Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow
Hey All, Oooops, i now see the pics. The angles look right, along with the long stays. Some of the parts are right, but some aren't quite the same as came on my 84s. And I don't remember the sport coming in that blue. I think the build kit says yours is an 86 Stumpjumper (non-sport). So yours would be a step up from a sport. That's a very nice bike. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow
Hey David, If you are takling to me then I'm sure I can tell if your bike is a sport. They were unique and are easy to identify. Send me pics. Otherwise, please ignore everything I just said. Chris Redding, Ca. On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-8, David Hays wrote: Hi Chris, Can you tell if my friend’s Stumpjumper is a Sport? Just wondered is I picked it up I could set up like some on road/off road Atlantics I see? Thanks David Kenmore, New York On Jan 9, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Chris in Redding, Ca. campr...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hey All, I bought an 84 Stumpy Sport new back then. I rode it for over twenty years before I killed it. I then bought a rough 84 Stumpy Sport off the local CL for $50 and ride it daily. I won't argue about the ride except to say that I have always really liked it. I can say for certain that they are extraordinarily durable, ride easy, and have an odd ability to ride nicely both laden and unladen. No other bike has done that last one for me. This is why I am so interested in some of the more recent RBW framesets. I also have an early 90's steel Rockhopper hard tail that I like for different reasons. They are very different bikes. Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: first ride of the year
Enjoy! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Surly LHT vs vintage MTB
Ordered the 26 LHT in a 58cm frame before they were even out. Wanted a modern bike that somewhat duplicated the mid 80's Stumpjumpers I used to own. It is a competent bike, but like others have mentioned, it's not the most inspiring ride. Especially into a headwind. For some reason, it has never inspired me. Have had 4 or 5 different cockpit setups and may once again switch the bike over this winter. If I don't sell it and buy a fat bike. How does it compare to the old stuff? Generally agree with the others, you will notice a higher bottom bracket on an older mountain bike. And the really slack angles. I used to enjoy riding mine as a commuting bike and all-rounder. But it was not that good on things like single track. And today's trails would be even more of a challenge, IMO. The other thing I would argue is, unless you get lucky the LHT will probably have components that will last longer. Just because they are newer. Of course, like everything that would depend on whether the LHT is new or modified and what type of parts are hanging on the older mountain bike. Also, a lot of the lower level mountain bikes from the mid to late 1980's had high tensile steel in part, if not all of the frame. This is not in and of itself that bad, but something to consider in the price. My first mountain bike was a 1984 Ross Mt. Hood and the entire bike was hi-ten although it was labeled cro-moly at the time. (This was the black bike, not the chrome version.) Even a ca. 1990 Specialized Hardrock only had a cro-moly main triangle. Oh, and to pile on what Doug just said - I live not too far from the ACA northern tier route. Each year usually see a number of bikes that are heading across the country. The most common might be the LHT. Followed by older mountain bikes. Not scientific, just my observation. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:29 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Chris: All-rounder covers a lot of sins. I consider my Atlantis an all rounder because it's my daily ride, goes off road well enough for my purposes (like you, no single track gnarly MTBing) and I can toss 40 lbs of junk on it (and another 10 psi in the tires) and take off on tour. But there's a ton of bikes that'll do all that quite competently. The LHT is a known quantity that should be a competent all rounder. As to the differences between a pre-sus MTB and the LHT, I can offer my experience with my Atlantis '90 Fisher HK-II. The two most noticeable differences in handling come from the higher BB on the Fisher and the shorter chainstays. The Atlantis is more comfortable, stable, predicable, etc., BUT one needs to keep in mind it's easier to strike a pedal off-road. The higher BB on the MTB translates into more responsive handling with more ground clearance; desireable qualities off-road. OTH, the longer chainstays on the Atlantis mean far less fussing around when mounting panniers. I've used a rear rack with panniers on the Fisher, and the bags definitely get shoved as far back as possible for foot clearance (size 11 feet, not an unusual size). The Fisher is clearly a stiffer ride, as one would expect from a bike designed to bounce down Mt Tam, etc. With 2 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires, it still has gobs of clearance. There are a fair number of braze-ons I've had front low riders on as well as a rear rack. Recently I discovered it has an odd-ball headset size (1-1/4) so replacement parts may be a future issue. It's TIG welded steel, with no tubing stickers, and cost around $500 when I bought it in 1990. It has decent parts but I'm certain there were a gazillion similar bikes produced at the time. As a counterpoint, one of my touring buds has a late 90s rigid fork Stumpjumper that he has used for touring all over the world. He's not much for off-roading but declares the bike perfectly adequate for daily riding and fully loaded touring. He tours frequently with a couple that both have LHTs love'em dearly. If you don't plan on a lot of load carrying (but somehow that sneaks up on you when it can be done) you might compare the Cross Check to the LHT. Of course, right now the coolest all rounder is the Sam Hillborne.used ones come up for sale here from time to time. Food for thought. dougP On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 7:44:05 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on positives or negatives associated with choosing a 26 LHT versus a 90's MTB, like a Stumpjumper or Rockhopper? I'm familiar with the geometry differences between the two and I will be using modern components (except for stem if I go vintage) so I'm interested in things like ride quality, the impact of the tubing used in each, etc This will be an all-rounder bike that is primarily ridden on pavement with the option to ride on packed dirt, gravel and even double track. I have no interest in single-track or mountain biking as it currently exists. Riv
