[RBW] The Betty Foy Project

2013-04-28 Thread blakcloud
I was cleaning up my bike stuff and my wife saw my Albatross bars that I 
have hanging around and said she loved those bars as they reminded her of 
the bike she grew up with in Japan. That gave me an idea why not build her 
up a Betty Foy. I am between bike projects for myself, so I ordered a Betty 
Foy that is suppose to be here next week. I started the parts collection. 
So far I have the Stronglight crank in 165 from Riv, Shimano XT rear, 
Ultegra triple front, MKS pedals, Nitto stem and seatpost, Dura Ace bar end 
shifers, XT cassette, Brooks saddle, Silver brakes, SRAM 991 chain, Marks 
front Nitto rack, Wald basket, Pletcher kickstand, essentially everything 
but the wheels and tires.
The question is what do I do for wheels?

Should I just buy pre-built wheels from Riv and call it a day? The amount 
she will ride it  (5-10 times a year) says this is the most cost effective.

Since I went with the best on everything else, should I really buy custom 
built wheels? Hubs are an easy choice but what rim would compliment that 
bike?

Should I build them up myself? I have never built wheels but I just bought 
the Park 2.2 wheel truing stand and really how hard can building a wheel 
for a 100 pound woman be? I am mechanically inclined, never taking my bike 
to a bike shop for anything but pressing in a headset. 

Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

I someone has a set that they think would be appropriate to sell then let 
me know, I might consider it. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1984 Trek 620/ Price reduction

2013-04-28 Thread Michael Hechmer
Having found no buyer for this wonderful bike, I have decided to reduce the 
price before moving to Ebay.  I am now offering the Frame, Fork, Cane Creek 
HS, the bottom bracket, and the original cant brakes for $400.

Michael

On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:44:54 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 1984 Trek 620


 Classic Trek Frame, Reynolds 531, in good condition.  Never crashed, some 
 paint chips and some oxidation at cable guides.

 ST,  61 C-T;  TT, 58 C-C;  CS 45.5; 


 This bike was originally sold as a touring frame with 27”whees and I can 
 ship a set of 27”wheels if buyer prefers, but the cantis will align with 
 700c.  Today this would be called a sport-touring bike.  The dimensions, 
 tire capacity, and handling are remarkably similar to my Rambouillet.  It 
 might be a bit lighter  quicker, both on handling and acceleration, but 
 that may be my imagination.  Anyway it is very versatile, will handle 32mm 
 tires  fenders, and is fun to ride.  I have replaced it with a Saluki, 
 which is a better alternative to my Ram.


 Bike $900; Frame Set with new Cane Creek HS and Tange BB  $500


 Components:

 Nitto stem 12cm, Noodle bars 46cm, Nitto seat post al in excellent 
 condition.

 Brakes - Original Di Comp Cantis and new Tektro Levers

 Crank - Sugino triple (48/34/26) 175 mm  with new rings.

 Wheels - Arraya/105.  These were the wheels supplied with my Ram.

 Cassette - Ultegra 9 spd, 12-27

 RD - Ultegra; FD - 105; Bar End Silver Shifters.

 Tires 32 mm Tserv in good condition.


 Pictures at:


 https://plus.google.com/photos/110692344592863063357/albums/5854943142571386961/5854943370814286722?gpinv=AMIXal9e0mleDCNGoyXUV5CI1T60WYdBA8lzWsKsOiVDePoqvNWnu_FoWtJkaoqNd0YbTNq1mHDYMEMOI2-CykLtchc5-aX-aEhXY_rnPCZqu47N6jQwqnscfem=1authkey=CM3pooC459W75wE



 Please respond off list

 Michael


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[RBW] Re: FS: Moustache bar

2013-04-28 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
Since there is not way to edit your own posts after they're sent, that's 
the only way I've found to make a correction after the fact. I've been know 
to do it too on occassion and never realized that e-mail users were getting 
it multiple times. Would be nice to have an edit feature for your own 
posts. I think there is something like that on Blogger.
 
Jay
On Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:17:46 PM UTC+3, Michael wrote:

 Hi Jim,
  

 I wasn't aware that posts get emailed to people privately as well.
 Sorry for the inconvenience.
 I redid the post a couple times. Sometimes it don;t come out right the 
 first time.
  
 Only one bar for sale.
 Pics to come for anyone interested in seeing.


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Re: [RBW] The Betty Foy Project

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I've been generously given a set of wheels (thanks, Kelly/Tom) for the Ram
but, if you can't get a freebie, I'd vote for building your own.
(Incidentally, traded the donated one for a set of Open Pro/Ultegra ones
from my brother, who wanted a sturdier, wide-rim set for a 29er.)

