[RBW] Re: New charity build

[Evan E.]

Beautiful! Especially love the chain guard and the fender line.

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Re: [RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Will Ashe]

I'd be very curious to see front random bag vs rear saddlebag. I think I've 
heard in the past that a rando bag acts as a faring and is more 
aerodynamic. 



On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:47:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very interesting; thanks for posting this. I was particularly interested 
> to see that he found very little difference between front and rear 
> panniers; IIRC, BQ claimed that fronts dragged less than rears. Am I right, 
> or am I not remembering correctly? At any rate, this matters to me, because 
> based on the belief that fronts drag less than rears, I installed my front 
> lowriders to accommodate my Sports Packers, hoping for lower drag than rear 
> rack with Rollers. If this is not the case, I will remove the lowriders and 
> reconfigure the Sports Packers to fit on the rear rack, which has to stay 
> in place since it holds the rear light and wiring.
>
> Too bad he did not include rear saddlebags or front rando bags. Can anyone 
> extrapolate usefully to saddlebags or rando bags? Will I be 35.1172% faster 
> with a Saddlesack Large instead of those Roller Packers?
>
> And: He could probably enjoy the convenience of Ortliebs f and r without 
> penalty by swapping those Marathons for Compasses.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Will Ashe  > wrote:
>
>> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, 
>> it is interesting.
>>
>>
>> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Will Ashe
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[RBW] OT: "The Hungry Brain" – a lengthy book review

[Max S]

This is not Riv *Bike* related, but perhaps somewhat relevant to those who 
keep up with Grant's writings on eating... The review is not mine; just 
written very well by a very smart, accomplished person and injects very 
interesting and new information into a topic many of us (including Grant) 
care about: 

Book review of "The Hungry Brain": 

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/25/book-review-the-hungry-brain/ 

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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[PaulM]

Hello, The saddle height from center of bb to top of seat is 79cm. My PBH 
is 89cm. I'm 6'2"   This frame was listed for a max PBH of 87cm I believe 
but it has the same seat tube length as the Roscoe #2 which had a minimum 
recommended PBH of 89cm. The head tubes are different lengths but this 
model has plenty of height.

On Friday, 28 April 2017 10:56:41 UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Looks really great! I thought this one had/has the nicest proportions of 
> the lot.  Can i ask what your saddle height is? How tall are you?   (Always 
> tough to get a feel for true size & fit from frame drwgs on paper alone.)

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[RBW] FS or Trade: Tan Medium Saddlesack

[LeahFoy]

Sold! To a great guy Rivster WHO ACTUALLY LIVES IN VEGAS! I had believed I was 
the only one. Wonderful.

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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[PaulM]

Hello, The stem is a Nitto fillet brazed stem with a 25 degree rise by 
135mm extension. I've had this stem for over twenty years before putting it 
on a bike. The bars are Specialized Globe bars.

On Friday, 28 April 2017 10:14:59 UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
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> I love the green and brown! 
>
> What stem and bars are those?
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[RBW] New charity build

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE. 

New Albions frame design could also be called "rib content". 

Is that the VO seatpost?  What diameter is it?

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Steven Sweedler]

After riding the  Divide with 4 Panniers, a handlebar bag ( all Ortlieb)
 and a Little Joe saddle bag, arriving a few minutes earlier  on a 60 m.
day would not be a worthy reason to buy a new set of bags that were much
less convenient for access. For me easy access is a huge plus..Though I
pushed my bike up many hills,  the panniers were not a huge impediment. Nor
was I watching the clock.  Steve
Plymouth, NH


On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 6:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Patrick: you have far more off road loaded riding experience than I, but
> even I have lost (for good!) a rear pannier by squeezing through too narrow
> an opening.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but
>> I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had
>> challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to
>> balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes.
>> But my panniers were never in the way.
>>
>> Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and
>> maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also
>> ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds
>> required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and
>> bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit.
>>
>> To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use
>> because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and
>> saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally
>>> scientific, it is interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Will Ashe
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Lee Legrand]

