantis photo on Riv's site.  The 
 big front rack sold today at Riv, as installed in the site video, obscures 
 the beautiful fork legs.  I prefer the rack leg proud of the fork leg so 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I think a Quickbeam would make an excellent commuter.

As for mechanical disks, which I've used now on two bikes: I've got
over 1500 miles on my current set of disk pads -- come to think of it,
they may have double that for all I know, since I forget if they came
with my Fargo or if I installed them after purchase; at any rate, at
least 1500 miles, the pads have half their width left, and they are
still fully in adjustment -- which in any case is easy with the
caliper dials. IME, the real hassle of disks is that it is easy to
bend the rotors and, once you do this, you can't perfectly straighten
them out again. But for weather-proof-ness, ease of wheel removal and
swapping between rims of different width, and power -- tho' not
modulation or looks -- they seem to me to be ideal.

Note that disks on a fixed gear would seem to me to be overkill.

I agree that the more occasional the use, the more viable a battery
light -- as long as your batteries have very long shelf life. One
option that splits the difference with advantages compared to either
is a good bottle or bb dynamo.

I'd post a photo of my Riv fixed commuter, but y'all are familiar with
it already -- prolly ad nauseam.

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  Mechanical disc brakes don't work, since they too go out of
 adjustment as the pads wear.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Yeah, I've found myself forced to ride 15 miles home with a cheap,
newly purchased, 2D cell Walgreen's flashlight taped to the underside
of the bar hook -- not reassuring. OTOH, I commuted for several years
the same 30 miles rt with rechargeables, and I'm hardly methodical.

The dealmaker with dynamos, IMO, is the very wonderful LED lights that
have showed up in the last 10 years -- wasn't the IQ Fly an early one?
And the more recent ones are even better. (My brother just built his
first dyno wheel for a used Fly and was amazed at how good it is,
outclassed tho' it be.) A bottle and a Fly would make a very usable
and very inexpensive setup.

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 This depends very much on what kind of person you are. If you're a
 methodical person who follows routines and is disciplined,
 rechargeables will be just dandy.  If you're a ADHD type  who forgets
 to do things, batteries and rechargeables are a recipe for finding
 yourself riding in a dark night with no lights. Lots of people are not
 methodical. I love that I can turn my light on in the fall, after not
 doing any night riding all summer, and get light. Every time.

 -I know everyone here likes dyno lights but battery lights have come a long
 ways recently, and they are still way cheaper/simpler that a dyno light
 setup.  Plus many now feature USB rechargeability so for most commuters the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino crank question

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Hah! Is chainsuck a design problem then? I've suffered it in spades on
the Fargo with its XD2 and, after the last episode where it jammed so
hard it permanently twisted the chain and bent the outer ring 30*, I
had one of those catch-chain devices installed. I've not had this
problem, to this extent,with any other double or triple. (The XD2 has
a 38 in middle and the 24 granny.)

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Michael:

 I can't answer your question but it does raise one on my part.  I have the
 Rivendell standard issue triple crank (XD2?) and have often been bothered by
 chain suck on the middle-to-granny shift.  Careful, well planned shifts work
 fine.  It's the panicky, sloppy ones where I don't ease up enough on the
 pedals that create the problem.

 Does simply adding some shims at the middle ring solve this?  If so, what
 thickness?  My crank did not come with shims so I never thought about them.

 dougP

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:14:30 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I am in the process of rebuilding a RD2 crankset and discovered, actually
 remembered, that it needs a shim between the middle ring and spider to
 prevent chain suck when shifting to the inside ring.  I have had three of
 these cranks over the years and all three had this problem.  Is this my bad
 luck, or is this a widespread experience?

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Re: [RBW] Front Rack ideas

2013-03-02 Thread Leslie
I put a rear Tubus rack on the front of my Bomba, 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7460286064/in/photostream/lightbox/ 
;  however, I like Nitto racks too, have a Mark's on my Ram to support my boxy 
rando bag.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Peter Morgano
Jeremy, you must be a younger guy because you left out coaster brakes, the
only real set it and forget setup from back in the day. I don't ever
remember servicing my 3 speed coaster brake setup, I mean in a decade.
Granted I would not descend a mountain with it, but for city riding 3 speed
and coaster brake always worked great.
On Mar 2, 2013 12:15 PM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would I generally agree with GP's considerations about city bikes, but
 would add a couple of my own additions:

 -As few gears as is possible.  Why?  Drivetrain reliability.  The fewer
 gears you have, especially if you're down to one or no derailleurs, means
 that there's much less stuff to go wrong/out of adjustment, and a much
 lower chance that a drivetrain problem will put the bike out of comission
 or at least make the ride less enjoyable (of course, friction shifting
 helps here).  Furthermore, chains that shift less and with smaller
 chainline error will be more efficient and last longer.  Now, if your city
 bike is also your only bike, or you live in a city where there are
 significant and extended climbs, a full triple might be as few gears as
 possible.  But, if you're going to have a bike which is the designated
 city bike, i say simplicity rules.

