[RBW] Re: FS: "Biketinkers Union" patches

[Tony DeFilippo]

Ordered a pair, awesome work thank you!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[dstein]

These are fantastic! Someone buy that 53cm roadeo and then sell it to me in 
a few years.

Has anyone seen a 52cm AHH demo? I've never seen a 52 or 54cm at HQ, but 
haven't been to BHH for a long time and not sure if they ever had one. That 
would be the golden ticket for me.

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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Mobile Bill]

well, thanks, and I remain as uncertain as ever. I read that mixes, with 
the three pairs of stays converging at the dropout, are supposed to 
overcome some or more of the torque issues associated with typical 
step-through frames. And Larry drops the trump card on all my fretting ... 
but I still worry I would have overloaded with the big bag, perhaps for the 
reason Michael implied: That one big bag would have been floating on top of 
the rack, rather than hanging off either side. Perhaps it is time to invest 
in a trailer...

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-6, Mobile Bill wrote:
>
> Much to my surprise, my Betty Foy is becoming my most used bike on my 
> commutings and travels about town. Love the Saluki and my 1988 Trek like 
> the first day I got on em, and the Betty Foy sort of became mine by 
> default. But boy, the Betty Foy is convenient for so many reasons that I 
> didn't expect it to be. Maybe it's how easy it is to hop in and around the 
> the mixte frame, maybe it's the Bosco bars I was smart enough to add, maybe 
> it's the simple but effective front double, or the springy B67 saddle, or 
> the fact that I can climb on it without the least regard for what I'm 
> wearing or whether the pants legs will get grease on em, or the fact that 
> it's got capacious baskets all over it. But when I need to get on a bike 
> and get going and move stuff around, two thirds of the time I hop on the 
> Betty.
> Now here's the thing. I do much of my shopping on it. And today, I had 
> the choice of loading up a 36 pound bag of dogfood -- along with beer and 
> food -- or an 18 pound bag. Add 180 pounds or so of previously digested 
> groceries, add this and that, and suddenly poor Betty is carting around 230 
> or more pounds. I pondered what the impact of carrying that much weight 
> would be on a mixte frame, particuarly over a dozen miles of cracked 
> pavement, and without any data, chickened out and loaded up the 18 pound 
> bag. I've loaded it up big before, and the bike felt a little wobbly, but 
> really no more so than the Saluki when heavily loaded.
> Did I unfairly prejudge the mixte frame? Has anyone ever ridden 
> any Rivendell frames to excess?
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[RBW] Re: FS: "Biketinkers Union" patches

[Philip Williamson]

I don't think Etsy does make you create an account. I should try it out, 
though. 

You can check out with PayPal, or contact me off list. I took some cash 
envelopes for the Entmoot patches, and that worked out okay.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Chris King Rear Hub

[Eric Norris]

As I recall, I had to pay shipping to send a Sturmey-Archer-equipped wheel to 
Napa for servicing. Fortunately, the repair involved replacing parts inside the 
hub—the wheel didn’t need to be rebuilt. 

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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> If they're going to do a warranty repair, that's a tacit admission of a 
> defect. Is it common for a company to pay shipping both ways in this 
> situation?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Patrick Kelly]

That black 55cm sam hillborne would be super tempting if I didn't
already have a joe a. on the way. sweet.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> I'll never warm up to the name, but those red and white Roadeos are the bee's 
> pajamas. I'm not saying you should buy it, but I'm not saying you shouldn't 
> ;-)
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[RBW] Re: Wow. California gets mud.

[dstein]

Where are these trails? Walnut Creek?

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[RBW] joe appaloosa photos

[El Sapo]

It looks like the choco bar has more rise and less forward extension than the 
bosco. I gotta go in and ride that thing. Love the mustard color. Thanks for 
the great pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[sameness]

That B-stock 60cm Bleriot with the bum diagastay is forcing me into a stern 
sleep-on-it.

Need for it? Nope. Room for it? Nope. Time for it? Nope. Want for it? Eee-
*yep*.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot SOLD

[Amit Singh]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/24591281576/

On Monday, 25 January 2016 19:34:42 UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Thanks to Amit S for putting me together with a buyer here in Sacramento 
> who will obviously appreciate and enjoy the bicycle.
>
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[RBW] Bleriot SOLD

[Eric Norris]

Thanks to Amit S for putting me together with a buyer here in Sacramento who 
will obviously appreciate and enjoy the bicycle.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Tony DeFilippo]

Alot of great looking bikes, all those Roadeo's and the pair of Hilsens. 
 Some people are going to get great deals, even that 60cm green Cheviot is 
sweet looking.  Good thing I'm fully stocked! :)


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[RBW] Re: Bleriot SOLD

[Amit Singh]

Pictures prove it happened:

https://flic.kr/p/Dt3Kgo

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[RBW] Losing my mind or deleted topic?

[WETH]

I am befuddled.  I thought someone posted in the past week that they were 
looking to buy a well used 56cm Atlantis f/f/hs.   Now I can't find the 
topic/post.  Was it a stand alone topic? Was it a post in another topic? Was it 
deleted? Or did I misread a post?
Of course the answer to my question in the subject could be both! :)
Thanks for any clarification,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[Patrick Kelly]

Hugh,

Well, it is almost "mine" since that's the same size and color that I
ordered. A big reason I wanted to go check it out in person.

When I decided to order one, I knew that the bars would be a question.
But I figured that if it turns out I don't like them, I'll just
replace them. Given the bargain price it seemed like a pretty low risk
thing to me. One thing I definitely do like is that it's possible to
use the forward position on them. I never felt that was really
possible with the bosco bars. The choco bars are more like the
moustache that way, but they use mountain levers which i prefer.

I can't really say much about the "feel" of the bike, and certainly
don't notice anything special with the long chainstays. The thing I
noticed about the "feel" of the bike was how cushy the ride is. But
that's basically all because of the fat, low pressure tires. Maybe
it's partially cuz of the longer wheelbase, but that's impossible to
say without riding side-by-side on a shorter bike with the same tires
at the same pressure.

I did try to do some tight turns and loops to see if I noticed a
smaller turning radius, but wasn't really hampered by the long
wheelbase. Keeping knees out of the way of the bars is more of an
issue than the length. Again, if I had another shorter bike to compare
side by side, perhaps I'd be more sensitive, but it seemed pretty
normal to me.

