date:20130311

Nice!  Looking forward to having Riv build up mine with albatross bars, as 
well.  Meanwhile, I just picked up a new-to-me 55 cm orange XO-1 . . . 

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:02:34 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:

 Thanks to this group for all of the advice and parts!
 Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/sets/72157632922170151/is my 
 Sam, finally built up in time for my birthday this week.


 Basic parts list:
 Riv Sugino Chainguard/40/26 I'll run it 1x8, see how often I use the 
 granny and that will determine whether I get a FD
 Riv's deore RD
 Basic 11-32 8sp cassette from LBS
 Nothing special wheels - will bring my dynamo over from my current daily 
 ride
 Gamoh porteur front
 Wald 139
 Public bikes rear rack (gotta have a spring)
 Longboard fenders
 Alba
 Riv's shimano brake levers
 Riv's single microshift bar end shifter (friction left, used on R)
 Newbaum's twine and shellac

 Super excited to ride!

 Interestingly, in this Riv-deficient town (Nashville), I was in my LBS 
 picking something up yesterday and they said they had just put together a 
 new 52 Sam for a local woman! Now there are two more in this town! I have 
 seen another single TT orange Sam, an AHH several cool Rivs and Rivish 
 bikes that my friend's neighbor has, but not many others.

 For those Riv packers - the LBS staff was duly impressed!

 Edwin in Nashville


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[RBW] Re: pedal across wisconsin?

The June dates *should* give you fairly mild weather (hoping this coming 
summer will be more merciful to farmers than the last), and the area of the 
ride, stretching from Kettle Moraine, east of Madison, to New Glarus, 
southwest of Madtown, has some hills, but not so much as the country lying 
just further west and north.  You could dropkick me into that Driftless 
country for the rest of my mortal life; Hiawatha's Country Bike Ride will 
take folks through some of Minnesota's piece of the same.  It really is 
great bicycling (and motorcycling) country, as is so much of Wisconsin, due 
to fine secondary roads.  If winter ever ends, that is.

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 Hi,
  Does anyone on the list have any experience with:

 http://pedalacrosswisconsin.com/

 I'm a little curious about them - though I must admit - doing 50-60 
 miles/day for 6 days feels like it could leave me a bit tired - I'm curious 
 just how flat this really is and other experiences.

 Thanks,
 -sv



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[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger

Very nice looking bike. I always loved the orange Sams.

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:02:34 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:

 Thanks to this group for all of the advice and parts!
 Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/sets/72157632922170151/is my 
 Sam, finally built up in time for my birthday this week.


 Basic parts list:
 Riv Sugino Chainguard/40/26 I'll run it 1x8, see how often I use the 
 granny and that will determine whether I get a FD
 Riv's deore RD
 Basic 11-32 8sp cassette from LBS
 Nothing special wheels - will bring my dynamo over from my current daily 
 ride
 Gamoh porteur front
 Wald 139
 Public bikes rear rack (gotta have a spring)
 Longboard fenders
 Alba
 Riv's shimano brake levers
 Riv's single microshift bar end shifter (friction left, used on R)
 Newbaum's twine and shellac

 Super excited to ride!

 Interestingly, in this Riv-deficient town (Nashville), I was in my LBS 
 picking something up yesterday and they said they had just put together a 
 new 52 Sam for a local woman! Now there are two more in this town! I have 
 seen another single TT orange Sam, an AHH several cool Rivs and Rivish 
 bikes that my friend's neighbor has, but not many others.

 For those Riv packers - the LBS staff was duly impressed!

 Edwin in Nashville


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[RBW] Re: pedal across wisconsin?

2013-03-11 Thread Matthew J



  The Driftless areas of Southwestern Wisconsin, Southeastern Minnesota, 
 Northwestern Iowa and Northeastern Illinois* are among the more beautiful 
 non-mountainous areas one could ever hope to encounter.  Upper Mississippi 
 River valley in both Wisconsin and Minnesota is lovely country.  Northern 
 Wisconsin - especially the Lake Superior Uplands region - is a starkly 
 beautiful but perhaps somewhat challenging area for cylists as the roads 
 are not particularly wide enough to accommodate the Winnebagos and bikes 
 and facilities can be somewhat far apart.  


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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Mike

- Understand  the wonderful healing properties of Slim Jims.

I say the same thing about corn dogs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/4468436719/

Looks like the ride to nowhere was fun. 

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[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread Mike

Edwin, your Sam looks great. Hope you have a great birthday ride on it.

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[RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Tim

Can anyone out there recommend a good wheelbuilder in the New Haven, CT 
area? I have a Synergy rim that was cracking, which Velocity is replacing, 
and I want to get it built locally. Thanks for your help.

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[RBW] Death Valley Video Now Online

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris

My video of the Death Valley Double Century is now online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6nzy-3U34

Enjoy!

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Nigel Smythe and Baggins bags.)

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[RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger

50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free 
wheel for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, 
but I will give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side. 
Think I will have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll 
down on the way to work and I picked up speed too fast. My legs did not 
like spinning so fast.

Put on a set of Bullmoose bars as well. I am definitely liking them more 
than the mustache I had on there (though I do still like the mustache).

David
Charlotte, NC

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RE: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Pics?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Spranger
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:28 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free wheel 
for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, but I will 
give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side. Think I will 
have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll down on the way to 
work and I picked up speed too fast. My legs did not like spinning so fast.

Put on a set of Bullmoose bars as well. I am definitely liking them more than 
the mustache I had on there (though I do still like the mustache).

