[RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Evan]

Wow! Beautiful bike. And I don't even want to think about what a bargain 
you got. Congratulations!


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[RBW] Re: A new power option for touring and commuting. I really like this.

[Jay Lonner]

Cool idea, I just backed it. Thanks for the link.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:32:42 PM UTC-7, clayton wrote:
>
> Check this out. What does everyone think? I see lots of advantages over a 
> generator hub. It can be removed easily when not needed. All the 
> electronics are already dialed, no need for extra stuff. Light, simple and 
> hidden under your pannier
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/siva-cycle-atom-phone-charger/27224/
>
> Clayton 
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Brent]

 Cecily - the fact was since I had the Bleriot ( I had just built it up ) I 
was not even thinking of another Rivendell at the time but it has become a 
habit of checking Craigslist for the possibility of finding something 
worthwhile in a vintage touring or road bike, but when I saw the Romulus 
and had some extra money just could not pass it up given it was my size. 
There are enough people looking for something to flip that you almost have 
to be looking all the time to find a good deal. I really did not think I 
had a chance but the owner was moving so that might have helped. Hope you 
find something - I would even go to Seattle if  the right bike was for 
sale. If I was not semi retired it would be almost impossible to have the 
time to do it as well.

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31:02 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
>
>
>I just picked up a 59 cm Romulus, alittle worse for wear but still in 
> good condition with some Honjo hammered fenders, Nitto front rack, Nitto 
> crystal seat post and Shimano side pull brakes - the headset is Shimano 
> 105. All for 400.00. It seems like a decent price especially since I doubt 
> I will come across anything Rivendell locally here in Vancouver, B.C. The 
> owner also threw in some leather handlebar tape. Anyway, I guess I will be 
> looking for some parts to build it up. This makes it my second Rivendell 
> along with a Bleriot I purchased early this year.
>
>
>
>   Brent Avery
>
>Vancouver, B.C.
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[RBW] Re: New Riv owner -- this time, with pictures!

[Brent]

 That is the great advantage to owing something like a Rivendell - you can 
enjoy looking at it almost as much as riding it. The seat lug in particular 
has a very vintage design to it. Isn't it great to find a Rivendell locally 
and just when you thought it could never happen? 

On Monday, April 15, 2013 8:56:35 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I bought a '97 Rivendell Road last week.  I discovered Rivendell a couple 
> years ago, and though I identified with Grant and his Rivendell ethos, I 
> never imagined I could own one of these beautiful--and expensive--machines. 
>  I figured the closest I'd get would be a refitted old lug frame, or a 
> Surly.
>
> I like to cruise the local bike ads on Craigslist, and one guy listed a 97 
> Rivendell with one crappy picture.  Long story short, it's the perfect 
> size, the perfect bike, in non-perfect shape, for an amazing price.
>
> Some cleaning later, here she is:
>
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist mistake delivers a new Bleriot.

[Brent]

  Always great to see some of the out of production models - I have a 59 cm 
so I suppose that makes me partial to Bleriots. I am still trying to find 
out how many were actually produced, perhaps 1200 or so in the two odd 
years they were made? I also imagine not too many were in your size.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:28:17 PM UTC-7, Phillip Hathaway wrote:
>
> One of the joys of lurking on this list is coming across local Riv owners 
> with bikes for sale. Last weekend I was trying to find the 64cm Atlantis 
> that recently sold in Superior and came across this 61cm Bleriot by 
> accident. I drove to Centennial and bought it on the spot! It was love at 
> first sight. I had a chance to ride it about 30 miles this past weekend 
> before our latest spring snow storm rolled in. I couldn't be happier! Well 
> maybe a little since Mike the seller refused to part with the Nigel Smythe 
> small trunksack in the picture. He also still has listed a very low mileage 
> 60cm Quickbeam and doesn't seem to be getting much response locally. Here 
> is the link. http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3716454142.html  . He takes 
> very good care of his bikes.
>
> Sadly, financing the sale is forcing the sale of my Nordavinden project 
> bike and build parts which I will list in a separate post. For the moment 
> I'm just thankful for this list and wanting to share.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: speaking of the blug... new Atlas rim

[cyclotourist]

And there ya' go... that looks like a winner for the heavy duty crowd.

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ken Yokanovich <
reflector.collec...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like you can get the noBS version for about half the price.
> http://velocity-dev.com/index.php/product/rims/nobs-700c
>
> Looks like the premium price on the Atlas is for the finish work.
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 10:24:20 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
>> They sure look nice, but the $107 price tag (to me) is way over the
>> top...  There are many great alternatives for MUCH less $...
>> What's so special about these rims to justify a price over $100 ???
>>
>> BB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:54:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant mentioned the new beefy touring Atlas rim again, to be made by
>>> Velocity right here in the USA. This time I detected a tone like it was
>>> already a reality.
>>> Checked the Velocity website and it is now listed in 26", 650B and 700C.
>>>   
>>> http://velocity-dev.com/**index.php/product/rims/atlas-**584
>>> Wide at 25.4 and beefy at 590 gms for the 650B size.
>>> should be a great rim for big knobbies and heavy duty touring.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>>
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[RBW] Re: speaking of the blug... new Atlas rim

[Ken Yokanovich]

Looks like you can get the noBS version for about half the price.  
http://velocity-dev.com/index.php/product/rims/nobs-700c

Looks like the premium price on the Atlas is for the finish work.