OTOH, I had the budget wheels on the Sam Hill I briefly owned and they were
perfectly good.

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:58 PM, blakcloud blakclou...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was cleaning up my bike stuff and my wife saw my Albatross bars that I
 have hanging around and said she loved those bars as they reminded her of
 the bike she grew up with in Japan. That gave me an idea why not build her
 up a Betty Foy. I am between bike projects for myself, so I ordered a Betty
 Foy that is suppose to be here next week. I started the parts collection.
 So far I have the Stronglight crank in 165 from Riv, Shimano XT rear,
 Ultegra triple front, MKS pedals, Nitto stem and seatpost, Dura Ace bar end
 shifers, XT cassette, Brooks saddle, Silver brakes, SRAM 991 chain, Marks
 front Nitto rack, Wald basket, Pletcher kickstand, essentially everything
 but the wheels and tires.
 The question is what do I do for wheels?

 Should I just buy pre-built wheels from Riv and call it a day? The amount
 she will ride it  (5-10 times a year) says this is the most cost effective.

 Since I went with the best on everything else, should I really buy custom
 built wheels? Hubs are an easy choice but what rim would compliment that
 bike?

 Should I build them up myself? I have never built wheels but I just bought
 the Park 2.2 wheel truing stand and really how hard can building a wheel
 for a 100 pound woman be? I am mechanically inclined, never taking my bike
 to a bike shop for anything but pressing in a headset.

 Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

 I someone has a set that they think would be appropriate to sell then let
 me know, I might consider it.

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[RBW] Re: First Rivendell Siting in the Wild

2013-04-28 Thread Michael


 I have never seen one in I know of the wild except my own.


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[RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Michael
Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
modern bike scene in the US.
You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
some fun chatting on these bikes.
I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
handlful actively participate.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell names

2013-04-28 Thread jimD
+1 on Paso Robles as a great place for riding.
-JimD

On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:50 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Shot this northeast of Paso Robles a while back:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/8687623510/in/photostream
 
 Just stumbled across it in my random access photo filing system  thought it 
 may be of interest.  There's a really fun loop from around the Paso Robles 
 airport area, north to Hog Canyon (much nicer than it sounds)  looping 
 around to San Miguel, crossing 101 into the hills above Paso, then back into 
 town.  Lots of great riding up there, one of my favorite riding areas.  
 
 dougP
 
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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Ron Mc
Proves my argument from our Trout Unlimited chapter board meeting 
yesterday.  Texas has one chapter, Guadalupe River, it's also the state 
council, has 5000 members and is the 3rd largest business unit within the 
national organization, behind Michigan and New York state councils. 
 Somebody said we could save money printing newsletters by forcing people 
to opt in if they want to receive printed newsletters rather than online. 
 No, opting out is great, but if the choice is to opt in, we lose 
communication with 4000 of those 5000 members, and that communication is 
part of our directive.  They need to know that we're working to restore 
native Rio Grande cutthroat trout in McKittrick Canyon.  

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell names

2013-04-28 Thread Seth Vidal
burley had a tandem named the paso dobles.

We have one - damn fine bike.

-sv



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:

 +1 on Paso Robles as a great place for riding.
 -JimD

 On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:50 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Shot this northeast of Paso Robles a while back:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/8687623510/in/photostream

 Just stumbled across it in my random access photo filing system  thought
 it may be of interest.  There's a really fun loop from around the Paso
 Robles airport area, north to Hog Canyon (much nicer than it sounds) 
 looping around to San Miguel, crossing 101 into the hills above Paso, then
 back into town.  Lots of great riding up there, one of my favorite riding
 areas.

 dougP

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Re: [RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Tim McNamara
I'm not going to complain, there are already more posts to this list every day 
than I have time to read.


On Apr 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.
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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Deacon Patrick
In my experience founding/moderating other similar groups (brain injury 
support), a small percentage of the folks registered participate regularly. 
The majority read and absorb the posts, gaining from the group, and some 
portion are registered and never check the list. I took a year after owning 
my Hunqa before deciding to pop on here. I've been delighted I have, with 
such great people sharing a passion for the ecosystem of topics surrounding 
Rivendell. Part of it may simply be the low profile of the group on the 
Rivendell site. I heard about it from a Riv. elf when I asked a question. 
Great question, check the brain trust on the Riv. Group. 

With abandon,
Patrick  

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:30:12 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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[RBW] Trek 620 Price reduction

2013-04-28 Thread Michael Hechmer
I tried to add this to the original post with a change of subject, but it 
didn't take.