There must be a book on Japanese joinery.  I seen on Japanese joinery for
cabinet making years ago.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> My general approach has become far more clear. There is plenty of
> information available on Japanese tools, but not much on joinery specifics.
> Thus my plan is:
>
> -- use Japanese tools because they are designed for using on the floor
> (angles, cutting on the pull rather than push, etc).
> -- use standard western joinery that I can find easily as I learn Japanese
> joinery as I find it.
>
> This is likely a good thing as just looking as some of those Japanese
> joints boggles me poor wee brain. Sardonic grin.
>
> Eric, the place in Maine no longer Japanese joinery.
>
> Takashi -- I'd imagine you grew up with "floor living"? (and likely just
> considered it "living).
>
> Garth. Ha! Aye, all cultures floor lived, until their royalty sat in
> chairs and other emulated it. Grin.
>
> Mike -- thanks! Fascinating looking book.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:34:08 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent
>> resource and my choice for tools). They suggested I talk with the guy who
>> only comes in Saturdays, so I will. and Japanese Wood Worker (now owned by
>> Wood Craft, so kind of like getting help on timber framing at Home Depot).
>> Eric, I'll check out woodworking Magazine and the Center for Furniture
>> Craftsmanship in Maine. I've also made contact with Jay van Arsdale and Hap
>> Stanley (of shapton.com sharpeners), so we'll see where that goes.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to
>>> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off
>>> group (lamontglen [at} mac dot com)?
>>>
>>> Since we floor live it’s hard to find furniture. Since I’ve been able to
>>> work in my own bike shop, we’ve wondered if this is the next step of brain
>>> therapy.
>>>
>>> Thanks! We now return you to your Riv Bunch programing...
>>>
>>> With abandon,
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Robert Keal]

DP,

I think the claimed handling benefits for a bikepacking setup generally are
only benefits for those who want to ride aggressively on an off-road tour.
My bikes definitely handle more naturally and with less forethought
required when I'm using a basket/seat bag/frame bag setup, but the point of
bike camping for me isn't really to "shred the gnar" so much as to spend
time in the woods in the company of friends (or myself), so these handling
"benefits" don't matter much to me.

My experience with an intense hike-a-bike was with Ortlieb Sport Packer
Plus panniers mounted to a rear rack. It was about 3-4 hours total, and we
must have lifted our bikes up and over 20 fallen trees all while gaining
and losing elevation at a dizzying pace--in 100 degree heat. The panniers
caused me to have to push from an awkward angle. For the first half hour,
it didn't matter. After two or three, though, the awkward position caused a
lot of strain in several areas of my body. Front panniers may have been
easier in some ways, but they present different issues. Namely, each log of
any size requires one to lift or otherwise support the front wheel and bags
up and over, whereas rear panniers allow one to employ the ol' drag method.
:)

Ultimately, I think a front and rear saddlebag with full frame bag setup
might work best for me for off-road touring (and a rear saddlebag with
front panniers for road tours), but I'm going to give the seat bag at least
one more go before I rule it out.

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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Deacon Patrick]

My general approach has become far more clear. There is plenty of 
information available on Japanese tools, but not much on joinery specifics. 
Thus my plan is:

-- use Japanese tools because they are designed for using on the floor 
(angles, cutting on the pull rather than push, etc).
-- use standard western joinery that I can find easily as I learn Japanese 
joinery as I find it.

This is likely a good thing as just looking as some of those Japanese 
joints boggles me poor wee brain. Sardonic grin.

Eric, the place in Maine no longer Japanese joinery.

Takashi -- I'd imagine you grew up with "floor living"? (and likely just 
considered it "living).

Garth. Ha! Aye, all cultures floor lived, until their royalty sat in chairs 
and other emulated it. Grin.