I'm hoping that the longer chain stays will help with my climbing. On
my current bike (not a riv) when I'm climbing, the front wheel comes
up too much, so I lose my ability to steer from time to time. My
theory/bet is that this will not happen on a joe appaloosa. :)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:20 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
> Sorry, should have read the OP better. Test ride Duh.
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 12:30:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but
>> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
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Re: [RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

[Deacon Patrick]

Great job finding the kid's bike that makes the Islabike price point 
reasonable!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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> Leah et al, I just came across this bike, and thought I would pass the 
> 411 on: http://www.trailcraftcycles.com/products/aluminum-bike 
>
> Price is the only downside on it. 
>
> Kind of a cool story behind it: 
> http://www.trailcraftcycles.com/about-us and looks like they're 
> getting their money out of it: http://www.trailcraftcycles.com/blog 
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
>  wrote: 
> > looks perfect! Tailwinds, shoji 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Awesome! He looks stoked! 
> >> 
> >> (Were I newly in possession of the World's Largest Derailleur, I would 
> be, 
> >> too!) 
> >> 
> >> Jeff "Does That Thing Say 'Evinrude'?" Hagedorn 
> >> Los Angeles, CA USA 
> >> 
> >> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 3:26:10 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> So, how does he look? 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/daytondogg/2454076/in/album-72157661891945032/
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Re: [RBW] Seeking Alejandro

[Steven Sweedler]

Their correct name is Canada Geese, Steve
Palo Verde, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[Jim D Massachusetts]

What were those tires?

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> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but 
> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Alejandro

[Justin Schoop]

Those are Canadian geese. 

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Re: [RBW] After RAGBRAI 2016 - Muscatine to Milwaukee WI

[Tim Gavin]

Bob-

It's nice to hear you're doing RAGBRAI again this year.  We met two years
ago, on my first RAGBRAI (I have a red Riv Road/650b).

I'm not sure what my plan will be for RAGBRAI.  I'm not riding the entire
week, probably just the last 3 days.  If we're riding light, I'll probably
be on my new-to-me Roadeo.  If we're riding loaded, I'll be on my Riv Road.

Last year's route went right by where I live, so we were able to ride from
home and do 4 days.

Your route looks pretty good from Muscatine to Milwaukee.  There are
excellent trails around and through Madison, WI, and it's a lovely town to
visit.

I'll see if my girlfriend or her dad are interested in riding with you.
Your first day from Muscatine to Clinton looks nice.  The Illinois side of
the river would likely have less traffic than the Iowa side, between
Davenport and Clinton.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
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> Aloha all!
>
> Now that that RAGBRAI 2016 route has been announced (
> http://ragbrai.com/2016-overnight-town-map/) I've got the rest of my
> summer ride plans to consider.
>
> I'll be attending my 40th (ouch) high school reunion this summer and I
> convinced the committee to hold it the weekend after RAGBRAI by telling
> them I'd ride from the end of that ride to Shorewood. It's really only
> about 260-300 (short to long depending) and I've got a week to do it so I'm
> not really concerned, but...
>
> I thought I'd ask if anyone has any experience between Muscatine, IA (on
> the Mississippi) and Milwaukee? Shorewood is across the street, literally,
> from Milwaukee.
>
> Also if anyone here lives along the route and wants to come for a day, let
> me know. It's a ways off yet.
>
> Here's a very, very tentative route (I haven't really researched the
> actual roads, this is just Google)...
>
> Monday Muscatine Clinton 71.9
> Tuesday Clinton Freeport 57
> Wednesday Freeport Janesville 56.6
> Thursday Janesville Fort Atkinson 39.5
> Friday Fort Atkinson Shorewood 63.5
> Total 288.5
> Muscatine to Clinton is up the Mississippi so that's in. I also sort of
> want to over night in Fort Atkinson just before the end because I'm hoping
> Bill Camplin (a musician who lives there and runs a music venue) is in
> town. I used to hear him a lot way back when and...well you know how that
> goes.
>
> There's another route that goes through Madison and just adds a few (not
> that many miles) and I'd consider that as well.
>
> Anyway, if anyone has thoughts on this, let me know.
>
> And, if anyone is doing RAGBRAI this year, let's chat!
>
> Aloha,
>
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: Wow. California gets mud.

[Deacon Patrick]

Delicious!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 10:49:03 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> It's been a while. 
> But with marriage and house looking. Bike photos becomes secondary.
>
> Anyways. Breaking news!
> When you get a week of rain, after a 5 year drought in California, the 
> trails won't be dry.
>
>
> Pictures proved that there was mudd and the ride was a sub10 miler:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskpTNyn1
>
>
> Manny " Still alive and kicking" Acosta
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Alejandro

[Deacon Patrick]

Tom,

What a beautiful way to add love to the adventure! May your quest for the 
Fisher King bear fruit!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 10:37:59 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> I was out on a mission today, seeking a homeless man in our "outback", 
> such as it is, here, and ran into this situation.
>

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[RBW] Re: XT Rear hub 135 to 130mm respacing?

[Jeremy Till]

It should also be noted that respacing your hub by removing spacers on the 
non-drive side will require the wheel to be redished to keep the rim 
centered in the frame.  You will be increasing the dish and thus the 
tension differential between drive and non-drive side spokes.  Another 
reason to maybe consult with an LBS with a competent wheel guy/gal, to see 
if they think it's a good idea with your current spoke lengths and tension. 
  

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:26:26 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> I have no experience with respacing hubs and thought I could use some help 
> here.
>
> I bought this wheelset from Rivendell and it came with the XT rear hub. 
> Can I respace these to 130mm? If so how? Can I just pull it with a vice 
>
> I can't tell if the black knurled piece of metal on the non-drive side is 
> a spacer or not :/
>
> If so, do I just pry it out with a vice grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Grab Sack and fanny pack for sale

[Michael Williams]

hello group!   I have a few bags for sale.  All in excellent condition.   
Bought them,  tried them a bit. If youre not crazy about the price,  offer 
somethin fair :)  All prices include shipping!  