Having found no buyer for this wonderful bike, I have decided to reduce the 
price before moving to Ebay.  I am now offering the Frame, Fork, Cane Creek 
HS, the bottom bracket, and the original cant brakes for $400.

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread john
I didn't even know of this forum until last year, although I've been a Riv 
reader subscriber since day one, and I've owned a Rivendell for four years 
now. It came about because I was looking for a part of something (don't 
recall what it was), and Dave (I think it was Dave) suggested I try the 
group. So glad he did. What a fantastic resource. 

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:25:15 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 In my experience founding/moderating other similar groups (brain injury 
 support), a small percentage of the folks registered participate regularly. 
 The majority read and absorb the posts, gaining from the group, and some 
 portion are registered and never check the list. I took a year after owning 
 my Hunqa before deciding to pop on here. I've been delighted I have, with 
 such great people sharing a passion for the ecosystem of topics surrounding 
 Rivendell. Part of it may simply be the low profile of the group on the 
 Rivendell site. I heard about it from a Riv. elf when I asked a question. 
 Great question, check the brain trust on the Riv. Group. 

 With abandon,
 Patrick  

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:30:12 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.



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[RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread john
Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations. 
I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some 
time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

The criteria: 

1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or 
anything complicated.
3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I 
seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for $30 
or so?

Thanks.

John

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Cheap  simple.  $16.99 + 20% more off today only. Cateye 8

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_135906_-1___202553


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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[RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread William R.
Hi John. Do you have a smart phone by any chance? If so and if you already take 
yours with you when you ride then you already have a cycle computer. I use a 
app called Cyclemeter but there are many more options out there. I turn it on 
when I head out on a ride, put in my bag and forget it. But you could get a 
handlebar mount for your phone and go that way. These apps are so intuitive 
they make traditional cycle computers obsolete. Nothing against not having a 
smart phone of course. There are great deals out there on the more traditional 
cycle computers. My most recent experience is with a Cateye Wireless. I wasn't 
happy with it. Very confusing to program. If I were going that route I would 
look for a cheap, wired Avocet 35 from back in the 90's. I found their 
operation simple. Never needed all the cadence and heart rate stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Peter Morgano
I got a no name wireless from my lbs 3 years ago, still works great. It was
40 bucks.
On Apr 28, 2013 2:39 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Cheap  simple.  $16.99 + 20% more off today only. Cateye 8

 http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_135906_-1___202553


 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John

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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread IanA
I just use a wired Cateye.  Older model, but basically similar to this one 
in terms of function 
http://www.rei.com/product/838365/cateye-cc-vl520-velo-7-wired-bike-computer

I've found my old Cateye to be very accurate for distance readings.  Mine 
isn't waterproof in an extended downpour, so now I'm in the habit of 
putting a small plastic bag over it in rain.  It would be better if 
waterproof.  I prefer wired instead of wireless, due to battery life.

Something that is hard to find on a cheaper computer is illumination. In 
addition to basic function, illumination for me would be the most useful 
feature,

I only use the computer for longer rides (touring and randonneuring. ,For 
commuting, I don't find a computer useful.

Ian A
Edmonton, AB Canada.

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:13:52 PM UTC-6, john wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations. 
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some 
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria: 

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or 
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I 
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for 
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

 John


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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Garth
My favorite is my actual PC !!  Yes, if/when I wish to know how far I rode, 
I just go to google maps. I have my home destination coordinates as the 
start page, then I simply click to add destination points as needed, as a 
simple point A to B often chooses the fastest route for cars, not 
necessarily the one I chose. 

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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread WETH
I like the Planet Bike Protege 9.  I bought mine at REI.  I first learned of it 
through reviews on the Crazy Guy on a Bike website: 
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/reviews/board/message/?o=1thread_id=41518page=1nested=0v=1C

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[RBW] April Overnighter

2013-04-28 Thread Robert Kirkpatrick
As alluded to in my recent post w/r/t my Quickbeam I took an overnight bicycle 
camping trip during several very nice days here in the PNW.  My writeup of said 
trip can be found here:
http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/?p=3193

and a bunch of photos can be found here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157633364747944/

cheers,
Robert

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:40 -0700, William R. wrote:
 My most recent experience is with a Cateye Wireless. I wasn't happy
 with it. Very confusing to program. If I were going that route I would
 look for a cheap, wired Avocet 35 from back in the 90's. I found their
 operation simple. Never needed all the cadence and heart rate stuff.

I found the Wireless Micro instructions almost incomprehensible;
fortunately, there are English translations available that make much
more sense.