Mike -- thanks! Fascinating looking book.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:34:08 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent 
> resource and my choice for tools). They suggested I talk with the guy who 
> only comes in Saturdays, so I will. and Japanese Wood Worker (now owned by 
> Wood Craft, so kind of like getting help on timber framing at Home Depot). 
> Eric, I'll check out woodworking Magazine and the Center for Furniture 
> Craftsmanship in Maine. I've also made contact with Jay van Arsdale and Hap 
> Stanley (of shapton.com sharpeners), so we'll see where that goes.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to 
>> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off 
>> group (lamontglen [at} mac dot com)?
>>
>> Since we floor live it’s hard to find furniture. Since I’ve been able to 
>> work in my own bike shop, we’ve wondered if this is the next step of brain 
>> therapy.
>>
>> Thanks! We now return you to your Riv Bunch programing... 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: you have far more off road loaded riding experience than I, but
even I have lost (for good!) a rear pannier by squeezing through too narrow
an opening.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but
> I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had
> challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to
> balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes.
> But my panniers were never in the way.
>
> Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and
> maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also
> ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds
> required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and
> bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit.
>
> To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use
> because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and
> saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-6, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific,
>> it is interesting.
>>
>> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-pannier
>> s-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Will Ashe
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Re: [RBW] New charity build

[Patrick Moore]

Please let us know how high it goes. A very pretty bike; It would probably
get even my almost-16-year-old daughter interested.

(Patrick: "How about we get a tandem and I can drive you to school on the
tandem." Catie: "DAAAaaaAAAD!")

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Here are some pics of a new build for a fundraiser auction at my
> daughter's school. I built a Clementine last year, but thought I'd try a
> Mixte frame from New Albion Cycles this year.  I had broken the front
> dropout installing a headset a couple of years ago (stupidity!), so I
> bought a chrome replacement fork from SOMA. Riv content:  Extra long reach
> Tektro sidepulls, and Sneaker Pedals.  The rest of the build is pretty
> eclectic, and all from the parts bin.  The floral pannier is from Basil,
> and yes, the bell is matchy-matchy.  Gotta get bidders' attention!
>
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[RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Deacon Patrick]

Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but 
I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had 
challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to 
balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes. 
But my panniers were never in the way.

Other arguments I've heard for frame bags: 1) center of gravity and 
maneuverability on technical trails. Having bikepacked trails I've also 
ridden without a load, this is bunk -- different handling and speeds 
required, but still a non-issue; 2) ease of getting through tight brush and 
bracken. Nah. If I can fit, either on the bike or off, my panniers can fit.

To me it's just a lot of reason to have gear that is frustrating to use 
because it carries so little and is difficult to access. Panniers and 
saddle bags and read racks for me. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, 
> it is interesting. 
>
>
> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Patrick Moore]

You are welcome. I realized that my tires are not 650B, but I couldn't
resist an opportunity to display the Matthews, and not only that: the
Matthews with Sackville!

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Ash A  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Thanks for the picture!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:20:55 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I use PB Cascadia 29er fenders, 60 mm, over my 51 mm actual width Furious
>> Freds, and I've used the same fenders on 60 mm tires with little problem of
>> splash.
>>
>> Shown covering the F Freds.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Ash A  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Turns out P55 won't work for 2.0/50mm tires :(
>>>
>>> Question to folks with 650x50 (or bigger) tires: What fender are you
>>> using?  I'd really appreciate if you post a picture :)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 15 April 2017 10:10:28 UTC-7, Garth wrote:



FWIW, What do anyone else's SKS fenders actually measure ?  My P50's
 are about 53mm wide.

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Re: [RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Patrick Moore]

Very interesting; thanks for posting this. I was particularly interested to
see that he found very little difference between front and rear panniers;
IIRC, BQ claimed that fronts dragged less than rears. Am I right, or am I
not remembering correctly? At any rate, this matters to me, because based
on the belief that fronts drag less than rears, I installed my front
lowriders to accommodate my Sports Packers, hoping for lower drag than rear
rack with Rollers. If this is not the case, I will remove the lowriders and
reconfigure the Sports Packers to fit on the rear rack, which has to stay
in place since it holds the rear light and wiring.

Too bad he did not include rear saddlebags or front rando bags. Can anyone
extrapolate usefully to saddlebags or rando bags? Will I be 35.1172% faster
with a Saddlesack Large instead of those Roller Packers?

And: He could probably enjoy the convenience of Ortliebs f and r without
penalty by swapping those Marathons for Compasses.

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> it is interesting.
>
> http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-
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>
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[RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Bob K.]