[RBW] first ride of the year
I'm sitting on BART towards the City, for the SFRandonneurs first populaire of 2015. It will also be my first ride of any significant distance for the year. Slow and easy will have to get it done. Any other listers heading that way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] first ride of the year
I'm sitting on BART towards the City, for the SFRandonneurs first populaire of 2015. It will also be my first ride of any significant distance for the year. Slow and easy will have to get it done. Any other listers heading that way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis - East Bay
Unbelievable effort. Someone had really scoped out the site, and must have had serious cutting equipment. I've written down the serial numbers on our bikes. That would help ID them in case the thieves are caught and the bike has gotten a cosmetic make-over. Also recall Rivendell is maintaining a serial number list. dougP On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 10:48:35 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, just saw this: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4838834529.html -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis - East Bay
Please encourage everyone you know to register their bikes on Bike Index: https://bikeindex.org/ The more bikes on there, the more police departments will know about it, the better chance at catching criminals and retrieving bikes! On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Unbelievable effort. Someone had really scoped out the site, and must have had serious cutting equipment. I've written down the serial numbers on our bikes. That would help ID them in case the thieves are caught and the bike has gotten a cosmetic make-over. Also recall Rivendell is maintaining a serial number list. dougP On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 10:48:35 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, just saw this: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4838834529.html -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New to me Quickbeam
Il n'y a pas de couleur, mais vert. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com Twitter @CampyOnlyGuy Blog: CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Welcome to the QB club! I'd bet some of that unexpected speed is the result of not shifting. I've learned a LOT about not shifting riding my QB and it translates beautifully to riding my Hunqapillar. Plus, silver. No color faster! Grin. With abandon, Patrick (ducking now, to avoid the old bike parts tossed at me by orange and green QBers) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :) https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/ On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Very interested to see the progress on this! And it looks like a business pilot. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
Oh yeah I ate lots of cauliflower. Lots of it. :) On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: If you're six days in you deserve a pat on the back because you probably hurt a bit. I did a tour and started out keeping to a low carb rule and I was averaging 70mi/day for the first week or so. I broke down near the end when I couldn't resist small town milkshakes, but I definitely felt strong. That said, I had been eating low carb for a few months by that point so the paleo flu had already passed. Hard cheese and salamis were my food when I was on the road. No refrigeration needed for a few days. Breakfasts were eggs and bacon; Dinners were pork chops and any sorts of vegetables I could find. Lunches were usually hamburgers without the bun, plus a salad. cc On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:42 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I'm curious what low carbers do for long rides? I rode 100k today on my sixth day of eating like Grant. Id be happy to exchange ideas off list to keep this thread from getting crazy. On-list could be lively too. I'm especially interested to hear from you, Patrick (you've probably mentioned a ketogenic diet more than most, and I also always like what you have to say) but definitely would like to hear others' experience too. The more the merrier. You can get me at: tim.ki...@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] New to me Quickbeam
Bought this 54cm Silver QB off a fellow RBW member last month and finally got it built up and took on my first test ride. Build: Stock wheelset 22t fixed 16/19 white industries freewheel 32/40 Sugino crank Jitensha bars Panracer 37 tires (though have my eye on some cyclocross tires). First ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/239282838/segments/5630088831 I can't praise this bike enough. My actual road bike is definitely going to take a back seat for a while. This is a ride I do all the time, and I beat all of my times going up on my road bike, wife's carbon bike, and mtn bike (not that I was necessarily trying to, but was very surprised to see on the strava feed after). I think this can be attributed to 1. I just worked out and was warmed up and ready to ride and 2. New Bike syndrome - wanted to prove myself, did the same thing on my first hunqapillar ride. Road 32x19 on the way up, switched to 40 x 16 for the way down and flats. Couldn't be happier with either of the gearing choices. Easily my new favorite bike alongside the Hunqapillar. Man I love Rivendell bikes. Also, in case anyones needs a cheap bar plug for 22.2 bars, the cork and plastic caps for Bulleit Bourbon bottles work great, not super snug but snug enough, and if they fall out it just means you get to buy more bourbon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