 -Brakes that have clearance for 30mm+ tires and fenders AND allow for
 consistent braking performance for a year+ WITHOUT adjusting the brake
 pads.  This is the biggest failing of the V-brakes and cantilever brakes
 that are common on this type of bike currently--as the pads wear, the go
 out of alignment, eventually to the point where they are no longer fully
 contacting the braking surface of the rim, and could potentially catch in
 the spokes.  Yes, it does happen slowly so it's no problem for the
 attentive garage mechanic who checks their brakes every few months, or the
 consumer that takes their bike into the shop religiously.  For the majority
 of people that just want to ride their bike and treat it like their car
 (i.e., don't worry about it until something isn't working right), allowing
 their brake pads to wear for a year+ then makes the brakes really
 ineffective or potentially dangerous, and often more difficult to adjust
 properly since the pads have worn at an angle.

 IMHO, this is one of the biggest problems in brake design right now, and
 hopefully will get some attention as practical bikes with fat tires get
 more attention.  Mechanical disc brakes don't work, since they too go out
 of adjustment as the pads wear.  Hydraulic discs are cool in that they
 self-adjust for wear, but they (along with mech. discs, but moreso) require
 a very specific frame/wheel/handlebar (no drop bars, yet) setup to work
 well.  Plus bleeding them when they need it is complex and costly.  Cheap
 disc brakes on cheap frames are the worst.  Drum brakes in theory might be
 a good idea, but they are as rare as hen's teeth in the US.  The only ones
 I see regularly are the hilariously ineffective Shimano Nexus Roller Brake
 units.

 Road sidepull caliper brakes are my favorite brakes in terms of their
 ability to deliver consistent braking performance with minimal adjustment
 over time, save maybe dialing out the barrel adjuster.  BUT, as GP and
 others are fond of pointing out, they have significant limitations when it
 comes to tire + fender clearance.  Tektro does good in this regard,
 especially with the R559 series of brakes, but most Tektro brakes pay for
 their clearance by being flexy.  I'd like to see them get some competition,
 hopefully from Shimano.

 -I know everyone here likes dyno lights but battery lights have come a
 long ways recently, and they are still way cheaper/simpler that a dyno
 light setup.  Plus many now feature USB rechargeability so for most
 commuters the inconvenience of having to charge batteries in minimal.  If
 your night riding is occasional, short, and usually at one end of the day
 (riding home) then they win in my book.  I do think that what many dyno
 lights have shown, however, is that lights mounted low down, on the fork,
 are much more effective for seeing than lights mounted on the handlebars,
 so I'd like to see more commuters have provisions for light mounting on the
 fork.

 Consider all of the above, my Quickbeam does pretty well for me as a
 commuter bike.  It has a fixed gear for reliability (plus the control),
 which also minimizes the amount I use the brakes and reduces the problems
 from brake pad wear on the cantilever brakes.  The mid-fork tabs are
 awesome for mounting a Gino light mount for my lights.  And of course, fat
 tires, fenders, a rack, and a big saddlebag.  I'll post pictures of the
 setup one of these days.

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:37:01 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I just saw that thanks to Off the Beaten Path's link to Grant's very
 good review of the Herse book. The following article, on city bikes
 and the needless frou frou of many NAHB creations, is also very good
 as are his 

[RBW] Re: Sugino crank question

2013-03-02 Thread Mike Schiller
Never ever happened to me on 4 different bikes. I always use the shortest 
bottom bracket that will clear the chain stays and carefully set up the low 
limit on the front derailleur.   There is a plastic device that you can 
attach to your seat tube  that keeps the chain from dropping off too. I 
have used one called the 3rd Eye chainwatcher on MTB's in the past.

~mike


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[RBW] FS:original wooly warm vest with single back pocket

2013-03-02 Thread dean899
the original wooly warm vest with the single back pocket in excellent
condition. no rips, no tear, all buttons are intact. 65 shipped.  size
XL but fits more like a large.  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: yellow chris king headset

2013-03-02 Thread dean899
the headset is 1-1/8

On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:20:16 PM UTC-6, dean899 wrote:

 hello I have a yellow king headset that has been on the bike for 3yrs 
 but I have changed the color of the bike so I need to sell $75 
 shipped. its a king so its still smooth and the finish is perfect. 


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[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

2013-03-02 Thread El Sapo

The one Riv that would probably crack open my wallet is the Sam, and I was 
in the store looking at it really seriously, but it just doesn't take the 
tires I'd wan to run, or have the canti brakes I'd want.   
 