On Friday, April 19, 2013 10:24:20 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> They sure look nice, but the $107 price tag (to me) is way over the top... 
>  There are many great alternatives for MUCH less $...
> What's so special about these rims to justify a price over $100 ??? 
>
> BB
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:54:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> Grant mentioned the new beefy touring Atlas rim again, to be made by 
>> Velocity right here in the USA. This time I detected a tone like it was 
>> already a reality.
>> Checked the Velocity website and it is now listed in 26", 650B and 700C. 
>>   http://velocity-dev.com/index.php/product/rims/atlas-584
>> Wide at 25.4 and beefy at 590 gms for the 650B size.   
>> should be a great rim for big knobbies and heavy duty touring.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>

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[RBW] Spring Commutes

[Brian Hanson]

I've been riding the past few days in the nice sunny Seattle spring on my
Hunqa and Homer with some new combos.  Here are some pics of the current
iteration of the Hunqapillar with Midge bars and Resist Nomad tires.  I
like the Midges so far, and the best thing is they allow room for the large
Wald basket and large Shopsack combo that I was missing when I had the 42cm
Noodles on it.  The tires are, as mentioned, a nice large volume tire that
rolls well.  I took it down my favorite park dirt trail to test grip, and
they grip about as well as Jack Browns - i.e. if you need reliable
traction, look for more knobs.

pics: http://flic.kr/p/edH52P

On the Homer I put the GB Cypres tires back on.  Sublime...

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] wtb: Riv Rambouillet 58cm frameset (any color other than orange!)

[Eric]

Hey there! I'm looking for a 58cm Rambouillet in any color other than 
orange. Not picky on paint condition but nothing with dings/dents. 
Otherwise let's make a deal!! Thanks!! 

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[RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[Reid]

I once replaced a front wheel with a similar "professionally built" wheel 
on a road bike with 27" wheels. Suddenly the bike shimmied. After much 
aggravation, I found that the newly built wheel had "settled in," meaning 
it had become the tiniest bit "flexy." Another wheel builder tightened it 
up to spec and all was well.
 
Reid
 

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[RBW] Re: Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Reid]

Hey Clayton -- Curious about the long, relatively narrow frame bag that you 
made. Is that just for as much general "stuff" as you can stuff in there, 
or is it fitted for something specific?  Nice setup. I like it! A real 
touring Atlantis.
 
Reid
 

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[RBW] Re: Understanding Silver Shifters video

[Michael]

>
> Oh, cool! Thanks for the tip. Great to know it can be easily replaced if 
> needed.
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil experiment

[Michael]

>
> Very cool experiment!
> And you didn't even have to buy new brakes. So convenient!
>  
>
Let us know how you like it after a while trying it out. 

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[RBW] Joe Bunik please contact me

[Bertin753]

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil experiment

[ted]

I am fairly sure the clearance increased with the second generation of 
Bombadils.

On Monday, April 22, 2013 9:33:03 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:42:59 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have to admit, I'm now starting to wonder, just how big of a tire would 
>> fit I think Rock-n-Roads would easily enough (might have to remove the 
>> fenders though). But beyond that I'm now wondering if any 29er tires 
>> would go 
>>
>
> I happen to have a set of 29er wheels for rim brakes sitting in the 
> garage. I'll mount them up and see how they fit. Mine's a prototype so 
> yours might have more clearance.
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Re: [RBW] A new power option for touring and commuting. I really like this.

[Peter Morgano]

Not bad for what it does, but what it doesn't do is power lights like a
dynohub does. The Luxos U does both of these things, and is an amazing
light, from the tests online. I personally wouldn't buy anything from
someone who rides/endorses riding into a herd of people on the sidewalk
though, I just hate those people so much.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, clayton  wrote:

> Check this out. What does everyone think? I see lots of advantages over a
> generator hub. It can be removed easily when not needed. All the
> electronics are already dialed, no need for extra stuff. Light, simple and
> hidden under your pannier
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/siva-cycle-atom-phone-charger/27224/
>
> Clayton
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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[clayton]

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> I think it looks nice the way it is, but I also appreciate the cream head 
> tubes of the regular Atlantis paint scheme.  You could try putting masking 
> tape in the area where you would paint, and then step back a few yards to 
> get an idea of what a cream or ivory colored head tube might look like 
> against the olive green.  The more I imagine it, the more I like the idea 
> of the contrasting headtube. 
>
> -Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Great color. It doesn't need a headtube color, though the Atlantis head 
>> badge is plenty classy. Awesome you don't own a car!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[clayton]

Great idea. I never would have thought of that.


On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> I think it looks nice the way it is, but I also appreciate the cream head 
> tubes of the regular Atlantis paint scheme.  You could try putting masking 
> tape in the area where you would paint, and then step back a few yards to 
> get an idea of what a cream or ivory colored head tube might look like 
> against the olive green.  The more I imagine it, the more I like the idea 
> of the contrasting headtube. 
>
> -Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Great color. It doesn't need a headtube color, though the Atlantis head 
>> badge is plenty classy. Awesome you don't own a car!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Hugh
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[RBW] A new power option for touring and commuting. I really like this.

