[RBW] NYC Century on Cheviot

[Bill Lindsay]

EPIC. Very well done.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Clementine photo

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Dave,

Love my clementine. Perfect for dad biking.

Sky in new west

https://www.instagram.com/p/BW6NWvjlGel/

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Dave Redmon  wrote:
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> I'm seeking a photo of someone actually riding a Clementine. I want to 
> understand more of how riders fit in with those wayback handlebars as well as 
> typical rider positions--for example, how far forward a rider can comfortably 
> grip the handlebar when climbing etc. Can someone please share a Clem action 
> photo?
> 
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[RBW] WTB: Brooks B68

[VeloVert]

Hi all. Looking for a Brooks B68 saddle in new/newish condition. Black or 
Brown preferred. Please PM me if you have one for sale. Thank you.

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[RBW] Clicking Brooks sprung saddle question

[commutour]

Try tightening the seat clamp?

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 54 Rambouillet

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I agree, I personally like the lug lining!

Toshi


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> your brakes on that bike sure look great. what kind are they?
> did you get some supplemental pin striping?
>
> nice bike!
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[RBW] Re: WTB 54 Rambouillet

[bo richardson]

your brakes on that bike sure look great. what kind are they?
did you get some supplemental pin striping?

nice bike!

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[RBW] Clementine photo

[Dave Redmon]

I'm seeking a photo of someone actually riding a Clementine. I want to 
understand more of how riders fit in with those wayback handlebars as well as 
typical rider positions--for example, how far forward a rider can comfortably 
grip the handlebar when climbing etc. Can someone please share a Clem action 
photo?

--Dave, who is considering purchase

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I definitely had fun with the Rasta Paul skewers, but the other key
features are credited to Mark Abele who worked with Mark Nobilette to not
only implement the ideas but make it a work of art.

Check out the front fender which Mark kept in place under the rack to
maintain a beautiful curve.

The dynamo wiring is meticulously organized and the rear wiring is not
shown in the blug  but has beautiful wire guides that are tastefully hidden
from view when looking from the rear.

Look at the rear cable stop in the last blug pic--wow that sure beats a
cable hanger any day :)!

Mark had the idea to put some extra braze-ons for the pump. I was a little
skeptical because my frames tend to be a tight fit, but the pump fits
beautifully. I should have had a flask holder too ;)!

The paint is so beautiful I had to get a kickstand to protect it! I am
definitely loving every minute with the bike!

Toshi


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the
> littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never
> would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool!
> My Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Max--beautiful color! Hopefully the twins can ride together at a Riv
gathering!

Toshi


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Toshi -
>
> That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green
> 2003 custom:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123
>
> twins separated at birth?
>
> Enjoy that beautiful bike,
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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Re: [RBW] seatpost question

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Jim,

If your friend uses a zero setback seatpost, he might gain an extra cm or
so. I needed to do that when I needed to decrease seat height for my kid.
Of course the seat may be pushed forward a little more, which could cause a
different issue.

Toshi


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:05 PM Jim S.  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a question about seat posts that I was hoping someone might be able
> to help me with.
>
> I have a friend with short legs and a long torso. I suggested to him that
> he buy a larger frame to accommodate his long torso. But it turns out his
> legs are  unusually short, such that, even with the seat post slammed, he
> wants things a cm or so lower.
>
> The saddle is a Brooks B17 - I know he could get a less-high saddle.
>
> But it's a great saddle. Does anyone know of a seat post with a lower than
> normal profile? I think he has a Velo Orange Grand Cru in there right now.
>
> Thanks in advance of any expertise.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Bill Lindsay]

"Tomorrow I'll do a short ride to round out 200 miles for this bike, which 
will put 5 of the 10 in the books."


Bike number five is now in the books.  The next one to finish it's tour of 
duty will likely be my mountain bike, but there are a couple dark horse 
contenders.  

BL in EC

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[RBW] Clicking Brooks sprung saddle question

[MountNormal]

I've read about people melting (with a hair dryer) Proofide into the "joints" 
of the saddle..not sure if it would work on the springs but perhaps it would 
and it would be safer than other lubes if it got on the leather. 

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[RBW] Re: Clicking Brooks sprung saddle question

[Brian Campbell]

Maybe try giving each spring bolt a 1/2 turn, tightening, to see if it has 
an effect.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 6:46:44 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Brand new, maybe 100 miles on it. Flyer Imperial.
>
> Love it, but it has started clicking. Not squeaking, like we often hear 
> reported.
>
> One click per pedal stroke.
>
> Can be recreated by grabbing the back of the saddle with thumb on top and 
> fingers under the springs and squeezing.
>
> One click per squeeze. Feels solid though, not like something is loose.
>
> I guess I will lube any metal parts of the frame that look like they touch 
> each other and see if that does it.
>
> *Anyone had this before with their sprung Brooks?*
> *Fixes?*
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[reynoldslugs]

ok, one more comparison.  The mounting of the pump on the seat stays got me 
thinking - here's my vote in support of seat-stay brazeons (albeit for a 
slightly different use):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677927445/in/album-72157643546486474/

and

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677921485/in/album-72157643546486474/

I actually like the idea of using that spot for a pump.  Well done, Toshi.

