[RBW] Re: front rack recommendations

[Bin Chen]

Hi Scott, yes though its technically the Nitto NR-21 (exactly the same except I 
think 21 is meant for cantilever brake setups). And yes, Ultraswift bag size 
small. It's quite stable as a saddle bag and perfect for grocery runs because 
the rolltop expands so much.

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

The specialized "CG-R" aka "cobble gobbler" post is actually pretty cool. It 
has lots of layback and you can feel it has some extra suspension. That link 
about how iPhone changed orientation of photography is interesting and explains 
why I am having that problem and I have noticed others on this forum keep 
posting upside down pictures as well. 

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[RBW] Pacenti Pari-Moto "Gravel"

[Eric Norris]

I think these tires were mentioned on this list … 

Anyway, forgive me for asking a dumb question, but are *all* Pari-Motos made 
with the “gravel” casing? It’s hard to tell from the descriptions online:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157680012676975/with/32353300930/
 

 

I’ve been having a very unlucky run with the Pari-Moto on the back of my 
650B’ed Rivendell Road (3 flats in 3 rides), and I thought I read on this list 
that the “gravel” casing is different and more flat-proof.

--Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[sameness]

The answer is EXIF 
, my dear 
Watson.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] FS: acorn bag, nitto m-18, Thompson elite post

[drew]

All sold pending payment

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

My iPad is too smart for that. When i flip it over, it flips the pic over as 
well 

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

Ironic you say.. I was expecting folks to comment on the Specialized carbon 
post but its been quiet ..

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

Just pick up your computer monitor or iMac and flip it around should work

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:14:36 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:11:43 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:09:48 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 7:52:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
> > > > Haha!  Upside down for me too. I kept flipping my phone and it would 
> > > > adjust so the photo always remained upside down. Would love to get a 
> > > > better look at those handlebars if you care to repost the photos
> > > 
> > > Sorry, they were rightside up but I swear google did that 
> > > 
> > > The VO Left Bank handlebars are a perfect compliment to the frame. I 
> > > really like the rivendell handlebar shapes but they are too wide for me. 
> > > These are 49cm at the widest part and then taper inwards slightly. I'm 
> > > thinking I should add the diacompe D.C. 138 knobs as some people do to 
> > > their boscos
> > 
> > The crabon seat post is meant to be ironic


Not me again... why it does that I don't know

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:09:48 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 7:52:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
> > Haha!  Upside down for me too. I kept flipping my phone and it would adjust 
> > so the photo always remained upside down. Would love to get a better look 
> > at those handlebars if you care to repost the photos
> 
> Sorry, they were rightside up but I swear google did that 
> 
> The VO Left Bank handlebars are a perfect compliment to the frame. I really 
> like the rivendell handlebar shapes but they are too wide for me. These are 
> 49cm at the widest part and then taper inwards slightly. I'm thinking I 
> should add the diacompe D.C. 138 knobs as some people do to their boscos

The crabon seat post is meant to be ironic 

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Homer Hilsen 58, Campagnolo, 650b

[drew]

Great price. Someone please someone please 

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Haha!  Upside down for me too. I kept flipping my phone and it would adjust so 
the photo always remained upside down. Would love to get a better look at those 
handlebars if you care to repost the photos 

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Re: [RBW] 650B Tires

[Carla Waugh]

They accelerates a little slower but other than that I think so far for gravel, 
sand and grass they work great plus I'm not nearly as worried about goat heads!

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Homer Hilsen 58, Campagnolo, 650b

[CMR]

Price is complete! Not looking to sell frame/fork

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[SeanMac]

Great looking bike.  For me, however, the pictures of your orange Cheviot 
are upside down.  Still looks great, just hard to ride it that way!

Sean

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:37:13 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:
>
> Thanks. Good to know! The "no-tool" approach is what sparked my interest 
> on these hubs. Your 1.5 years of use w/o maintenance under mixed 
> conditions, assuming average mileage use, is pretty good on anyone's 
> standards. I repack my cup and cone on my commuter every 6 months or so but 
> not because they need it. When its time to be serviced they (the hubs) will 
> let you know as those pawls in them will become louder.
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:00:40 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>>
>> I ride in the rain and also lock my bike up outside at work and it gets 
>> rained on more than a good bike should. They (the hubs) are easy to 
>> disassemble with out any tools. I'm pretty lazy about maintenance so I 
>> haven't bothered to do anything with them yet but when I decide to I know 
>> it couldn't be any easier. That said, I don't claim to be knowledgeable 
>> about hubs so I may have missed something. But certainly no complaints 
>> after 1.5 years on them. 
>>  Of course any Compass tire will have very low rolling resistance and 
>> it's smart to have built in room to grow (just in case). I just ordered 
>> some snowqualmie tires for the Chevy-ut and then I need to figure out the 
>> fender-brake combo that will make it all work. I saw another guys on here 
>> had a similar build so I will have to copy what he did. 
>>The snakeskin fenders greatly look awesome on any bike. They are 
>> bike-bling
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thanks for Breaking on a Dime Tip!