So, I keep shopping around, see steel bikes w/luggs, flat top bar, expanded 
frame, laid back geo, canti brakes and fat tire clearance, 
 
I end up buying yet another 80's Stumjumper, bolt on some Riv assessories 
and ride.  

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[RBW] Re: ISO spd-to-clip-and-strap pedal converters

2013-03-02 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Whoops - wrong link in the cut/paste device

http://www.exustar.com/product.php?t1s=24level=2



On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:08:25 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Wow.  I haven't seen those around for a while - try TRI stores, as there 
 was a period when folks were using that type of setup.  We had those for 
 sale back in the mid-90's, but I think we sold 1 pair in the whole time I 
 was there. 

 http://www.amazon.com/Exustar-SPD-Clipless-Pedal-Adapter/dp/B004MLDHX0



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:07:38 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I am looking for something like these with clips. The Decksters would 
 be a second best alternative. 

 Anyone? 

 I am also at a loss for their proper name, which would aid better 
 Google searching. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO spd-to-clip-and-strap pedal converters

2013-03-02 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
and there's this - 

http://www.qcycle.com/sl02b-look-clipless-pedal-adapter-518

goosearch: clipless pedal adapter


On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:11:11 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Whoops - wrong link in the cut/paste device

 http://www.exustar.com/product.php?t1s=24level=2



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:08:25 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Wow.  I haven't seen those around for a while - try TRI stores, as there 
 was a period when folks were using that type of setup.  We had those for 
 sale back in the mid-90's, but I think we sold 1 pair in the whole time I 
 was there. 

 http://www.amazon.com/Exustar-SPD-Clipless-Pedal-Adapter/dp/B004MLDHX0



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:07:38 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I am looking for something like these with clips. The Decksters would 
 be a second best alternative. 

 Anyone? 

 I am also at a loss for their proper name, which would aid better 
 Google searching. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks, Smitty. Since we currently spend around $60 a month on gas (less 
longer trips), there isn't a lot of savings to eek out there. This would 
mostly be expanding to new horizons, both on local outings and on camping 
trips. The downside to a longtail is we ideally need it to fit on a rear 
trailer hitch rack and not stick out. That's part of the huge 
attractiveness of going with a Riv with two kid set up.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:07:39 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 My friend Madi had two kid seats on a regular 
 bikehttp://familyride.us/2011/08/02/new-big-bag-new-small-basket/. 
 She made it work and could cram an impressive amount of stuff on there but 
 she eventually got a Big Dummy (frame + rack + fenders all powder coated 
 pink). 

 650b would work fine on a free radical... just use disk brakes and the 
 700c spacers... or improvise your own spacers. Or go 650b front and 26 
 rear then get different size tires to make the outside diameter match. 

 If yer wife wants to haul kids on a regular basis, she'd be better off 
 getting an actual longtail. It could be sold in several years and she could 
 get a sparkly new BF when the kids are on their own. Or buy the BF with the 
 gas money saved from her riding the longtail everywhere 'cause she loves it 
 so much.

 my 2 cents. 

 I realize I started this thread, but the Riv-ness of continuing this 
 discussion is questionable, feel free to email me direct if you want to 
 discuss family biking. 
 54canoe at the mail with a G and dot com

 --Smitty 




  

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:45:15 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is 
 if the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a 
 three-year-old with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:39:04 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

  My recollection is that Colin (in Texas?) on the list did it with a 
 Bleriot.  But wouldn't one of the purpose-built longbikes (Big Dummy, 
 Radish) be netter for this? I think the cost would be comparable or maybe 
 even lower, with one of the Xtracycle models.  Also, the Betty is 650b and 
 the Free Radical conversion kits work only for 26 and 700c, as I recall -- 
 something to do with rear brake installation, I think. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:

   After talking it over, we're thinking of getting my wife a Betty Foy 
 and fitting it with an xtracycle Free Radical and family friendly bits. 
 http://www.xtracycle.com/cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-cargo-bicycles/xtracycle-freeradical.html/.
  That way she has a quality ride (vs. the too small Trek MTB, which we may 
 use in the meantime), and when the munchkins are on their own bikes in 7 or 
 so years, she'll have a Betty Foy for all her riding. Anyone done this with 
 a Riv of any type? All thoughts and advice welcomed (as always). 

  With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, March 1, 2013 9:19:27 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: 

 This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie 
 Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on 
 a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be 
 of interest to some folks on here.  

  Becoming A Biking 
 Familyhttp://paranoidstayathomemom.blogspot.com/2013/02/guest-post-becoming-biking-family.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Anne Paulson
Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a
lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is if
 the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old
 with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this?

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Peter Morgano
Is there such a bike outside of custom made varieties? I don't think the
appaloosa is a production bike as of yet or else I would be extending my
credit line as we speak, Haha.
On Mar 2, 2013 3:06 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a
 lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride.