Max B


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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Joe Bernard]

There's a bunch of amazing pics of this on the BLUG. I know this is the 
littlest thing in comparison to all the other amazing details, but I never 
would have picked multicolored Paul skewers on a green frame: It's so cool! My 
Cheviot-green Clem L is definitely getting those skewers. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB 54 Rambouillet

[lum gim fong]

I love my Rambouillet!
Those are awesome bikes. I have a 54 Blue. It rides great as 700c or 650b.
They pop up here from time to time.
Maybe she would like the Roadeo. They are probably the closest performing 
model. But they are expensive.

Just for fun:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/8r2068

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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[lum gim fong]

I cant delete the entire post/thread if someone has posted response publicly. 
Only my posts in the thread. But not the whole thread/post.

Would be great to be able to remove my whole post after sale.

I presently have two pearl stems for sale, a nitto  decaleur and a Synergy rear 
wheelset for sale.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[reynoldslugs]

Toshi -

That bike is stunning.  The green looks pretty close to my emerald green 
2003 custom:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625808579123

twins separated at birth?

Enjoy that beautiful bike,

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

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[RBW] Clicking Brooks sprung saddle question

[lum gim fong]

Brand new, maybe 100 miles on it. Flyer Imperial.

Love it, but it has started clicking. Not squeaking, like we often hear 
reported.

One click per pedal stroke.

Can be recreated by grabbing the back of the saddle with thumb on top and 
fingers under the springs and squeezing.

One click per squeeze. Feels solid though, not like something is loose.

I guess I will lube any metal parts of the frame that look like they touch 
each other and see if that does it.

*Anyone had this before with their sprung Brooks?*
*Fixes?*

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[RBW] Re: Seatpost Question

[lconley]

Use a straight seat post with separate clamp. Rotate the clamp so that the 
rails are below the clamp bolt instead of above. You can get the seat 
rails to almost touch the frame.

Laing

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:

>
> Hi all, 
>
> I have a question about seatposts that I was hoping someone might be able 
> to help me with.
>
> I have a friend with short legs and a long torso. I suggested to him that 
> he buy a larger frame to accommodate his long torso. But it turns out his 
> legs are unusually, remarkably short, such that, even with the seat post 
> slammed, he wants things a cm or so lower.
>
> The saddle is a Brooks B17 - I know he could get a less-high saddle.
>
> But it's a great saddle. Does anyone know of a seatpost, preferably with 
> setback, with a lower than normal profile? I think he has a Velo Orange 
> Grand Cru in there right now. Nice seatpost. But lots of this seatpost 
> can't fit into the seat tube.
>
> Thanks in advance of any expertise.
>
>

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[RBW] Seatpost Question

[Jim S.]

Hi all, 

I have a question about seatposts that I was hoping someone might be able 
to help me with.

I have a friend with short legs and a long torso. I suggested to him that 
he buy a larger frame to accommodate his long torso. But it turns out his 
legs are unusually, remarkably short, such that, even with the seat post 
slammed, he wants things a cm or so lower.

The saddle is a Brooks B17 - I know he could get a less-high saddle.

But it's a great saddle. Does anyone know of a seatpost, preferably with 
setback, with a lower than normal profile? I think he has a Velo Orange 
Grand Cru in there right now. Nice seatpost. But lots of this seatpost 
can't fit into the seat tube.

Thanks in advance of any expertise.

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[RBW] WTB 54 Rambouillet

[bo richardson]

my buddy Corina just rode my Rambouillet. 
does anyone have a54 at a reasonable price?

thanks

bo
bellingham
360 6764838

thanks again

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[RBW] seatpost question

[Jim S.]

Hi all, 

I have a question about seat posts that I was hoping someone might be able 
to help me with.

I have a friend with short legs and a long torso. I suggested to him that 
he buy a larger frame to accommodate his long torso. But it turns out his 
legs are  unusually short, such that, even with the seat post slammed, he 
wants things a cm or so lower.

The saddle is a Brooks B17 - I know he could get a less-high saddle.

But it's a great saddle. Does anyone know of a seat post with a lower than 
normal profile? I think he has a Velo Orange Grand Cru in there right now.

Thanks in advance of any expertise.




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[RBW] Re: FS/T: Brooks Flyer Special, used, $75

[Jeremy Till]

Saddle has been traded, thanks!