[Deacon Patrick]

I think Jeff's got you covered, Michael. Let me know if you need more.

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:48:26 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Interesting.  Could you be more specific about this?
> Michael
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:45:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Since getting my new rims on the Hunqapillar, I’ve been fiddling with the 
>> toe-in and squealing all the while. Then I found in Evernote the tip from 
>> someone here to use a dime on the leading end of the brake pads to set the 
>> toe-in properly”! After commandeering my two wee-est daughters to be my 
>> third hand … silent brakes! Delicious! Great tip! Thanks! 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ride Medley

[Wayne Naha]

Bullseye Flake is a good one!  I enjoy it greatly.

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[RBW] Re: Thanks for Breaking on a Dime Tip!

[sameness]

Substitute business cards for a dime and this is the same concept 
. 
Was also one of the more helpful tips on home wrenching I've received from 
the good people of the internet.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Interesting.  Could you be more specific about this?
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Thanks for Breaking on a Dime Tip!

[Michael Hechmer]

Interesting.  Could you be more specific about this?
Michael

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:45:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Since getting my new rims on the Hunqapillar, I’ve been fiddling with the 
> toe-in and squealing all the while. Then I found in Evernote the tip from 
> someone here to use a dime on the leading end of the brake pads to set the 
> toe-in properly”! After commandeering my two wee-est daughters to be my 
> third hand … silent brakes! Delicious! Great tip! Thanks! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Homer Hilsen 58, Campagnolo, 650b

[adam leibow]

is price for frame fork headset or complete? 

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 7:25:52 AM UTC-8, CMR wrote:
>
> Found out I’ve been accepted into a few PhD programs, and need to tidy the 
> stable! My super fun and expensive commuter is not a perfect campus-lock 
> up, so here is my Homer. They no longer make the 58cm in 650b, so here is 
> your chance.
>
>  
>
> -58cm Homer Hilsen Frame/Fork/ Ultegra headset – 650b!
>
> -Rich-built Deore LX to Velocity Synergy rear wheel, Deore to Velocity 
> Synergy front, fantastic condition Schwalbe Marathons
>
> -Nitto technomic, Nitto randonneur with fresh Newbaums cotton tape, TRP 
> RRL levers, friction shifters, tektro long reach brakes
>
> -Campagnolo racing triple crankset with brand new bottom bracket, Veloce 
> rear derailleur
>
> -Campagnolo seatpost, Brooks Cambium C15 cutout saddle
>
>  
>
> Bike is in great condition but properly used, nail polish applied to paint 
> chips (shown in photos), decals are the weak point (“omer Hilsen”), but you 
> can get new ones from Riv affordably. Framesaved, clean, ready. All parts 
> properly greased, only real issue is the pedals are on super tight, they 
> were greased when put on so not a bonding issue, just a Chris-is-too-weak 
> issue.
>
>  
>
> Friction Campagnolo is a match made in heaven, and with some lighter tires 
> this would make a terrific road bike.
>
>  
>
> $1650 + ~$50 for bikeflights in CONUS. Located in the East Bay, come check 
> it out in person, we can do a test ride to get tacos.
>
>  
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/21267164@N02/with/32698968966/
>

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

Thanks. Good to know! The "no-tool" approach is what sparked my interest on 
these hubs. Your 1.5 years of use w/o maintenance under mixed conditions, 
assuming average mileage use, is pretty good on anyone's standards. I 
repack my cup and cone on my commuter every 6 months or so but not because 
they need it. When its time to be serviced they (the hubs) will let you 
know as those pawls in them will become louder.