David
Charlotte, NC
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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger

I'll take some pics and post tonight. I am using a 42t chainring with a 15t 
fixed cog.

On Monday, March 11, 2013 11:32:53 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:

 Downhills are the worst. What's your gearing?

 --Eric
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 On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:28 AM, David Spranger daspr...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free 
 wheel for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, 
 but I will give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side. 
 Think I will have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll 
 down on the way to work and I picked up speed too fast. My legs did not 
 like spinning so fast.

 Put on a set of Bullmoose bars as well. I am definitely liking them more 
 than the mustache I had on there (though I do still like the mustache).

 David
 Charlotte, NC

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RE: [RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Larry Powers


Maybe not quite local but Bruce Miller at Berlin Bicycle has built the wheels 
on all my Rivendels and Tandems.  I have not had a problem with any of the 
wheels he has built for me.

Larry Powers 

 

Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:09:02 -0700
From: tim.ki...@yahoo.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

Can anyone out there recommend a good wheelbuilder in the New Haven, CT area? I 
have a Synergy rim that was cracking, which Velocity is replacing, and I want 
to get it built locally. Thanks for your help.



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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread Earl Grey

A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only took 
a year to develop mold spots in northern Thailand. Just an aesthetic concern, 
but worth a note. I then swapped bars a couple of times (noodles to moustaches 
to VO porteurs) and haven't bothered retaping at all. Am quite happy with the 
feel of bare aluminum, with or without gloves. But then again it doesn't ever 
get cold here.  

Gernot
Thailand 

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[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I love the look of bare Nitto-- great not-shiny look. Too bad it gets darn 
cold and darn hot here in the Boston area!

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 A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only 
 took a year to develop mold spots in northern Thailand. Just an aesthetic 
 concern, but worth a note. I then swapped bars a couple of times (noodles 
 to moustaches to VO porteurs) and haven't bothered retaping at all. Am 
 quite happy with the feel of bare aluminum, with or without gloves. But 
 then again it doesn't ever get cold here.  

 Gernot
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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE

David: Welcome to the fixed gear club. You do know, do you not, that
there is now no turning back? No, none at all.

Downhills are the biggest bane of fixed gear riding. Uphills are fine
once you develop your high torque muscles and, even more important,
your mental outlook: you learn to pace yourself. Heck, hills are even
fun -- I love climbing long, moderately graded hills. You learn to
stand for extended periods without going anaerobic, and you learn when
your knees prefer you to stand. But for downhills I've learned that
the trick is, not to let your speed build up.

I started with a small gear: 63 or so, IIRC, and quickly found that
flailing along on the flats was annoying. I gradually upped my ratio
until now I prefer something in the mid 60s to the mid 70s depending
on total bike weight. I've even thought of gearing my gofast from
46/15 (24.5 650C X 22mm wheels) to 48X15.

In all seriousness, give it sufficient time. I personally love riding
fixed more than any other kind of riding -- tho' I must say that,
yesterday, I did appreciate the 31 gear on the Fargo when schlepping
30 lb of groceries up a very steep hill against a headwind.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com wrote:
 50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free wheel
 for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, but I
 will give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side. Think I
 will have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll down on
 the way to work and I picked up speed too fast. My legs did not like
 spinning so fast.

 Put on a set of Bullmoose bars as well. I am definitely liking them more
 than the mustache I had on there (though I do still like the mustache).

 David
 Charlotte, NC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE

What about sweat? I've not ridden bare bars very much, but when I did,
barehanded, I always sweated and always hated the slippery and yucky
feeling.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only 
 took a year to develop mold spots in northern Thailand. Just an aesthetic 
 concern, but worth a note. I then swapped bars a couple of times (noodles to 
 moustaches to VO porteurs) and haven't bothered retaping at all. Am quite 
 happy with the feel of bare aluminum, with or without gloves. But then again 
 it doesn't ever get cold here.

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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Lyle Bogart

David,

Congratulations on your foray into fixed gear riding! As Patrick mentioned,
climbing is fun on a fixed gear--I don't know why, but it really is--but I
must say I don't mind the downhills. I've had some pretty ferocious spins
going in the past but, if I try to actually keep up with the pedal speed, I
find it fairly easy to do. Sort of a relaxed, high-speed spin with minimal
resistance.

Give yourself time to acclimate and you may be very pleased with the fixed
gear experience.

Oh, as a data point, I'm 52 and started riding fixed in my early 40s; I
typically have the bike geared at 48x18 to 48x20.

Cheers!

lyle


On 11 March 2013 12:48, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 David: Welcome to the fixed gear club. You do know, do you not, that
 there is now no turning back? No, none at all.

 Downhills are the biggest bane of fixed gear riding. Uphills are fine
 once you develop your high torque muscles and, even more important,
 your mental outlook: you learn to pace yourself. Heck, hills are even
 fun -- I love climbing long, moderately graded hills. You learn to
 stand for extended periods without going anaerobic, and you learn when
 your knees prefer you to stand. But for downhills I've learned that
 the trick is, not to let your speed build up.

 I started with a small gear: 63 or so, IIRC, and quickly found that
 flailing along on the flats was annoying. I gradually upped my ratio
 until now I prefer something in the mid 60s to the mid 70s depending
 on total bike weight. I've even thought of gearing my gofast from
 46/15 (24.5 650C X 22mm wheels) to 48X15.

 In all seriousness, give it sufficient time. I personally love riding
 fixed more than any other kind of riding -- tho' I must say that,
 yesterday, I did appreciate the 31 gear on the Fargo when schlepping
 30 lb of groceries up a very steep hill against a headwind.