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:00:03 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> For sale or trade is one Brooks Flyer Special saddle.  The Flyer is a 
> sprung B.17, and "Special" refers to having the big hand-hammered copper 
> rivets and some extra chamfering on the bottom edges of the leather. 
>  Bought new by me in 2013, used regularly through 2016, used only 
> occasionally since then.   This is the "Honey" color, although it has 
> darkened slightly because I have treated it regularly (~once a year) with a 
> small amount of Proofide.  I always was conscientious about using a saddle 
> cover in wet weather.  There are some scuffs in the leather between the 
> rivets, and there is one spot on the left side of the nose where the 
> leather bows out slightly.  It has been that way since new, and I never 
> found it to be an issue while pedaling.  Pictures are here:  
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsm3vkzZq
>
> I'm selling it because after giving them a good try (3 years of riding), 
> my riding style has changed slightly and I've come to prefer saddles that 
> are slightly narrower and with a more modern geometry.  For that reason, I 
> would: 
>
> 1. Trade straight across for a Brooks Cambium C.15 or C.17, regular or 
> carved, any color, in similar or better condition, or a leather saddle with 
> a more modern profile (Rivet, Berthoud, etc., but not Selle Anatomica).
> 2. Do a partial or full trade for a WTB Pure V saddle, depending on the 
> model (Team, Race, Pro, etc.) and condition.  
> 3. Sell this saddle for $75.  
>
> I am located in Sacramento, CA and could do local pickup either in 
> Sacramento or the SF Bay Area.  Would ship as well, especially for trades. 
>  I will also include the adjustment wrench and the rest of my large tin of 
> Proofide.  
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Jeremy
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[RichS]

Congratulations Toshi. That's a beauty.   Well done!

Best,
Richard






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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[Hugh Smitham]

I generally update a post with what has sold and what is available as well 
as any price drops. The last big purge I did once everything sold I deleted 
the post so I wouldn't receive inquiries and to unclog the list.

It's a good practice. 

hugh


On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Hi Joseph - 
>
> I am the moderator - there's only one.  If you ever have a question about 
> non-RBW things, feel free to contact me using the "Contact Moderator" 
> button.
>
> It's probably been a while since I posted an explicit reminder to the 
> group, but when replying to FS/FT/WTB/WTT/etc. posts, you should contact 
> the poster directly. That prevents accidental sharing of personal 
> information to the group at large.  This is a publicly searchable/viewable 
> group, so if someone posts a phone number, address and says something like 
> "but we're going to be out of town for the next two days", there are bad 
> people who might take advantage of that.  I know you wouldn't do that, but 
> I'd hate to tell you how many moderated posts contain information which I'd 
> regard as too personal for public consumption.
>
> If you contact the poster directly, that also spares everyone else the 
> process of having to ignore that thread.  Some folks still do track this 
> group through email. 
>
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>
> I'm thinking people should indicate when something is sold. Editing the 
> post subject would be good.  Kinda like leaving your campsite a bit cleaner 
> than how you found it.
>
> If they could delete the thread, even better. 
>
> Sorry for the initial confusion.  Hope all of that is clear.
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / cyclofiend
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7, Joseph Simmons wrote:
>>
>> I am a new member and have joined in order to find a Bike for sale. a few 
>> questions if I may...
>>
>> 1.) I have responded to several FS postings. None have answered! I may be 
>> new to the group but my money is old and burning a whole in my pocket! Am I 
>> missing something?
>>
>> 2.) Many of the Posts tagged "FS" are 6 months to a year old. with a 
>> final Post...20 down the conversation, it's now sold. Do any of the authors 
>> or moderator(s) in this group delete Old posts with no current context or 
>> relevance..as in SOLD
>>
>> Thank you for any help or guidance 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS / FT Berthoud, Noodle Cockpit, Velocity 650b Cliffhanger wheelset, and and and

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Velocity wheels SOLD

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim...you make a good point about not shoving the saddle back   and  my 
other Rivs are not in the least twitchy but this one with Chocos ,  to my 
mind, is and this is after Mark tweaked it by swapping in a longer stem (12 
or 13cm) and cutting off  14mm off the choc. bars. Riv graciously gave me 
my choice of what I wanted to do. so I went with that option. One way or 
the other, I'm still a few millimeters from Nirvana but I'm also thinking 
that the configuration is just not what I'm  personally used to. I haven't 
ridden an upright bike since I was 13 or 14. Totally fixable , though, I am 
sure

 BTW not using this forum to criticize Rivendell who could not have been 
more accommodating and who built me  a  gorgeous bike.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off the 
> Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say this 
> because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a 
> description I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased 
> leverage from gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the 
> natural place one would grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, 
> in essence, a lever, and the further away from the axis of rotation, the 
> easier (twitchier?) it is to turn the wheels. If you notice less response 
> when you move your hands in, then shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by 
> moving the seat back, more weight goes to the rear wheel, thus the 
> twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am about as far from an 
> engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, my opinion and 4 
> bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.