More recently, I purchased a Cateye Strada Wireless.  Cheap, limited
functions but it has everything I want and not much that I don't; and it
turns out it's pretty easy to figure out how to set up.



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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote:
 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for
 recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track
 mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try.
 
 
 The criteria: 
 
 
 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude
 or anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today?
 I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this
 for $30 or so?

Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20.
I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance
1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean
the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time.

The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless
computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too.




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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Point of Order:  There are 2339 members as of today, 4/28/13

Separate from the accounting, I like to think of this list as a focused 
resource.  Now that the archiving bugaboos have been largely sorted out by 
google, the information which you can access from previous list posts and 
discussions is pretty significant. I do think that for all the basic 
questions which pop up (and just to be clear, basic questions are great!) 
there is some noticeable search activity which goes on as well.  

I don't think we are at all unique in that we have a smaller number of 
actively posting members.  Where I like to think we differ is in the 
quality of the discussion. We don't need to argue that this year's 
drivetrain system is better than last year's, nor do we need to vouch for 
why the newest wrinkle is now and forever the latest/greatest.  It can be a 
bit disconcerting to dive into a discussion which has been going on a 
while.  (I mean, there are folks on this list I've been crossing paths with 
online for nearly two decades.)  The common experience in an internet 
discussion is to raise a hand only to get it slapped back down.  We're an 
exception to that. 

There are a whole host of reasons why folks join lists.  Private notes now 
and again indicate that a good number of people greatly appreciate the 
quality of information and discussion here.  

Bicycles are simple tools.  At least the ones which we seem to be 
collectively drawn to.  Done right, they simple in the sense of violins or 
guitars - capable of realizing works of great complexity and beauty.  

And as they say, if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your 
own... ;^)

Jim / list admin / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

2013-04-28 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
As does a certain company in Walnut Creek - 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hsrd.htm

On Friday, April 26, 2013 3:26:33 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Miche and Velo Orange both offer 1 threaded needle bearing headsets, if 
 it comes to that.  


 On Friday, April 26, 2013 7:47:44 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 While you're investigating frame alighnment, it might not hurt to try a 
 new headset. The standard issue Hillborne headsets are not the greatest. I 
 don't think you need to hunt down an obsolete needle bearing headset, 
 though. Something with cartridge bearings would be nice. Ask your lbs to 
 face the head tube before installation.



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[RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Pondero
I don't comment often, but enjoy this group a great deal.  I learn much, and am 
entertained by the dialog, but rarely sense I have anything that would add to 
those who precede me.

Thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread hsmitham
Though new to this list I felt a common Rivhood with the participants and 
have learned immensely in my short participation. I also belong to another 
group and for the most part just read and learn and don't feel I have 
anything to contribute to that list. With the Riv group if I have a 
question I'll make a post and have always received helpful information. My 
favorite posts on this list are the ride reports with images included, they 
are always inspirational and get me out to do the same! Michael's question 
is interesting to ponder, however I am happy with the current state of the 
list and appreciate Jim's moderating the broad scope of topics and the 
polite tone.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:11:15 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 I don't comment often, but enjoy this group a great deal.  I learn much, 
 and am entertained by the dialog, but rarely sense I have anything that 
 would add to those who precede me.

 Thanks all!


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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Joe Bernard
I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and the 
shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at bikelist.org. Google 
has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you learn them, they update 
to something quirkier. Not fun.
 
Joe fed up with Gmail for the same reasons Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote:
 I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and
 the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at
 bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you
 learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun.  

I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at
bikelist.org.  Can't say I've seen any of those quirks.  



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

2013-04-28 Thread Stephen S
Here is a set of the pics that I took that I actually liked. =)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/noryia/sets/72157633358589695/

It was a great trip. Thanks for putting this together Keven! I'd love to 
see more of these in the future. 

Stephen

On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:

 Hello All-
 We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
 Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.

 If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email 
 (ke...@rivbike.comjavascript:) 
 to let me know.

 We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one other 
 Riv employee will join us.

 You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to borrow 
 a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.  It's a 
 great opportunity to try out something new!

 The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
 gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.

 Hope you can join us!
 -keven


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[RBW] ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-28 Thread hsmitham
Hi Rivsters,

I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed 
bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer 
using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
+1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take
care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) bikes, but also to tell your
time, download your email, tell your temperature, find your directions, get
your library books, keep your daughter amused, etc etc etc. I hear tell
that the 4 manages GPS more efficiently than the 3G (free with 2 yrs ATT)
so i think I'll upgrade sometime this year.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, john johnco...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for recomendations.
 I've been on the fence about using a computer to track mileage for some
 time now, but I believe I'd like to try.