Thanks for posting this, Will. It's definitely an interesting read. To me, his 
testing proves that bikepacking bags don't make all that much sense for a 
relaxed tour that will generally be on tarmac and/or relatively well cared for 
gravel roads. If the time penalty for front panniers vs. bikepacking bags given 
the same amount of effort over the course of 60 miles is just a measly 15 
minutes, why not go with panniers? Again, this only really applies for road 
touring, though, because panniers (front or rear) are pains in the butt on 
off-road hike-a-bikes with lots of elevation change. That said, his test 
assumes the same weight for all setups, which generally wouldn't be the case 
since most folks, myself included, would take a few more things given the extra 
cargo capacity of panniers. 

One side note: I've only taken one trip since buying a Porcelain Rocket Mr. 
Fusion seat bag--my setup was front low rider panniers, a few small dry bags 
(tools, rain gear, etc.) in a front basket, and the PR seat bag--but I would've 
rather used a traditional saddlebag like my Carradice Super C, mostly because 
it's so much easier to access the contents vs. the PR bag. I'm waiting to make 
a final call on this, though, until I take a couple of wholly off-road trips 
this summer. I might find that the benefits of the seat bag will outweigh the 
small annoyance of packing and unpacking.

Hopefully I didn't digress too much here. Looking forward to hearing others' 
thoughts.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Ash A]

Patrick,

Thanks for the picture!



On Thursday, 27 April 2017 18:20:55 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I use PB Cascadia 29er fenders, 60 mm, over my 51 mm actual width Furious 
> Freds, and I've used the same fenders on 60 mm tires with little problem of 
> splash.
>
> Shown covering the F Freds.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Ash A  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Turns out P55 won't work for 2.0/50mm tires :(
>>
>> Question to folks with 650x50 (or bigger) tires: What fender are you 
>> using?  I'd really appreciate if you post a picture :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 15 April 2017 10:10:28 UTC-7, Garth wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>FWIW, What do anyone else's SKS fenders actually measure ?  My P50's 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Betty Foy 58 cm frame/fork/BB/brakes/seatpost - $750 + shipping OBO

[René Sterental]

The Betty has found a new home, I'm very happy to report.

René

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> Thank you. Still missing the buyer...
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> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:53 AM Chris Birkenmaier 
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>> Since we are commenting on this posting, I'd like to say that I
>> appreciate sellers like you who provide photos showing a ton of close up
>> and different angles to view.  Gives the (potential) buyer the information
>> they need for assessing condition.  Kudos!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:23:46 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>>> It's 650b. Can take 42 mm tires without fenders easily, maybe a bit
>>> more. With metal fenders, 38 mm tires are best.
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 9:21 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
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[RBW] New charity build

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Here are some pics of a new build for a fundraiser auction at my daughter's 
school. I built a Clementine last year, but thought I'd try a Mixte frame from 
New Albion Cycles this year.  I had broken the front dropout installing a 
headset a couple of years ago (stupidity!), so I bought a chrome replacement 
fork from SOMA. Riv content:  Extra long reach Tektro sidepulls, and Sneaker 
Pedals.  The rest of the build is pretty eclectic, and all from the parts bin.  
The floral pannier is from Basil, and yes, the bell is matchy-matchy.  Gotta 
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[RBW] Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

[Will Ashe]

I came across this article today, and while it is not totally scientific, it is 
interesting. 

http://www.cyclingabout.com/speed-difference-between-panniers-bikepacking-bags-aerodynamic-testing-results/

Thoughts?

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[RBW] FS or Trade: Tan Medium Saddlesack

[LeahFoy]

Nobody likes tan? Of course you do! $150, shipped.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[drew]

the frame and finish is about as nice as i've seen in a used bike from this 
era. it's not perfect, but i doubt there is a cleaner one that isn't NOS. 
 it can't have been ridden more than a few times and stored inside. 
basically just shop and time wear. 

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[RBW] Roscoe Ramblings

[iamkeith]

Looks really great! I thought this one had/has the nicest proportions of the 
lot.  Can i ask what your saddle height is? How tall are you?   (Always tough 
to get a feel for true size & fit from frame drwgs on paper alone.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[Patrick Moore]

That's a darned good deal for someone in the 5'9-6" range, if the frame is
as nice as I think it is. (I'm 5'10" with an Asian build and the 19'/23'
more-or-less frame fit me well. Even better IMO if the tt is a half inch
shorter.)