 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM, David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free
 wheel
  for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, but
 I
  will give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side.
 Think I
  will have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll down on
  the way to work and I picked up speed too fast. My legs did not like
  spinning so fast.
 
  Put on a set of Bullmoose bars as well. I am definitely liking them more
  than the mustache I had on there (though I do still like the mustache).
 
  David
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[RBW] Re: Death Valley Video Now Online

2013-03-11 Thread hsmitham

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Monday, March 11, 2013 7:29:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 My video of the Death Valley Double Century is now online:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6nzy-3U34

 Enjoy!

 (Riv content: Rode lugged steel, shifted with friction, sat on leather, 
 carried Nigel Smythe and Baggins bags.)

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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Manuel Acosta

@ Michael
Training? I don't think I really made an effort to plan my riding to make 
it liable for any training. My training varied from doing my commute to 
work twice a week to doing hard, fast and short rides over the weekend. But 
in terms of mileage don't think I did a ride longer then 60 miles this 
whole pass month. It did help that I started the series on time though.
If your interested in doing long rides to no where and back I highly 
suggest talking to a veteran about it. I'm still making it up as I go.
Hope this helps

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:43:37 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 How did you train for this, Manny?
  



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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot Frame/Fork/HS/BB/etc.

2013-03-11 Thread ColonelJLloyd

I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you 
an email directly. 

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:28:16 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote:

 Update to this: upon further inspection, it appears the chainstays are 
 damaged from the use of a kickstand.  That is, they have been flttened in a 
 bit where the kickstand sat agains them.  And there is paint damage there 
 as well.  I've dropped my price to $520, with shipping included.  Please 
 send me an email off list if you want pictures or are interested.

 Cheers,

 Colin Cummings
 Amarillo, tx

 On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:58:53 PM UTC-6, colinthehippie wrote:

 For your consideration, one much loved 59cm Bleriot in typical condition 
 (photos available upon request).  Includes a Campognolo headset, dirty 
 bottom bracket, and Dia-Compe centerpull brakes (if you want em - I 
 recommend em).  Scratches / dings here and there, but otherwise every bit 
 the grand frame it's purported to be.  I have moved on to less gears (one 
 to be exact).

 I hate to part with it, so in honor of the best tire size in the world, 
 I'll start at $650 plus actual shipping, probably $60-$75 in the contiguous 
 US.  Great bike.

 Also have some Albatross bars and a Wald basket or two.  Email me off 
 list if you want something like that.

 Cheers,

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[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread samh

I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)

I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique.  I have 
triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced chain 
suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting worn 
chainrings, cog sets, or chains.  Sometimes those components are new.  I 
have doubles on my other road bikes, and they've never experienced chain 
suck.  

I've switched gears in every conceivable situation, high load, low load, 
wrong direction, right direction, while double shifting, or single 
shifting--no chain suck ever.  I've snapped chains while mountain biking 
due to bad shift choices, but I've never experienced chain suck.  However, 
while riding my Rivendell on its maiden voyage, I experienced chain suck 
during a low load shift while riding downhill.  Based on all the damaged 
chain stays I see in pictures of used Rivendells, it appears to be a common 
problem.

That's been my experience.  I'd welcome a commercially available device to 
prevent chain suck on my Rivendell.  Perhaps they should be standard 
equipment?




On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  


On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  


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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot Frame/Fork/HS/BB/etc.


many users post this, so I'm just going to mention it here:

I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you 
 an email directly. 


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[RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post


many users post this in one form or another, so I'm just going to tack 
this here for a while:

I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you 
 an email directly. 


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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

Congratulations, Manny! That sounds and looks like an epic ride!

Going long distance is a whole other beastie than the 40-60 mile range 
(distance can be deceptive, as terrain and road/trail conditions can make 
10 miles be like 40 on pavement). My longest ride on my Hunqa is 70 (so 
far) with 3 mountain passes and all of it above 10,000 feet (Great Divide 
Mountain Bike Trail, Indiana Pass et al near past Summit, CO). I've found 
that being fat burning rather than sugar burning makes it far more 
enjoyable and so that I do not rely on food I carry. In fact, I rarely eat 
on a ride any more and find it wonderfully freeing, not to mention a slew 
of other, more primary benefits of shifting my diet to high fat, low carb.

From your love of Slim Jims, it sounds like you may be in the fat burning 
camp?

With abandon,
Patrick



On Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:35:25 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Good time riding to nowhere and back. Doing my first Populaire last year I 
 got to riding with Esteban who told me when nearing the end of his 300k and 
 there's a zen feeling with nothing around you in sheer darkness.  It was a 
 humbling opportunity to ride with so many strong and experience cyclists. 
 Some highlights.
 -Riding with miles of wildflowers.
 - Tagging along with Ian's group till River Rd. 
 - The beautiful rolling hills after Healdsburg.
 - Coastal tailwinds all the way to the Marshal Store. 
 - Riding with and talking to Jenny Oh about her aspirations in finishing a 
 Randonneur Series( good luck to her)


 Good sense of learning happened.
 -Always jump on the tandem train. They can take you to wonderful places 
 when you are hurting. 
 - Riding in sheer darkness on a quiet road by yourself is zen-like.
 - Jump in groups to break up the monotony of riding alone. 
 - Let groups go when you know your cooked.
 - Understand  the wonderful healing properties of Slim Jims.
 - You can and will get dropped by everyone riding anything. 
 - Bring extra everything. Food, clothes, gloves, lights, stories, smiles. 
 You know the essentials.
 - Getting stung by a bee sucks. Specially when you get stung near the 
 saddle area...