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:00:40 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> I ride in the rain and also lock my bike up outside at work and it gets 
> rained on more than a good bike should. They (the hubs) are easy to 
> disassemble with out any tools. I'm pretty lazy about maintenance so I 
> haven't bothered to do anything with them yet but when I decide to I know 
> it couldn't be any easier. That said, I don't claim to be knowledgeable 
> about hubs so I may have missed something. But certainly no complaints 
> after 1.5 years on them. 
>  Of course any Compass tire will have very low rolling resistance and 
> it's smart to have built in room to grow (just in case). I just ordered 
> some snowqualmie tires for the Chevy-ut and then I need to figure out the 
> fender-brake combo that will make it all work. I saw another guys on here 
> had a similar build so I will have to copy what he did. 
>The snakeskin fenders greatly look awesome on any bike. They are 
> bike-bling

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

I ride in the rain and also lock my bike up outside at work and it gets rained 
on more than a good bike should. They (the hubs) are easy to disassemble with 
out any tools. I'm pretty lazy about maintenance so I haven't bothered to do 
anything with them yet but when I decide to I know it couldn't be any easier. 
That said, I don't claim to be knowledgeable about hubs so I may have missed 
something. But certainly no complaints after 1.5 years on them. 
 Of course any Compass tire will have very low rolling resistance and it's 
smart to have built in room to grow (just in case). I just ordered some 
snowqualmie tires for the Chevy-ut and then I need to figure out the 
fender-brake combo that will make it all work. I saw another guys on here had a 
similar build so I will have to copy what he did. 
   The snakeskin fenders greatly look awesome on any bike. They are bike-bling

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Bill Lindsay]

Tom, you know I've wanted a grey Atlantis since the moment I saw yours.  

Bill

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:47:35 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> A metallic grey Atlantis?  Welcome to the club!  (It's obviously not very 
> exclusive, given the identity of the two members I know)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
> I don't know about 'typical' but I made my first "built to order" purchase 
> from Rivendell in November.  I ordered a 650B Atlantis, and they said it 
> would be roughly four months, due in part to the fact that lots of the 
> Waterford folks take time off for hunting.  I was buying a couple things at 
> RBW Headquarters a little while back and asked Will for an update and he 
> checked for me.  He said my 'tentative' shipping date is 2/15/17 but he 
> said to take that with a grain of salt also.   
>
> I did want a non-stock color on my Atlantis.  I did not want to break the 
> bank, I just wanted something a little unique.  Will told me the easiest, 
> lowest cost way to be a little bit original is to choose a 'stock option' 
> color from Waterford.  He pointed me to about a dozen color choices on a 
> webpage, and I picked a metallic grey.  He said all of those Waterford 
> stock option colors are small upcharges, like $100 or less.  I'm not 
> completely certain what the final price will be, but I'm convinced that 
> Rivendell just passes on whatever expense they have to lay out to make it 
> be the color you want.  If it's a Waterford color, it's fairly easy and 
> cheap.  If it's a D paintjob, it's hundreds of dollars.  If it's a Joe 
> Bell paintjob, it is even more.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-8, Andrew Huston wrote: 
>>
>> What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford 
>> made Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 
>> weeks, which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe 
>> a lot longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to 
>> complete current orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as 
>> well. It's winter here in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have 
>> wait until September. Also, has anyone opted for alternate color choices 
>> and what has the cost been, if you are willing to share. Many thanks. 
>
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

A metallic grey Atlantis?  Welcome to the club!  (It's obviously not very 
exclusive, given the identity of the two members I know)

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On Feb 6, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:

I don't know about 'typical' but I made my first "built to order" purchase from 
Rivendell in November.  I ordered a 650B Atlantis, and they said it would be 
roughly four months, due in part to the fact that lots of the Waterford folks 
take time off for hunting.  I was buying a couple things at RBW Headquarters a 
little while back and asked Will for an update and he checked for me.  He said 
my 'tentative' shipping date is 2/15/17 but he said to take that with a grain 
of salt also.

I did want a non-stock color on my Atlantis.  I did not want to break the bank, 
I just wanted something a little unique.  Will told me the easiest, lowest cost 
way to be a little bit original is to choose a 'stock option' color from 
Waterford.  He pointed me to about a dozen color choices on a webpage, and I 
picked a metallic grey.  He said all of those Waterford stock option colors are 
small upcharges, like $100 or less.  I'm not completely certain what the final 
price will be, but I'm convinced that Rivendell just passes on whatever expense 
they have to lay out to make it be the color you want.  If it's a Waterford 
color, it's fairly easy and cheap.  If it's a D paintjob, it's hundreds of 
dollars.  If it's a Joe Bell paintjob, it is even more.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-8, Andrew Huston wrote:
What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford made 
Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 weeks, 
which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe a lot 
longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to complete current 
orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as well. It's winter here 
in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have wait until September. Also, 
has anyone opted for alternate color choices and what has the cost been, if you 
are willing to share. Many thanks.