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> 18.5.
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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[Carla Waugh]

Great green and looks like a fun bike! Happy miles for a long time.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[Eric Karnes]

very cool! these were high on my dream bike list when i was a kid. i've 
ridden the m2 stumpys, and while the aluminum is obviously stiffer than 
steel, they still ride very nicely.

eric

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> I'm only familiar with the high end steel predecessors -- '90 SJ Comp and 
> '92 SJ Team -- but if this one handles like either of those, it's a 
> wonderfully neutral handling bike.
>
> Is the tt only 57 cm? Mine were 18.5 or 19 and IIRC they had at least 23" 
> tts. But if the 18.5 really does have an actual 57 c-c, it will make a 
> wonderful candidate for a drop bar. I did drop bar my '91, but it took a 
> severely upjutting T-Bone stem.
>
> The jpgs didn't come through, at least on my computer. I'd like to see, 
> although I'm not in the market for one.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:14 AM, drew  
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>> I posted this on the Ibob list too. its not super rivish, but it is MUSA 
>> and there are 2 sams and a saddlesack in the background. 
>>
>> Selling a 1993 specialized stumpjumper frame, cockpit, brakes and 
>> crankset. (Pedals and fd not included). M2 alloy frame and crmo fork. Deore 
>> lx components-crank, cantis and integrated trigger shifters/brake levers. 
>> Made in USA. Super clean, it has seen minor use at most. I'll take better 
>> pix tomorrow. 18.5in downtube c-c. 57cm top tube.
>> I'm a bit at a loss to on how to price. I'd like to get 175$+shipping for 
>> everything. Willing to part out, if there is demand for just the frame or 
>> the parts. Let me know if I'm out of line on the price.
>>
>> I also have still a carradice Nelson longflap that is newish. 95$ shipped
>>
>> Priority for Local pickup in southern ca and/or full bike purchase.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[drew]

Here are the photos, if they don't work in the original post. I believe i 
measured 57cm, but it was late and i was tired. ill double check tonight. 
In doing more research, i think this is a 19in frame. they didnt make an 
18.5. 
 

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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Eric Karnes]

that's sad to hear that japan woodworker was purchased by woodcraft. they 
used to be a really excellent independent resource... 

eric


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> Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent 
> resource and my choice for tools). They suggested I talk with the guy who 
> only comes in Saturdays, so I will. and Japanese Wood Worker (now owned by 
> Wood Craft, so kind of like getting help on timber framing at Home Depot). 
> Eric, I'll check out woodworking Magazine and the Center for Furniture 
> Craftsmanship in Maine. I've also made contact with Jay van Arsdale and Hap 
> Stanley (of shapton.com sharpeners), so we'll see where that goes.
>
> With abandon,
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>
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>> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off 
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[Michael Morrissey]

I love the green and brown! 

What stem and bars are those?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2017 MUSA Shorts - Medium

[Broccoli Cog]

These are now sold. Thanks for looking

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Re: [RBW] FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[Patrick Moore]

I'm only familiar with the high end steel predecessors -- '90 SJ Comp and
'92 SJ Team -- but if this one handles like either of those, it's a
wonderfully neutral handling bike.

Is the tt only 57 cm? Mine were 18.5 or 19 and IIRC they had at least 23"
tts. But if the 18.5 really does have an actual 57 c-c, it will make a
wonderful candidate for a drop bar. I did drop bar my '91, but it took a
severely upjutting T-Bone stem.

The jpgs didn't come through, at least on my computer. I'd like to see,
although I'm not in the market for one.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:14 AM, drew  wrote:

> I posted this on the Ibob list too. its not super rivish, but it is MUSA
> and there are 2 sams and a saddlesack in the background.
>
> Selling a 1993 specialized stumpjumper frame, cockpit, brakes and
> crankset. (Pedals and fd not included). M2 alloy frame and crmo fork. Deore
> lx components-crank, cantis and integrated trigger shifters/brake levers.
> Made in USA. Super clean, it has seen minor use at most. I'll take better
> pix tomorrow. 18.5in downtube c-c. 57cm top tube.
> I'm a bit at a loss to on how to price. I'd like to get 175$+shipping for
> everything. Willing to part out, if there is demand for just the frame or
> the parts. Let me know if I'm out of line on the price.
>
> I also have still a carradice Nelson longflap that is newish. 95$ shipped
>
> Priority for Local pickup in southern ca and/or full bike purchase.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Pass and Stow Porteur Rack - Silver