 Pictures Proved that it's pretty at nowhere:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEhBB7R

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[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely 
weird.  I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design 
flaw. 

(And just to restate it, we're talking about chainsuck with the chain not 
letting go of the chainring from the 6 o'clock position, and climbing up 
into the chainstay from below.  Not simply jumping off the ring during a 
shift.)

On the other hand, it may have something to do with where the bottom 
bracket is with respect to the shifty bits...

Most mtb's have reasonably high bottom brackets - certainly when compared 
to the RBW designs.  And Grant's bikes have lengthy chainstays.  Combine 
that with wide range gearing and you probably end up with a bit more slack 
and less tension in the drivetrain.  So, you are coming from a lower 
point, which could wrap an extra tooth or two.  With no chain tension 
drawing the chain towards the derailleur, you start wrapping things up.  
It's less than a 1/4 turn of the cranks, so it can happen fast. 

Any sharkfinning on the chainring would of course exacerbate that.

Pure, unadulterated conjecture on my part.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:54:11 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:

 I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it 
 ;)

 I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique.  I 
 have triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced 
 chain suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting worn 
 chainrings, cog sets, or chains.  Sometimes those components are new.  I 
 have doubles on my other road bikes, and they've never experienced chain 
 suck.  

 I've switched gears in every conceivable situation, high load, low load, 
 wrong direction, right direction, while double shifting, or single 
 shifting--no chain suck ever.  I've snapped chains while mountain biking 
 due to bad shift choices, but I've never experienced chain suck.  However, 
 while riding my Rivendell on its maiden voyage, I experienced chain suck 
 during a low load shift while riding downhill.  Based on all the damaged 
 chain stays I see in pictures of used Rivendells, it appears to be a common 
 problem.

 That's been my experience.  I'd welcome a commercially available device to 
 prevent chain suck on my Rivendell.  Perhaps they should be standard 
 equipment?




 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  


 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  



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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

The comfort at descending will come.  What I found helpful was to use the 
brakes to a specific point on known hills, then let loose.  At first, it 
was half way down, then 3/4's and then eventually  the whole thing.  It 
takes a while to develop that release of the legs while your upper body 
and hips just wants to clench and tension.  It's a balance, to be sure. 

I find still that (with a 40 x 14T setup on the QB) at 25 mph and 34 on 
downhills, there's a little hitch that creeps into my movements.  Something 
about the biomechanical mechanism... But, it levels out below and above 
that point.  It also fluctuates a bit - sometimes ~26, others ~23, so it 
definitely is me and the way my body moves. Just one or two pedal strokes 
usually.  Freaked me out the first time it occurred.   

Took me a couple weeks to get comfortable in general riding fixed.  Stayed 
on known  routes.  

It is about gearing for the downhill.  And there's no reason not to scrub 
speed to stay right at your discomfort point.  That's where your legs need 
to get used to a new motion.  

I find that fixed gear climbing is easier than a coastable setup once you 
get the momentum figured out.  Much easier.

70-75 of gear is probably the most common, especially for urban use. 

Two other experiences:

After I'd been riding exclusively fixed for three or four weeks, I cannot 
relate the level of panic I felt when accidentally coasting on a 
non-fixed setup.  Also, I've gotten in trouble on trails after getting used 
to my rear wheel as the third brake

There's a long straight stretch on one of my routes which requires that I 
merge through two lanes of traffic for a left turn.  It's a mild downhill 
incline, usually into the prevailing wind. Usually I can do this at traffic 
speed (~25 - 30 mph). One day on my first fixed gear bike  - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/290268731/ - (yeah, it was too 
small...) I cranked it up and began moving.  That day, the winds were 
behind me, at a pretty good level.  I suddenly had the very definite 
feeling that I was moving faster on that bicycle than I'd ever been going - 
at a cadence which was above my comfort level.  On a coastable, you can 
stop pedaling and scrub speed.  On the fixed gear I could not.  With some 
judicious braking, I got down into my comfort range, but definitely needed 
a little decompression after that. 

Take small bites and enjoy!

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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

ha... 

just remembered this:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/fixed/

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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

Passed along congrats in different online venues, but here's another one 
Manny!
Well ridden.  Well related.

Keep it rolling!

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Re: [RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post

2013-03-11 Thread Seth Vidal

minor nit pick - but I don't think there is any flash on the basic mail
reader in gmail at all.

I run w/o flash enabled, frequently, and everything works.

-sv



On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:


 many users post this in one form or another, so I'm just going to tack
 this here for a while:

 I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you
 an email directly.


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 and Bob's your uncle.

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[RBW] Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- how 
feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a fixed 
bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris

Patrick:

Yes, it can be done. A few of us crazy fixie riders went across the USA in 2006 
on fixed gears--including crossing the Sierras, Nevada, the Wasatch Range, and 
the Rockies (topping out at Monarch Pass, elev 11,312).

Ideally, in the mountains you will have a flip-flop hub that will let you have 
a climbing gear and a downhill gear. The range of speeds you mention--4 to 
7 mph uphill and 45 mph downhill--can't be reasonably achieved with a single 
gear. Unless you have superhuman strength, you won't be able to ride uphill in 
a gear tall enough to keep you from getting spun out on the downhills.

In practice, I found that the best solution for me was to pick a gear for the 
uphills and give up on those fast downhills--I would ride the brakes to keep my 
speed down on the descents. Needless to say, many a great downhill was ruined.

You can see photos and blog posts from that ride (the Big Fix) here: 
http://bigfix2006.blogspot.com/2006_06_01archive.html  (Riv content: I rode the 
Big Fix on my Quickbeam.)

