Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

I was proud to - drive through Santa Rosa - for a few years. Unfortunately it was because I lived in very conservative Lake County. Bad plan! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

I was proud to call Santa Rosa home for a few years - even prouder now! On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:10:08 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote: > > It’s a sin for YOU to be gay. > I can be gay and married to a man all day long and live a a happy > non-murdered non-shamed non-whatever life

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

Looks amazing. Out of curiosity, why not use a butcher's wax? It's what we use for million dollar outdoor sculptures, fountains, various metal things taking a beating, and it doesn't flake or crack. On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: > > Here's a link to a

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Philip- Are you coming Sunday? If so I’m going to give you a big old hug. -Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

It’s a sin for YOU to be gay. I can be gay and married to a man all day long and live a a happy non-murdered non-shamed non-whatever life because my happiness does not depend on you or your asinine god. Loki and Ganesh are equally irrelevant to me. You are a Pharisee. Your power does not come

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

“The only thing I want more than these handlebars is to have children separated from their parents so everyone knows that this a terrible place and they should never come here!” seems like a sign of mental instability. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Can you imagine cancelling a bike parts order because someone protested children in camps? I cannot imagine being the person who would do this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

We are united, independent, and dependent. I love Patrick, who isn't gay, as much as I love my brother-in-law who is. I feel bad for my role in the bickering, but not for saying what I said. I'm sad that good people are growling over it, but happy to see so many nice comments, too. Everybody's got

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Slàinte mhath, Rusty! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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That Bishop Sheen quote is hilarious! Yea, no one REALLY hates the Catholic Church. Why would they? Wait, what have they been hiding/enabling for decades? Who have they been paying legal fees to defend? And what’s this about Magdalene Laundries? What did Pious XII Do in the 1930’s? Wait, they

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

John, I replied to you off group, but I know that sometimes fails, so wanted to give you a heads up here. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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Joe will you be offering patches for your new fan club? As a group, I think we've handled this conversation rather well considering most online decorum. I'm grateful that the thread was not shut down. Happy 4th everyone. Alex Wirth Rochester, NY -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] choco norms

I’m a tourer/camper and have chocomoose bars on a SH and an old Trek 950. I love them. I get three good grips fur sure, but the normal grip is very comfy so I rarely switch it up. They are my favorite bars so far. Mildly agressive but super comfortable. The bullmoose version feels (obviously)

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

One of my favorite internet essayists, John Michael Greer, addressed what, to me, is the big issue running through this thread--how to leave some slack for other people's beliefs, opinions, lifestyles, world view, what have you--in his weekly post. I think it's worth a read by those

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

I'm happy I am part of this independent group, on an Independence Day, and witness to the struggle for freedom, in our persons, and in society, even among ourselves. There will be deep disagreements. Never assume you are not in a bubble, and that someone else is. Ride On! Bill Gibson Tempe,

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Serial Number Sticker?

I just looked at mine (first run green). It actually has a serial number, but it's very hard to read under the paint. It's oriented the same direction as the 'rivendell' cast letters, and on the opposite side next to the drive-side bb cup. Look hard and see if you can find it. I also

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Dear Eamon, Seriously? You’re are missing my point. However, I’ll explain it as an example. Why is “For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 'good old days” controversial? Two things. First, on the face of it, it dismisses myriad success and contributions and lives of blacks and women

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Damn - where's the old Napster when you need it? On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 7:24:38 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Btw, Wall Of Text is my new band's name. The new Wall Of Text album, Grins > & Bollocks, out now. Steal it wherever digital files are stolen. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

I have resisted wading into this morass thus far but can no longer do so. Patrick: If 1. Tolerance for gender identities which don't match your own, 2. Supporting women's rights to choose what happens to their own bodies, & 3. Social programs for those less

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Btw, Wall Of Text is my new band's name. The new Wall Of Text album, Grins & Bollocks, out now. Steal it wherever digital files are stolen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Thank You Patrick. Slainté On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and > reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. > Happy and blessed Independence Day! >

[RBW] Quickbeam Serial Number Sticker?

Hi all, Went to record my serial number on a Quickbeam and noticed the number was printed on a sticker and not stamped into the bottom bracket shell. Anyone else have this on other models? Have you done anything to permanently mark the number into the frame? Seems too easy to remove the

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Patrick, if you find the statement "For blacks, women, and gays, there were no 'good old days." controversial or offensive, I respectfully ask that you consider whether you need to recalibrate YOUR controversy sensor. Eamon Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Thanks, all! Aye, Jon. It takes some searching to find them, and they are smaller than most years so far. It was funny, I wished a group of women hiking a “Happy Independence Day!” as I climbed, they lamented the lack of fireworks, and I said, “You got all kinds of fireworks on your hike.” They

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Dear Steve, All I said is these topics are controversial, and you lambast me with vitriol. Your response proves my assertion that these are controversial. Thank you for (inadvertantly) supporting my position that they are controversial. Sardonic grin. The “nothing controversial here” quote is

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

WALLS OF TEXT FOR THE WIN! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Excellent post and change of discussion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Sigh, it is only this thread, that has gone off the bike tires and into politics. There are lots of other threads. If you *support* the current Republican party, no matter how you paint your moral compass, you are still complicit. Morality is not flexible. There are no grey areas. I tire of

[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Now, that's my kind of fireworks, Patrick! Thanks! On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 3:01:34 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and > reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. > Happy and blessed

[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

A 23t chainring will run the chain at a 2mm smaller radius than a 24t chainring. I looked at the 24t chainring I have on a Sugino XD, and the chain already runs so close to the mounting posts on the crank that the chainring bolts to that a 23t chainring wouldn't work as the chain would

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

If I get the last spot on the committe and can't make it to a meeting, Phillip gets my spot. If Phillip and I are running against one another, I'd vote for Phillip. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Philip Williamson < philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote: > I’d like to be on the monetary committee.