[clayton]

Check this out. What does everyone think? I see lots of advantages over a 
generator hub. It can be removed easily when not needed. All the 
electronics are already dialed, no need for extra stuff. Light, simple and 
hidden under your pannier

http://www.gizmag.com/siva-cycle-atom-phone-charger/27224/

Clayton 

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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Peter Morgano]

Nice bike, looks like a quality powder coat. I personally if it was all
built up would leave it. That hand made frame bag is the boss!
On Apr 23, 2013 7:38 PM, "Aaron Young" <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it looks nice the way it is, but I also appreciate the cream head
> tubes of the regular Atlantis paint scheme.  You could try putting masking
> tape in the area where you would paint, and then step back a few yards to
> get an idea of what a cream or ivory colored head tube might look like
> against the olive green.  The more I imagine it, the more I like the idea
> of the contrasting headtube.
>
> -Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Great color. It doesn't need a headtube color, though the Atlantis head
>> badge is plenty classy. Awesome you don't own a car!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Hugh
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[RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Aaron Young]

I think it looks nice the way it is, but I also appreciate the cream head
tubes of the regular Atlantis paint scheme.  You could try putting masking
tape in the area where you would paint, and then step back a few yards to
get an idea of what a cream or ivory colored head tube might look like
against the olive green.  The more I imagine it, the more I like the idea
of the contrasting headtube.

-Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

> Great color. It doesn't need a headtube color, though the Atlantis head
> badge is plenty classy. Awesome you don't own a car!
>
> Best,
>
> Hugh
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Technomic Deluxe/Tallux 9cm

[Paul Y]

Anyone have one in the garage? 

I am set up to send Paypal. One caveat is that I would need you to ship to 
Thailand. 

If you're looking for an 11 cm tallux, maybe we could trade? 

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[hsmitham]

Great color. It doesn't need a headtube color, though the Atlantis head badge 
is plenty classy. Awesome you don't own a car!

Best,

Hugh

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[RBW] FS - misc parts

[Seth Vidal]

I picked up a box of misc parts and sifted out the set of things I don't
really care about.

2 -  10sp cassettes one is 12-25 the other is 11 or 12 - 26.
 One of them has a missing lockring. $20 each

1 pair of crank bros eggbeaters pedals - good shape - $25

1 pair of crank bros candy c pedals - good shape - some scrapes $30

1 salsa moto-ace bell-lap bar - 26.0 clamp - I think it is 46cm wide - $35

1 Deda newton shallow drop bar - 31.7 clamp - 42cm wide - $40



Pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/sets/72157633309632099/detail/

Shipping not included in pricing. Shipping will be whatever it costs to
ship to you from NC.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Shimmy is typically very speed dependent.  When ride-buddy JimG was 
diagnosing his issue on a non-RBW bike, it shimmied in a very predictable 
pattern when using a front bag, rear load and unloaded.   ).  They were not 
equivalent speeds - 15, 18 and 21 mph IIRC.

It's also extremely center of gravity dependent.   I've seen it more with 
lighter, taller riders, and by sitting back and up, you are taking what 
little mass you have up off the pedals and pitching it back and behind.  
You might experiment slightly with the angle of your hips when you go no 
handed.  The reason I mention this is that I've found minor differences in 
how I sit makes a great deal of difference in where the COG is located.  
It's not important on my RBW bicycles, but I have an older fixed-gear bike 
where weight distribution is a lot more critical. 

My suggestion for removing the saddlebag was really one of identifying 
variables.  

As far as differing speeds on differing hills:  I'd go back to COG.  The 
steeper hill does effectively move it forward.  

On the Jack Browns, after I got my first pair, I had to really force myself 
to go back and use up the old Paselas... 
- Jim




On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:02:51 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
>
> Well, after removing the tire from the new wheel, remounting the tire to 
> ensure a perfect seal, and matching up the valve to the label for future 
> testing, and ensuring that the wheel was perfectly centered in the fork, I 
> got out for some more testing. 
>
> One thing that has changed since my initial tests: I no longer provoke 
> shimmy at a slow speed, only a decent clip. However, when descending a hill 
> at moderate speed or fast speed, if I'm sitting upright with hands off the 
> bars, my Sam Hillborne will dance. Frustrating.
>
> Of course, Charlie is right: I could just right with my hands on the bars. 
> But for me, riding no-handed down hills not only is relaxing, but a great 
> joy. So at least for me, it's not an option. Or at least not one I'm 
> willing to consider at this time.
>
> And as others have suggested, i could ride without a saddlebag. But after 
> using saddlebags for 20 years, I wouldn't even know how to ride without my 
> beloved saddlebag. (And furthermore, although I'm sure a weighted saddlebag 
> is a factor, I have not had any significant weight in my saddlebag 
> throughout this discovery process. Not to mention when I ride the old wheel 
> with the same saddlebag, I experience no shimmy.)
>
> How to explain the initial shimmy at slow speeds and now only at higher 
> speeds on a steeper hill? Perhaps the tire is seated better than initially. 
> Perhaps the rubber of the tire has expanded over the course of a day. Who 
> knows?
>
> I guess the worst case scenario is I go back to my old wheel with 
> fantastic new Jack Brown Greens. Wow, I love those tires! I was 
> anticipating a let down, going from 35c Panaracer Pasellas to a "skinny" JB 
> 33.3c. To the contrary, I'm really loving the tires and don't notice the 
> width as being a factor. Time will tell about puncture resistance. But as 
> far as ride quality, much improved on the JBs.
>
> Thanks for everyone for sharing his opinions and anecdotes. Much, much 
> appreciated. I will update this thread if and when I am able to solve the 
> riddle. But I suspect I will just swap back to my old wheel for the time 
> being and quit worrying about it.
>
> If any of you out there is interested in a new Shimano Alfine generator 
> hub on a new Syngery Velocity 32 spoke wheel, I may just be willing to part 
> with it.
>
> thanks again for sharing.
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:12:08 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> Wheel balance on bikes is a red herring.  The mass differences are too 
>> small and the RPMs of a bike wheel are too slow. 
>>
>> I have another anecdote that I don't have time to write at this time (at 
>> work, should be working...) which should help demonstrate this. 
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Will  wrote: 
>>
>> >  I've always felt that shimmy was related to an unbalanced wheel. We 
>> routinely balance our automobile wheels, why would a bike be different? 
>> > 
>> > I think as we move to fatter tires (more mass) we will need to address 
>> the balance issue. I think the frame discussion is irrelevant. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Brent]