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
  Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with is
 if
  the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a three-year-old
  with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this?
 
  With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Liesl
-as few gears as the terrain will let you get away with.  QB or White ENO 
with DOS set-up is great
-seating position that allows great access to brakes and ability to see, 
e.g. mustaches, albas, or boscoes
-fenders and biggish tires
-dyno lighting (I'm with Anne RCW on this one)
-capacity for carrying stuff so good braze-on's and saddle loops
-not so pretty that you worry constantly that it'll get swiped
-clipless/strapless pedals
-reflectors/tires with reflective sidewalls
-a nice little jingling bell or several
-a handlebar bag such as Keven's for really quick access to keys, ID, 
sunglasses, warmer gloves, etc

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

2013-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Both the Appaloosa and the Hunqa are worthy of consideration. Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:13:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Grant said he thought it would be a production bike. But that's in the 
 future, I guess. However, as we know from Liesl's experience, you can 
 order a custom Appaloosa right now. I can understand if it's out of 
 your price range, though. But if you consider the difference in cost 
 between a Betty and an Appaloosa over the lifetime of the bike, and 
 your wife would prefer an Appaloosa, well maybe the cost 
 difference isn't significant. 

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Peter Morgano 
 uscpet...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  Is there such a bike outside of custom made varieties? I don't think the 
  appaloosa is a production bike as of yet or else I would be extending my 
  credit line as we speak, Haha. 
  
  On Mar 2, 2013 3:06 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  
  Have you considered the Appaloosa? It's not an Xtracycle, but it has a 
  lot of room front and rear for kids. And it's a very fun bike to ride. 
  
  On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Deacon Patrick 
  lamon...@mac.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
   Ahhh. Excellent point, Pudge. The other possibility we're toying with 
 is 
   if 
   the Betty Foy could do fine with a handlebar carrier and a 
   three-year-old 
   with stoker bars on the back rack. Anyone done this? 
   
   With abandon, 
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[RBW] Re: Sugino crank question

2013-03-02 Thread Michael Hechmer
Mike, you're thinking of chain drop, which can indeed be stopped with 
careful setup and a chain catcher.  This problem is chain suck.  The chain 
falls between the middle and small ring.  I first discovered this problem 
on a hi speed roundabout!  Not good, not good.

Shims come in 1  2 mm thickness and can usually be gotten from LBS.  I 
think I have used 1he 1 mm in the past, but can't swear by this. I'm headed 
out now to get me some.  In addition to the stupid hidden bolt, the shims 
make putting this crank together rather frustrating.

Michael



On Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:09:36 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Never ever happened to me on 4 different bikes. I always use the shortest 
 bottom bracket that will clear the chain stays and carefully set up the low 
 limit on the front derailleur.   There is a plastic device that you can 
 attach to your seat tube  that keeps the chain from dropping off too. I 
 have used one called the 3rd Eye chainwatcher on MTB's in the past.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul, Bullmoose, Phil Rivy Wheels, Brooks Pro

2013-03-02 Thread RJM
Hey Marty, 
 
I assume the wheels are 700s, what is the spacing on the rear hub?
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:45:14 AM UTC-6, Marty wrote:

 A few more items up for grabs:

 Nitto Bullmoose 150s. Like new. $100 shipped. Free VO Headset-mount bell. 
 Paul Thumbies. Like new. $55 shipped.
 Phil Rivy/Mavic MA40 (NOS) 40-hole wheelset. 7 speed freewheel. 
 Rich-built. Very few miles. Amazing! $450 shipped. 
 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x50. Unused pair. $90 shipped. 
 Twin-leg kickstand with feet. Like new. $30 shipped. 
 24 tooth TA chainring. Mounted but not used. $25 shipped.
 Brooks Team Pro saddle with character! Great looking saddle for a vintage 
 racer. $35 shipped.

 Bundle offers welcome. I'm close to the bottom of my stash! Pics here:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Liesl: did I understand right that you are going to get an
Appaloosa-type for your custom?  If so, a fixed/ss Appaloosa?

I love fixed. I just got back from a very nice 21 mile out and back on
the now glass-smooth Rio Grande bike path on the gofast, which was
very comfortable, particularly after yet another tweak to the bar
(narrow Maes Parallels: I moved the brake hoods up about 1/2 inch:
perfect).

Very nice day. 60F as I left, sunny, with a light, shifting wind
varying from N to W. Just to test things I rode ~19 out of the 21
miles in the hooks: pushing it for my current fitness, but only minor
neck discomfort in the last few miles and now, sitting at the
computer, no problem -- this with only ~300 miles during Jan and Feb.
I generally move around more. And my very sensitive left palm: I
continually changed left hand position, but only minor discomfort --
this for a hand that, on anything except drop bars, goes numb after 10
minutes. Ends of hooks resolutely and determinedly horizontal --
that's the secret for my left hand. (The Midge on the Fargo can't be
set up this way, so I have to resort to padding.) No gloves.