 The criteria:

 1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read.
 2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude or
 anything complicated.
 3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? I
 seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious).
 4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this for
 $30 or so?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] ISO: the guy who sold me the 5 litre Carradice saddle wedge: want to buy the 8 litre one, too.

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
What it said.

Tx.

(Thanks, not Texas.)

PAM

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Re: [RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
A former moderator for the boblist complained that my personal postings
sometimes hit 20% of daily list totals. I try to be more modest, but I can
always ramp up production.

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 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a
 handlful actively participate.

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Re: [RBW] ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-28 Thread Peter Morgano
You just missed one on ebay, the small Nigel Smythe version, went for about
100 bucks though so a bit over what I would consider a deal.


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 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed
 bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer
 using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

2013-04-28 Thread Mike
Thanks for posting the pictures. Looks like a great time. 
 
--mike

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:51:49 PM UTC-7, Stephen S wrote:

 Here is a set of the pics that I took that I actually liked. =) 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/noryia/sets/72157633358589695/

 It was a great trip. Thanks for putting this together Keven! I'd love to 
 see more of these in the future. 

 Stephen

 On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote: 

 Hello All- 
 We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
 Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.

 If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com) 
 to let me know.

  We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one 
 other Riv employee will join us.

 You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to borrow 
 a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.  It's a 
 great opportunity to try out something new!

 The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
 gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.

 Hope you can join us!
 -keven



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Re: [RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread ian connelly
I hope you don't mind me saying this, Patrick M, but I open each digest and 
scan to see what percentage of posts (by number, not volume of text) are yours. 
 Where this is higher than 20 percent, I usually delete and move on. 

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Re: [RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I don't mind at all. I discard well over 75% of list traffic, Bob, RBW and
CR.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM, ian connelly ico...@gmail.com wrote:

 I hope you don't mind me saying this, Patrick M, but I open each digest
 and scan to see what percentage of posts (by number, not volume of text)
 are yours.  Where this is higher than 20 percent, I usually delete and move
 on.

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Re: [RBW] ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-28 Thread hsmitham
Yep saw it. And your right.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:26:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 You just missed one on ebay, the small Nigel Smythe version, went for 
 about 100 bucks though so a bit over what I would consider a deal. 


 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed 
 bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer 
 using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Seth Vidal
I'm with, Steve. Same experience of any mailing list. The only virtue of it
being a google group is that it is easier to search, imo.

-sv



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 14:40 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote:
  I think Google Groups is an issue for some. I found internet-bob and
  the shortlived original Riv List to be more accessible at
  bikelist.org. Google has quirks that are hard to learn, and once you
  learn them, they update to something quirkier. Not fun.

 I access this list by email, same as I did when it was hosted at
 bikelist.org.  Can't say I've seen any of those quirks.



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[RBW] FS: (2) small front bags: Acorn and Zimbale

2013-04-28 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
i have a ranger tan Acorn small front bag for $64 shipped

http://www.acornbags.com/smhdlbarbag.html

i also have a green 2 liter Zimbale bag available for $48 shipped. 

http://zimbale.com/Front/Product/?url=Productproduct_no=01ZIMSOT012main_cate_no=AA00display_group=1

both bags in great shape

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

How to Sleep Like a Rock
Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/517dab4afb412b49386cst01duc

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[RBW] Re: First Rivendell Siting in the Wild

2013-04-28 Thread Leslie
If I lived in SF, or some civilized metropolis, I would expect to come across 
Rivendells with some regularity; here in East Tennessee/ southwestern Virginia, 
I wouldn't have expected such; saved from that because Steve and Bobby at MSL 
became Riv dealers

Here in Kingsport, I've only only seen one other, a Quickbeam, but I did have 
an retired gentleman intercept me one day to ask about my Ram, recognizing one 
of Grant Petersen's designs.   In Bristol, I've seen a couple of Hilsens, and 
a Sam or two.   Over in Abingdon, on the Creeper Trail, I've met another Ram.  
Only Atlantis I've seen is Steve's, and only one Roadeo at MSL; my Bombadil is 
the only one close by of which I'm aware.

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[RBW] Re: April Overnighter

2013-04-28 Thread hsmitham
Robert,

Great photo-log. Your framing is spot on and I felt as though 
I traveled right along side just with out the pedal effort.:-) I love the 
PNW and it's difficult to make it up there so when I see it through your 
experience it just well satisfies. Thanks for the post and keep em coming 
I'll follow. Now I need to look at your blog.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:19:11 PM UTC-7, SpiralCage wrote:

 As alluded to in my recent post w/r/t my Quickbeam I took an overnight 
 bicycle camping trip during several very nice days here in the PNW.  My 
 writeup of said trip can be found here: 
 http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/?p=3193 

 and a bunch of photos can be found here: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157633364747944/ 

 cheers, 
 Robert

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Jeremy Till
I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all 
around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but 
relatively few of us are on here.  I don't necessarily find it surprising 
though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the 
inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it.  
Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they 
compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and 
interesting to me.  Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but 
a lot of it.  