1) Sackville Grabsack tan,  almost brand new.- $45

2)Rivendell Mountain Works large hiphugger fanny pack.   Clay/ navy blue.   
Nice, comfy fanny pack with internal pocket. -$35
If you would like a photo or two contact me off list please,   Thanks!   -Mike

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[RBW] cycling shoes

[Bruce Baker]

Has anyone had any experience with these cycling shoes??

http://cycleurdeluxe.com/
Thanks,
Bruce

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Re: [RBW] After RAGBRAI 2016 - Muscatine to Milwaukee WI

[Robert F. Harrison]

I've thinking of switching Janesville with Evansville because it's smaller,
but it'll be somewhere near there. the Fort Atkinson bit is really based on
the fact that as a youth I saw Bill Camplin play a billion times in local
bars and other venues and he and his spouse own a place there. I'm hoping
he's playing the night I go through (and I'm going to email to see if he's
even in town) and if so, may invite my HS buddies out for a evening of it.

I'm fine with gravel - having just done GAP/C last summer. The GAP was
really well maintained but when we went the C was mostly mud and gravel.
We made good time in spite of it so I don't really have concerns riding my
Friday (with 20" Big Apples at the moment).

Planning these things is really a big part of the fun as far as I'm
concerned.

My current plan is to stay in motels along the way, after a week of camping
in Iowa it'll be nice and because I can' rent my tent and such for RAGBRAI
I won't have to carry as much gear. I'll actually be shipping the suitcase
my Friday flies in along with clothes for the reunion from the RAGBRAI
start point to Milwaukee and taking as little as possible with me along the
way. After two previous RAGBRAIS I pretty much know what I need to take and
what I never actually used. I did the GAP/C with only two front bags on
my Friday and still had too much stuff, so light is good.

While I realize my Friday has nothing to do with Riv, it has been to RBW
Headquarters twice. :-)

Aloha!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I concur that the maps Doug suggested (and the trail networks they
> describe) are awesome.
>
> I think your route through Janesville and Fort Atkinson is good; the Peace
> and Ice Age trails connect those towns.  And then the Glacial Drumlin trail
> takes you east into Milwaukee.
>
> The NW IL section (Clinton - Freeport - Janesville) doesn't have any
> trails to use, but I bet those country roads aren't too busy, especially if
> you ride the gravel.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Robert F. Harrison  > wrote:
>
>> Great to hear from you and yes, I remember. I can't wait to see your
>> Rodeo. I'll be on my trusty Friday again - at least that's the plan at the
>> moment.
>>
>> I'll be spending a day in Muscatine when RAGBRAI finsishes so perhaps we
>> can get together for bite on Saturday if you've time before heading back
>> home. Last time around I had to hop on a bus back to Omaha almost as soon
>> as the ride ended.
>>
>> As for Madison, my fondest memory of the place is getting trapped there
>> with some old high school friends in the middle of snow storm after
>> visiting colleges Minneapolis/St. Paul. As we stayed with a guy who'd
>> already graduated and was attending UW Madison and worked at a pizza place
>> that didn't close for the snow we had a great time.
>>
>> I've been told the Illinois side is likely less trafficed before so I'll
>> keep it in mind. I haven't really done much research on the route yet, just
>> a google map of possibles. Doug suggested the WI Bike Federation maps for
>> the WI portion and I'll be getting those soon and it should help me figure
>> out where to enter WI and where to go from there.
>>
>> Most of the WI riding I did was in and around Milwaukee and that was, um,
>> many years ago. I was back about 7 or 8 years but didn't have the
>> opportunity for any cycling.
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Tim Gavin <
>> tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>> It's nice to hear you're doing RAGBRAI again this year.  We met two
>>> years ago, on my first RAGBRAI (I have a red Riv Road/650b).
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what my plan will be for RAGBRAI.  I'm not riding the
>>> entire week, probably just the last 3 days.  If we're riding light, I'll
>>> probably be on my new-to-me Roadeo.  If we're riding loaded, I'll be on my
>>> Riv Road.
>>>
>>> Last year's route went right by where I live, so we were able to ride
>>> from home and do 4 days.
>>>
>>> Your route looks pretty good from Muscatine to Milwaukee.  There are
>>> excellent trails around and through Madison, WI, and it's a lovely town to
>>> visit.
>>>
>>> I'll see if my girlfriend or her dad are interested in riding with you.
>>> Your first day from Muscatine to Clinton looks nice.  The Illinois side of
>>> the river would likely have less traffic than the Iowa side, between
>>> Davenport and Clinton.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison <
>>> rfharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Aloha all!

 Now that that RAGBRAI 2016 route has been announced (
 http://ragbrai.com/2016-overnight-town-map/) I've got the rest of my
 summer ride plans to consider.

 I'll be attending my 40th (ouch) high school reunion this summer and I
 convinced the committee to hold it the weekend after RAGBRAI by telling
 them I'd ride from the end of that ride to Shorewood. It's really 

Re: [RBW] After RAGBRAI 2016 - Muscatine to Milwaukee WI

[Tim Gavin]

I concur that the maps Doug suggested (and the trail networks they
describe) are awesome.

I think your route through Janesville and Fort Atkinson is good; the Peace
and Ice Age trails connect those towns.  And then the Glacial Drumlin trail
takes you east into Milwaukee.

The NW IL section (Clinton - Freeport - Janesville) doesn't have any trails
to use, but I bet those country roads aren't too busy, especially if you
ride the gravel.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Robert F. Harrison 
wrote:

> Great to hear from you and yes, I remember. I can't wait to see your
> Rodeo. I'll be on my trusty Friday again - at least that's the plan at the
> moment.
>
> I'll be spending a day in Muscatine when RAGBRAI finsishes so perhaps we
> can get together for bite on Saturday if you've time before heading back
> home. Last time around I had to hop on a bus back to Omaha almost as soon
> as the ride ended.
>
> As for Madison, my fondest memory of the place is getting trapped there
> with some old high school friends in the middle of snow storm after
> visiting colleges Minneapolis/St. Paul. As we stayed with a guy who'd
> already graduated and was attending UW Madison and worked at a pizza place
> that didn't close for the snow we had a great time.
>
> I've been told the Illinois side is likely less trafficed before so I'll
> keep it in mind. I haven't really done much research on the route yet, just
> a google map of possibles. Doug suggested the WI Bike Federation maps for
> the WI portion and I'll be getting those soon and it should help me figure
> out where to enter WI and where to go from there.
>
> Most of the WI riding I did was in and around Milwaukee and that was, um,
> many years ago. I was back about 7 or 8 years but didn't have the
> opportunity for any cycling.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
>> Bob-
>>
>> It's nice to hear you're doing RAGBRAI again this year.  We met two years
>> ago, on my first RAGBRAI (I have a red Riv Road/650b).
>>
>> I'm not sure what my plan will be for RAGBRAI.  I'm not riding the entire
>> week, probably just the last 3 days.  If we're riding light, I'll probably
>> be on my new-to-me Roadeo.  If we're riding loaded, I'll be on my Riv Road.
>>
>> Last year's route went right by where I live, so we were able to ride
>> from home and do 4 days.
>>
>> Your route looks pretty good from Muscatine to Milwaukee.  There are
>> excellent trails around and through Madison, WI, and it's a lovely town to
>> visit.
>>
>> I'll see if my girlfriend or her dad are interested in riding with you.
>> Your first day from Muscatine to Clinton looks nice.  The Illinois side of
>> the river would likely have less traffic than the Iowa side, between
>> Davenport and Clinton.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison > > wrote:
>>
>>> Aloha all!
>>>
>>> Now that that RAGBRAI 2016 route has been announced (
>>> http://ragbrai.com/2016-overnight-town-map/) I've got the rest of my
>>> summer ride plans to consider.
>>>
>>> I'll be attending my 40th (ouch) high school reunion this summer and I
>>> convinced the committee to hold it the weekend after RAGBRAI by telling
>>> them I'd ride from the end of that ride to Shorewood. It's really only
>>> about 260-300 (short to long depending) and I've got a week to do it so I'm
>>> not really concerned, but...
>>>
>>> I thought I'd ask if anyone has any experience between Muscatine, IA (on
>>> the Mississippi) and Milwaukee? Shorewood is across the street, literally,
>>> from Milwaukee.
>>>
>>> Also if anyone here lives along the route and wants to come for a day,
>>> let me know. It's a ways off yet.
>>>
>>> Here's a very, very tentative route (I haven't really researched the
>>> actual roads, this is just Google)...
>>>
>>> Monday Muscatine Clinton 71.9
>>> Tuesday Clinton Freeport 57
>>> Wednesday Freeport Janesville 56.6
>>> Thursday Janesville Fort Atkinson 39.5
>>> Friday Fort Atkinson Shorewood 63.5
>>> Total 288.5
>>> Muscatine to Clinton is up the Mississippi so that's in. I also sort of
>>> want to over night in Fort Atkinson just before the end because I'm hoping
>>> Bill Camplin (a musician who lives there and runs a music venue) is in
>>> town. I used to hear him a lot way back when and...well you know how that
>>> goes.
>>>
>>> There's another route that goes through Madison and just adds a few (not
>>> that many miles) and I'd consider that as well.
>>>
>>> Anyway, if anyone has thoughts on this, let me know.
>>>
>>> And, if anyone is doing RAGBRAI this year, let's chat!
>>>
>>> Aloha,
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
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>>> Honolulu, HI
>>> rfharri...@gmail.com
>>> statrix.com
>>> Wu Name: Tha Eurythmic King of Nowhere
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset, 126mm rear (maybe130)

[drew]

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[RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[hsmitham]

Hi Patrick,

I just went through your images and I have to remark, that is a sweet 
looking machine or better stated a fine steed indeed. The color is 
gorgeous. Very good build.

On handle bars, I've never felt comfortable with that type of bar almost 
too upright for me. But one's comfort is so subjective. For an upright bar 
the Albatross are still my favorite, but I've since gone back to a drop bar 
on my Hilsen. Actually a modified drop the Soma Portola's. They took a bit 
of adjustment but now feel wonderful, though if I was designing a new bar 
I'd have the ramps shorter. Probably one of the Salsa bars is already like 
that but I didn't want to deal with the whole 31.8 clamp deal. I've heard 
that "Riv" and Nitto are working on a new flared drop bar but that's just a 
rumor that I can't substantiate.

Anyway, this is about your Joe Appaloosa not my handle bar preference. I 
love it! I love the downtube script. Doesn't it have longer chainstays? How 
does the ride feel compared to other bikes? 

A new bike day is something to savor so enjoy in good health and many great 
miles.

Best Regards,

~Hugh 

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 12:30:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but 
> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[Patrick Kelly]

I didn't make note of exactly what those tires are. They are not the
stock tires that will come with the bikes. I think they are 2.2". At
least 2.1". They looked to me to be the fattest you could possibly fit
on the bike. (Didn't get a good photo, but there is about zero
clearance between the chain stays with those tires.) I didn't pay much
attention to them cuz I know they're only on there for fun/demo.

Looking at one of the photos, it looks like they are "continental
retroride" tires.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/24480268482

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Jim DMassachusetts
 wrote:
> What were those tires?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 3:30:50 PM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but
>> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
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[RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

[David Person]

Congrats for Lincoln.  They also have nice accessories like racks and 
fenders, if needed.

David


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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Wayne Naha]

I think Deacon has it about right.  If you look at the Riv PDF Clem Brochure 
 and 
scroll to the bottom, you will find a discussion of how to load the 
Clementine to avoid excess flex.  Now the Clementine is not exactly a 
mixte, but the same principles apply.  Basically it says to avoid a high 
heavy rear load.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:25:32 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> (Someone check me if I'm wrong): The challenge with mixte is they are 
> weakest with torque. This doesn't mean weak, but I could imagine that a 
> high, rear load would tend to easily magnify the torque (my Hunq begins to 
> feel this around 40 pounts on top of the rear rack -- on roads, on trails 
> roughly 20) The challenge with a 36# bag of dog food is loading it. It has 
> to go up top, in back. and it's a wide semi-loose load. I'd say try it at 
> home and see. You'll know quick. Perhaps the solution is:
>
> -- beer/food on top (if roughly 15-20 lbs)
> -- (2) 18# bags on either side of the rear rack.
> (This would likely be a max load. I've done 60-70 pounds on the 
> Hunqapillar (on roads, not trails) and it's slower going.) Be sure to take 
> corners slow and allow extra space for stopping and all that safety stuff.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 7:15:23 PM UTC-7, Mobile Bill wrote:
>>
>> Much to my surprise, my Betty Foy is becoming my most used bike on my 
>> commutings and travels about town. Love the Saluki and my 1988 Trek like 
>> the first day I got on em, and the Betty Foy sort of became mine by 
>> default. But boy, the Betty Foy is convenient for so many reasons that I 
>> didn't expect it to be. Maybe it's how easy it is to hop in and around the 
>> the mixte frame, maybe it's the Bosco bars I was smart enough to add, maybe 
>> it's the simple but effective front double, or the springy B67 saddle, or 
>> the fact that I can climb on it without the least regard for what I'm 
>> wearing or whether the pants legs will get grease on em, or the fact that 
>> it's got capacious baskets all over it. But when I need to get on a bike 
>> and get going and move stuff around, two thirds of the time I hop on the 
>> Betty.
>> Now here's the thing. I do much of my shopping on it. And today, I 
>> had the choice of loading up a 36 pound bag of dogfood -- along with beer 
>> and food -- or an 18 pound bag. Add 180 pounds or so of previously digested 
>> groceries, add this and that, and suddenly poor Betty is carting around 230 
>> or more pounds. I pondered what the impact of carrying that much weight 
>> would be on a mixte frame, particuarly over a dozen miles of cracked 
>> pavement, and without any data, chickened out and loaded up the 18 pound 
>> bag. I've loaded it up big before, and the bike felt a little wobbly, but 
>> really no more so than the Saluki when heavily loaded.
>> Did I unfairly prejudge the mixte frame? Has anyone ever ridden 
>> any Rivendell frames to excess?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[hsmitham]