--Eric N
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On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.
 
 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
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 www.OurHolyConception.org
 
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

Fixed-gear is fun, but it has an added limitation over freewheeling 
single-speeds in that you can't coast. Gear it low to climb hills, and 
it'll spin your legs off going down the other side (use good brakes, two of 
them). Gear it high enough that you can handle the spin downhill, and you 
will be walking uphill.  Surly makes a dingle cog that could help with 
this, and some people go a step further with a dingle cog plus double 
chainring. Ideally you'd have two gear ratios that wrap the same amount of 
chain so you can switch gears without loosening or removing the rear wheel.

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:06:21 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread William

I'm not a fixed gear rider, but I have read many accounts of doing very 
ambitious mountain climbs on a fixie.  The 100% constant among those 
accounts, which I think might be a non-starter for you, is that they all 
used clipless pedals.  Climbing a hill in a far-too-tall gear is made much 
more possible by using both legs at once, one pulling one pushing.  As a 
barefoot rider, I don't think you can do that.  

On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris

I have always ridden with cleated pedals on my fixes. With all due respect to 
those who prefer to ride without cleats, I think there is considerable danger 
in trying to keep one's feet on the pedals when descending at high speed … and 
once you've lost contact with the pedal at 150rpm, you won't get back on, and 
now you have two deadly flails whipping around between your legs at high speed.

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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:33 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not a fixed gear rider, but I have read many accounts of doing very 
 ambitious mountain climbs on a fixie.  The 100% constant among those 
 accounts, which I think might be a non-starter for you, is that they all used 
 clipless pedals.  Climbing a hill in a far-too-tall gear is made much more 
 possible by using both legs at once, one pulling one pushing.  As a barefoot 
 rider, I don't think you can do that.  
 
 On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.
 
 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
 www.OurHolyConception.org
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

Your conjecture makes a lot of sense to me, Jim: chain slack might be the
leading element, suggesting careful maintenance in that regard.  I'm new to
Rivendells, and as I check out frames for sale, I can't help but notice the
frequency of scarring to the drive-side stay, so I asked.


On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely
 weird.  I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design
 flaw.

 (And just to restate it, we're talking about chainsuck with the chain not
 letting go of the chainring from the 6 o'clock position, and climbing up
 into the chainstay from below.  Not simply jumping off the ring during a
 shift.)

 On the other hand, it may have something to do with where the bottom
 bracket is with respect to the shifty bits...

 Most mtb's have reasonably high bottom brackets - certainly when compared
 to the RBW designs.  And Grant's bikes have lengthy chainstays.  Combine
 that with wide range gearing and you probably end up with a bit more slack
 and less tension in the drivetrain.  So, you are coming from a lower
 point, which could wrap an extra tooth or two.  With no chain tension
 drawing the chain towards the derailleur, you start wrapping things up.
 It's less than a 1/4 turn of the cranks, so it can happen fast.

 Any sharkfinning on the chainring would of course exacerbate that.

 Pure, unadulterated conjecture on my part.

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


 On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:54:11 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:

 I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it
 ;)

 I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique.  I
 have triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced
 chain suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting worn
 chainrings, cog sets, or chains.  Sometimes those components are new.  I
 have doubles on my other road bikes, and they've never experienced chain
 suck.

 I've switched gears in every conceivable situation, high load, low load,
 wrong direction, right direction, while double shifting, or single
 shifting--no chain suck ever.  I've snapped chains while mountain biking
 due to bad shift choices, but I've never experienced chain suck.  However,
 while riding my Rivendell on its maiden voyage, I experienced chain suck
 during a low load shift while riding downhill.  Based on all the damaged
 chain stays I see in pictures of used Rivendells, it appears to be a common
 problem.

 That's been my experience.  I'd welcome a commercially available device
 to prevent chain suck on my Rivendell.  Perhaps they should be standard
 equipment?




 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)


 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)

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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB

*How I Learned To Stop Coasting And Love The Spin *

Isn't that the subtitle to Dr StrangeLegs?



On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:51:49 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 ha... 

 just remembered this:

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/fixed/


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Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread William

Slow clapstanding

On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:11:22 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 *How I Learned To Stop Coasting And Love The Spin *

 Isn't that the subtitle to Dr StrangeLegs?



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 ha... 

 just remembered this:

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/fixed/



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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Lynne Fitz

Beautiful pictures!  And congrats on finishing a 300k!

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:35:25 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Good time riding to nowhere and back. Doing my first Populaire last year I 
 got to riding with Esteban who told me when nearing the end of his 300k and 
 there's a zen feeling with nothing around you in sheer darkness.  It was a 
 humbling opportunity to ride with so many strong and experience cyclists. 
 Some highlights.
 -Riding with miles of wildflowers.
 - Tagging along with Ian's group till River Rd. 
 - The beautiful rolling hills after Healdsburg.
 - Coastal tailwinds all the way to the Marshal Store. 
 - Riding with and talking to Jenny Oh about her aspirations in finishing a 
 Randonneur Series( good luck to her)


 Good sense of learning happened.
 -Always jump on the tandem train. They can take you to wonderful places 
 when you are hurting. 
 - Riding in sheer darkness on a quiet road by yourself is zen-like.
 - Jump in groups to break up the monotony of riding alone. 
 - Let groups go when you know your cooked.
 - Understand  the wonderful healing properties of Slim Jims.
 - You can and will get dropped by everyone riding anything. 
 - Bring extra everything. Food, clothes, gloves, lights, stories, smiles. 
 You know the essentials.
 - Getting stung by a bee sucks. Specially when you get stung near the 
 saddle area...