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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[Bill Lindsay]

I imagine our email-only users have it even worse.  Typically our email 
users make a FS post, and then when the item sells, they don't reply to 
their own post.  Typically they just email a new post that says "Item X is 
sold, thanks" in the subject line which starts a new, separate thread for 
all the rest of us who view the list as a webpage.  I imagine those folks 
get a lot of emails saying "is Item X still available?" because there's no 
way to know that it's sold when you search the history.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 11:14:00 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> sometimes i'll delete FS posts because even though I say that it is sold, 
> I would still get emails inquiring if it was still available.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[Philip Kim]

sometimes i'll delete FS posts because even though I say that it is sold, I 
would still get emails inquiring if it was still available.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:51:45 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I like when the old FS posts are left up (with a final SOLD post), for two 
> reasons. Three reasons. 
> 1. It helps people price their own hard-to-price for sale items.
> 2. Seeing the "This message has been deleted" on a grayed-out post 
> distresses me. It usually means someone was WAY out of hand, but sometimes 
> people seem to just delete their posts for no reason. Bugs my OCD. 
> 3. Many FS posts spin out into very interesting comparisons and deep 
> knowledge of very esoteric parts or Rivendell history. 
>
> My three cents,
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com  
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joseph - 
>>
>> I am the moderator - there's only one.  If you ever have a question about 
>> non-RBW things, feel free to contact me using the "Contact Moderator" 
>> button.
>>
>> It's probably been a while since I posted an explicit reminder to the 
>> group, but when replying to FS/FT/WTB/WTT/etc. posts, you should contact 
>> the poster directly. That prevents accidental sharing of personal 
>> information to the group at large.  This is a publicly searchable/viewable 
>> group, so if someone posts a phone number, address and says something like 
>> "but we're going to be out of town for the next two days", there are bad 
>> people who might take advantage of that.  I know you wouldn't do that, but 
>> I'd hate to tell you how many moderated posts contain information which I'd 
>> regard as too personal for public consumption.
>>
>> If you contact the poster directly, that also spares everyone else the 
>> process of having to ignore that thread.  Some folks still do track this 
>> group through email. 
>>
>> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>>
>> I'm thinking people should indicate when something is sold. Editing the 
>> post subject would be good.  Kinda like leaving your campsite a bit cleaner 
>> than how you found it.
>>
>> If they could delete the thread, even better. 
>>
>> Sorry for the initial confusion.  Hope all of that is clear.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> Jim Edgar / cyclofiend
>>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7, Joseph Simmons wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a new member and have joined in order to find a Bike for sale. a 
>>> few questions if I may...
>>>
>>> 1.) I have responded to several FS postings. None have answered! I may 
>>> be new to the group but my money is old and burning a whole in my pocket! 
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> 2.) Many of the Posts tagged "FS" are 6 months to a year old. with a 
>>> final Post...20 down the conversation, it's now sold. Do any of the authors 
>>> or moderator(s) in this group delete Old posts with no current context or 
>>> relevance..as in SOLD
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help or guidance 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Jay Connolly]

Seatpost sold.

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maybe this is a dumb suggestion, but couldn't one simulate cutting off the 
Choco bars by gripping them a bit further forward from the ends. I say this 
because I'm guessing that the "twitchiness" you both describe (a description 
I've never heard about any Riv) maybe is due to the increased leverage from 
gripping the very swept back Choco bars at the end (the natural place one would 
grab, of course.) It seems the swept back bars are, in essence, a lever, and 
the further away from the axis of rotation, the easier (twitchier?) it is to 
turn the wheels. If you notice less response when you move your hands in, then 
shorten the bars. I'm thinking that by moving the seat back, more weight goes 
to the rear wheel, thus the twitchiness could get worse. Full disclosure: I am 
about as far from an engineer or bike designer as I could be. In other words, 
my opinion and 4 bucks will get you a latte, and nothing else.

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[RBW] FS: Steel Fixed Gear (Not Riv)

[Eric Norris]

Apologies for the non-rib content, but I know there’s interest in fixed gear 
riding on this list …

Offered FS is a 1970s Cinelli copy made by Raysport in Mexico. Very nice bike 
that I haven’t ridden in three years. Details here:

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/6299279074.html 
 

I’m open to reasonable offers. Local pickup preferred, but I can ship if needed.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[Philip Williamson]

I like when the old FS posts are left up (with a final SOLD post), for two 
reasons. Three reasons. 
1. It helps people price their own hard-to-price for sale items.
2. Seeing the "This message has been deleted" on a grayed-out post 
distresses me. It usually means someone was WAY out of hand, but sometimes 
people seem to just delete their posts for no reason. Bugs my OCD. 
3. Many FS posts spin out into very interesting comparisons and deep 
knowledge of very esoteric parts or Rivendell history. 