If anyone uses the new, 559X1.5 Grand Bois tires, I'd like to know
what the true diameter is. I bet I could fit these on the Riv commuter
-- tho' it would obviate fenders. I bet I could get plastics over the
Kojaks at 32 mm, but 37 mm: nope. Wondering if I should bother to swap
out the 46 on the commuter for a 48 so I can swap the 16 t cog for a
17/20 dingle 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
 -as few gears as the terrain will let you get away with.  QB or White ENO
 with DOS set-up is great
 -seating position that allows great access to brakes and ability to see,
 e.g. mustaches, albas, or boscoes
 -fenders and biggish tires
 -dyno lighting (I'm with Anne RCW on this one)
 -capacity for carrying stuff so good braze-on's and saddle loops
 -not so pretty that you worry constantly that it'll get swiped
 -clipless/strapless pedals
 -reflectors/tires with reflective sidewalls
 -a nice little jingling bell or several
 -a handlebar bag such as Keven's for really quick access to keys, ID,
 sunglasses, warmer gloves, etc

 Liesl It's-March-and-Spring-is-Finally-Around-the-Corner in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul, Bullmoose, Phil Rivy Wheels, Brooks Pro

2013-03-02 Thread Marty
Thumbies, Ritchey crankset and TA ring are sold. 

Wheelset and tires remain. Rear spacing is 135. 700c 40 hole rims. By 'em 
with the tires/tubes and I'll knock it down to $525.







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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Oh, and averaged 17 mph overall, clock running (per Cyclemeter on the
iPhone) -- such a sorry boast, but given my age and condition, I am
pleased -- and I didn't kill myself. 10 years ago I'd maintain 23 in a
lower gear on the same bike path. I stopped and fixed a flat for a
tyro on a very strange Trek hybrid: belt drive with full, plastic
chaincase, straight '90s mtb bars with bar ends and thumb shifters, V
brakes, and -- oddest of all -- Spinergy 4-blade wheels shod with
cyclocross tires. fortunately the rear setup allowed easy withdrawal
of the tube without removing the wheel. I realized that I forgot to
hook up the rear brake after finishing, but I assume his front still
worked. So I guess the godlings, minor deities, devas, familiar
spirits and guardian angels gave me a bit of a push in reward for my
charity.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Liesl: did I understand right that you are going to get an
 Appaloosa-type for your custom?  If so, a fixed/ss Appaloosa?

 I love fixed. I just got back from a very nice 21 mile out and back on
 the now glass-smooth Rio Grande bike path on the gofast, which was
 very comfortable, particularly after yet another tweak to the bar
 (narrow Maes Parallels: I moved the brake hoods up about 1/2 inch:
 perfect).

 Very nice day. 60F as I left, sunny, with a light, shifting wind
 varying from N to W. Just to test things I rode ~19 out of the 21
 miles in the hooks: pushing it for my current fitness, but only minor
 neck discomfort in the last few miles and now, sitting at the
 computer, no problem -- this with only ~300 miles during Jan and Feb.
 I generally move around more. And my very sensitive left palm: I
 continually changed left hand position, but only minor discomfort --
 this for a hand that, on anything except drop bars, goes numb after 10
 minutes. Ends of hooks resolutely and determinedly horizontal --
 that's the secret for my left hand. (The Midge on the Fargo can't be
 set up this way, so I have to resort to padding.) No gloves.

 If anyone uses the new, 559X1.5 Grand Bois tires, I'd like to know
 what the true diameter is. I bet I could fit these on the Riv commuter
 -- tho' it would obviate fenders. I bet I could get plastics over the
 Kojaks at 32 mm, but 37 mm: nope. Wondering if I should bother to swap
 out the 46 on the commuter for a 48 so I can swap the 16 t cog for a
 17/20 dingle 

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
 -as few gears as the terrain will let you get away with.  QB or White ENO
 with DOS set-up is great
 -seating position that allows great access to brakes and ability to see,
 e.g. mustaches, albas, or boscoes
 -fenders and biggish tires
 -dyno lighting (I'm with Anne RCW on this one)
 -capacity for carrying stuff so good braze-on's and saddle loops
 -not so pretty that you worry constantly that it'll get swiped
 -clipless/strapless pedals
 -reflectors/tires with reflective sidewalls
 -a nice little jingling bell or several
 -a handlebar bag such as Keven's for really quick access to keys, ID,
 sunglasses, warmer gloves, etc

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO spd-to-clip-and-strap pedal converters

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well, I use Keos on the gofast and on the (I'm working on it, I'm
working on it, OK?) still in process Ram.

$35???