 Michael - Perhaps I should say " older age" at 56 but the main reason is 
some deterioration in my neck so I need to be more upright as I just cannot 
stretch out as much.  I never did use a very long stem when I was younger, 
my  Sabatini originally came with a Cinelli 100mm but had to try a 80mm 
recently. It has a very short 55 cm top tube for a 58 cm frame ( C to C ) 
but has become an advantage. I much prefer the  Romulus though - it is a 
bit more stable although the Sabatini has fairly slack angles with 41 cm 
chain stays and was not twitchy as later designs tended to be. The Romulus 
is a nice alternative to the Bleriot and a Steelwool Tweed as I definitely 
find I can keep a faster pace overall. For years I had only one bike but so 
far like having a few with different ride characteristics and abilities. 
The 60 cm stem was found on ebay for a reasonable price.
 
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31:02 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
>
>
>I just picked up a 59 cm Romulus, alittle worse for wear but still in 
> good condition with some Honjo hammered fenders, Nitto front rack, Nitto 
> crystal seat post and Shimano side pull brakes - the headset is Shimano 
> 105. All for 400.00. It seems like a decent price especially since I doubt 
> I will come across anything Rivendell locally here in Vancouver, B.C. The 
> owner also threw in some leather handlebar tape. Anyway, I guess I will be 
> looking for some parts to build it up. This makes it my second Rivendell 
> along with a Bleriot I purchased early this year.
>
>
>
>   Brent Avery
>
>Vancouver, B.C.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Cecily Walker]

I constantly scour Vancouver Craigslist for any mention of Rivendell bikes 
and have always come up empty handed. Congratulations on that find!

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31:02 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
>
>
>I just picked up a 59 cm Romulus, alittle worse for wear but still in 
> good condition with some Honjo hammered fenders, Nitto front rack, Nitto 
> crystal seat post and Shimano side pull brakes - the headset is Shimano 
> 105. All for 400.00. It seems like a decent price especially since I doubt 
> I will come across anything Rivendell locally here in Vancouver, B.C. The 
> owner also threw in some leather handlebar tape. Anyway, I guess I will be 
> looking for some parts to build it up. This makes it my second Rivendell 
> along with a Bleriot I purchased early this year.
>
>
>
>   Brent Avery
>
>Vancouver, B.C.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[Will]

I dunno... Jan Heine has this to say:

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-downsides-of-wide-tires/

Will

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:12:08 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> Wheel balance on bikes is a red herring.  The mass differences are too 
> small and the RPMs of a bike wheel are too slow. 
>
> I have another anecdote that I don't have time to write at this time (at 
> work, should be working...) which should help demonstrate this. 
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Will > 
> wrote: 
>
> >  I've always felt that shimmy was related to an unbalanced wheel. We 
> routinely balance our automobile wheels, why would a bike be different? 
> > 
> > I think as we move to fatter tires (more mass) we will need to address 
> the balance issue. I think the frame discussion is irrelevant. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 14:37 -0500, Bruce Herbitter wrote:
> Why not try a headtube color that approximates the honey of the
> saddle, the panniers or the bar tape?

That saddle isn't going to stay that color very long.



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[RBW] Re: Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Clayton,
Looks like a super workhorse, military-spec, explorer bike. What a nice 
color your honey B-17 turned out.

I'd probably leave the color as is-- maybe put the head badge back on, or 
even get a custom one made. Maybe try Bosco hbars?