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Re: [RBW] WTT: Tubus Tara for Tubus Duo

[Bob K.]

Sorry, folks. Nothing to see here. Thanks to Tim for pointing out my folly; 
my fork won't work for the Duo!

Bob

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[RBW] Thanks for Breaking on a Dime Tip!

[Deacon Patrick]

Since getting my new rims on the Hunqapillar, I’ve been fiddling with the 
toe-in and squealing all the while. Then I found in Evernote the tip from 
someone here to use a dime on the leading end of the brake pads to set the 
toe-in properly”! After commandeering my two wee-est daughters to be my third 
hand … silent brakes! Delicious! Great tip! Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

They do look great on the bike!

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, panog wrote:
> > > First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs?
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:Yes 
> good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels
> > 
> > No, I also have them on my 650b converted Soma/Riv San Marcos w/ 42mm 
> tires and aluminum fenders so I knew they would be good! You will like your 
> custom with puffy 42mm tires and fenders!
>
> The snakeskin fenders that is
>

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Re: [RBW] WTT: Tubus Tara for Tubus Duo

[Tim Gavin]

Bob-

Does the intended bike have eyelets that go all the way through the fork
blade?  (like the fork on the left)
The Duo requires these for mounting.  The Long Haul Trucker has these
eyelets, but not too many other bikes.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Hi Folks:
>
> I have a virtually new Tubus Tara (just test fitted and rode around the
> block) that I'd like to trade for a Tubus Duo (the one without the hoop
> over the wheel). My Tara is silver, which I ordered from overseas, but I'm
> open to a black or silver Duo in return. The Duo will be a bit more
> versatile for my needs.
>
> Please reply off-list if interested.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

Thanks. I dont anticipate going to 42s yet. Most of my time is spent on 
paved roads or packed dirt trails, so mostly on 32s and 35s, maybe 
occasionally on 38s. I specked the bike for 42s+fenders to have the 
flexibility in the future if the need develops.

I looked briefly on the Gran Cru for another project I was doing but could 
not find enough long term reviews about them. The one I found indicated 
issues with the seals on that particular unit. However, one review does not 
define a product. Have you ever had to change the bearings on them? Much 
riding in the rain?


On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, panog wrote:
> > First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs?
> > 
> > On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:Yes 
> good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels
>
> No, I also have them on my 650b converted Soma/Riv San Marcos w/ 42mm 
> tires and aluminum fenders so I knew they would be good! You will like your 
> custom with puffy 42mm tires and fenders!
>

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't know about 'typical' but I made my first "built to order" purchase 
from Rivendell in November.  I ordered a 650B Atlantis, and they said it 
would be roughly four months, due in part to the fact that lots of the 
Waterford folks take time off for hunting.  I was buying a couple things at 
RBW Headquarters a little while back and asked Will for an update and he 
checked for me.  He said my 'tentative' shipping date is 2/15/17 but he 
said to take that with a grain of salt also.  

I did want a non-stock color on my Atlantis.  I did not want to break the 
bank, I just wanted something a little unique.  Will told me the easiest, 
lowest cost way to be a little bit original is to choose a 'stock option' 
color from Waterford.  He pointed me to about a dozen color choices on a 
webpage, and I picked a metallic grey.  He said all of those Waterford 
stock option colors are small upcharges, like $100 or less.  I'm not 
completely certain what the final price will be, but I'm convinced that 
Rivendell just passes on whatever expense they have to lay out to make it 
be the color you want.  If it's a Waterford color, it's fairly easy and 
cheap.  If it's a D paintjob, it's hundreds of dollars.  If it's a Joe 
Bell paintjob, it is even more.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-8, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford 
> made Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 
> weeks, which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe 
> a lot longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to 
> complete current orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as 
> well. It's winter here in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have 
> wait until September. Also, has anyone opted for alternate color choices 
> and what has the cost been, if you are willing to share. Many thanks. 

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[RBW] WTT: Tubus Tara for Tubus Duo

[Bob K.]