My three cents,
Philip
www.biketinker.com  

On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Hi Joseph - 
>
> I am the moderator - there's only one.  If you ever have a question about 
> non-RBW things, feel free to contact me using the "Contact Moderator" 
> button.
>
> It's probably been a while since I posted an explicit reminder to the 
> group, but when replying to FS/FT/WTB/WTT/etc. posts, you should contact 
> the poster directly. That prevents accidental sharing of personal 
> information to the group at large.  This is a publicly searchable/viewable 
> group, so if someone posts a phone number, address and says something like 
> "but we're going to be out of town for the next two days", there are bad 
> people who might take advantage of that.  I know you wouldn't do that, but 
> I'd hate to tell you how many moderated posts contain information which I'd 
> regard as too personal for public consumption.
>
> If you contact the poster directly, that also spares everyone else the 
> process of having to ignore that thread.  Some folks still do track this 
> group through email. 
>
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
> Yes. People should indicate when something is sold. 
>
> I'm thinking people should indicate when something is sold. Editing the 
> post subject would be good.  Kinda like leaving your campsite a bit cleaner 
> than how you found it.
>
> If they could delete the thread, even better. 
>
> Sorry for the initial confusion.  Hope all of that is clear.
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / cyclofiend
>
> On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7, Joseph Simmons wrote:
>>
>> I am a new member and have joined in order to find a Bike for sale. a few 
>> questions if I may...
>>
>> 1.) I have responded to several FS postings. None have answered! I may be 
>> new to the group but my money is old and burning a whole in my pocket! Am I 
>> missing something?
>>
>> 2.) Many of the Posts tagged "FS" are 6 months to a year old. with a 
>> final Post...20 down the conversation, it's now sold. Do any of the authors 
>> or moderator(s) in this group delete Old posts with no current context or 
>> relevance..as in SOLD
>>
>> Thank you for any help or guidance 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Bill Lindsay]

"Wow.  If I were trying to conjure the most UnRiv fork 
 imaginable, I wouldn't even get here!"

Yes, the ONLY reason I posted photos of it here was because I found it 
hysterical that it says "Just Ride" on it.  I'm imagining the venn diagram, 
with a Just Ride sliver as the only intersection.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Paul Clifton]

That's a freaking cool fork/bike Bill.

I couldn't begin to imagine how it worked, so I looked up this video, if 
anyone else is curious:
https://youtu.be/3QeCFgVuy8E

It's hard to imagine that the wheel/brakes are just attached to the fork by 
those 12 bars of bent carbon fiber. Amazing!

Paul

On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 10:56:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A while back we talked about the front end of my Niner RLT9.  I've settled 
> on that bike being the bike I will use for the Marin Mountains 200k brevet 
> on October 14th.  It's going to be ~130 miles with ~35 miles off-road and 
> ~13000ft of climbing.  I'm pretty intimidated by those numbers, and a 
> couple things fell into place that I took a pretty major pre-emptive strike 
> on the equipment front.  Here's some background:
>
> Pretty much everyone agrees on the following:
> 1.  rim-brakes are perfectly fine for >90% of the stuff we do with bikes
> 2.  disc brakes cover the other 10%
> 3.  hydraulic disc brakes are more powerful than mechanicals
> 4.  hydraulic discs are powerful enough to shift a QR wheel, so through 
> axles are becoming dominant
>
> Our little niche holds the opinions that
>
> 5.  a compliant flexy front fork is preferable for comfort and helps with 
> traction as well
> 6.  hydraulic disc brakes require builders to use beefier construction 
> than a flexy compliant fork would employ
>
> I find that:
>
> 7. the carbon rigid fork on my Niner RLT9 is great that it takes racks and 
> fenders, but it's STIFF.  
>
> There are several bikes out there that try to give you a fork that soaks 
> up the bumps but can handle the forces of disc braking.  There are many who 
> have concluded you simply can't have both.  It's either strong enough for 
> discs and it's stiff, or it's flexy and you use rim brakes.  What I wanted 
> was a through axle fork that softened up the front end like a compliant 
> frenchy fork, but still allows me to use my hydraulic disc brakes.  I was 
> able to jump through a couple hoops and obtained for myself the nicest 
> Icelandic bike part I've ever seen, a Lauf Grit fork for my Niner RLT9:
>
>
> 
>
>
> It's a full carbon 30mm travel suspension fork with no moving parts.  It's 
> suspended with a dozen flat carbon leaf springs.  (lauf means leaf in 
> celandic).  I haven't gotten the bike out on a meaningful ride, but I got 
> the work finished up tonight.  I'm counting on this fork to take the edge 
> off the off-road sections so I can persevere through the Marin Mountains 
> 200k.  I'll have to go without a handlebar bag, and I can't run a front 
> fender with this fork.  
>
> The event still promises to involve some dusk-to-night riding, so I was 
> not willing to lose my dynamo lighting.  Two major Riv-Content items are 
> this post.  The first is this:  Using part of my Berthoud Decaleur, a 
> Sheldon Nut, and some Nitto Parts I pieced together a front dynamo lamp 
> holder.  
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> The second Riv-content item is that this Icelandic/German/Taiwan carbon 
> suspension fork has a slogan printed on it on the leading edge of the fork 
> crown.  That slogan is:  Just Ride.  You can see it if you zoom in.  
>
>
> I'm going to go on a couple explorational pre-rides on the Marin Mountains 
> 200 route to try things out.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> 
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 11:36:14 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Bill M asked how my Niner handles with a front load. 
>>
>> The Niner handles great with a front load, in my opinion.  I wouldn't 
>> hesitate to use it as a rando bike or even a touring or bikepacking bike
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Platform Pedals