Happy riding, shoji



On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:31:50 PM UTC-4, clayton wrote:
>
>
> 
> This is my Atlantis I bought new in '98 or so. I recently rebuilt it with 
> Deore XT 10 speed (9 speed rear derailleur to work with 10 speed bar end 
> shifters), Tubus Cosmo rear rack, Nitto M-12 front, Nitto H20 cages, Salsa 
> Woodchippers (my favorite bar yet, even though it took some dirt drop stem 
> modification to get the sharp curves through the stem), XT V-brakes with 
> Cane creek V-brake compatible brake levers and platform pedals that 
> Rivendell sells. Also honey B-17 and a White Brothers suspension seat post 
> (the best I have found yet, and I tried a BUNCH. Too bad they don't make 
> them anymore). Fenders are Planet Bikes which are polycarbonate and seem to 
> last much longer than the ESGs(?). The frame bag I made myself and is made 
> from heavy green canvas. 
>
> I had it built before with "a proper Rivendell build", which was great for 
> the past 12 years or so. Thought I would try something new. I love the new 
> 24-36 low gear for my bad knees and steep trails are easy now. Not too sure 
> about platforms yet. They are great everywhere but on long rides and off 
> road. I feel so naked on them, like I could get bucked off at the slightest 
> bump. Not being able to bunny hop is weird too. 
>
> This is my car. I don't own a carbon spewing, children killing, money 
> sucking car. This sucks up my money insteadlol.
>
> Now I ask the groups wisdom. Do I paint the head tube ivory? Now it is 
> solid powder coat gloss olive and looks utilitarian and off roady. I think 
> it needs to be classed up a bit.
>
> I have had three back surgeries and three carpal tunnel surgeries, hence 
> the HIGH bars. 
>
> Thanks for looking and thanks for your head tube advice in advance...
> Clayton
>

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Re: [RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Why not try a headtube color that approximates the honey of the saddle, the
panniers or the bar tape?


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:31 PM, clayton  wrote:

>
> 
> This is my Atlantis I bought new in '98 or so. I recently rebuilt it with
> Deore XT 10 speed (9 speed rear derailleur to work with 10 speed bar end
> shifters), Tubus Cosmo rear rack, Nitto M-12 front, Nitto H20 cages, Salsa
> Woodchippers (my favorite bar yet, even though it took some dirt drop stem
> modification to get the sharp curves through the stem), XT V-brakes with
> Cane creek V-brake compatible brake levers and platform pedals that
> Rivendell sells. Also honey B-17 and a White Brothers suspension seat post
> (the best I have found yet, and I tried a BUNCH. Too bad they don't make
> them anymore). Fenders are Planet Bikes which are polycarbonate and seem to
> last much longer than the ESGs(?). The frame bag I made myself and is made
> from heavy green canvas.
>
> I had it built before with "a proper Rivendell build", which was great for
> the past 12 years or so. Thought I would try something new. I love the new
> 24-36 low gear for my bad knees and steep trails are easy now. Not too sure
> about platforms yet. They are great everywhere but on long rides and off
> road. I feel so naked on them, like I could get bucked off at the slightest
> bump. Not being able to bunny hop is weird too.
>
> This is my car. I don't own a carbon spewing, children killing, money
> sucking car. This sucks up my money insteadlol.
>
> Now I ask the groups wisdom. Do I paint the head tube ivory? Now it is
> solid powder coat gloss olive and looks utilitarian and off roady. I think
> it needs to be classed up a bit.
>
> I have had three back surgeries and three carpal tunnel surgeries, hence
> the HIGH bars.
>
> Thanks for looking and thanks for your head tube advice in advance...
> Clayton
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[RBW] Pictures of the worlds most perfect Atlantis (for me). Should I paint the head tube ivory?

[clayton]

This is my Atlantis I bought new in '98 or so. I recently rebuilt it with 
Deore XT 10 speed (9 speed rear derailleur to work with 10 speed bar end 
shifters), Tubus Cosmo rear rack, Nitto M-12 front, Nitto H20 cages, Salsa 
Woodchippers (my favorite bar yet, even though it took some dirt drop stem 
modification to get the sharp curves through the stem), XT V-brakes with 
Cane creek V-brake compatible brake levers and platform pedals that 
Rivendell sells. Also honey B-17 and a White Brothers suspension seat post 
(the best I have found yet, and I tried a BUNCH. Too bad they don't make 
them anymore). Fenders are Planet Bikes which are polycarbonate and seem to 
last much longer than the ESGs(?). The frame bag I made myself and is made 
from heavy green canvas. 

I had it built before with "a proper Rivendell build", which was great for 
the past 12 years or so. Thought I would try something new. I love the new 
24-36 low gear for my bad knees and steep trails are easy now. Not too sure 
about platforms yet. They are great everywhere but on long rides and off 
road. I feel so naked on them, like I could get bucked off at the slightest 
bump. Not being able to bunny hop is weird too. 

This is my car. I don't own a carbon spewing, children killing, money 
sucking car. This sucks up my money insteadlol.

Now I ask the groups wisdom. Do I paint the head tube ivory? Now it is 
solid powder coat gloss olive and looks utilitarian and off roady. I think 
it needs to be classed up a bit.

I have had three back surgeries and three carpal tunnel surgeries, hence 
the HIGH bars. 

Thanks for looking and thanks for your head tube advice in advance...
Clayton

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil experiment

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

 I was joking, of course, but there was murmuring in the early Bombadil 
days about the possibility of a disc brake option... I have no recollection 
about who was doing the murmuring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[john]

Well, after removing the tire from the new wheel, remounting the tire to 
ensure a perfect seal, and matching up the valve to the label for future 
testing, and ensuring that the wheel was perfectly centered in the fork, I 
got out for some more testing. 