[David Banzer]

Bumping this up. I'll cover shipping so $230 shipped conUS.
Thanks,
David

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> With a move out of the city, I've found my bike hauling needs have 
> changed. This was on my Clem (59cm) and worked great.
> I believe it is the 'Tall' version as it fit on Clem with 29x2.35 tires 
> and fenders and fit perfectly.
> Price is $230 plus shipping. 
> Paypal Personal on this one please. 
> An 'older' photo when Clem was setup for carrying a buncha stuff: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BD6ghQHsmfx/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
> Contact offlist with any questions or interest.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago/River Grove, IL 
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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[Bob Lovejoy]

Excellent!  Looks ready for adventures and exploring... Also looks like you 
have great places to do that!

Congrats on the new bike...

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Roscoe Ramblings

[Davey Two Shoes]

Looks great!

I really want someone to build one up single speed.

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> Finally built up my Roscoe Bubbe and took it out on the Bear Creek bike 
> path in the Rogue Valley for a 20 mile ride. It rides great! Very smooth, 
> responsive, comfortable and tracks perfect with no hands on the bars. Aside 
> from the ride quality, the frame color (deep metallic green) and the twin 
> top tubes make the bike a pleasure to look at. As a friend once told me " 
> are going to hang that frame on the wall or are you going to ride it. This 
> one will be ridden everywhere!
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Bosco Bullmoose? (either width will do)

[Bryan Richardson]

Hey Dave, 

I'll take em! Just let me know what email I can use to PayPal you.

Thanks!

Bryan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 11:30 PM, DaveS DaveS  wrote:
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> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Bryan Richardson  wrote:
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>> Sounds good. Thanks Dave!
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:18 PM, DaveS  wrote:
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>>> confirm that they are bull moose and not regular Bosco. Will post photos 
>>> later for you. They need a home
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[RBW] FS: 93 stumpjumper frame, cockpit, crank, brakes, carradice.

[drew]

I posted this on the Ibob list too. its not super rivish, but it is MUSA 
and there are 2 sams and a saddlesack in the background. 

Selling a 1993 specialized stumpjumper frame, cockpit, brakes and crankset. 
(Pedals and fd not included). M2 alloy frame and crmo fork. Deore lx 
components-crank, cantis and integrated trigger shifters/brake levers. Made 
in USA. Super clean, it has seen minor use at most. I'll take better pix 
tomorrow. 18.5in downtube c-c. 57cm top tube.
I'm a bit at a loss to on how to price. I'd like to get 175$+shipping for 
everything. Willing to part out, if there is demand for just the frame or 
the parts. Let me know if I'm out of line on the price.

I also have still a carradice Nelson longflap that is newish. 95$ shipped

Priority for Local pickup in southern ca and/or full bike purchase.


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[RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

[LeahFoy]

Twin, will you send us a photo?

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Bosco Bullmoose? (either width will do)

[DaveS DaveS]

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Bryan Richardson  wrote:
> 
> Sounds good. Thanks Dave!
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:18 PM, DaveS  wrote:
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>> that they are bull moose and not regular Bosco. Will post photos later for 
>> you. They need a home
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[RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

[twin]

I ordered mine on Friday and also have a sapphire blue tiny saddlesack. I 
love this color!

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> I ordered my Sapphire Medium Shopsack on Friday. There are only 8 left, so 
> they probably won't last through the week. 
>
> I think of olive and tan as "warms". Grey and Sapphire are "cools".  If 
> you've got a bike with a cool colorway, it's nice to have a complementary 
> bag.  I've got a bunch of olive and now a couple Sapphire so I have both 
> covered
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Bosco Bullmoose? (either width will do)

[DaveS DaveS]

Bryan I do have them. Will sell for $75 total including shipping. Will send not 
great photos in separate email. Let me know what you think

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Bryan Richardson  wrote:
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> Sounds good. Thanks Dave!
> 
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[RBW] SAM and I

[twin]

My new Sam which only has maybe 30 miles ans so far very fun to ride and 
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Garth]

I too have been living this for years now, but I don't associate it with any 
country or anything like that. I found I rather like being on the ground rather 
than faulted on a chair.  I have made do with own makeshift tables which are 
just Ikea shelving parts I had leftover and placed on some leftover plastic 
storage containers. I was going to get a table top from Ikea, they have one 
that is modular so you can just buy the top and raise it any way you wish, or 
not at all! But, I just have not been around there since last summer, maybe 
this summer I'll drive over. Lowes and Home Depot also sell 36" pine rounds 
that you can raise any which way too. 