Sorry, should have read the OP better. Test ride Duh.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 12:30:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but 
> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
>

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Re: [RBW] After RAGBRAI 2016 - Muscatine to Milwaukee WI

[Robert F. Harrison]

Great to hear from you and yes, I remember. I can't wait to see your Rodeo.
I'll be on my trusty Friday again - at least that's the plan at the moment.

I'll be spending a day in Muscatine when RAGBRAI finsishes so perhaps we
can get together for bite on Saturday if you've time before heading back
home. Last time around I had to hop on a bus back to Omaha almost as soon
as the ride ended.

As for Madison, my fondest memory of the place is getting trapped there
with some old high school friends in the middle of snow storm after
visiting colleges Minneapolis/St. Paul. As we stayed with a guy who'd
already graduated and was attending UW Madison and worked at a pizza place
that didn't close for the snow we had a great time.

I've been told the Illinois side is likely less trafficed before so I'll
keep it in mind. I haven't really done much research on the route yet, just
a google map of possibles. Doug suggested the WI Bike Federation maps for
the WI portion and I'll be getting those soon and it should help me figure
out where to enter WI and where to go from there.

Most of the WI riding I did was in and around Milwaukee and that was, um,
many years ago. I was back about 7 or 8 years but didn't have the
opportunity for any cycling.

Aloha,

Bob

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Bob-
>
> It's nice to hear you're doing RAGBRAI again this year.  We met two years
> ago, on my first RAGBRAI (I have a red Riv Road/650b).
>
> I'm not sure what my plan will be for RAGBRAI.  I'm not riding the entire
> week, probably just the last 3 days.  If we're riding light, I'll probably
> be on my new-to-me Roadeo.  If we're riding loaded, I'll be on my Riv Road.
>
> Last year's route went right by where I live, so we were able to ride from
> home and do 4 days.
>
> Your route looks pretty good from Muscatine to Milwaukee.  There are
> excellent trails around and through Madison, WI, and it's a lovely town to
> visit.
>
> I'll see if my girlfriend or her dad are interested in riding with you.
> Your first day from Muscatine to Clinton looks nice.  The Illinois side of
> the river would likely have less traffic than the Iowa side, between
> Davenport and Clinton.
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
> wrote:
>
>> Aloha all!
>>
>> Now that that RAGBRAI 2016 route has been announced (
>> http://ragbrai.com/2016-overnight-town-map/) I've got the rest of my
>> summer ride plans to consider.
>>
>> I'll be attending my 40th (ouch) high school reunion this summer and I
>> convinced the committee to hold it the weekend after RAGBRAI by telling
>> them I'd ride from the end of that ride to Shorewood. It's really only
>> about 260-300 (short to long depending) and I've got a week to do it so I'm
>> not really concerned, but...
>>
>> I thought I'd ask if anyone has any experience between Muscatine, IA (on
>> the Mississippi) and Milwaukee? Shorewood is across the street, literally,
>> from Milwaukee.
>>
>> Also if anyone here lives along the route and wants to come for a day,
>> let me know. It's a ways off yet.
>>
>> Here's a very, very tentative route (I haven't really researched the
>> actual roads, this is just Google)...
>>
>> Monday Muscatine Clinton 71.9
>> Tuesday Clinton Freeport 57
>> Wednesday Freeport Janesville 56.6
>> Thursday Janesville Fort Atkinson 39.5
>> Friday Fort Atkinson Shorewood 63.5
>> Total 288.5
>> Muscatine to Clinton is up the Mississippi so that's in. I also sort of
>> want to over night in Fort Atkinson just before the end because I'm hoping
>> Bill Camplin (a musician who lives there and runs a music venue) is in
>> town. I used to hear him a lot way back when and...well you know how that
>> goes.
>>
>> There's another route that goes through Madison and just adds a few (not
>> that many miles) and I'd consider that as well.
>>
>> Anyway, if anyone has thoughts on this, let me know.
>>
>> And, if anyone is doing RAGBRAI this year, let's chat!
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Bob
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Alejandro

[hsmitham]

Hi Tom,

I was at the grocery store the other day and witnessed three young (by my 
standards) folks on bikes obviously homeless, two women and man. I felt so 
sad for them! I feel so blessed to have come from a caring loving family, 
gainfully employed with a roof over my head. I heard recently that Los 
Angeles tops out as having the greatest number of homeless in the country 
as of November of 2015 according to this LA Times 

 
article. I don't have the answer it's a tough one. When I think about the 
solution, give them tiny houses I figure human nature is to say NIMBY and 
on the other side of the fence you're just creating Getto's! There are 
those homeless that don't want to be fenced in and refuse to conform and 
then those that are mentally ill and realistically need to be in some form 
of treatment. 

I think it's admirable that you and your neighbors go out and help 
Alejandro Tom. 

I think there is an underlying problem in our country that I think gets 
swept under the proverbial rug. Homelessness is just the manifestation of 
that underlying issue. 

Thanks for posting about Alejandro Tom and I hope and pray he's okay.