One thing that has changed since my initial tests: I no longer provoke 
shimmy at a slow speed, only a decent clip. However, when descending a hill 
at moderate speed or fast speed, if I'm sitting upright with hands off the 
bars, my Sam Hillborne will dance. Frustrating.

Of course, Charlie is right: I could just right with my hands on the bars. 
But for me, riding no-handed down hills not only is relaxing, but a great 
joy. So at least for me, it's not an option. Or at least not one I'm 
willing to consider at this time.

And as others have suggested, i could ride without a saddlebag. But after 
using saddlebags for 20 years, I wouldn't even know how to ride without my 
beloved saddlebag. (And furthermore, although I'm sure a weighted saddlebag 
is a factor, I have not had any significant weight in my saddlebag 
throughout this discovery process. Not to mention when I ride the old wheel 
with the same saddlebag, I experience no shimmy.)

How to explain the initial shimmy at slow speeds and now only at higher 
speeds on a steeper hill? Perhaps the tire is seated better than initially. 
Perhaps the rubber of the tire has expanded over the course of a day. Who 
knows?

I guess the worst case scenario is I go back to my old wheel with fantastic 
new Jack Brown Greens. Wow, I love those tires! I was anticipating a let 
down, going from 35c Panaracer Pasellas to a "skinny" JB 33.3c. To the 
contrary, I'm really loving the tires and don't notice the width as being a 
factor. Time will tell about puncture resistance. But as far as ride 
quality, much improved on the JBs.

Thanks for everyone for sharing his opinions and anecdotes. Much, much 
appreciated. I will update this thread if and when I am able to solve the 
riddle. But I suspect I will just swap back to my old wheel for the time 
being and quit worrying about it.

If any of you out there is interested in a new Shimano Alfine generator hub 
on a new Syngery Velocity 32 spoke wheel, I may just be willing to part 
with it.

thanks again for sharing.
John


On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:12:08 AM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> Wheel balance on bikes is a red herring.  The mass differences are too 
> small and the RPMs of a bike wheel are too slow. 
>
> I have another anecdote that I don't have time to write at this time (at 
> work, should be working...) which should help demonstrate this. 
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Will > 
> wrote: 
>
> >  I've always felt that shimmy was related to an unbalanced wheel. We 
> routinely balance our automobile wheels, why would a bike be different? 
> > 
> > I think as we move to fatter tires (more mass) we will need to address 
> the balance issue. I think the frame discussion is irrelevant. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[keven@rivendell]

Hello All!
Water is available at the camp site.

Cheers,

keven


On Monday, April 22, 2013 10:18:23 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>
> Hey Keven -- Does the camping site have water or do we need bring our own?
>  
> Thanks,
> Reid
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[Tim McNamara]

Wheel balance on bikes is a red herring.  The mass differences are too small 
and the RPMs of a bike wheel are too slow.

I have another anecdote that I don't have time to write at this time (at work, 
should be working...) which should help demonstrate this.

On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Will  wrote:

>  I've always felt that shimmy was related to an unbalanced wheel. We 
> routinely balance our automobile wheels, why would a bike be different? 
> 
> I think as we move to fatter tires (more mass) we will need to address the 
> balance issue. I think the frame discussion is irrelevant. 

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[RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[Will]

 I've always felt that shimmy was related to an unbalanced wheel. We 
routinely balance our automobile wheels, why would a bike be different? 

I think as we move to fatter tires (more mass) we will need to address the 
balance issue. I think the frame discussion is irrelevant. 

Will

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Romulus

[René Sterental]

Very nice setup. I didn't know there were 6cm stems; I'm running a 7 cm
Tallux stem but wish I could go shorter.

René

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Michael wrote:

> Nice bike.
>> Congratulations!
>>
>>
> What do you mean by "old age". How did the longer stems effect you?
> I am thinking of going to a shorter stem myself.
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil experiment

[Ron Mc]

No offense, Jim, but I would be very surprised.  

Light-and-limber Bomba looks great.  

On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:06:44 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Someday when the technology has proven itself, maybe we'll get a disc 
> brake Riv! Wheel size changes will be trivial!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Bruce Herbitter]

Me too. I thought about a bike around 2000 or 2001, after returning from a
scout hike with my son that nearly killed me. I knew I needed a fun way to
work on fitness and my 1st bike was a self bribe to get off the couch. It
was a steel framed Trek Navigator (rail trail bike). The cycling bug bit
hard and I went through a series of bikes that ads said would be great for
me. None were, and they ended up sold to finance the next go. A few years
later, I found Rivendell bikes on the Harris site, while looking for a
saddle. The riding philosophy matched up well with my personal experience,
despite running against all the magazine articles. I was really hooked on
the Rambouillet when I read that it was affordable for someone with a job
and bicycling priorities. Finally, in late 2006, I ordered mine, selling my
pseudo racer to help fund it. I bought a 2d bike, used, and a 3rd frameset
only, also used. Now I have 3 examples of Rivendells and consider myself a
bike wealthy man!