I'm curious what low carbers do for long rides? I rode 100k today on my sixth day of eating like Grant. Id be happy to exchange ideas off list to keep this thread from getting crazy. On-list could be lively too. I'm especially interested to hear from you, Patrick (you've probably mentioned a ketogenic diet more than most, and I also always like what you have to say) but definitely would like to hear others' experience too. The more the merrier. You can get me at: tim.ki...@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
If you're six days in you deserve a pat on the back because you probably hurt a bit. I did a tour and started out keeping to a low carb rule and I was averaging 70mi/day for the first week or so. I broke down near the end when I couldn't resist small town milkshakes, but I definitely felt strong. That said, I had been eating low carb for a few months by that point so the paleo flu had already passed. Hard cheese and salamis were my food when I was on the road. No refrigeration needed for a few days. Breakfasts were eggs and bacon; Dinners were pork chops and any sorts of vegetables I could find. Lunches were usually hamburgers without the bun, plus a salad. cc On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:42 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I'm curious what low carbers do for long rides? I rode 100k today on my sixth day of eating like Grant. Id be happy to exchange ideas off list to keep this thread from getting crazy. On-list could be lively too. I'm especially interested to hear from you, Patrick (you've probably mentioned a ketogenic diet more than most, and I also always like what you have to say) but definitely would like to hear others' experience too. The more the merrier. You can get me at: tim.ki...@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
Chris that looks awesome! I'll be interested in what you think of the fire xc tires! On Jan 10, 2015 4:31 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: So my winter project just needs bar tape and probably fenders :) https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16062359839/ On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Very interested to see the progress on this! And it looks like a business pilot. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/TrrGDz-afZA/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?
Thanks for the great report and photos, Mark! Your post inspired me to get out there and go for a ride in the freshly fallen snow here in New Jersey this afternoon. I was mostly warm and toasty bundled up in several layers of wool, but my toes were uncomfortably cold after only an hour in the 22 degree (above zero, not below) weather; I can't imagine being out in -40 temps! I'd like to know how you dressed for your adventure. By the way, there was a good post a few weeks ago in Lovely Bicycle! regarding the effect humidity has on how cold one feels: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2014/12/winters-chill-brings-warmer-cold.html Bob E. On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote Get out there! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?
Very interested to see the progress on this! And it looks like a business pilot. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: tektro CR720 cantis, Stainless Front Rack, SR Sakae Randnner handlebars
handlebars are gone. brakes and rack are still here On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:30:21 PM UTC-8, drew beckmeyer wrote: *-Tektro CR720 cantilevers. - * 40$ shipped 2 pairs (bike's worth) basically brand new. maybe 25 miles on them. silver finish *-LKLM stainless steel front rack-* 85$ shipped impulsively pulled the trigger on this front rack from chinese touring brand lklm. someone on crazyguyonabike was impressed by them, and it wasn't super pricey, so i took a chance. stainless tubular cr-mo (very similar to tubus). 55lb capacity. fits 700c bikes. i really wanted this to work, as i was also impressed when i received it. the LBS was also super into it too. the design seems somewhat unique and to solve some of the problems of integrating lowriders and a flat top area. unfortunately, with 50mm tires on my hunqapillar, it didnt comfortably leave enough room for fenders. requires mid-fork eyelets. here are some photos. i can send you some of my own, if youre interested. http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/pic/?o=Shpic_id=1876748size=large http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mgxj4LqnLcPWdyfeUth_1DQ.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MnkG9NMP-Xk/U_K9AaJ3IgI/Cfg/GO7fm3Z_plI/s1600/p1.jpg *Vintage Sakae RANDNNER bars-* 18$ shipped i have 2 of these that came off of miyata 1000s circa '85. just want them gone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New to me Quickbeam
Welcome to the QB club! I'd bet some of that unexpected speed is the result of not shifting. I've learned a LOT about not shifting riding my QB and it translates beautifully to riding my Hunqapillar. Plus, silver. No color faster! Grin. With abandon, Patrick (ducking now, to avoid the old bike parts tossed at me by orange and green QBers) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter Welcome Wagon [Share Your Pics]