What about SPDs? And I really would like the clips 'n' straps ...

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Cyclofiend Jim
cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 and there's this -

 http://www.qcycle.com/sl02b-look-clipless-pedal-adapter-518

 goosearch: clipless pedal adapter



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:11:11 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Whoops - wrong link in the cut/paste device

 http://www.exustar.com/product.php?t1s=24level=2



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:08:25 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Wow.  I haven't seen those around for a while - try TRI stores, as there
 was a period when folks were using that type of setup.  We had those for
 sale back in the mid-90's, but I think we sold 1 pair in the whole time I
 was there.

 http://www.amazon.com/Exustar-SPD-Clipless-Pedal-Adapter/dp/B004MLDHX0



 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 10:07:38 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I am looking for something like these with clips. The Decksters would
 be a second best alternative.

 Anyone?

 I am also at a loss for their proper name, which would aid better
 Google searching.

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[RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread RJM
My city bike, back when I lived in a city (chicago), was a Jamis Aurora 
with mustache bars, downtube shifters that were basically frozen since I 
never shifted, and a battery operated blinky light (planet bike 
superflash) and a rechargeable headlight which I have since lost. I really 
rarely used the headlight since my routes were always well lit by street 
lights but the blinky light stayed on a lot. I had a blackburn rear rack 
and a front rack with a basket attached. No kickstand but fenders were 
needed. It served me well and never got stolen. I could have gotten away 
with a singlespeed bike, easily.
 
If I was going to put together a good city bike now, I would pick a yves 
gomez with albatross bars, one barend shifter to shift the rear and use a 
single ring crank up front. Probaby a deore rear derailer shifting whatever 
cassette I could find in my parts bin.  Platform pedals of course with 
fenders (I honestly prefer aluminum). Dyno powered front wheel that runs a 
decent light with the same superflash blinky rear light. Nitto mini or 
mark's rack with a medium Wald basket attached and a sackville shopsack. I 
would use a tubus or nitto rear rack and get a set of Wald 582 rear folding 
baskets for the rear. Just throw in a backpack or whatever grocery bag I 
need to haul.
 

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:37:01 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I just saw that thanks to Off the Beaten Path's link to Grant's very 
 good review of the Herse book. The following article, on city bikes 
 and the needless frou frou of many NAHB creations, is also very good 
 as are his ruminations on what makes up a good City Bike. I don't 
 agree with him completely on the City Bike (my credentials, fwtw: I 
 started urban riding at age 12 or so in New and Old Delhi, India where 
 traffic was more urban than any other place else I've seen) but have 
 to admit that his criteria are very arguable [that means: one can make 
 a very good argument for them]. 

 What, per curiosity, are y'all's (that's all y'all's) ideas about the 
 ideal city bike? Mine (this is of course both very personal and 
 depends on one's commuting situation) includes lowish drop bars for 
 our winds (nothing to make one despair as having to ride into a 25 mph 
 headwind for miles and miles) and a fixed gear just 'cause I like it, 
 dynamo lights (serious omission, Grant) and a permanent rack or 
 saddlebag but not both. Fenders, sure, why not, but then here in high 
 desert ABQ we've been having a drought where we get only half to 2/3 
 of our annual 9 inches. Oh, and tires no less than 28 mm but no fatter 
 than 35, leaning to good rolling rather than puncture resistance 
 (because if you want to be flat free out here, you'll be riding, as I 
 know some to ride, either an old tire stuffed into the outer tire, or 
 else belted tire + thorn proof tube + sealant, and who the hell wants 
 that?) 

 I'd pay good money to have the Reader four or even twice a year. I 
 think I liked it as much as, perhaps even more than, BQ. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Brian Hanson
I think the best city bike is the one that gets the most city people out
biking instead of using a car.  Different strokes for different folks.

http://flic.kr/p/dQi1ay

My current favorite is my Bosco'd Miyata with front rack and Compass
26x1.75 tires.  With the diamond wrap and bright colors it is my Sweet Bike
for the city.  I like the bars as it allows me to get low when I want to go
fast (along with the nice tires), but I can also sit bolt upright in
traffic and take in the stunning views.  The big rear bag and front basket
make it a versatile errand bike, and the fact that it's an old mountain
bike means I care less about theft when I have to make a stop...

Brian
Seattle, WA


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh, and averaged 17 mph overall, clock running (per Cyclemeter on the
 iPhone) -- such a sorry boast, but given my age and condition, I am
 pleased -- and I didn't kill myself. 10 years ago I'd maintain 23 in a
 lower gear on the same bike path. I stopped and fixed a flat for a
 tyro on a very strange Trek hybrid: belt drive with full, plastic
 chaincase, straight '90s mtb bars with bar ends and thumb shifters, V
 brakes, and -- oddest of all -- Spinergy 4-blade wheels shod with
 cyclocross tires. fortunately the rear setup allowed easy withdrawal
 of the tube without removing the wheel. I realized that I forgot to
 hook up the rear brake after finishing, but I assume his front still
 worked. So I guess the godlings, minor deities, devas, familiar
 spirits and guardian angels gave me a bit of a push in reward for my
 charity.