 Pictures Proved that it's pretty at nowhere:
 http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEhBB7R

 -Manny What there's no burrito place open at 11 at night? Acosta


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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Michael

Manny,
Thanks for the info. I am not one that likes training.

You seem like a daily, riding-for-fun, non-trainer also, so I was wondering how 
you prepared.

I did a metric century and a 75 miler last year based in my 12 mile round trip 
commutes for training and it worked out fine, except my knees complained 
afterwards for a while.

But beyond a 75 miler, I think I'd have to train. My handling got sloppier as I 
got tired.

 Congrats on such a big accomplishment! Are you going to do the next Rando 
series ride? What is it, like, 600k or something?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Thanks, Jim, RE: conjecture. Does chain suck happen more often with certain 
types of derailers? I would guess that ones with weaker chain-tensioner 
springs would chain suck more often. (Perhaps something w/long cage vs 
short cage given the chain angle.) Seems like the chain-suck descriptions 
I'm familiar with (=not many) don't mention the rear derailer used. 

Then again, this is probably starting to over think the situation, and I 
need to go out and ride more. :)



On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:47:15 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 Your conjecture makes a lot of sense to me, Jim: chain slack might be the 
 leading element, suggesting careful maintenance in that regard.  I'm new to 
 Rivendells, and as I check out frames for sale, I can't help but notice the 
 frequency of scarring to the drive-side stay, so I asked.


 On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Cyclofiend Jim 
 cyclo...@earthlink.netjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely 
 weird.  I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design 
 flaw. 

 (And just to restate it, we're talking about chainsuck with the chain not 
 letting go of the chainring from the 6 o'clock position, and climbing up 
 into the chainstay from below.  Not simply jumping off the ring during a 
 shift.)

 On the other hand, it may have something to do with where the bottom 
 bracket is with respect to the shifty bits...

 Most mtb's have reasonably high bottom brackets - certainly when compared 
 to the RBW designs.  And Grant's bikes have lengthy chainstays.  Combine 
 that with wide range gearing and you probably end up with a bit more slack 
 and less tension in the drivetrain.  So, you are coming from a lower 
 point, which could wrap an extra tooth or two.  With no chain tension 
 drawing the chain towards the derailleur, you start wrapping things up.  
 It's less than a 1/4 turn of the cranks, so it can happen fast. 

 Any sharkfinning on the chainring would of course exacerbate that.

 Pure, unadulterated conjecture on my part.

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


 On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:54:11 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:

  I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced 
 it ;)

 I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique.  I 
 have triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced 
 chain suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting worn 
 chainrings, cog sets, or chains.  Sometimes those components are new.  I 
 have doubles on my other road bikes, and they've never experienced chain 
 suck.  
  
 I've switched gears in every conceivable situation, high load, low load, 
 wrong direction, right direction, while double shifting, or single 
 shifting--no chain suck ever.  I've snapped chains while mountain biking 
 due to bad shift choices, but I've never experienced chain suck.  However, 
 while riding my Rivendell on its maiden voyage, I experienced chain suck 
 during a low load shift while riding downhill.  Based on all the damaged 
 chain stays I see in pictures of used Rivendells, it appears to be a common 
 problem.
  
 That's been my experience.  I'd welcome a commercially available device 
 to prevent chain suck on my Rivendell.  Perhaps they should be standard 
 equipment?




 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  

  
 On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
 experienced chain suck .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
 guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

Thanks, all! The danger of leg flailing descents combined with my mandate 
to ride barefoot matches the conclusion I came to logically thinking about 
this (and thus ruling it out for me). But part of me was hoping for a magic 
answer. Grin.

The good news is, I can choose to ride in only one gear and see what 
happens on my climbs. No need for another bike to test that bit out. Grin.

With abandon (of my senses?),
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:38:19 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have always ridden with cleated pedals on my fixes. With all due respect 
 to those who prefer to ride without cleats, I think there is considerable 
 danger in trying to keep one's feet on the pedals when descending at high 
 speed … and once you've lost contact with the pedal at 150rpm, you won't 
 get back on, and now you have two deadly flails whipping around between 
 your legs at high speed.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com javascript:
 www.campyonly.com
 campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 

 On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:33 PM, William tape...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I'm not a fixed gear rider, but I have read many accounts of doing very 
 ambitious mountain climbs on a fixie.  The 100% constant among those 
 accounts, which I think might be a non-starter for you, is that they all 
 used clipless pedals.  Climbing a hill in a far-too-tall gear is made much 
 more possible by using both legs at once, one pulling one pushing.  As a 
 barefoot rider, I don't think you can do that.  

 On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had 
 -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

2013-03-11 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

From the comments in my other post about riding in the area just east of 
the Columbia River Gorge, it sounds like there might be some interest in 
doing a Riv ride out that way. An if you organize it, they will come sort 
of thing. I was eyeing April 6th (Saturday) to organize some sort of PDX 
area Riv-ride. Perhaps if there's interest, the ride could be moved east 
(The Dalles Mtn 60 route, Dufur to Maupin, or something else). I wouldn't 
be opposed to making it an overnighter (Sat-Sun) if there's interest in 
that. 

Would you be interested?

Thoughts?  

