[RBW] Not so permanent Basket + Rack

[Vincent Tamer]

Anyone got any ideas for a detachable wald setup? I love baskets in the 
practical sense but I think my favorite Riv Bike setup is med Saddle sack in 
back and a track sack up front. It has a classy feel. 

Do you think some kind of strap, either Irish or Voile/ski strap, would make a 
good way of securing a basket for light and even med loads? This way it can be 
removed or installed easily. I’m gonna try it this weekend but I’m curious if 
any one else has. 

I will certainly be careful in light of all this nitto basket rack hubbub

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[RBW] Sackville BagBoy

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great to me. Love it!

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[RBW] Sackville BagBoy

[iamkeith]

Yep.  I got a small recently which is fantastic, but that extra depth would 
make it almost perfect.  Here's to hoping it makes its way into additional 
colorways.  Like brown.

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[RBW] Re: Cycling into your golden years

[tc]

Talk about inspirational!  Thanks!

Tom

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 6:50:25 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I stumbled across this most darling video on Facebook. This is the goal, 
> folks! File this under Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson.
>
> So glad to be amongst like-minded folks on here! Enjoy.
>
>
> https://www.sunlife.co.uk/life-cover/over-50-life-insurance/welcome-to-life-after-50/cycling-in-tandem-for-over-60-years/
>
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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

[john Bokman]

Andy, I didn’t realize the Braemar had pit zips? I don’t see this detail on 
their specifications page. Pit zips would certainly help in airflow no matter 
what the fabric.

You have the DV or the Hybrid?

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:02 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> I didn't option my Braemar with side zips, I get how they could be helpful 
> when getting out of the smock/anorak. Available on the customization options 
> for 50 BSP. As airflow is concerned, with my neck zip down and the pit zips 
> opened up, ventilation is not an issue. Certainly not for the complication 
> and $65 of the option. I vote with entropy; avoid unnecessary complexities to 
> assure prolonged baseline function.
> 
> I am very pleased with my garment and simply ecstatic to have found something 
> that is not synthetic, crunchy, stiff, and noisy. My experiences with 
> technical shells has been highlighted by inferior water repelling 
> performance, poor vapor ventilation, and lack of sustained function or 
> durability under regular use. I think my 2-3 year cycle of disappointment 
> with shell jackets is over now.
> 
> I picked red as Patrick did for the visibility practicality. I have both a 
> reflective mesh Nathan safety vest and reflective Tuvizo belt/shoulder strap 
> rig to wear on top if my visibility concerns are greater than that. 
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 8:57:06 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks Patrick and Andy for your assistance. Very interesting about the 
> coloration of cottons. I had no idea.
> 
> I’m not one who would wear “neon” green or yellow, but I’m partial to a 
> “warm” color like orange or red to be seen on the road.
> 
> Guys: Do you have size zips for your smock? I would suspect they’d not only 
> help with removal but with allowing more airflow?
> 
> I assume with the weight of the smock being over 2#, I would only need a thin 
> layer underneath and I’d be plenty warm. Most of my rain season (8 months a 
> year)  riding is done at (wet) temperatures between 35-60 degrees. 
> 
> Any additional comments on your products and use are welcome as I try to make 
> choices. I’m sick and tired of burning through plastics, no matter how 
> “advanced” or “improved”.
>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 4:46 AM, ascpgh gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> John, that's the item I have now, their Braemar smock, in red. 
>> 
>> Fluorescent colors in fabrics are a bit more susceptible to UV degradation 
>> of the pigments that produce the fluorescent color effect. The base fabric 
>> dictates the  necessity of chemical characteristics of a coloring dye, 
>> cotton is one of the hardest to accommodate. If interested: 
>> https://www.aatcc.org/media/Read/Newsletter/archive/2013/01A/The_Perils_and_Pitfalls_of_Dyeing_Neon_Colors.PDF
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Back in my late '80s outdoor retail days, when fluorescent ("neon") colors 
>> ruled ski gear, we had a one day in the window policy for displays. They 
>> were rotated to even the exposure and the merchandisers had worksheets that 
>> were kept by the displays near the UV blocking windows because we observed 
>> fade from brief display in direct sunlight despite the glass choice, even 
>> non-fluorescent colors. 
>> 
>> In that same era Grant wrote in the 1991 Bridgestone catalog about color: 
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 12:19:14 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>> Thanks Patrick! 
>> Interestingly, the 2x Ventile is the same weight as Cotton Analogy. I’d 
>> rather buy all cotton “all things equal” unless there is a clear reason to 
>> do otherwise. I like the smock option best, BTW. Less zipper, perhaps 
>> slightly more cumbersome to put on, but the kangaroo pockets are a real 
>> bonus for me. (I’d upset to the side zips, as well.) 
>> > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote: 
>> > 
>> > John, I’d recommend double ventile or cotton analogy for what you just 
>> > described. Single layer soaks through where horizontal, such as sleeves on 
>> > a bike, or sitting and enjoying a pipe. For blaze orange (or red, which I 
>> > prefer, because it is equally visible, but not flourescent and thus 
>> > bikey/racy and so people seem to be friendlier), I’d email them. 
>> > 
>> > With abandon, 
>> > Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