On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.


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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Eric Peterson
As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain components.
One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked great 
for me.
Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions that 
have less functionality.
So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing an 
item and making it unavailable.
I guess that is progress.

I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8 is 
always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check back.

Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel Works?

Thanks,
Eric Peterson 

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote: 
  Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for 
  recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track 
  mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try. 
  
  
  The criteria: 
  
  
  1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read. 
  2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude 
  or anything complicated. 
  3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? 
  I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious). 
  4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this 
  for $30 or so? 

 Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20. 
 I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance 
 1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean 
 the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time. 

 The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless 
 computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too. 






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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 18:22 -0700, Eric Peterson wrote:
 As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain
 components.
 One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked
 great for me.
 Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions
 that have less functionality.
 So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing
 an item and making it unavailable.
 I guess that is progress.
 
 
 I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8
 is always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check
 back.
 
 
 Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel
 Works?
 

No, just found it on a google search.

If the Mity 8's no longer available, I'd suggest the Strada Wireless as
an alternative. 



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Re: [RBW] April Overnighter

2013-04-28 Thread Michael Williams
Nice write up Robert!Enjoyed the photos immensely.   -Mike


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Kirkpatrick
spiralc...@gmail.comwrote:

 As alluded to in my recent post w/r/t my Quickbeam I took an overnight
 bicycle camping trip during several very nice days here in the PNW.  My
 writeup of said trip can be found here:
 http://www.spiralcage.com/rootless/?p=3193

 and a bunch of photos can be found here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/35237104136@N01/sets/72157633364747944/

 cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread john
Eric, Steve:

Thanks for suggesting the MItty8. I went to Wheel Works, as Steve directed, 
and found it was unavailable at this time.  I'll look into the Strada, 
but have reservations about going wireless. What's the difference in 
battery life (wireless vs. wired)? Also: What's the verdict on the Cateye 7 
or 8? Thanks.

John

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:22:47 PM UTC-7, Eric Peterson wrote:

 As I have a number of bikes, I have standardized on certain components.
 One of which was the Cateye wired cyclocomputers - they have worked great 
 for me.
 Now Cateye has dropped all those models and replaced them new versions 
 that have less functionality.
 So Cateye is acting just like Microsoft and Shimano, and discontinuing an 
 item and making it unavailable.
 I guess that is progress.

 I have checked Wheel Works a number of times, but the the Cateye Mity8 is 
 always Sorry, this item is currently not available. Please check back.

 Were you able to make a purchase recently of this product from Wheel Works?

 Thanks,
 Eric Peterson 

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:46:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:13 -0700, john wrote: 
  Hi all. Thought I'd ask all of you who use computers for 
  recomendations. I've been on the fence about using a computer to track 
  mileage for some time now, but I believe I'd like to try. 
  
  
  The criteria: 
  
  
  1. It has to be very simple to operate and easy to read. 
  2. I don't need or want heart rate monitor or anything like altitude 
  or anything complicated. 
  3. I'm just interested in tracking mileage (how far was my ride today? 
  I seldom know - which is not always a bad thing, but I get curious). 
  4. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I'm thinking I can do this 
  for $30 or so? 

 Wheel World has the Cateye Mity 8 (wired) available on closeout for $20. 
 I've got a bunch of them.  Functions I use: odometer, average, distance 
 1 (current ride), distance 2 (which I use to track when to next clean 
 the chain), elapsed time.  I ignore max speed and time. 

 The Strada Wireless has the same functions in a simple, small wireless 
 computer but it's around $45.  I've got one of these, too. 






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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Michael


 I like mileage and temperature to be features on my cyclometer.
 That way I can see how much temp extremes I can take for reference.
 Good to know so you don't psych yourself outta a ride just because you 
 heard its gonna be 105 and humid tomorrow for your metric century.
 If you have already ridden that hot several times, and you know so by past 
 cyclometer readings, then you will be confident and not hand wringing the 
 night before.


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[RBW] Bombadil

2013-04-28 Thread Kelly
Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   Wheel 
built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
together.. Grrr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

Kelly



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[RBW] Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-28 Thread Michael
Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
*I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
how you got through it.*
 
Here is what I mean:
I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
extreme.
Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
appointments, too.
 