I went for a nice spring walk barefoot today and oh my, how cold can wet field 
grass feel in the springtime in the early morning ! Endless blades of grass 
massaging the feet and between the toes, so refreshing , woo hoo !  

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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Tom M]

The Soul of a Tree might be worth a 
read: 
https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Tree-Master-Woodworkers-Reflections/dp/1568363958
--Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-4, Mike Packard wrote:
>
> I love this list; I am now interested in both Japanese Woodworking and 
> floor living.
>
> Any good blogs / photo sets about floor living out there?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:12:19 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to 
>> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off 
>> group (lamontglen [at} mac dot com)?
>>
>> Since we floor live it’s hard to find furniture. Since I’ve been able to 
>> work in my own bike shop, we’ve wondered if this is the next step of brain 
>> therapy.
>>
>> Thanks! We now return you to your Riv Bunch programing... 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Mike Packard]

I love this list; I am now interested in both Japanese Woodworking and 
floor living.

Any good blogs / photo sets about floor living out there?

Mike


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>
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> therapy.
>
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>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Takashi]

Not furniture, but here are videos of traditional-style carpenter:
https://youtu.be/QJ5voZfUNbo
https://youtu.be/HXv8laE9YNA
I think required techniques are similar between carpentry and furniture 
craft, only different in sizes.

BTW, I also live on floor. I am typing this sitting on floor, my computer 
on a low table.

Takashi


Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to 
> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off 
> group (lamontglen [at} mac dot com)?
>
> Since we floor live it’s hard to find furniture. Since I’ve been able to 
> work in my own bike shop, we’ve wondered if this is the next step of brain 
> therapy.
>
> Thanks! We now return you to your Riv Bunch programing... 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese Woodworking

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, gents! Update: I've talked with both Hida Tool (excellent 
resource and my choice for tools). They suggested I talk with the guy who 
only comes in Saturdays, so I will. and Japanese Wood Worker (now owned by 
Wood Craft, so kind of like getting help on timber framing at Home Depot). 
Eric, I'll check out woodworking Magazine and the Center for Furniture 
Craftsmanship in Maine. I've also made contact with Jay van Arsdale and Hap 
Stanley (of shapton.com sharpeners), so we'll see where that goes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Does anyone know good books or online resources or someone willing to 
> share the craft via video conference? If so, could you please email me off 
> group (lamontglen [at} mac dot com)?
>
> Since we floor live it’s hard to find furniture. Since I’ve been able to 
> work in my own bike shop, we’ve wondered if this is the next step of brain 
> therapy.
>
> Thanks! We now return you to your Riv Bunch programing... 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv sighting in Minneapolis

[Johnny Alien]

Right! Hupe not loop!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2017 MUSA Shorts - Medium

[Broccoli Cog]

I know that the list is not really designed to be a classified site so I 
won't keep bumping these to the top. Instead I am going to offer them up 
one more time at a rock bottom price of $50. The bottom line is that I 
purchased them a size too small and I am trying to recoup some of my funds. 
These really are great quality made in the USA shorts. If you think these 
will work for you this will be a great deal for somebody. If you've been 
eyeing these on the Rivendell site and don't want to wait for them to come 
back in stock here is your chance. Let me know! 

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 2:37:51 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Picked these up 2 weeks ago. Only ended up wearing once on the bike and 
> once around the house. They are just not the correct size for me. This is 
> the new version of these shorts Rivendell has them listed as sold out on 
> their website. These are the mediums and the waist size is listed as 32" 
> expandable to 43".  $65 shipped within the Continental US. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv sighting in Minneapolis

[Timothy Orr]

Cool! Thanks, y'all!

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