Best regards,

~Hugh 

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:37:59 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> I was out on a mission today, seeking a homeless man in our "outback", 
> such as it is, here, and ran into this situation.
>
> Alejandro Land 
>
> They are geese, right?  What kind of geese might they be?  They seem to be 
> staying here for a week or so on their journey.
>
> I have not found Alejandro, yet, but am following signs.  There was 
> evidence of a recent fire on makeshift hearth within range of the debris 
> area images and tracks of his oh so overladen cart.  I will be out tomorrow 
> on Sam Hillborne seeking further.
>
> There is a deep story to this (I think I have related it to Hugh).  In 
> brief, Alejandro is a homeless man who has slipped through the cracks of 
> both Mexican (in his native country) and US social services (here).  He 
> lives out in the brush with a cart laden an awesome load of God knows what 
> that is important to him.  Little or no English.  Diminished Spanish, 
> although that is his native language.  Had he grown up here, I am sure 
> there would be a label for him.  He has a mission every day to haul the 
> cart several miles to a Ralph's market and then back again to the boonies. 
>  Alejandro is defiant about not giving up his life choices.  People in the 
> hood try to minister to him and get him into better circumstances, but that 
> is not for him.  l am fortunate to live in what might be called "Pill 
> Hill", and our DM (Doctor of Medicine) neighbors do the same as I, go out, 
> find him, and treat him when necessary.
>
> Sorry, no bike images (owe you all, Sam is just so coooL).  Got 
> distracted by where Sam Hillborne takes me and has me doing.
>
>
>
> ~Tom
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wow. California gets mud.

[iamkeith]

Beautiful pictures, as always.   From the looks of that reservoir, it seems 
you guy scan still use a lot MORE rain - is that right?   Count your 
blessings no matter what - pictures like this always make me jealous of the 
fact that you can actually ride this time of year.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset, 126mm rear (maybe130)

[sameness]

PM sent.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset, 126mm rear (maybe130)

[Minh]

Drew.  Where are you located?  I may have something if you're close by.  

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset, 126mm rear (maybe130)

[Scott Henry]

http://www.velomine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info=86_235_243_id=3135

These are freewheel, but an amazing deal.

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

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forgot to add, all Merino Skins clothes are black. 
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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Michael Hechmer]

I don't think an occasional 230 lbs will unduly stress a Betty.  However if 
it were me I would try to spread the weight between the front, rear and 
both sides.  I think repeatedly putting that much weight entirely on the 
rear, especially unbalanced side to side could not be good for any bike, 
even a cargo bike.  Perhaps you might consider a trailer if you do grocery 
shopping with it often.

Michael

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:15:23 PM UTC-5, Mobile Bill wrote:
>
> Much to my surprise, my Betty Foy is becoming my most used bike on my 
> commutings and travels about town. Love the Saluki and my 1988 Trek like 
> the first day I got on em, and the Betty Foy sort of became mine by 
> default. But boy, the Betty Foy is convenient for so many reasons that I 
> didn't expect it to be. Maybe it's how easy it is to hop in and around the 
> the mixte frame, maybe it's the Bosco bars I was smart enough to add, maybe 
> it's the simple but effective front double, or the springy B67 saddle, or 
> the fact that I can climb on it without the least regard for what I'm 
> wearing or whether the pants legs will get grease on em, or the fact that 
> it's got capacious baskets all over it. But when I need to get on a bike 
> and get going and move stuff around, two thirds of the time I hop on the 
> Betty.
> Now here's the thing. I do much of my shopping on it. And today, I had 
> the choice of loading up a 36 pound bag of dogfood -- along with beer and 
> food -- or an 18 pound bag. Add 180 pounds or so of previously digested 
> groceries, add this and that, and suddenly poor Betty is carting around 230 
> or more pounds. I pondered what the impact of carrying that much weight 
> would be on a mixte frame, particuarly over a dozen miles of cracked 
> pavement, and without any data, chickened out and loaded up the 18 pound 
> bag. I've loaded it up big before, and the bike felt a little wobbly, but 
> really no more so than the Saluki when heavily loaded.
> Did I unfairly prejudge the mixte frame? Has anyone ever ridden 
> any Rivendell frames to excess?
>

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[RBW] Seeking Alejandro

[BenG]

The Canada geese will be fine. They stay in our cold area year-round now, using 
neighborhood ponds, golf courses, harvested fields. I didn't realize the 
southwest was on one of their flyways.  I would winter there if I could, too.
My brother-in-law the psychiatrist oversees all of the public resources for 
psychiatric care in our area.  He used to treat mentally ill folk whose 
treatment is no longer subsidized.  He says there is no safety net left for 
many who used to get in-patient care.  He also desperately needs psychiatrists, 
and can't find one to hire into public care (provided at hospitals and a United 
Way-funded center).  Says his field is really short for help.  As a specialty, 
psychiatry is not attracting students.

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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Deacon Patrick]

That's cargo bike territory, Garth. And it's been done. A few times.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/local-colorado-brewery-transports-kegs-via-tricycle.html
See how aero the rider can get:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/159174168049978456/

http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/beer-by-bike/article_7b946590-5c3c-11e2-a6d7-0019bb2963f4.html

Or just put the whole bar on wheels:
http://www.gizmag.com/bike-combines-bikes-beer-music-and-pizza/17331/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Don't ask me why this came to mind as I don't even drink beer  but I 
> wonder how many kegs of beer you could carry ?  !!!   Ahahahahahahah 
> !!  
>
> I checked , a full keg weighs about 160 lbs. .  One for each side ?  2 
> front and 2 rear ?  
>
> I'm laughing about this heartily , yet I really am just wondering !  
>

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[RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Bill Lindsay]

I got 18 this time.  The one more that just got added is a 50cm Hilsen, 
even though there is a typo in the title that says 58cm.  

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 3:05:01 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Only 13 show for me, and the Rodeo ain't among them. Have you refreshed 
> your browser, Bill?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 3:56:42 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> There is a treasure trove of Ready to Ride Rivendells now on the site. 
>>  That 59cm Roadeo is beckoning me.  
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/1072.htm
>>
>> 17 bikes in the Ready to Ride section.  Wowsa.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wow. California gets mud.

[dougP]

Manny:

House looking is a chore, eh?  Think about what goes thru someone's mind 
when they are trapped at home under 3' of snow, and they log on here, only 
to see beautiful pictures of green hills with people riding bikes in 
shortsin JANUARY!  Not sure but it may be part of the reason for the 
insane real estate prices.  

dougP

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> It's been a while. 
> But with marriage and house looking. Bike photos becomes secondary.
>
> Anyways. Breaking news!
> When you get a week of rain, after a 5 year drought in California, the 
> trails won't be dry.
>
>
> Pictures proved that there was mudd and the ride was a sub10 miler:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskpTNyn1
>
>
> Manny " Still alive and kicking" Acosta
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Ready to Ride

[Bill Lindsay]

There is a treasure trove of Ready to Ride Rivendells now on the site. 
 That 59cm Roadeo is beckoning me.  

http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/1072.htm

17 bikes in the Ready to Ride section.  Wowsa.  