My annual sacrifice to the icy, salty Eastern Massachusetts winter: a 1987 GT Karakoram rigid frame mtb running studded Nokian W240 26 x 1.75 tires. Good, cold fun. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_l4l2XBvUIw/VLF7uz0oOoI/VZs/aCQscb3uqCI/s800/20150110_132432.jpg rod On Monday, December 1, 2014 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Share some pic's of your bikes kitted out for winter! Here is my XO-3 (26 wheeled) as ready as I can make her. http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2014/12/winter-welcome-wagon.html '93 XO-3, 59cm Single Speed via WI ENO Hub Nokian MG 26x1.95 Studded Tires Alba cockpit w/ Paul levers Lot's of orphaned parts from around the garage https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UJCWoVSEL_A/VH0cbnpAoMI/F8w/5LtESBFV9oE/s1600/RAD_6142.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Tkq-xwKU4sk/VH0caoJggQI/F8U/OFWtXN3Ivu0/s1600/RAD_6133.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gg0a1CFc9e0/VH0bi5EGcTI/F78/t-uwHX6jVJs/s1600/RAD_6128.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
I struggle with cramps on brevets, no matter what I'm eating. I think it is electrolyte related. Electrolyte tablets help but as heavily as I sweat, I need to take in quite a bit of sodium to keep up. At least, I think that's the case. Patrick, you mean you don't eat the entire day, unless it's a multi day ride, or you don't eat during the 10-12 hours you are riding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
I don't take food with me on the ride and don't eat. I have an emergency jar of coconut oil for if something unexpected happens. I often don't eat breakfast, so I ride fasted from the start, then eat when I get home. I generally eat one or two meals a day, so often have 24 hour fasts. Bill, someone who isn't yet fat adapted but is eating low carb could easily bonk because it takes the body a while to get efficient with glucose. Once adapted, that is not an issue. I have not had any issues with cramping since eating this way. I drink a lot less water (storing and processing carbs takes a lot of water, burning fat for fuel creates water as a by-product, so less need to drink in more). From the little I know, the cause of cramps remains a mystery, so at this point everyone with cramps is an n=1 experiment as to what works for them. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 5:10:20 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: I struggle with cramps on brevets, no matter what I'm eating. I think it is electrolyte related. Electrolyte tablets help but as heavily as I sweat, I need to take in quite a bit of sodium to keep up. At least, I think that's the case. Patrick, you mean you don't eat the entire day, unless it's a multi day ride, or you don't eat during the 10-12 hours you are riding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Dirty Kanza
Tim, Is your brother-in-law named Paul? He was one of the guys I rode with and seem to remember him telling me he had a bro-in-law with a Rodeo. I think you would be undertired and maybe underbiked with your combo. I'm not sure how capable the Roadeo is, but it is probably better than a lot of the carbon cross bikes I saw last year. I have the Stampede Pass Extralights on my Bridgestone RB-T and would be afraid of those paper thin sidewalls getting slashed. I'd also want a tire with a little more volume for comfort over the 100 miles of rough roads. Maybe a Jack Brown Blue (tougher version) or a 33-35 cross tire with some puncture protection would fit the Roadeo. I used the 650b x 41 Force Field Fatty Rumpkins last year because I was paranoid of getting flats after hearing all the stories of the flint shredding tires. I did see probably 15 riders flat in the 26 miles I road. Tire selection is a hot topic for the DK. I will probably ride with the Rumpkins again, but I'm tempted to try the new 650b BG Rock n Roads or Soma Cazaderos. Tony here on the list unlike me actually road the entire course so may e he'll chime in. The terrain varies from smooth crushed gravel to fist size rocks and washouts on the unmaintained roads and I know there is at least one creek crossing in the Half Pint. There was also a little mud last year that I had some trouble in. Hope you decide to do it! It would be great to see another Rivendell getting down and dirty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] first ride of the year
Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sitting on BART towards the City, for the SFRandonneurs first populaire of 2015. It will also be my first ride of any significant distance for the year. Slow and easy will have to get it done. Any other listers heading that way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?
On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin. Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool sock and a mesh shoe. Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a pretty tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're right -- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your advice, but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these temps! Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels. I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is fun! Regards, Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
ive never bonked, i dont think. ive done plenty of rides that i didnt have the legs for, but i dont think ive ever bonked. i did have a moderate problem today, and that was some cramping. ive had some minor leg cramps during the last week or two, and googled it, and it seems like that is kind of common with low carb diets. you deplete glycogen and water and electrolytes and might have cramping problems. i hit the electrolyte tablets pretty hard and controlled it, but i have some adjustments to make, it seems -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Dirty Kanza