[ChrisB]

Hi All, I have wide feet and prefer a thin, flat sole in my shoes. The RMX 
pedal that Riv sells is good but the best I've found is the Hope F20 Flat 
Pedal. It's well made (the bearings seem fantastic), thin and light for 
such a large pedal (100mm wide and 110mm front to rear). It has a very 
shallow curve (almost flat), no right angles to dig into soles, and the 
machined ridges work well in wet weather without pins (never put them in 
through many wet commutes). Overhaul kits are available and, to my eye, in 
the silver-anodised color, they look as good as any pedal out there. Like 
most good things, though, they aren't cheap. Regards, Chris

On Sunday, 3 September 2017 16:31:41 UTC+1, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Just like the subject implies, what are your favorite platform pedals and 
> why?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

BTW, looking at the Rivbike geometry charts 
, I would say it is pretty close to 
the exact geometry of the 61cm Roadeo 
. You may 
notice the price of the Roadeo, and compare that to mine.

FYI, tires aren't that great. Lots of tread (really, I didn't ride this 
bike), but the sidewalls are going.


On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 9:46:48 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Some nibbles, but no transaction yet. Adam Smith says I need to lower the 
> price on this 22lbs go-fast bike.
>
> So $2100 shipped, but I'll also include either a Brooks Professional 
> saddle OR B17, your choice. Drop in price $100 and $100 value added, not 
> bad!
>
> $2000 local pick up. Payment via Paypal F or a paper check.
>
> If no interest at this price point, I guess I can try ebay. Maybe sell to 
> one of those $100 water bottle people!!!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:38 AM, cyclotourist  
> wrote:
>
>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to mount, 
>>ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>
>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>
>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I mentioned, 
>> it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been riding 
>> almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride roads, I 
>> am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B tires. If 
>> I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with thicker tubing 
>> and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as well...
>>
>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>
>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one of 
>> multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar low 
>> miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>> part) on roads. 
>>
>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>
>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like the 
>> Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>
>> More pics on request!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>
>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow.  If I were trying to conjure the most UnRiv fork 
 imaginable, I wouldn't even get here! I 
admire your quest to find the do-it-all disc fork. Also envious of your 
sabbatical and your 10/200 challenge. It should put you in good stead for 
the Marin Mountains 200. (I thought a while back you claimed to be more of 
a mechanic than a rider?! Perhaps I mis-remember.)

 I will say that I recently did a ride with similar challenges, the D2R2 
.
 
For various reasons, I elected to do the 115k, not the full monty180k. 
However, the shorter version still featured almost 8,000 feet of climbing, 
and 90% on dirt roads, about 7% singletrack.

After considering doing it on my Trekendell (poor man's Atlantis?) 
 I tackled it on my 1970s mongrel 
Takara, which I suppose could be considered a poor man's AHH (same tire 
clearances, OLD [after spreading a la Sheldon's 2x4 method], chainstay 
length, relaxed geo). Actual Riv content includes Baggins bag, Newbaum's, 
water bottles (not shown). Of course I did have my magic Merrell sandals. I 
can say for me, this bike and its 70s-era technology was more that 
enough--comfortable, great handling on the sometimes hairy decents, as fast 
as I could wish.

Best with your 200 challenge and your 200 brevet.











On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 10:56:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A while back we talked about the front end of my Niner RLT9.  I've settled 
> on that bike being the bike I will use for the Marin Mountains 200k brevet 
> on October 14th.  It's going to be ~130 miles with ~35 miles off-road and 
> ~13000ft of climbing.  I'm pretty intimidated by those numbers, and a 
> couple things fell into place that I took a pretty major pre-emptive strike 
> on the equipment front.  Here's some background:
>
> Pretty much everyone agrees on the following:
> 1.  rim-brakes are perfectly fine for >90% of the stuff we do with bikes
> 2.  disc brakes cover the other 10%
> 3.  hydraulic disc brakes are more powerful than mechanicals
> 4.  hydraulic discs are powerful enough to shift a QR wheel, so through 
> axles are becoming dominant
>
> Our little niche holds the opinions that
>
> 5.  a compliant flexy front fork is preferable for comfort and helps with 
> traction as well
> 6.  hydraulic disc brakes require builders to use beefier construction 
> than a flexy compliant fork would employ
>
> I find that:
>
> 7. the carbon rigid fork on my Niner RLT9 is great that it takes racks and 
> fenders, but it's STIFF.  
>
> There are several bikes out there that try to give you a fork that soaks 
> up the bumps but can handle the forces of disc braking.  There are many who 
> have concluded you simply can't have both.  It's either strong enough for 
> discs and it's stiff, or it's flexy and you use rim brakes.  What I wanted 
> was a through axle fork that softened up the front end like a compliant 
> frenchy fork, but still allows me to use my hydraulic disc brakes.  I was 
> able to jump through a couple hoops and obtained for myself the nicest 
> Icelandic bike part I've ever seen, a Lauf Grit fork for my Niner RLT9:
>
>
> 
>
>
> It's a full carbon 30mm travel suspension fork with no moving parts.  It's 
> suspended with a dozen flat carbon leaf springs.  (lauf means leaf in 
> celandic).  I haven't gotten the bike out on a meaningful ride, but I got 
> the work finished up tonight.  I'm counting on this fork to take the edge 
> off the off-road sections so I can persevere through the Marin Mountains 
> 200k.  I'll have to go without a handlebar bag, and I can't run a front 
> fender with this fork.  
>
> The event still promises to involve some dusk-to-night riding, so I was 
> not willing to lose my dynamo lighting.  Two major Riv-Content items are 
> this post.  The first is this:  Using part of my Berthoud Decaleur, a 
> Sheldon Nut, and some Nitto Parts I pieced together a front dynamo lamp 
> holder.  
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> The second Riv-content item is that this Icelandic/German/Taiwan carbon 
> suspension fork has a slogan printed on it on the leading edge of the fork 
> crown.  That slogan is:  Just Ride.  You can see it if you zoom in.  
>
>
> I'm going 