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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Larry Charlton]

So folks are saying my 225lb body plus -- essentially anything -- are too 
much for my Yves Gomez?  I suspect that I carry 25 lb of groceries on my 
rear rack regularly.  (Panniers, kind of balanced.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow. California gets mud.

[Eric Norris]

Here's the spillway in happier (wetter) times:

http://youtu.be/-K_8R03jIZI 

--Eric N
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CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> 
> It's been raining, but here's a sobering shot of the spillway at Lake 
> Berryessa, which on Sunday was sitting some 20 feet above lake level. About 
> ten years ago, it was overtopping the spillway by several feet. We've got a 
> long way to go to get back to normal.
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric N
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> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:50 PM, dougP  wrote:
>> 
>> Manny:
>> 
>> House looking is a chore, eh?  Think about what goes thru someone's mind 
>> when they are trapped at home under 3' of snow, and they log on here, only 
>> to see beautiful pictures of green hills with people riding bikes in 
>> shortsin JANUARY!  Not sure but it may be part of the reason for the 
>> insane real estate prices.  
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>> It's been a while. 
>>> But with marriage and house looking. Bike photos becomes secondary.
>>> 
>>> Anyways. Breaking news!
>>> When you get a week of rain, after a 5 year drought in California, the 
>>> trails won't be dry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pictures proved that there was mudd and the ride was a sub10 miler:
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskpTNyn1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Manny " Still alive and kicking" Acosta
>> 
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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Garth]

  I mean with the Betty Patrick ... the Betty !  The Betty and beer !  
Ahahahahahahaa  ;)  My wondering is hardly "practical" as the world 
is full of practicality, this is just fun, for the helluva it !  

  Or, How about 99 bottles of beer instead on the Betty, take one down pass 
it around, 98 bottles of beer on the Betty !  I bet the ride really 
"mellows" with each beer down !  !  !  


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> That's cargo bike territory, Garth. And it's been done. A few times.
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[RBW] Re: How much can Betty handle?

[Garth]

Don't ask me why this came to mind as I don't even drink beer  but I 
wonder how many kegs of beer you could carry ?  !!!   Ahahahahahahah 
!!  

I checked , a full keg weighs about 160 lbs. .  One for each side ?  2 
front and 2 rear ?  

I'm laughing about this heartily , yet I really am just wondering !  

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[RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Only 13 show for me, and the Rodeo ain't among them. Have you refreshed 
your browser, Bill?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 3:56:42 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> There is a treasure trove of Ready to Ride Rivendells now on the site. 
>  That 59cm Roadeo is beckoning me.  
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/1072.htm
>
> 17 bikes in the Ready to Ride section.  Wowsa.  
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[RBW] FS: "Biketinkers Union" patches

[WETH]

Looks great. Placed my order.
Thanks,
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[RBW] RR44, Will's page

[Joe Bernard]

Will has a "how working here has changed me" article in the Reader. I won't 
spoil the whole thing 'cause BUY ONE, but I related to upright bars and not 
being so obsessive about piling on miles. I like sitting up, going kinda slow 
and just tooling around town. Rivendell's "just ride" philosophy has made me a 
happier bike rider.

Joe "you go ahead, I'll catch up later" Bernard 
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

[LeahFoy]

Ok, ok, one last thing. Today was our first day commuting to school on The Red 
Rocket. You guys, I'm giggling like an idiot on this keyboard as I type the 
very words! Pre-Red Rocket we did this: I met the boys at school, deep sighs 
from Lincoln as he mentally geared himself to pedal up that hill. Ethan and I 
went at a decent pace while Lincoln fell behind, causing me to hang back and 
coax him uphill. Eventually it would be too much for Linc and he and I would 
have to stop and walk the bikes. Meanwhile Ethan, now blocks ahead, waited at 
the top of the hill as passersby who saw him alone shook their heads and deemed 
his parents negligent. 

But TODAY: I met the boys at school. Lincoln said, "I'm nervous that I won't be 
that fast on my new bike, Mom." I said we'd see but that I had a good feeling. 
Invigorated by hope, Lincoln mounted The Red Rocket and shot up the hill, 
pausing only for pedestrians and crossings. He hung with us and then broke away 
at the archway, our designated watering spot. My older son (who stopped for 
water) fought to catch him all the way until the final 50 feet before the 
house. What a ride! We shaved 1/3 off our time. (30 minute commute, only 20 
minutes today!) I think we are going to like our Islabike. 

All is well once again! Thanks for all the help along the way.

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[RBW] Chris King Rear Hub

[Joe Bernard]

If they're going to do a warranty repair, that's a tacit admission of a defect. 
Is it common for a company to pay shipping both ways in this situation?

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Alejandro

[stonehog]

This reminds me of a book I recently read after a blog post by Stephan 
Guyenet (riv link - originally discovered him here based on Paleo 
discussions).  It's called Healing Back Pain, and here's the link in case 
anyone here has had chronic postural muscle pain and can't seem to make 
progress on a 
fix: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2015/12/healing-back-pain.html 
Warning - it maintains that most back pain is psychosomatic in cause - not 
caused by "lifting wrong" or "throwing your back out".  Since it's an 
election year and we're all geared up for controversy, this fits right in...

One area that stuck with me from the book was that modern medicine tends to 
treat the human body as a machine - a physical symptom must have a physical 
cause.  It's hard to apply the scientific method most physicians are 
trained on to psychiatric cause that may be inflicting the symptom. It's 
like we just disregard a person's mental health as so much nonsense - it 
couldn't seriously have anything to do with why someone is in physical pain.