Haha, small world! I met Paul through our riding group sponsored by Velo+ in Lenexa. I've ridden a little gravel with the Nifty Swiftys which I believe are just the 650b version of the JB's. As expected they rolled faster but we're noticeably rougher riding than the Rumpkins. I was running them at the minimum pressure listed on the sidewall. They did measure wider than advertised at 34.5 on synergy rims. If you can fit 35mm tires on the Roadeo, ride light, and pick your lines well, I think the Roadeo will do great. Your Hilsen would be even better, IMHO. The reason I was considering my Bombadil this year is because it doesn't weigh much more than my Sam and I can run just about any 650b tire. My Sam was 25ish pounds stripped down and the Bombadil surprised me weighing in at 26.1 pounds on a digital scale. I'm sure your Roadeo is considerably lighter than both of those and that weight really does make a difference on a long haul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
I don't eat unless it is a multi-day ride, and even then sometimes I don't eat. I do 10-12 hours of riding without food. Once you adapt to burning fat instead of sugar, you don't bonk. That adaptation can take a month or two though. Before I was fully adapted, I'd eat academia nuts, butter, things like that. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: I'm curious what low carbers do for long rides? I rode 100k today on my sixth day of eating like Grant. Id be happy to exchange ideas off list to keep this thread from getting crazy. On-list could be lively too. I'm especially interested to hear from you, Patrick (you've probably mentioned a ketogenic diet more than most, and I also always like what you have to say) but definitely would like to hear others' experience too. The more the merrier. You can get me at: tim@yahoo.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: first ride of the year
i saw several Rivendells, including at least 5 Hilsens, a Romulus, a custom, and Annes Roadeo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: first ride of the year
i saw several Rivendells, including at least 5 Hilsens, a Romulus, a custom, and Annes Roadeo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen as 650B cyclocross bike? Maybe, thanks to the new Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads
I measured when they were newish and I think I put the data in the caption of the photos. I can measure again, or I can put the wheelset on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork. If it fits mine, it ought to fit yours. Mine's a Large. On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 4:13:13 PM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote: Bill, Have you measured the Rock Roads? I'm curious how wide they measure after being inflated and ridden a bit. I want to try these on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork, but the GB crown only offers about 52-54mm of clearance, so the max safe tire width is about 43-45mm. Also, is there any humming noise from the knobbies on pavement? Anton On Sunday, January 4, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The tires did great on my wildcat loop. A lot of the recent rain has dried up, so there were only a few true bogs, and most of those had a good line worn through. The really wet gloopy ones with that oily wildcat mud were the pleasant surprise. That wet stuff the tires cleaned really well. There was only one stretch where that wet stuff had dried just enough to be the right peanut butter consistency to pack up the tires. That was right before I hit the road so the first mile or so included my tires shooting little blobs of mud and pebbles back up at me. Anybody who thinks these don't look like good road tires, I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised. they roll really nicely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Bonk?
I know what you mean but Academia Nuts sound incredible! :) On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I don't eat unless it is a multi-day ride, and even then sometimes I don't eat. I do 10-12 hours of riding without food. Once you adapt to burning fat instead of sugar, you don't bonk. That adaptation can take a month or two though. Before I was fully adapted, I'd eat academia nuts, butter, things like that. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:42:04 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: I'm curious what low carbers do for long rides? I rode 100k today on my sixth day of eating like Grant. Id be happy to exchange ideas off list to keep this thread from getting crazy. On-list could be lively too. I'm especially interested to hear from you, Patrick (you've probably mentioned a ketogenic diet more than most, and I also always like what you have to say) but definitely would like to hear others' experience too. The more the merrier. You can get me at: tim@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen as 650B cyclocross bike? Maybe, thanks to the new Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads
Anton, I installed a pair of these this morning. I measure 43mm from the start (I'm using 28mm wide Alesa rims, also I'm lacking digital calipers, so eyeballed with cheapo calipers). I was excited to install these, so I didn't really check them out too much, but I could've sworn I saw a narrow kevlar (?) strip for flat protection in the center. Anyone confirm this? I don't think I saw any info about that on BG's site. For a knobby tire they seem very supple and I'd classify the knob pattern as supple rubber as well, pretty flexible. I tried these out in a snow-filled park and was surprised how well the tires shedded snow. I was sort of expecting the knobs to get packed with snow. On pavement, I couldn't really tell much of a difference from a normal road tire. David Chicago On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 6:13:13 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote: Bill, Have you measured the Rock Roads? I'm curious how wide they measure after being inflated and ridden a bit. I want to try these