[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[Philip Kim]

Looks fun! I missed it this year, but at least it was a nice day! Last year 
the heat really got to me, and I had to turn back after a pit stop as well.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:26:02 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the great pictures, John.  I'm really glad to have met you 
> and everyone on the ride--what a nice group.
>
> I wasn't able to get past the first 8 miles of "hills," so I turned back 
> about 8 miles in. That's 8 miles of uphill, only steep in one area--the 
> last--, but never ending slight incline the first 7.5 miles.  I ride in 
> flat, flat Philadelphia and am not used to inclines.  Deacon Patrick, I tip 
> my riding helmet to you!  
>
> Still lots of fun and good conversation.  The ride and the day was great 
> for us up "north." I hope no one in the south was hit too hard with Irma.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-4, John G wrote:
>
>> Perfect weather and fine folks make for a good time.
>>  1 Hubbuhhubbuh, 2 Hunqapilars, 1 Atlantis, 1 Joe Appaloosa, 1 Haro Mary 
>> XC, 1 Brompton, 1 Crust Romanceur, 1 Quickbeam
>>
>> I took a few photos:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14612032@N00/sets/72157686498243834
>>
>> Cheers,
>>  John G, Union Bridge, MD
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>>>
>>> Bump, for those who may have missed this and might be interested. 
>>> Tomorrow should be a beautiful day for a ride in MD. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Tan Hub Area Bags (pair)

[Bruce K Jamison]

For sale one pair of tan hub area bags and Irish straps.Great 
condition.   $90 shipped to lower 48, net to me.  Mail a check or use one 
of the new bank transfer methods (QuickPay or whatever) or add $ to cover 
PayPal fees.   

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s5o9wbpj6nfeq28/AACPUgrIbeWVynRuRO7d7bCNa?dl=0


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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[REC]

Thanks for all the great pictures, John.  I'm really glad to have met you 
and everyone on the ride--what a nice group.

I wasn't able to get past the first 8 miles of "hills," so I turned back 
about 8 miles in. That's 8 miles of uphill, only steep in one area--the 
last--, but never ending slight incline the first 7.5 miles.  I ride in 
flat, flat Philadelphia and am not used to inclines.  Deacon Patrick, I tip 
my riding helmet to you!  

Still lots of fun and good conversation.  The ride and the day was great 
for us up "north." I hope no one in the south was hit too hard with Irma.

Roberta

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-4, John G wrote:

> Perfect weather and fine folks make for a good time.
>  1 Hubbuhhubbuh, 2 Hunqapilars, 1 Atlantis, 1 Joe Appaloosa, 1 Haro Mary 
> XC, 1 Brompton, 1 Crust Romanceur, 1 Quickbeam
>
> I took a few photos:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14612032@N00/sets/72157686498243834
>
> Cheers,
>  John G, Union Bridge, MD
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>>
>> Bump, for those who may have missed this and might be interested. 
>> Tomorrow should be a beautiful day for a ride in MD. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[John G]

Oh, and Alyssa on her Seven joined us at the ice cream stop and returned 
with us.