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> "I doubt there are more than a handful of Rivendell owners who haven't
> cycled for years and owned numerous bikes before taking the plunge."
>
> I certainly fit into this category.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Michael]

>
> Nice bike.
> Congratulations!
>  
>
What do you mean by "old age". How did the longer stems effect you?
I am thinking of going to a shorter stem myself.

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[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Deacon Patrick]

"I doubt there are more than a handful of Rivendell owners who haven't 
cycled for years and owned numerous bikes before taking the plunge."

I certainly fit into this category. I hadn't bicycled at all since my brain 
injury at the end of 2002, though I rode a recumbent trike for a few years. 
When I discovered I could ride an upright again I did a lot of testing and 
research, borrowing bikes from others to both test the concept of if/how 
far I could ride. I discovered a distinct difference between how steel felt 
from other frames, and looking into it discovered Grant and Riv. I loved 
the do anything bike concept (one of the huge drawbacks of the trike for 
me), as well as approach to fit and decided to take the plunge. Far less 
costly than ending up in the same place after buying other, lesser bikes. 
Other steel bikes were tempting, but for the relatively small additional 
cost, it just seemed to make sense to see what I could do on a Rivendell. I 
have been delighted with that choice. The ability to tour on any road or 
trail I want, the solid responsiveness on pavement, dirt, and single track, 
with or without touring gear, for 7-8 hours a day is wondrous freedom. 
People who know me still don't understand the why of it (and my hunqapillar 
is way too big for them to try and thus understand).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 22, 2013 8:38:17 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>
> Hugh:
>
> Well put.  Especially for people who are new to cycling, the concept of a 
> multi-thousand dollar bike is mind boggling.  I doubt there are more than a 
> handful of Rivendell owners who haven't cycled for years and owned numerous 
> bikes before taking the plunge.  Our little corner of the universe is the 
> lugged steel niche of the all-rounder / touring / country bike niche of the 
> niche sport of cycling.  I'm grateful to have found Rivendell and that 
> there are enough other enthusiasts for this ethos to be on-going.  
>
> I love the "beater car / sweet bike" idea.  Many years ago there was a 
> magazine article about "riders whose bikes are worth more than their 
> cars".  As far as I'm concerned, my Atlantis is already worth more than my 
> Toyota.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2013 4:20:40 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Wanted to add something to this topic. 
>>
>> When I ride with people who are not as infatuated as I with all things 
>> bicycles but want to start cycling I often have a discussion about the 
>> attributes of my bike especially when I tell them it's made for mixed 
>> terrain it always distills to how much! There is always a gasp then I tell 
>> them there is a less expensive alternative like a Hillborne and let em know 
>> the price, a slightly smaller gasp, then the LHT comes to mind under 
>> $1300.00 built. IMHO I  think it is positive to direct people to Rivish 
>> type bikes (someone already said Grant does the same) that are within their 
>> realm of financial comfort. More people on comfortable bikes is in 
>> humanities best interest. 
>>
>> It's like the difference between a Toyota Camry and a Lexus (use which 
>> ever car manufacturer you prefer) The Camry is reliable and comfortable and 
>> reasonably priced and the Lexus is all that and adds some aesthetics for a 
>> premium, both function well it just depends on the individuals priorities.
>>
>> Lastly, as enlightened cyclists who appreciate Riv logic aren't we beyond 
>> the elitism we abhor? As for me I don't care if my neighbor wants to ride a 
>> carbon fiber road bike, hey he's on a bike! If he comes to me about comfort 
>> issues I'll extol the benefits of a quill stem and leather saddle and help 
>> him how I can. 
>>
>>  I know I'm probably rehashing something some else has already stated but 
>> perhaps I'm saying a bit differently. Human on a bike any bike= good deal.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Hugh "I'd rather have a beater car and a sweet bike" Smitham
>> Sunland, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:56:54 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Jim for all you do.  As a poster that sometimes says too much or 
>>> sometimes says the wrong thing in the wrong way, I've been more diligent in 
>>> asking myself right before hitting "Post" the following two questions:
>>>
>>> 1.  Will the board be any better off if I hit the Post button?  Even if 
>>> it's just a tiny bit better, that's good
>>> 2.  Will the board be any worse off if I hit the Discard button instead? 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Of the posts I type, I end up hitting the Discard button maybe 30% of 
>>> the time.  I've regretted posting things in the past.  I've never regretted 
>>> discarding a post.  
>>>
>>>


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Re: [RBW] FS: 62 CM Ebisu All purpose

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks to everyone who shoed an interest in the Ebisu. Too many for me to 
try to respond personally to each, my apologies for that.  It has been sold.

Thanks also for the kind words about the bike (and shop)  As for 
retirement, oddly I actually ride the singles less.  My commute was 30 
miles a day, I spend more time on the tandem with my wife; and I have found 
that I enjoy three or four two hour rides a week and no longer have any 
urge to do really long rides.  Two hours is great, three is OK, four is no 
longer fun.