Now:
Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
the next day.
No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
of the bikes.
I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
 
*I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle height 
for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
goes.
 
Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Michael


 Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining. This is a valuable resource with 
 quality posts and info, and as I have said before, *the* most pleasant 
 bike forum I have *ever* seen. It is a pleasure to read and chat here.
 I like the low traffic, too. Adds to the laid back air.

 

 I was just thinking that with the few online Riv-specific resources that 
 there are, owners aren't flooding in here just because it is one of the few 
 to be had for them.
 Sure, people have lives (not that we don't).
 Maybe some don't have the time or the interest.

Maybe some buy Riv's but just see them as any other bike to be bought and 
 ridden and they are not that into cycling.
 Maybe there is something about the typical Riv owner that makes them less 
 into using the net.
 Maybe they are all out on long cycling tours!!
  

Curious business. 

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Joe K
Longtime Riv custom owner here.  I bike all the time, mostly to get about, 
sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends.  I really enjoy 
reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to 
answer questions.  I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the 
more complex things.  I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer. 
In sum, I am grateful for this site.

Joe K

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all 
 around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but 
 relatively few of us are on here.  I don't necessarily find it surprising 
 though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the 
 inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it.  
 Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they 
 compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and 
 interesting to me.  Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but 
 a lot of it.  


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the 
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum for 
 some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only a 
 handlful actively participate.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread cyclotourist
Bike shimmy.

Cheers,
David



On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote:

 Longtime Riv custom owner here.  I bike all the time, mostly to get about,
 sometimes for the fun of a longer ride with friends.  I really enjoy
 reading the erudite comments of the posters here, and their willingness to
 answer questions.  I do basic bike maintenance but am not handy with the
 more complex things.  I feel I would comment more if I had more to offer.
 In sum, I am grateful for this site.

 Joe K


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:15:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I've noted the same thing- I meet a fair amount of people with Rivs all
 around the bay area, especially coming through the shop where I work, but
 relatively few of us are on here.  I don't necessarily find it surprising
 though, some people are simply content to own something and don't have the
 inclination to spend a lot of time seeking out information relevant to it.
 Me, I love tinkering with my bikes, changing things, and learning how they
 compare to other bikes, so a lot of the information on here is useful and
 interesting to me.  Not all of it (I skip over most of the diet stuff), but
 a lot of it.


 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:30:12 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Curious, especially since it is such a niche market in the scope of the
 modern bike scene in the US.
 You would think that customers would be interested in finding a forum
 for some fun chatting on these bikes.
 I know there are like 3k members on here I think I read, but seems only
 a handlful actively participate.

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[RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv owners 
don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care what Riv 
models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or not, a few 
Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in being part of 
anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a Riv because it 
looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back story or the nitty 
gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult.

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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Mike Schiller
Google Maps does have a bicycle button that finds the best cycling route. 
It works pretty  good.

~mike

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:53:34 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 My favorite is my actual PC !!  Yes, if/when I wish to know how far I 
 rode, I just go to google maps. I have my home destination coordinates as 
 the start page, then I simply click to add destination points as needed, 
 as a simple point A to B often chooses the fastest route for cars, not 
 necessarily the one I chose. 


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[RBW] Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-28 Thread Kelly
You are on the right track getting the contact points the same as your current 
road bike.   

I recently went through lower back pain and it was just having the seat to far 
back on the rails.  I put a lugged seat post on that moved it back 
considerably.  No back pain on today's ride..knee pain either.

So set your contact points and seat in relation to pedal spindle.   

I don't for real high maybe 1/2 inch over to equal saddle heights.  

Good luck

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: ISO Small handle bar bag

2013-04-28 Thread dougP
Hugh:

If you plan to continue with a saddlebag  just want the front one for 
phone, keys, camera, etc, the bar tubes are great.  They fit any bike, hold 
a decent amount (but not a sandwich)  don't need any special rack or 
support.  I have one that I take whenever I travel  rent a bike.  Does 
Rivendell still carry the Brand V?  It's nicely done  IIRC a decent 
price.  

dougP

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:02:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 I've been in search of a small handle bar bag like the Nigel Smythe tweed 
 bag or the baggins one from time past.If you have one you're no longer 
 using contact me off list.Thanks in advance.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Helmut Wong
On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take 
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) 


Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I 
understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and 
there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the 
conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and 
all people -- of Chinese origin.

Thanks,
H.

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[RBW] Re: Question for modern geometry race bike only riders who later went to Rivendells.