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Liesl: did I understand right that you are going to get an
  Appaloosa-type for your custom?  If so, a fixed/ss Appaloosa?
 
  I love fixed. I just got back from a very nice 21 mile out and back on
  the now glass-smooth Rio Grande bike path on the gofast, which was
  very comfortable, particularly after yet another tweak to the bar
  (narrow Maes Parallels: I moved the brake hoods up about 1/2 inch:
  perfect).
 
  Very nice day. 60F as I left, sunny, with a light, shifting wind
  varying from N to W. Just to test things I rode ~19 out of the 21
  miles in the hooks: pushing it for my current fitness, but only minor
  neck discomfort in the last few miles and now, sitting at the
  computer, no problem -- this with only ~300 miles during Jan and Feb.
  I generally move around more. And my very sensitive left palm: I
  continually changed left hand position, but only minor discomfort --
  this for a hand that, on anything except drop bars, goes numb after 10
  minutes. Ends of hooks resolutely and determinedly horizontal --
  that's the secret for my left hand. (The Midge on the Fargo can't be
  set up this way, so I have to resort to padding.) No gloves.
 
  If anyone uses the new, 559X1.5 Grand Bois tires, I'd like to know
  what the true diameter is. I bet I could fit these on the Riv commuter
  -- tho' it would obviate fenders. I bet I could get plastics over the
  Kojaks at 32 mm, but 37 mm: nope. Wondering if I should bother to swap
  out the 46 on the commuter for a 48 so I can swap the 16 t cog for a
  17/20 dingle 
 
  On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
  -as few gears as the terrain will let you get away with.  QB or White
 ENO
  with DOS set-up is great
  -seating position that allows great access to brakes and ability to see,
  e.g. mustaches, albas, or boscoes
  -fenders and biggish tires
  -dyno lighting (I'm with Anne RCW on this one)
  -capacity for carrying stuff so good braze-on's and saddle loops
  -not so pretty that you worry constantly that it'll get swiped
  -clipless/strapless pedals
  -reflectors/tires with reflective sidewalls
  -a nice little jingling bell or several
  -a handlebar bag such as Keven's for really quick access to keys, ID,
  sunglasses, warmer gloves, etc
 
  Liesl It's-March-and-Spring-is-Finally-Around-the-Corner in Minneapolis
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Liesl
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:05:21 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:

 I think the best city bike is the one that gets the most city people out 
 biking instead of using a car.  Different strokes for different folks.


Touché! 

And Patrick, it's a little off thread-topic, but yes.  The Appaloosa for 
the custom.  Variations from the prototype:  26 wheels, canti brakes, room 
for big tires.  Expect a QB type crank up from with no derailler and a 
8-speed cassette in the back.  

liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread cyclotourist
I like the fewest gears as possible thought. Along those lines, a Sturmey
Archer AW 3 speed hub works wonderfully for me. I have a pretty big cog on
the back to really take advantage of the range. They're readily available
and basically indestructible (YMMV) from what I've seen. Coaster versions
available as well for true simplicity.


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:05:21 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:

 I think the best city bike is the one that gets the most city people
 out biking instead of using a car.  Different strokes for different folks.


 Touché!

 And Patrick, it's a little off thread-topic, but yes.  The Appaloosa for
 the custom.  Variations from the prototype:  26 wheels, canti brakes, room
 for big tires.  Expect a QB type crank up from with no derailler and a
 8-speed cassette in the back.

 liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO spd-to-clip-and-strap pedal converters

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Mather
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, I use Keos on the gofast and on the (I'm working on it, I'm
 working on it, OK?) still in process Ram.

 $35???



If you think that's too expensive, make your own like Phillip did:
http://www.biketinker.com/skatedeck-pedals/

You can easily screw clips to them if you want.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO spd-to-clip-and-strap pedal converters

2013-03-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I remember this now; thanks for the reminder. Would still like to find
some of the old triathlete converters, but these look easy to make.
(And there is a newish bike shop nearby, focused on triathletes --
must check with them.)

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, I use Keos on the gofast and on the (I'm working on it, I'm
 working on it, OK?) still in process Ram.

 $35???