--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Jeremy Till

I've done a fair amount of hilly fixed gear and SS riding around the SF Bay 
Area, including climbing Mt. Tamalpais and Mt. Diablo numerous times as 
well as regular riding in the Berkeley Hills and Marin Headlands (which 
would be called Mountains back where I'm from in massachusetts).  As 
others have said, gear choice is critical, and has to be determined based 
on your own ability and local terrain.  When I was doing the most hilly 
riding, I found that a ~60 fixed gear did the best for me (40x19 or so 
with 700c wheels).  However, as others have hinted, this comes as the 
expense of fast descending and even brisk riding on the flats.  Part of the 
fixed gear experience is accepting these limitations. 

Also, yes, some type of foot retention is de rigueur for hilly fixed gear 
riding.  If you're using flat pedals for barefoot riding now the best 
option might be Power Grips, which are simple and highly effective.  

These days I have my Quickbeam setup with a higher geared fixed gear 
(42x17, 67 with 700x35c) for its main purpose of townie riding, and a 
low-geared singlespeed freewheel (42x22, 52) for longer hilly rambles. 

Also, check out the now-defunct 63xc webzine, whose archives are still up 
at 63xc.com.  It was a website dedicated to riding fixed gears for off-road 
adventuring, with a lot of how-to, tech, and philosophy articles.  The 
stuff by framebuilder Matt Chester in particular is really good, and a lot 
of it is informed by his experience riding fixed gears in mountains of 
Colorado and Idaho.  

On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Hi Patrick,
I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. 

To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel 
with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for 
vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar 
has?). http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.html

Kent Peterson did the Great Tour Divide on a single speed 
(http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/tour-divide-frequently-asked-questions.html),
 
which won't turn crank arms/pedals into deadly flails whipping around. 
Single-speed is nice, too.

Shoji


On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- 
 how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Tim

Thanks Larry. Berlin isn't too awful far, so I think I may well give Bruce 
a call. By the way, what kind of a Riv presence is there in CT? I'm working 
here for an extended period of time.
 
 
 

On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:05:01 PM UTC-4, Larry Powers wrote:

  Maybe not quite local but Bruce Miller at Berlin Bicycle has built the 
 wheels on all my Rivendels and Tandems.  I have not had a problem with any 
 of the wheels he has built for me.

 Larry Powers 
  
 Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


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 area? I have a Synergy rim that was cracking, which Velocity is replacing, 
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

Thanks, Shoji. I have a single speed now. 24 of them actually. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:50:48 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Hi Patrick,
 I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. 

 To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel 
 with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for 
 vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar has?). 
 http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.html

 Kent Peterson did the Great Tour Divide on a single speed (
 http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/tour-divide-frequently-asked-questions.html),
  
 which won't turn crank arms/pedals into deadly flails whipping around. 
 Single-speed is nice, too.

 Shoji


 On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had 
 -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing a 
 fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] WTB 28c Ruffy Tuffy Tires

2013-03-11 Thread Marty

Need a pair for a new build. Any out there gathering dust? 

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Bryan

I rode fixed gear on a commute bike for a couple of years in the Midwest 
and really liked it. It was perfect for flat to rolling terrain. I even 
rode a couple of centuries on it. Now living back in California, I've 
rediscovered the thrill of long, fast descents. I still love the simplicity 
and feel of a derailer-less drivetrain, and almost all of my commuting 
miles are on my singlespeed Quickbeam. I prefer a freewheel for riding in 
nasty traffic and avoiding cavernous LA potholes. I ride it into the 
mountains from time to time as well. The White Industries dual freewheel 
helps out for mountain riding. A typical ride in the mountains on the 
Quickbeam will involve two to three gear changes - 40x19 for going up, 
32x19 for super-duper climbs, and 40x16 for coming down. I've been meaning 
to try fixed again. One of these days . . . .

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[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

2013-03-11 Thread Davidbea

What bar are you running?

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:26:03 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote:

 Hi David, I'm using a Sugino triple, 8-speed cassette, and moved my Silver 
 friction shifters to the bar ends.  All this on my 56cm AHH 650b.  I 
 couldn't be happier.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

2013-03-11 Thread Davidbea

Great. Just back from a ride on my MB-5 with VO hammered fenders to find 
tracking says my Homer frameset arrives tomorrow. The ice is till along the 
Friendship Trail but a beautiful day.
Now to start putting the pieces  of the new bike together.
David

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On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:54:08 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have Hetres +VO Zepellins on my 58 Saluki (AHH in different life) with 
 no clearance issues. 

 -J, PHL


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[RBW] Re: Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

2013-03-11 Thread Mike

Of course I'm interested. I'll talk with my wife about it. Hopefully I
can get a pass for the whole weekend. I have a feeling it'll be a go
as I'm sitting out randonneuring this year and won't be doing any
camping or touring this summer due to the arrival of our child in
Aug.

Looping from Dufur to Maupin could be nice.

The ideal route would be to start in Dufur, head over to Maupin, climb
out of there and up to Wamic then take NF-48 to Barlow crossing, camp
out after a tough day. Then the next day keep climbing NF-48 to Hwy 35
and head down to NF--44 and back to Dufur. Unfortunately NF--44 and 48
will probably be closed until June due to snow.

Still, we have options. I would need a ride out there, but I'm down.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

I can say from experience that you don't need long training miles to finish
the ride if you have some good intensity in your training.  What you just
can't train for is to figure out what your body is going to say about the
food you are eating on the second day of a 600k. I got a little sour
stomach, and there's good suggestions for those who know this may be a
problem (pre-emptive Prilosec, eating bland foods, ginger candies, avoid
raspberry hammer gel--a definite for me!)

However, I won't know if any of this stuff helps until that next 600k,
because training doesn't substitute for the event...