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

Great job, Marty! I take it you were board? You nailed it! Though it may have seemed just like screwing around to you. Enjoy your well earned holy leasure! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

On 07/04/2018 05:37 PM, Ryan Merrill wrote: Quite frankly, I have to question someone's morality if they still support Trump and his policies. I personally know a lot of republicans who do not support him anymore. From the Washington Post today

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

>From Grant’s blagh: “Nothing in here is controversial” Oxford Dictionary defines “Controversial” as: likely to give rise to public disagreement Grant, there are at least three obvious controversial topics in your Blagh: 1) gays/LTBGQ/Gender/Marriage/Identity; 2) reproductive

[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

That looks magical. Beautiful and durable. My two favorite things. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Thanks to Joe for doing the heavy lifting on this thread. And thanks, again, to Grant for being smart, ethical, and reasonable. It's not political to understand, point out, and act on the real effects of inequality in our country. Also, happy to order a bunch of stuff today in support of Grant

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Quite frankly, I have to question someone's morality if they still support Trump and his policies. I personally know a lot of republicans who do not support him anymore. On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 12:57:23 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Clayton, you asked that no one respond but

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

I'm in and out of town for the next couple weeks too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Amazing beauty Patrick. Even in our time of severe drought. Thanks for sharing. Have a continued wonderful 4th. Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

I’d like to be on the monetary committee. I just sold my dad’s coin trove (6.2 kg of pocket change from before 1965). I kept a handful of Mercury Dimes, a couple different Liberty silver dollars, and a Buffalo Nickel. Man, that was good money! Not sure if I’m in favor of non-US nationals on our

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

I like the Nitto cap Riv sold (sells?). Maybe not the best for super sunny days--I do have others. On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:25:45 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Maybe Grant is too modest to suggest the obvious, but I'm not: A Hunqapillar head badge rewicked into a coin or center oval portion on paper currency. How could anyone not agree on that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] choco norms

Just back from a 40mi ride with them. I’d say they aren’t a sub for drops but perhaps for mstach. Less foward reach in the curve than stach I think. I’d say 4 hand positions, ends, just in front of the brakes (or on the clamp), in the hooks/curves, and the straight section next to the stem.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Thank you, Grant, for the image of a coin with Pooh's butt on the obverse. This is a genuinely optimistic vision for an American future. Everybody read the new Blahg post, and reconvene. Have a Safe and Sane Fourth of July, y'all. rod On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Grant @

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

Thanks Patrick, that was lovely. Kent Peterson Eugene, Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. Happy and blessed Independence Day! https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ooo-ah With abandon, Patrick www.CredoFamily.org

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

On 07/04/2018 06:27 AM, Richard wrote: IMHO, not that anyone is asking, Grant should separate his politics from his business. Though you would never know it from this google group, not all purchasers of Rivendell bikes, myself included, share his political leanings. Older consumers tend

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

I unfortunately will be out of town this weekend, but I'm in for a meetup and ride sometime. On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:48:55 AM UTC-4, MattB wrote: > > Virgil, My description was very awkward, its an Atlantis painted in the > original Hilborne orange color. It's widely understood that

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

+1 to the Randi Jo caps. I have a Paul-branded one, and it's really lightweight and has a nice wide brim for my satellite-dish face. On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 3:00:55 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote: > > This year I’ve been wearing a Shelta hat > https://www.sheltahats.com/products/the-firebird > The

[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

It looks great. Finally we have something we all agree on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

This year I’ve been wearing a Shelta hat https://www.sheltahats.com/products/the-firebird The front brim is stiff like a ball cap while the surrounding wide brim is soft like a Tilley. So far, it stays on my head at 20+ mph descents and keeps sun off my ears and neck. They have different

[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

thanks all Re: 23T not being in use for a reason with 74 bcd, I get that, but also thinking that perhaps aluminum strength and precision cutting may have changed since the standards were set. After setting up my SH as a 1x (with a manual bailout granny)...I'm actually going back to a triple. I

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

There's a new BLAHG up, and it'll be up thru the weekend. On the surface it may seem to be adding fuel to the fire, etc., but if you wade thru the whole thing (as I have!), I don't think you'll find too much controversy in it. Grant "Possibly Incredibly Naive" Petersen On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at