Michael

On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:32:54 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Congratulations on retirement! I thought that meant you got to start 
> playing with the bikes you have (and accumulate more!).
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Michael Hechmer 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I used this bike to commute but now that I have retired, and also bought 
>> a Saluki have decided to sell it and my '84Trek 620.  The Ebisu is an 
>> excellent commuting / touring bike.  A very comfortable ride with great low 
>> speed stability.   Very favorably reviewed in BQ, Summer of 06.
>>
>> The bike is in very good condition.  $1400 plus shipping for the whole 
>> bike, Frame set with Phil Wood BB & Ultegra HS $900. Plus Shipping.
>> Mfg description & specs at:   
>> http://www.jitensha.com/eng/aboutframes_e.html
>>
>> Pictures here:  
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/110692344592863063357/albums/5854831839073695905?gpinv=AMIXal9_F0FFEFZgQgQH3bqnhsmsf4OsbmiLMqwdLAgus25JkPMh0z2p_tUXSXWNDAbe78barogZtJvcoReICCmbaydSKMJUfbuSF8I8MeyKwmUYQ8Hd04s&cfem=1&authkey=COqjxYHt_Jr0XQ
>>
>>
>>
>> Frame & fork have never been crashed, have no dings and no scratches 
>> other than the ones pictured.
>>
>>
>> Components:
>>
>>
>> Phil Wood BB  & Ultegra Head Set.  Both in very good condition
>>
>> Nitto Stem, Bars, & Seat Post and rack in excellent condition
>>
>> Sugino Triple Crank, Ultegra 9 speed cassette, Silver BE Shifters.  All 
>> in very good condition
>>
>> Deore Deraillers.  Clean, look like new
>>
>> Rims Mavic MA 40;  well used but round with no sign of cracking.  Very 
>> sturdy
>>
>> Rear Hub is Ultegra in very good condition; Front is Campy NR. With lots 
>> of miles on it but still going OK.  Tires Avocet Cross, 38C pictured
>>
>> Brakes are New Tektro Cantis and Cane Creek levers.  The hoods have 
>> darkened but the levers are otherwise perfect.
>>
>> Nitto Mini front rack, with home made light mount attachment
>>
>> VO steel fenders without any dings.
>>
>> Reply off list
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil experiment

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Someday when the technology has proven itself, maybe we'll get a disc brake 
Riv! Wheel size changes will be trivial!

On Monday, April 22, 2013 11:33:03 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:42:59 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have to admit, I'm now starting to wonder, just how big of a tire would 
>> fit I think Rock-n-Roads would easily enough (might have to remove the 
>> fenders though). But beyond that I'm now wondering if any 29er tires 
>> would go 
>>
>
> I happen to have a set of 29er wheels for rim brakes sitting in the 
> garage. I'll mount them up and see how they fit. Mine's a prototype so 
> yours might have more clearance.
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Re: [RBW] Re-Introduction

[William R.]

Hi Dave. It's a Zimbale saddle bag, which I have come to realize is an Asian 
(Korea?) company that basically copies Carradice. I have some remorse over that 
(not the Asian part, the copying of Carradice). I take solace in the fact the 
saddle bag seems to me to be their one bag that I couldn't find their 
inspiration for. So maybe it's an original design? If you do a search for 
Zimbale you will find these bags at low cost but limited availability. Last 
time I checked, the company didn't seem to be thriving, I think that might be 
because of their grey-ish market existence. FWIW: it's bigger than the Brand V 
saddle bag that I also have on my other bike and like, but smaller than most 
other dedicated saddlebags that Carradice and others make with additional 
pockets. -Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Romulus

[Bruce Herbitter]

Really looks nice.  I also liked that bar tape.  It didn't last as long for
me as Brooks tape does, but it costs less too.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Brent  wrote:

>I finally put everything together and went on some rides - although
> i have been spoiled by the Hetres on the Bleriot the Romulus rides decently
> with 32mm Pasela Tour Guards although I feel more through the frame. I will
> try and post an image although this is my first attempt here. The rear
> Mavic Open Pro rim creaked quite badly ( it was a used wheel set ) but
> after oiling around the nipples it finally stopped. Older age had me
> putting on a shorter Nitto Technomic 60mm stem along with 44 cm Noddle
> handlebars. The handlebar tape is leather from Taiwan I purchased on ebay
> and is pretty good quality for around 55.00 shipped. Crank set is a V.O
> compact ( 48/36 ) and the rear cassette is a Shimano HG 81 ( 12-28 ). FIrst
> time trying a long cage Microshift rear derailleur and the quality is very
> good and it works quite nicely, I am using a Campagnolo Centaur front
> changer and the barcons are Dura Ace 9 speed. Cane Creek SCR 5 brake levers
> and Tektro side pulls for braking. The Romulus rides and handles very
> similarly to my mid '70's Italian Sabatini road bike which is a compliment
> but of course the Romulus is more comfortable and practical.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:31:02 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
>>
>>
>>I just picked up a 59 cm Romulus, alittle worse for wear but still in
>> good condition with some Honjo hammered fenders, Nitto front rack, Nitto
>> crystal seat post and Shimano side pull brakes - the headset is Shimano
>> 105. All for 400.00. It seems like a decent price especially since I doubt
>> I will come across anything Rivendell locally here in Vancouver, B.C. The
>> owner also threw in some leather handlebar tape. Anyway, I guess I will be
>> looking for some parts to build it up. This makes it my second Rivendell
>> along with a Bleriot I purchased early this year.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Brent Avery
>>
>>Vancouver, B.C.
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