--It may be crazy to do these rides that may make your body revolt, but I
gotta do PBP at least once in my lifetime!

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Philip Williamson

On Sunday, the Quickbeam and I climbed 1000 feet on Pressley Rd in Sonoma, 
and descended Sonoma Mt Rd. Flat pedals, no retention except grip tape. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8547042814/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8525218381/

Brakes, and the Surly Dingle cog made it feasible. I used 42x15 to get to 
the climb, flipped the wheel to climb in 42x21, and shifted to the smaller 
Dingle cog to descend in 42x17. On the climb I did a lot of traversing, 
which makes the grade less steep. 

I think you'd really like the 'stop-start' feel of fixed. Just keeping a 
multispeed drivetrain in the same gear feels different from a dedicated 
singlespeed, at least to me. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com
 

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:13:48 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Shoji. I have a single speed now. 24 of them actually. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:50:48 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Hi Patrick,
 I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. 

 To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel 
 with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for 
 vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar has?). 
 http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.html

 Kent Peterson did the Great Tour Divide on a single speed (
 http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/tour-divide-frequently-asked-questions.html),
  
 which won't turn crank arms/pedals into deadly flails whipping around. 
 Single-speed is nice, too.

 Shoji


 On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had 
 -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing 
 a fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

I benefited greatly from applying Phil Maffetone's Maximum Aerobic 
Function (keep your heart rate at or below (180 - age = MAF). His Big 
Book of Endurance Training was very helpful. I now run up mountains far 
more easily because I have a solid aerobic base.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 6:03:17 PM UTC-6, ttoshi wrote:

 I can say from experience that you don't need long training miles to 
 finish the ride if you have some good intensity in your training.  What you 
 just can't train for is to figure out what your body is going to say about 
 the food you are eating on the second day of a 600k. I got a little sour 
 stomach, and there's good suggestions for those who know this may be a 
 problem (pre-emptive Prilosec, eating bland foods, ginger candies, avoid 
 raspberry hammer gel--a definite for me!)
  
 However, I won't know if any of this stuff helps until that next 600k, 
 because training doesn't substitute for the event...
  
 --It may be crazy to do these rides that may make your body revolt, but I 
 gotta do PBP at least once in my lifetime!
  
 Toshi
  
  


  



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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

Wow. Nice. Someday I'd love to give that a try!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 6:11:48 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:

 On Sunday, the Quickbeam and I climbed 1000 feet on Pressley Rd in Sonoma, 
 and descended Sonoma Mt Rd. Flat pedals, no retention except grip tape. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8547042814/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8525218381/

 Brakes, and the Surly Dingle cog made it feasible. I used 42x15 to get to 
 the climb, flipped the wheel to climb in 42x21, and shifted to the smaller 
 Dingle cog to descend in 42x17. On the climb I did a lot of traversing, 
 which makes the grade less steep. 

 I think you'd really like the 'stop-start' feel of fixed. Just keeping a 
 multispeed drivetrain in the same gear feels different from a dedicated 
 singlespeed, at least to me. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com
  

 On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:13:48 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Shoji. I have a single speed now. 24 of them actually. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:50:48 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Hi Patrick,
 I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. 

 To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel 
 with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for 
 vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar has?). 
 http://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.html

 Kent Peterson did the Great Tour Divide on a single speed (
 http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/tour-divide-frequently-asked-questions.html),
  
 which won't turn crank arms/pedals into deadly flails whipping around. 
 Single-speed is nice, too.

 Shoji


 On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had 
 -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep 
 climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs 
 range 
 from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

 There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider purchasing 
 a fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Peter Morgano

I hate to say it but back in the days of my youth I when I had ride my
fixie down steep descents I would just put my feet on the shoulders of the
fork crown and let the cranks spin menacingly below me. I always had
brakes, though and would slow down enough at the bottom to catch up with
the cranks. Something I would not advise and wouldnt do nowadays but it was
fun at the time, haha.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

Wow. Nice. Someday I'd love to give that a try!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 6:11:48 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:

On Sunday, the Quickbeam and I climbed 1000 feet on Pressley Rd in
Sonoma, and descended Sonoma Mt Rd. Flat pedals, no retention except grip
tape.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**philipwilliamson/8547042814/http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8547042814/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**philipwilliamson/8525218381/http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8525218381/

Brakes, and the Surly Dingle cog made it feasible. I used 42x15 to get to
the climb, flipped the wheel to climb in 42x21, and shifted to the smaller
Dingle cog to descend in 42x17. On the climb I did a lot of traversing,
which makes the grade less steep.

I think you'd really like the 'stop-start' feel of fixed. Just keeping a
multispeed drivetrain in the same gear feels different from a dedicated
singlespeed, at least to me.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:13:48 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Thanks, Shoji. I have a single speed now. 24 of them actually. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:50:48 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

Hi Patrick,
I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike.

To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel
with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for
vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar has?).
http://www.whiteind.**com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.**htmlhttp://www.whiteind.com/rearhubs/singlespeedhubs.html

Kent Peterson did the Great Tour Divide on a single speed (
http://kentsbike.blogspot.**com/2010/01/tour-divide-**
frequently-asked-questions.**htmlhttp://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2010/01/tour-divide-frequently-asked-questions.html),
which won't turn crank arms/pedals into deadly flails whipping around.
Single-speed is nice, too.

Shoji

On Monday, March 11, 2013 3:06:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long
had -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep
climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs
range
from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more.

There are a lot of other wants and needs before I'd consider
purchasing a fixed bike, but curiosity reigns. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

*www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
*www.OurHolyConception.org*

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[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.