on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork, but the GB crown only offers about 52-54mm of clearance, so the max safe tire width is about 43-45mm. Also, is there any humming noise from the knobbies on pavement? Anton On Sunday, January 4, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The tires did great on my wildcat loop. A lot of the recent rain has dried up, so there were only a few true bogs, and most of those had a good line worn through. The really wet gloopy ones with that oily wildcat mud were the pleasant surprise. That wet stuff the tires cleaned really well. There was only one stretch where that wet stuff had dried just enough to be the right peanut butter consistency to pack up the tires. That was right before I hit the road so the first mile or so included my tires shooting little blobs of mud and pebbles back up at me. Anybody who thinks these don't look like good road tires, I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised. they roll really nicely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen as 650B cyclocross bike? Maybe, thanks to the new Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads
David I'm pretty sure what you saw as a strip down the middle is just the layers of fabric overlaid on one another. On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 5:32:09 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: Anton, I installed a pair of these this morning. I measure 43mm from the start (I'm using 28mm wide Alesa rims, also I'm lacking digital calipers, so eyeballed with cheapo calipers). I was excited to install these, so I didn't really check them out too much, but I could've sworn I saw a narrow kevlar (?) strip for flat protection in the center. Anyone confirm this? I don't think I saw any info about that on BG's site. For a knobby tire they seem very supple and I'd classify the knob pattern as supple rubber as well, pretty flexible. I tried these out in a snow-filled park and was surprised how well the tires shedded snow. I was sort of expecting the knobs to get packed with snow. On pavement, I couldn't really tell much of a difference from a normal road tire. David Chicago On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 6:13:13 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote: Bill, Have you measured the Rock Roads? I'm curious how wide they measure after being inflated and ridden a bit. I want to try these on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork, but the GB crown only offers about 52-54mm of clearance, so the max safe tire width is about 43-45mm. Also, is there any humming noise from the knobbies on pavement? Anton On Sunday, January 4, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The tires did great on my wildcat loop. A lot of the recent rain has dried up, so there were only a few true bogs, and most of those had a good line worn through. The really wet gloopy ones with that oily wildcat mud were the pleasant surprise. That wet stuff the tires cleaned really well. There was only one stretch where that wet stuff had dried just enough to be the right peanut butter consistency to pack up the tires. That was right before I hit the road so the first mile or so included my tires shooting little blobs of mud and pebbles back up at me. Anybody who thinks these don't look like good road tires, I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised. they roll really nicely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New to me Quickbeam
A mini-moot! On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:31 PM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote: haha, or at least all gather for a mini-entmoot! On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I have a silver 'Beam w/ Jitensha bars and the exact same gearing set up! Awesome, we can start a club!!! Or start an awesome club! On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM, DS davec...@gmail.com wrote: Bought this 54cm Silver QB off a fellow RBW member last month and finally got it built up and took on my first test ride. Build: Stock wheelset 22t fixed 16/19 white industries freewheel 32/40 Sugino crank Jitensha bars Panracer 37 tires (though have my eye on some cyclocross tires). First ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/239282838/segments/ 5630088831 I can't praise this bike enough. My actual road bike is definitely going to take a back seat for a while. This is a ride I do all the time, and I beat all of my times going up on my road bike, wife's carbon bike, and mtn bike (not that I was necessarily trying to, but was very surprised to see on the strava feed after). I think this can be attributed to 1. I just worked out and was warmed up and ready to ride and 2. New Bike syndrome - wanted to prove myself, did the same thing on my first hunqapillar ride. Road 32x19 on the way up, switched to 40 x 16 for the way down and flats. Couldn't be happier with either of the gearing choices. Easily my new favorite bike alongside the Hunqapillar. Man I love Rivendell bikes. Also, in case anyones needs a cheap bar plug for 22.2 bars, the cork and plastic caps for Bulleit Bourbon bottles work great, not super snug but snug enough, and if they fall out it just means you get to buy more bourbon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Favorite weather to ride in.
I rode 100k today in CT. It was 18 degrees at the start and warmed up to 23. The light winds don't feel so light at those temps. The only thing worse than riding in that kind of weather is not riding. So I guess I'll keep doing it, but under protest... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Dirty Kanza
I live in KC but am working in CT. If I can be home that weekend I think I'd like to give it a try. My brother-in-law rode the half pint last year. If I ride it I'll have to do it on the Roadeo. I have Compass Stampede Pass 700x32 on it. Would a different tire be recommended? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?
Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin. Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool sock and a mesh shoe. As for humidity, as the temp drops it holds less moisture, so it is easy to have high relative humidity and little actual effect or moisture. So at extreme cold we have 99% humidity and flakes forming in thin air and no clouds as the moisture squeezes out. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote: Thanks for the great report and photos, Mark! Your post inspired me to get out there and go for a ride in the freshly fallen snow here in New Jersey this afternoon. I was mostly warm and toasty bundled up in several layers of wool, but my toes were uncomfortably cold after only an hour in the 22 degree (above zero, not below) weather; I can't imagine being out in -40 temps! I'd like to know how you dressed for your adventure. By the way, there was a good post a few weeks ago in Lovely Bicycle! regarding the effect humidity has on how cold one feels: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2014/12/winters-chill-brings-warmer-cold.html Bob E. On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote Get out there! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen as 650B cyclocross bike? Maybe, thanks to the new Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads
Bill, Have you measured the Rock Roads? I'm curious how wide they measure after being inflated and ridden a bit. I want to try these on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork, but the GB crown only offers about 52-54mm of clearance, so the max safe tire width is about 43-45mm. Also, is there any humming noise from the knobbies on pavement? Anton On Sunday, January 4, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The tires did great on my wildcat loop. A lot of the recent rain has dried up, so there were only a few true bogs, and most of those had a good line worn through. The really wet gloopy ones with that oily wildcat mud were the pleasant surprise. That wet stuff the tires cleaned really well. There was only one stretch where that wet stuff had dried just enough to be the right peanut butter consistency to pack up the tires. That was right before I hit the road so the first mile or so included my tires shooting little blobs of mud and pebbles back up at me. Anybody who thinks these don't look like good road tires, I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised. they roll really nicely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New to me Quickbeam
I have a silver 'Beam w/ Jitensha bars and the exact same gearing set up! Awesome, we can start a club!!! Or start an awesome club! On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote: Bought this 54cm Silver QB off a fellow RBW member last month and finally got it built up and took on my first test ride. Build: Stock wheelset 22t fixed 16/19 white industries freewheel 32/40 Sugino crank Jitensha bars Panracer 37 tires (though have my eye on some cyclocross tires). First ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/239282838/segments/5630088831 I can't praise this bike enough. My actual road bike is definitely going to take a back seat for a while. This is a ride I do all the time, and I beat all of my times going up on my road bike, wife's carbon bike, and mtn bike (not that I was necessarily trying to, but was very surprised to see on the strava feed after). I think this can be attributed to 1. I just worked out and was warmed up and ready to ride and 2. New Bike syndrome - wanted to prove myself, did the same thing on my first hunqapillar ride. Road 32x19 on the way up, switched to 40 x 16 for the way down and flats. Couldn't be happier with either of the gearing choices. Easily my new favorite bike alongside the Hunqapillar. Man I love Rivendell bikes. Also, in case anyones needs a cheap bar plug for 22.2 bars, the cork and plastic caps for Bulleit Bourbon bottles work great, not super snug but snug enough, and if they fall out it just means you get to buy more bourbon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] first ride of the year
I'm lying on my bed under the covers, savoring today's experience of the Point Reyes Populaire. I saw many Rivs and Riv owners, including Bill. The SF randonneurs put on a darn good ride, complete with post ride picnic. And what a pleasure to be on a ride with people who love steel bikes. On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sitting on BART towards the City, for the SFRandonneurs first populaire of 2015. It will also be my first ride of any significant distance for the year. Slow and easy will have to get it done. Any other listers heading that way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Winter Welcome Wagon [Share Your Pics]
Took a little break from commuting with very cold weather here, but I'll be needing to commute no matter what at least 1 day a week, so I swapped out tires on my porteur build. I have a studded tire'd bike that I'll finish up tomorrow as well. For now, this did just fine: Shogun Single Speed- 68cm BG Rock n Road Tires (did great in the snow and on snow packed streets - let's me save the studded tire'd bike for icy days) Soma Porteur Rack (I prefer front loads for commuting) PB Fenders that have been on about 6 bikes so far and keep on working Pixeo Battery Tail Light Cygolite Headlight I'll be taking some reflective tape to the fenders as well and probably add a second taillight. Pretty much all my commuting times will be in the dark. David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Dirty Kanza
Yep, Paul is my brother-in-law. We try to ride together whenever I'm in town. He's spent the past several months recovering from a badly broken foot. He's riding again though. I don't ride gravel a lot. I occasionally ride some on the Hilsen and I've ridden a little here and there on the Roadeo and I think it would make it ok. It can take 35s without fenders, which I don't have on it anyway. But I've ridden Jack Browns a lot on my Hilsen (in fact I probably have a set laying around, but not the stouter version.) My Hunqapillar is here in CT, but I don't think I'd like to ride it for 100 miles. I've had it 2 1/2 years but I brought it out here right after I built it, and without access to my home shop, I just don't have it dialed in all that well. I'm thinking about taking the Hilsen on the D2R2 this year since it's right up the road in NH. I'm really intrigued by gravel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Dirty Kanza
Tim, IMHO, here is your tire if you have the clearance. http://clementcycling.com/ush -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New to me Quickbeam
haha, or at least all gather for a mini-entmoot! On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 5:07:47 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I have a silver 'Beam w/ Jitensha bars and the exact same gearing set up! Awesome, we can start a club!!! Or start an awesome club! On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM, DS davec...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Bought this 54cm Silver QB off a fellow RBW member last month and finally got it built up and took on my first test ride. Build: Stock wheelset 22t fixed 16/19 white industries freewheel 32/40 Sugino crank Jitensha bars Panracer 37 tires (though have my eye on some cyclocross tires). First ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/239282838/segments/5630088831 I can't praise this bike enough. My actual road bike is definitely going to take a back seat for a while. This is a ride I do all the time, and I beat all of my times going up on my road bike, wife's carbon bike, and mtn bike (not that I was necessarily trying to, but was very surprised to see on the strava feed after). I think this can be attributed to 1. I just worked out and was warmed up and ready to ride and 2. New Bike syndrome - wanted to prove myself, did the same thing on my first hunqapillar ride. Road 32x19 on the way up, switched to 40 x 16 for the way down and flats. Couldn't be happier with either of the gearing choices. Easily my new favorite bike alongside the Hunqapillar. Man I love Rivendell bikes. Also, in case anyones needs a cheap bar plug for 22.2 bars, the cork and plastic caps for Bulleit Bourbon bottles work great, not super snug but snug enough, and if they fall out it just means you get to buy more bourbon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?