Hi Folks:

I have a virtually new Tubus Tara (just test fitted and rode around the 
block) that I'd like to trade for a Tubus Duo (the one without the hoop 
over the wheel). My Tara is silver, which I ordered from overseas, but I'm 
open to a black or silver Duo in return. The Duo will be a bit more 
versatile for my needs.

Please reply off-list if interested.

Thanks!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[A. Nostuh]

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, panog wrote:
> > First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs?
> > 
> > On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:Yes good 
> > eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels
> 
> No, I also have them on my 650b converted Soma/Riv San Marcos w/ 42mm tires 
> and aluminum fenders so I knew they would be good! You will like your custom 
> with puffy 42mm tires and fenders!

The snakeskin fenders that is

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

Glad to hear it...kind of assumed you did...I'd hate to see  it ripped off. 

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 10:55:09 AM UTC-6, panog wrote:
>
> @Ryan F.
>
> Yes, fortunate to have a very secure place to keep the bike at work. No 
> bike lock needed. 
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Wow that is some build ..can't wait to see it. Obviously you have a very 
>> secure place at work to house such a treasure
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-6, panog wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and 
>>> although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics 
>>> well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it.
>>>
>>> The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six 
>>> in my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining 
>>> twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has 
>>> taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design 
>>> was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with 
>>> the AHH  but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted 
>>> by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele 
>>> has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient 
>>> with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. 
>>> Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes 
>>> beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The 
>>> first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I 
>>> had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was 
>>> as important to me as arriving at the destination.
>>>
>>> Frame stats:
>>> Size 62.8
>>> Seat angle 72, head angle 72
>>> Rake 50mm
>>> HT length 206.1mm
>>> TT eff 61.6cm
>>> TT upslope 2.5 deg
>>> CS length 47cm
>>> BB drop 80mm
>>> 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders
>>>
>>> Paint:
>>> Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl
>>>
>>> Build:
>>> DA 9-speed bar ends
>>> TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26
>>> Phil BB
>>> XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear
>>> 11-32 XT 
>>> Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers
>>> Paul's braze-on Racers
>>> CK headset
>>> Nitto NP stem
>>> Nitto S83 seat post
>>> Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the 
>>> Berthoud Aspin goes back on)
>>> Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to 
>>> drops)
>>> Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II
>>>
>>> I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 
>>> polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes 
>>> arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange 
>>> offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went 
>>> with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color.
>>>
>>> Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be 
>>> on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The 
>>> bike is set for up to 42's with fenders.
>>>
>>> Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant 
>>> on this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled 
>>> the beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike 
>>> because I have the wheels waiting here.
>>>
>>> The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the 
>>> Albastache) and then we will go from there.
>>>
>>> Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words.
>>>
>>> Pano
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today 
 is the one I would be most likely to copy.  

 WANT!

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

@Ryan F.

Yes, fortunate to have a very secure place to keep the bike at work. No 
bike lock needed. 

On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Wow that is some build ..can't wait to see it. Obviously you have a very 
> secure place at work to house such a treasure
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-6, panog wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and 
>> although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics 
>> well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it.
>>
>> The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in 
>> my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining 
>> twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has 
>> taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design 
>> was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with 
>> the AHH  but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted 
>> by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele 
>> has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient 
>> with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. 
>> Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes 
>> beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The 
>> first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I 
>> had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was 
>> as important to me as arriving at the destination.
>>
>> Frame stats:
>> Size 62.8
>> Seat angle 72, head angle 72
>> Rake 50mm
>> HT length 206.1mm
>> TT eff 61.6cm
>> TT upslope 2.5 deg
>> CS length 47cm
>> BB drop 80mm
>> 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders
>>
>> Paint:
>> Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl
>>
>> Build:
>> DA 9-speed bar ends
>> TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26
>> Phil BB
>> XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear
>> 11-32 XT 
>> Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers
>> Paul's braze-on Racers
>> CK headset
>> Nitto NP stem
>> Nitto S83 seat post
>> Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the 
>> Berthoud Aspin goes back on)
>> Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to 
>> drops)
>> Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II
>>
>> I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 
>> polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes 
>> arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange 
>> offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went 
>> with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color.
>>
>> Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be 
>> on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The 
>> bike is set for up to 42's with fenders.
>>
>> Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on 
>> this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the 
>> beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike 
>> because I have the wheels waiting here.
>>
>> The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) 
>> and then we will go from there.
>>
>> Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words.
>>
>> Pano
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today 
>>> is the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>>>
>>> WANT!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: A Homer Hilsen 58, Campagnolo, 650b

[CMR]

My mistake, 58cm 650b still available!