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 http://www.biketinker.com/skatedeck-pedals/

 You can easily screw clips to them if you want.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul, Bullmoose, Phil Rivy Wheels, Brooks Pro

2013-03-02 Thread Marty


 Wheels have been sold. Thanks for all the interest in everything. Hope to 
 have a new build to talk about soon.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest BLUG post (2/28)

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I disagree with the person who said that maintenance of hydraulic brakes is 
expensive and/or difficult. I have three bikes that have Avid hydraulic disc 
brakes, from the cheapest to upper-midrange models. In several years of 
all-conditions riding and intermittent storage, I've not had to bleed any of 
them. They are the closest thing to a no-maintenance brake that I've ever used.

I have bled hydraulic brakes for others. It only takes a few minutes.

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[RBW] Re: New AHH on the way!

2013-03-02 Thread Brian Campbell
Sounds Great!

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:58:14 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

2013-03-02 Thread Brian Campbell
Thanks!

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:55:59 AM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:

 Yours will go out this coming week along with two others that paypalled. 
 Thankfully I had exactly 3 pins left. I dont like to take money without 
 product in hand!

 I'll drop a line to you three via your PP email addresses when they go 
 out. Should be Monday.

 On Friday, March 1, 2013 7:42:16 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 Great! Will mine be a part of the new run or was there a left-over from a 
 previous order? If you remember, I was the dummy who sent $10 without 
 reading that he thread was 4 years old!



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[RBW] wtb (if right size) silver salsa crossing guard

2013-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
I am looking for one of them in good shape. I had one a long while back,
sold the bike it was on. Went to look for another one and discovered salsa
doesn't make them.

If you have one in your shed looking for a home, let me know.

thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Hunq and Hilsen on Ebay

2013-03-02 Thread Tom Goodmann
So, how does an AHH fit differently from other Rivs?  My 87 PBH/ 5'11 puts 
me on a 56 cm Sam, per Riv recommendations--but I expect that this 61 cm 
Homer might be just about right for me.  Judging from the chart on the Riv 
site regarding sizing, a 61 would be right for me on a Homer but not the 62 
cm Hunq, by comparison. Just trying to learn--though knowledge could lead 
to another frame . . .

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:44:02 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote:

 drats! both are too big for me  62 Hunq and 61 Hilsen  

 Can't seem to find a used 59 Hilsen.



 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Hunqapillar-Frameset-62-cm-custom-color-with-Thomson-seat-post-/190806095965?pt=Mountain_Bikeshash=item2c6cedf85d


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-/251238269825?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item3a7ef7c381
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[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

2013-03-02 Thread LF


On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned 
 anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later.


With wages  steadily declining, and corporate profits  steadily increasing, 
something has got to give.  We're all hoping for lower cost Rivs  iPhones, 
for champagne on a beer budget.  Man, I'm broke. I got no bread, let me eat 
cake.  Maybe O'bama will ask Grant to fix the economic crisis.

Best,
Larry

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish

2013-03-02 Thread Manuel Acosta
Tomorrow's ride is still on if your interested. 
Let me know if you come by earlier I'll make you coffee.
-Manny

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:29:01 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

 I haven't been all the way to that gate, there is a rather steep drop 
 I haven't cared to go back up, but I suspect you are right. The 
 approved plan for the park includes the addition of a staging area at 
 the north end and the opening of some additional land. 

 On Feb 27, 9:08 pm, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote: 
  If one were to go to the northern boundary of Pleasanton Ridge Park, it 
  looks like one could hop a fence and get to Dublin Canyon Rd on what 
 might 
  not be an official trail. That would allow you to continue northwards 
  without sidetracking too much. Of course, one would need to be willing 
 to 
  ride on an unofficial trail. 


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Re: [RBW] Hunq and Hilsen on Ebay

2013-03-02 Thread cyclotourist
The Homer didn't last long!


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote:

 drats! both are too big for me  62 Hunq and 61 Hilsen

 Can't seem to find a used 59 Hilsen.



 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Hunqapillar-Frameset-62-cm-custom-color-with-Thomson-seat-post-/190806095965?pt=Mountain_Bikeshash=item2c6cedf85d


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-/251238269825?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item3a7ef7c381
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Re: [RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish

2013-03-02 Thread Michael Williams
Hey Manny,   cant make tomorrows ride,   I gotsta work.   Thanks for
including me though.   Have fun and ride safe.-Mike

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Manuel Acosta
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Tomorrow's ride is still on if your interested.
 Let me know if you come by earlier I'll make you coffee.
 -Manny


 On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:29:01 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

 I haven't been all the way to that gate, there is a rather steep drop
 I haven't cared to go back up, but I suspect you are right. The
 approved plan for the park includes the addition of a staging area at
 the north end and the opening of some additional land.

 On Feb 27, 9:08 pm, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  If one were to go to the northern boundary of Pleasanton Ridge Park, it
  looks like one could hop a fence and get to Dublin Canyon Rd on what
 might
  not be an official trail. That would allow you to continue northwards
  without sidetracking too much. Of course, one would need to be willing
 to
  ride on an unofficial trail.

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