Awesome! I feel like a bit of a charlatan as I haven't been able to get much (and we've had some amazing weather I've had to watch through the window) -- so I get to experience things vicariously through you all. So I am selfishly glad my prior stupidity has inspired you. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 8:27:50 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote: On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin. Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool sock and a mesh shoe. Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a pretty tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're right -- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your advice, but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these temps! Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels. I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is fun! Regards, Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis - East Bay
my brother had the brompton stolen out of the trunk of the car he found the guys selling it off craigslist cops couldnt do anything without the serial number -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] first ride of the year
I saw Anne, and Amit. On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 5:22:32 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I'm sitting on BART towards the City, for the SFRandonneurs first populaire of 2015. It will also be my first ride of any significant distance for the year. Slow and easy will have to get it done. Any other listers heading that way? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen as 650B cyclocross bike? Maybe, thanks to the new Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads
FYI, don't forget the shared tyre dimension database: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyYRfhNdFUIbeF1BiQpMyQnhbepy6nxK9DDgd7BhYSk/edit#gid=0 Please enter your findings there!!! :-) On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 5:32 PM, David Banzer daban...@gmail.com wrote: Anton, I installed a pair of these this morning. I measure 43mm from the start (I'm using 28mm wide Alesa rims, also I'm lacking digital calipers, so eyeballed with cheapo calipers). I was excited to install these, so I didn't really check them out too much, but I could've sworn I saw a narrow kevlar (?) strip for flat protection in the center. Anyone confirm this? I don't think I saw any info about that on BG's site. For a knobby tire they seem very supple and I'd classify the knob pattern as supple rubber as well, pretty flexible. I tried these out in a snow-filled park and was surprised how well the tires shedded snow. I was sort of expecting the knobs to get packed with snow. On pavement, I couldn't really tell much of a difference from a normal road tire. David Chicago On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 6:13:13 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote: Bill, Have you measured the Rock Roads? I'm curious how wide they measure after being inflated and ridden a bit. I want to try these on my Stag with Jeff Lyon fork, but the GB crown only offers about 52-54mm of clearance, so the max safe tire width is about 43-45mm. Also, is there any humming noise from the knobbies on pavement? Anton On Sunday, January 4, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The tires did great on my wildcat loop. A lot of the recent rain has dried up, so there were only a few true bogs, and most of those had a good line worn through. The really wet gloopy ones with that oily wildcat mud were the pleasant surprise. That wet stuff the tires cleaned really well. There was only one stretch where that wet stuff had dried just enough to be the right peanut butter consistency to pack up the tires. That was right before I hit the road so the first mile or so included my tires shooting little blobs of mud and pebbles back up at me. Anybody who thinks these don't look like good road tires, I guarantee you will be pleasantly surprised. they roll really nicely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Done
Dude, that's one of the most beautiful bicycles I've ever seen. I'm going to go look at a cheap old Hardrock tomorrow with that color scheme reversed, but if I ever come across a copy of your Stumpy in my size, I'm grabbing it! Joe who loves his Miami Vice neon Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 10:37:27 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: Can't stop staring at the bike. All the different classifications crammed into one. Noodles? Big fenders? Rad knobby tires? I've named it after Taco Cabana, the all night mexican fast food chain that's part of any Austinite's upbringing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16249801071/ https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flumachrome%2F16249801071%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNHVX8fWPgTEaGctK6VI3T8drlHZ9g Cheers! -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Done
Thanks Joe! I'm still trying to find my white Armani sport coat On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Dude, that's one of the most beautiful bicycles I've ever seen. I'm going to go look at a cheap old Hardrock tomorrow with that color scheme reversed, but if I ever come across a copy of your Stumpy in my size, I'm grabbing it! Joe who loves his Miami Vice neon Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 10:37:27 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote: Can't stop staring at the bike. All the different classifications crammed into one. Noodles? Big fenders? Rad knobby tires? I've named it after Taco Cabana, the all night mexican fast food chain that's part of any Austinite's upbringing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16249801071/ https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flumachrome%2F16249801071%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNHVX8fWPgTEaGctK6VI3T8drlHZ9g Cheers! -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Done
Can't stop staring at the bike. All the different classifications crammed into one. Noodles? Big fenders? Rad knobby tires? I've named it after Taco Cabana, the all night mexican fast food chain that's part of any Austinite's upbringing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16249801071/ Cheers! -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