It is sad that humans must go in cycles where we realize and make progress 
on the mind/body connection, and then it falls out of favor.  We lose so 
much in these darker times.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 10:12:17 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I was at the grocery store the other day and witnessed three young (by my 
> standards) folks on bikes obviously homeless, two women and man. I felt so 
> sad for them! I feel so blessed to have come from a caring loving family, 
> gainfully employed with a roof over my head. I heard recently that Los 
> Angeles tops out as having the greatest number of homeless in the country 
> as of November of 2015 according to this LA Times 
> 
>  
> article. I don't have the answer it's a tough one. When I think about the 
> solution, give them tiny houses I figure human nature is to say NIMBY and 
> on the other side of the fence you're just creating Getto's! There are 
> those homeless that don't want to be fenced in and refuse to conform and 
> then those that are mentally ill and realistically need to be in some form 
> of treatment. 
>
> I think it's admirable that you and your neighbors go out and help 
> Alejandro Tom. 
>
> I think there is an underlying problem in our country that I think gets 
> swept under the proverbial rug. Homelessness is just the manifestation of 
> that underlying issue. 
>
> Thanks for posting about Alejandro Tom and I hope and pray he's okay.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ~Hugh 
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:37:59 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> I was out on a mission today, seeking a homeless man in our "outback", 
>> such as it is, here, and ran into this situation.
>>
>> Alejandro Land 
>>
>> They are geese, right?  What kind of geese might they be?  They seem to 
>> be staying here for a week or so on their journey.
>>
>> I have not found Alejandro, yet, but am following signs.  There was 
>> evidence of a recent fire on makeshift hearth within range of the debris 
>> area images and tracks of his oh so overladen cart.  I will be out tomorrow 
>> on Sam Hillborne seeking further.
>>
>> There is a deep story to this (I think I have related it to Hugh).  In 
>> brief, Alejandro is a homeless man who has slipped through the cracks of 
>> both Mexican (in his native country) and US social services (here).  He 
>> lives out in the brush with a cart laden an awesome load of God knows what 
>> that is important to him.  Little or no English.  Diminished Spanish, 
>> although that is his native language.  Had he grown up here, I am sure 
>> there would be a label for him.  He has a mission every day to haul the 
>> cart several miles to a Ralph's market and then back again to the boonies. 
>>  Alejandro is defiant about not giving up his life choices.  People in the 
>> hood try to minister to him and get him into better circumstances, but that 
>> is not for him.  l am fortunate to live in what might be called "Pill 
>> Hill", and our DM (Doctor of Medicine) neighbors do the same as I, go out, 
>> find him, and treat him when necessary.
>>
>> Sorry, no bike images (owe you all, Sam is just so coooL).  Got 
>> distracted by where Sam Hillborne takes me and has me doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Joe Bernard]

I'll never warm up to the name, but those red and white Roadeos are the bee's 
pajamas. I'm not saying you should buy it, but I'm not saying you shouldn't ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[MartyG]

>
> Here's one to show you what I was driving all day Saturday and half of 
> Sunday. My driveway is a bit of a challenge in weather like this!
>


 
The front of my house shows the extent of the event pretty well.




 

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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[islaysteve]

Nice. Achine! That's what I've been wishing for, these past few days.  Cheers,
Steve

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[RBW] Re: RR44, Will's page

[Robert]

Yeah, Boscos changed me

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 8:55:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Will has a "how working here has changed me" article in the Reader. I 
> won't spoil the whole thing 'cause BUY ONE, but I related to upright bars 
> and not being so obsessive about piling on miles. I like sitting up, going 
> kinda slow and just tooling around town. Rivendell's "just ride" philosophy 
> has made me a happier bike rider.
>
> Joe "you go ahead, I'll catch up later" Bernard 
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] RR44, Will's page

[Pondero]

Okay, that does it.  Now I've got to have RR44.  Sounds like my kind of 
article.  Time to get an order together.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great to hear about everyone else's experience with the snow!  I'm still in 
the 55% of unplowed residential streets in Alexandria though we do have 
plowed primary and secondary streets close enough to walk to if we really 
wanted to get out and about.  Speaking of which I finished the re-build of 
the XO-3 today.  A highly utilitarian and not at all beautiful build but it 
seems sound, brakes well and the studded tires are mostly not rubbing the 
fenders so I'm going to say good enough! :)  I made a quick ride up and 
down the block (on hardpacked, unplowed snow) and did ok.  Tomorrow I'm 
hoping to get out and do a quick survey of my normal commuting route on the 
Mount Vernon Trail before the rain comes in (scheduled for mid-day). 
 Federal Gov't is closed again tomorrow so I'll be teleworking but I'd like 
to get an idea of whether a ride in on Wednesday is going to be feasible.
Any locals make it out on the Mount Vernon Trail? I've seen reports about 
the W and Custis but no MVT reports... also curious about the 14th St 
Bridge pedestrian path.

Shots of the XO-3;


 

Back to M-bar's seems fitting on the XO.  Since I have more garage time 
likely tomorrow afternoon I'll try to improvise some mud flaps for this 
build and decide what luggage is going to be put in use. I'm fresh out of 
Wald 137's so I'll need to fix that once Amazon starts delivering again.




Nokian/Suomi Mount and Ground 26x1.95" tires saw a bit of use last season 
but not a whole lot. Still have nearly all the tread indicators attached 
firmly.




>From yesterday, I don't know the cyclists but they were doing fine along Mt 
Vernon Ave (different from the trail!) with regular tires.



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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great to hear about everyone else's experience with the snow!  I'm still in 
the 55% of unplowed residential streets in Alexandria though we do have 
plowed primary and secondary streets close enough to walk to if we really 
wanted to get out and about.  Speaking of which I finished the re-build of 
the XO-3 today.  A highly utilitarian and not at all beautiful build but it 
seems sound, brakes well and the studded tires are mostly not rubbing the 
fenders so I'm going to say good enough! :)  I made a quick ride up and 
down the block (on hardpacked, unplowed snow) and did ok.  Tomorrow I'm 
hoping to get out and do a quick survey of my normal commuting route on the 
Mount Vernon Trail before the rain comes in (scheduled for mid-day). 
 Federal Gov't is closed again tomorrow so I'll be teleworking but I'd like 
to get an idea of whether a ride in on Wednesday is going to be feasible.


Any locals make it out on the Mount Vernon Trail? I've seen reports about 
the W and Custis but no MVT reports... also curious about the 14th St 
Bridge pedestrian path.

Shots of the XO-3;


 

Back to M-bar's seems fitting on the XO.  Since I have more garage time 
likely tomorrow afternoon I'll try to improvise some mud flaps for this 
build and decide what luggage is going to be put in use. I'm fresh out of 
Wald 137's so I'll need to fix that once Amazon starts delivering again.




Nokian/Suomi Mount and Ground 26x1.95" tires saw a bit of use last season 
but not a whole lot. Still have nearly all the tread indicators attached 
firmly.




>From yesterday, I don't know the cyclists but they were doing fine along Mt 
Vernon Ave (different from the trail!) with regular tires.

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