2013-04-28 Thread hsmitham
Hi Michael,

That seems strange. I am 52 and have had the reverse experience. On my race 
bike I rode with similar contact points as you are describing on your race 
bike, and had neck and back pain consistently. When I changed to the Riv 
with handle bar's considerably higher in relation to my seat no more pain. 
As I see it everything is connected seat fore/aft height ect... you just 
need to be patient and make micro changes. I've had mostly leg pain as I've 
worked on dialing my contact points in. I've heard leg length discrepancies 
can cause hip and back pain. I'm no expert on such things I hope you 
resolve your issues.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA 

 Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
 my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
 *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
 bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
 how you got through it.*
  
 Here is what I mean:
 I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
 about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
 extreme.
 Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
 sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
 fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
 appointments, too.
  
 Now:
 Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
 They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
 I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
 the next day.
 No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
 of the bikes.
 I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
 getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
 my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
 neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
 anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
  
 *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
 just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
 height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
 fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
 I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
 goes.
  
 Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
  
  
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[RBW] Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread Philip Williamson
It's normal, having a forum where 1% of the people do 90% of the talking. 90% 
lurk, 10% participate, 1% participate daily. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

If you want to see a change, post more questions, or chime in with expertise. I 
would bet a small amount of prestige that some old silverbacks would step back 
to make room, and the proportions would stay the same. If someone wants a 
doctoral thesis, they could graph this group's participation as an example of 
the rule. Master's thesis, maybe. For a Doctorate, you'd need to find an 
anomalous group, and explain what makes it unique and how to replicate it...

My $.01,
Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread dougP
To us on the list, these facts are surprising.  But true.  There is another 
guy in town that also owns an Atlantis,  I run into him maybe once a 
year.  The first time I stopped him, I was expecting a degree of 
friendliness based on common ownership of a steel bike in a carbonic 
world.  He didn't seem to think it interesting that 2 guys in the same town 
would have the same niche bike.  When we see each other, he'll chat for a 
moment but then must be going.  I've mentioned our So Cal Riv group but 
he has no interest.  His bike always has panniers  he told me he has no 
car, so that's his wheels.  But as to any association with other Riv 
owners, he seems baffled by the idea.  And he's probably not alone.

dougP  

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:58:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv 
 owners don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care 
 what Riv models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or 
 not, a few Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in 
 being part of anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a 
 Riv because it looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back 
 story or the nitty gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread Stephen S
agreed

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:46:02 PM UTC-7, Helmut Wong wrote:

 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:07:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 +1 for Cyclemeter. One POCES (piece of Chinese electric shite) to take 
 care, not only of the data for four (4) (IV) 


 Please be sensitive to using the term Chinese in a pejorative manner. I 
 understand that the country exports a lot of consumer goods worldwide, and 
 there are many criticisms of their labor practices; but it's easy for the 
 conversation to devolve into a blanket condemnation of all things -- and 
 all people -- of Chinese origin.

 Thanks,
 H.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too many people actively posting on this site for such a big amount of Rivs released to the wild over the years.

2013-04-28 Thread René Sterental
It is what it is... And it's pretty good!


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On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 To us on the list, these facts are surprising.  But true.  There is another 
 guy in town that also owns an Atlantis,  I run into him maybe once a 
 year.  The first time I stopped him, I was expecting a degree of 
 friendliness based on common ownership of a steel bike in a carbonic 
 world.  He didn't seem to think it interesting that 2 guys in the same town 
 would have the same niche bike.  When we see each other, he'll chat for a 
 moment but then must be going.  I've mentioned our So Cal Riv group but 
 he has no interest.  His bike always has panniers  he told me he has no 
 car, so that's his wheels.  But as to any association with other Riv 
 owners, he seems baffled by the idea.  And he's probably not alone.
 dougP  
 On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:58:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Based on my experience, the RBW universe is pretty diverse. Some Riv 
 owners don't know or care who Grant Petersen is. Many don't know or care 
 what Riv models exist in addition to whichever one they own. Believe it or 
 not, a few Riv owners have no interest in meeting other Riv owners or in 
 being part of anything that resembles an owners' club. Some just bought a 
 Riv because it looked nice, and didn't spend any time delving into the back 
 story or the nitty gritty enough to know there's an actual Riv cult.
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

2013-04-28 Thread Tony
Mmm, chocolate.

Nice Kelly!

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:00:30 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:

 Well it's back from paint.   I forgot to order a bottom bracket sheesh.   
 Wheel built, racks, cockpit and saddle still good.
 Had I remembered the bottom bracket or headset it could be on its way back 
 together.. Grrr

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8688893925/in/photostream/lightbox/

 Had a nice ride today on the Ahh today instead of working on e other bike.

 Kelly



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