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Ryan Fleming]

Wow that is some build ..can't wait to see it. Obviously you have a very 
secure place at work to house such a treasure

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-6, panog wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and 
> although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics 
> well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it.
>
> The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in 
> my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining 
> twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has 
> taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design 
> was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with 
> the AHH  but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted 
> by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele 
> has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient 
> with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. 
> Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes 
> beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The 
> first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I 
> had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was 
> as important to me as arriving at the destination.
>
> Frame stats:
> Size 62.8
> Seat angle 72, head angle 72
> Rake 50mm
> HT length 206.1mm
> TT eff 61.6cm
> TT upslope 2.5 deg
> CS length 47cm
> BB drop 80mm
> 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders
>
> Paint:
> Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl
>
> Build:
> DA 9-speed bar ends
> TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26
> Phil BB
> XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear
> 11-32 XT 
> Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers
> Paul's braze-on Racers
> CK headset
> Nitto NP stem
> Nitto S83 seat post
> Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the 
> Berthoud Aspin goes back on)
> Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to drops)
> Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II
>
> I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 
> polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes 
> arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange 
> offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went 
> with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color.
>
> Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be 
> on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The 
> bike is set for up to 42's with fenders.
>
> Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on 
> this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the 
> beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike 
> because I have the wheels waiting here.
>
> The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) 
> and then we will go from there.
>
> Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words.
>
> Pano
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
>> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>>
>> WANT!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] 650B Tires

[nathaniel nichols]

I rode soma Caz tires from oakland, ca  up the coast then went the 199 thru 
southern central Oregon up to Portland OR /Vancouver WA via 99 with zero flats. 
Even stopped by crater lake. All pavement miles, those tires are fast. 

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[RBW] Winter Ride Medley

[RichS]

Patrick, thank you! Always inspired by your intrepid riding. My compliments! 
You are the poster child for Hunqapillar ownership.

All the best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride

[panog]

First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs?

On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
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> Yes good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels

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Re: [RBW] 650B Tires

[panog]

Orange Seal could be used for sealing inner tubes and is very effective doing 
so. Scroll down this 
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Sealant_Test_-_Part_1_4147.html
 and this  
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Sealant_Test_-_Part_2_4155.html
 for test results on Orange Seal.
It is latex based so has a tendency to dry out as part of it evaporates so 
periodic replacement is advised. Also tends to clog the valve cores so keep a 
couple spares with you.

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Re: [RBW] 650B Tires

[islaysteve]

Patrick and other Orange Seal users:  I want to try this in my daughters 
bike, which will soon be converted to 650b, with tubes and Maxi Fasties.  I 
assume I will need tubes with removable valves (Presta).  I don't think any 
of the tubes I have, have those; can you recommend some please?  Thanks, 
Steve


On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 11:56:44 PM UTC-5, franklyn wrote:
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> To add a data point, they do for me. I started testing Orange Seal sealant 
> in inner tubes on my wife and my commuters that regularly see the worst 
> conditions. Regularly, I will pull culprits--glass shards, staples--out of 
> the tires. The tires might lose some pressure while the sealant congeals 
> around the puncture, but by the time I discover and pump it back up the 
> tube/tire is sealed again.
>
> Now just about all our bikes have sealant in the tubes.
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 8:23:14 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Orange Seal’s web site only mentions using their product in tubeless 
>> tires. Does it work in innertubes as well?
>>
>> --Eric Norris
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>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Carla -- in case it's worth repeating (it may not be) I get the best of 
>> both worlds by using Orange Seal or Stan's in my tubes. I ride 175 gram Elk 
>> Pass ELs on our goathead-littered bosque dirt and the sealant is, let's 
>> say, 95% effective (the 5% being the stop-and-pump and the even more rare, 
>> 1X year, tube changeout -- I carry a spare with sealant inside).
>>
>> OTOH, I've heard good things about the Cazadero.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Carla Waugh  wrote:
>>
>>> I just put on some Soma Cazadero 650B tires for the goat head season and 
>>> so far they have been excellent and no flats. I love my Compass tires but 
>>> for now these will be used in goat geadcountry.
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