[RBW] choco norms

I get two positions, but I cut an inch off the ends so it's my fault I lost one. The grip and curves work just like Moustache/Albastache, but with mtb-ish levers/grips and without the forward reach. I like 'em. https://photos.app.goo.gl/NmXCbvDKbxuxwrmL2 Joe Bernard Novato CA. -- You

[RBW] choco norms

Talk to me about choco norms. >From those who have actually ridden them, do they really offer 3 hand positions that are useful? Could they be a replacement for a drop or mustache rider? I'm asking because, I'm considering using them for my S.H. rebuild which currently has noodles. I have a

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

I used to wear a Tilley, but the air flow noise and loosing them because I took them off for fast descents (flapping and noise) and they found they way free (at one-two a year, that gets pricy) I switched to a cycling cap. Wool from www.Walz.com. Four ply boiled wool hat over it in winter.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

My best friend is a Republican. I don't traffic in "all members of a particular party are bad" BS, I object to THIS policy from THIS president..who isn't even a real Republican. He was a liberal Democrat 15-20 years ago, and would have stayed there if he could've found a foothold. But Putin and

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Clayton, you asked that no one respond but your opening made me comment. I am sorry for the past circumstances of your life. As a mother myself I can only feel compassion for children and those that had difficult childhoods I feel the need to draw the line at painting all Republicans as evil

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

I'll second the Halo cycling products with their sweat seal functionality. I generally bike with a cotton cycling cap, but I'll put on my Halo sweatband when I know it'll be hot, and I'll be hoofing it. The sweatband redirects sweat away from

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Well, I’m starting to hate everyone who keeps posting. including myself now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

"With people like you Joe I'm surprised anyone stays..." People love me, man..it's like a freakin' Joe Bernard Fan Club around here. Deal with it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

> > Here's a link to the plans - or at least a link to the link. Might cost > you a couple bucks. If anyone gets close to making a pair, let me know and > I can let you in on a couple things I learned. FYI, I have most of the > right tools for the job, like a bandsaw, drill press, router and

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

I wear a Halo brand skull cap (white) with it's built-in sweatband with a Patagonia Duckbill visor. The Duckbill Hats are too shallow and are mesh on top, so the Halo cap with the Duckbill visor version makes for a 2-piece hat. The Duckbill hats and visors have much wider visor than any

Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

Mostly I wear caps from the Walz Velo/City collection. They are wool (for the most part anyway) which you'd think would be hot hear in Hawaii (and on RAGBRAI and mainland rides). I like the bigger visor over normal cycling caps and, being wool, they don't start stinking right away on tours. Bob

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

To the Republican members of this group, As a sixty two year old man, who still suffers from the effects of child abuse, child neglect and abandonment, I say without any reservation, and with great passion, that taking children away from their parents is one hundred percent wrong. The children

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

tilley hat when sunny or a beanie when cold, and mostly nothing. clayton scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

(Damn. I'm all thumbs trying to type with my thumbs.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

What the hell is wrong with posting on an open thread? If no one was suppose to post, why wasn't the thread closed? And who the hell are you Joe Bernard to tell me I can't post? I don't visit this group much, but so what? With people like you Joe I'm surprised anyone stays... Patrick, your

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Patrick, Thank you for the thoughtful response. I definitely disagree with several of your opinions but hearing your point of view is important. We can’t all just sit in our echo chamber and need more civil discourse in our society and thoughtful debate. I hope the thread or the tone of this

[RBW] OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

Lovely setting (and sitting). Bike building and wood working go hand in hand. Hatchets, sling shots and carving wooden knives! Nicely done. Happy 4th! Best, Rich -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

"Very thoughtful and well written post Deacon." It's Patrick; deacon is the thing Patrick does at church. You showed up here a week late to troll a dead thread and don't even know who Deacon Patrick is. Also, you don't like Rivendells anymore and won't shop there, but you have business advice

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

Randi Jo fabrications caps rule. The linen caps are thin and cool, and their XL cap is actually big! -Kai BKNY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

What do you wear for a cap? Looking for cool in hot weather and good vision under visor in drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

Super cool!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

Nice, Marty. There's nothing like a woodworking project (well, maybe bike build) completed and ready for you to continue enjoying. Happy Fourth! Steve On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 7:40:42 PM UTC-4, MartyG wrote: > > Like many of us I suspect, we have projects we have every intention of >

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

Very cool! On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 4:06:17 PM UTC-4, Takashi wrote: > > Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: >> >> A steel moose stem with removable faceplates >> >

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

What a great project...and a great result. It looks fantastic! Rusty On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: > > Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish: > https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html > -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

Thanks for the info. I got a black X2. July 4 15% off sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Just give it up Richard , and everyone else "trying" to get their little "last jab" in because "an ending" is not the intent, a continuance of the back-and-forth "fight against" is a never ending accusing of the other by excusing oneself for throwing the "last jab". It's really

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Just one more post.. I can't help myselflike the little kid trying to get the last word in:) Very thoughtful and well written post Deacon. Please continue to speak your mind. I'm in agreement with you on the need to protect the unborn. With recent events unfolding, I feel we're going

[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

The close up photos are nice but a photo of the whole bike would be good, too. On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: > > Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish: > https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html > -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

Phil K- Have you tried the Fairweather All road bars? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To