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 10:09:43 AM UTC-4, John G wrote:
>
> Perfect weather and fine folks make for a good time.
>  1 Hubbuhhubbuh, 2 Hunqapilars, 1 Atlantis, 1 Joe Appaloosa, 1 Haro Mary 
> XC, 1 Brompton, 1 Crust Romanceur, 1 Quickbeam
>
> I took a few photos:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14612032@N00/sets/72157686498243834
>
> Cheers,
>  John G, Union Bridge, MD
>
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 3:27:20 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>>
>> Bump, for those who may have missed this and might be interested. 
>> Tomorrow should be a beautiful day for a ride in MD. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[John G]

Perfect weather and fine folks make for a good time.
 1 Hubbuhhubbuh, 2 Hunqapilars, 1 Atlantis, 1 Joe Appaloosa, 1 Haro Mary 
XC, 1 Brompton, 1 Crust Romanceur, 1 Quickbeam

I took a few photos:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14612032@N00/sets/72157686498243834

Cheers,
 John G, Union Bridge, MD


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>
> Bump, for those who may have missed this and might be interested. Tomorrow 
> should be a beautiful day for a ride in MD. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ron Mc]

It's time to quit Toshi - building another bike after this one would be 
pointless - she's perfect.  

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I picked up the custom on Saturday, and it is really perfect for me.  It 
> feels fast in handling, extremely responsive to weight shifts, but feels 
> stable.  The top tube is about the same length as the Roadeo, so the drops 
> feel extremely comfortable, and the bars are set up high so I will feel 
> really comfortable on long distance rides. 
>
> I am greatly honored by all of the work that Mark put into building up the 
> bike.  It has many thoughtful features that I hope to highlight later in 
> pictures, and the dynamo wiring was a nightmare that he fully tamed and 
> organized on the bike.  I feel extremely fortunate and lucky to have 
> received the kind of effort and attention along every step of the way that 
> was necessary to receive this bike.  
>
> --I offer this first photo of the custom quickly taken with my phone.  I 
> promise more pictures and closeups at a later date.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

that is a beauty

On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I picked up the custom on Saturday, and it is really perfect for me.  It 
> feels fast in handling, extremely responsive to weight shifts, but feels 
> stable.  The top tube is about the same length as the Roadeo, so the drops 
> feel extremely comfortable, and the bars are set up high so I will feel 
> really comfortable on long distance rides. 
>
> I am greatly honored by all of the work that Mark put into building up the 
> bike.  It has many thoughtful features that I hope to highlight later in 
> pictures, and the dynamo wiring was a nightmare that he fully tamed and 
> organized on the bike.  I feel extremely fortunate and lucky to have 
> received the kind of effort and attention along every step of the way that 
> was necessary to receive this bike.  
>
> --I offer this first photo of the custom quickly taken with my phone.  I 
> promise more pictures and closeups at a later date.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Brand New Lugged S84 Seatpost

[Jay Connolly]

Lowering the price on this significantly to move it -- 115 USD (net to me), 
shipped.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pleased by longish life from tires and chain; chain life under the pure paraffin regimen

[Ron Mc]

Patrick has it.  Since I've switched to Wippermann stainless chains and 
molten speed wax, I won't be doing anything else, with exception of using 
Clean Ride bottle lube to extend me to the next clean/wax cycle.  The 
$18/lb for Molten Speed Wax sounds expensive, but if your chains are clean 
(ultrasonic) going into the wax bath, a half-pound is good for waxing 8 (or 
more) chains - so I've estimated the pound will get me over 15,000 mi - 
almost 3 years.  

On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With plain paraffin, I was applying it too frequently -- every 100-150 
> miles, because the chain got very noisy, very quickly. With Speed Wax -- 
> we'll see; I just started using the stuff. Ron says that he gets well over 
> 500 miles before he needs to rewax.
>
> Yesterday about 5:30 pm I dragged myself away from a particularly annoying 
> resume to go for a quick ride in the nearby bosque -- sandy dirt trails and 
> irrigation ditch roads. About 3.5 miles into the ride, a SW downpour; fine 
> silty river (Rio Grande thru middle of ABQ) sand quickly became mud. I 
> aimed for home and turned up the gas, but still, when I arrived home some 
> 6.7 miles total, there was grit on the chain despite fenders -- must 
> replace the PB Cascadias with VO Zeppelins.
>
> Rinsed the bike down with gentle hose; chain still seems lubed -- that is, 
> wiping fingers along it, it feels as if it is still waxed, but no more 
> grit. We'll see; hope to ride it again soon.
>
> To answer question 2: gentle hose, top-down. Bounce bike to shed water; 
> air dry -- rather faster here in high desert ABQ, NM, I daresay, than in 
> most places. I hope that, if the Speed Wax is as good as promised, a mere 
> hose wetting won't require re-waxing; at least, wax doesn't "hold" grit the 
> way oil does.
>
> Anne, you might one day consider a hub gear: all the gear bits inside the 
> hub, and only the chain and sprockets to get gritty. The ideal beach bike, 
> I'd guess, would have a hub gear (or fixed ss) with rear coaster and front 
> drum brake, and a full chain case. Can one still buy DL-1s with full, 360* 
> coverage chain cases?
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: First generation Rosco Bubbe Mixte for sale (bump, new pictures)

[Joe Bernard]

The quick answer is to figure where your saddle would sit on a 54cm seatpost, 
then determine if you can reach the bars you like with that virtual toptube 
measurement. I have a 79ish PBH and ride a 52cm Clem L with the same reach with 
chopped Boscos. 

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