[Tully Lanter]

And, Patrick, that was a terrific read. Thanks for sharing that linkand 
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one inclined to wax poetic about 
single-speeding!

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Welcome, Tully, to the sub-sub-cycling culture that is Quickbeamhood! Let 
> your bike teach you and you will learn much! Now, go and fix the problem of 
> having a way too clean bike! Grin. Here’s my musings on my Quickbeam after 
> three years (which was a few years ago now): 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings 
>
> John, you DO have exactly the same frame with gears. All bikes come with 
> LCG (lowest common gear), so all bikes, even SS and Fixed come with gears. 
> Grin. I mentioned this to some poor hiker the other day and he couldn’t 
> stop laughing. Heard him the entire time I was in earshot climbing up the 
> hill. I think he may still be there. Maybe I should take food, just in 
> case. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

[Tully Lanter]

Thanks, all. Ample dirty, muddy, meandering to come!

Eric - The maddening thing is that no amount of loosening/tightening the 
springs on either/both arms has done trick. Surely there's a simple 
solution for that simple device, but I'm low on ideas. Fortunately, as long 
as I don't pull the rear lever, it spins freely and gets me to work in the 
mean time!

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 7:30:40 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Welcome, Tully, to the sub-sub-cycling culture that is Quickbeamhood! Let 
> your bike teach you and you will learn much! Now, go and fix the problem of 
> having a way too clean bike! Grin. Here’s my musings on my Quickbeam after 
> three years (which was a few years ago now): 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings 
>
> John, you DO have exactly the same frame with gears. All bikes come with 
> LCG (lowest common gear), so all bikes, even SS and Fixed come with gears. 
> Grin. I mentioned this to some poor hiker the other day and he couldn’t 
> stop laughing. Heard him the entire time I was in earshot climbing up the 
> hill. I think he may still be there. Maybe I should take food, just in 
> case. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] FS: VP Gripsters Dark Grey Pedals

[Eric Karnes]

SOLD.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 9:42:36 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Hi Eric,
> I’m interested, snd $40 is a good deal.
>
> -Jim Warren
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes > 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the last few FS posts, but getting rid of a few parts in 
> preparation for a new build...
>
> VP Gripsters (VP-001) in Dark Grey. Pretty much look like new. I've 
> removed a few of the pins from the front area on top and bottom, which kept 
> them from getting caught on my shoes when starting off. I'll look for the 
> extra pins in my parts bin. How does $40 shipped conus sound?
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Max S]

I’d like it more if the D-rings were positioned in such a way as to allow 
carrying off the bike via a shoulder strap. The Small or the Medium could 
benefit from that as well and would see a ton more use in my case. Just park 
the bike, detach bag, put over the shoulder and go to the office / meeting / 
store... 

- Max “what do they have against carrying the bags?” in A2

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Max S]

Post of the day! Good on you, Hank!!

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paul S: Maybe. Snow and slop quickly accumulate and easily clog things up. 
Here’s my QB on a muddy day, slick tires and fenders: 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/mudbeam-aka-quickbeam-rides-rampart-reservoir/

My personal conclusion is fenders with knobbies are a step too far into the 
asking for trouble and failure department. Mud guards are where it’s at for me. 
A plastic one for the front, and my saddle bag for the back. They don’t clog. 
Plus, added bonus, I get even sloppier! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Welcome, Tully, to the sub-sub-cycling culture that is Quickbeamhood! Let your 
bike teach you and you will learn much! Now, go and fix the problem of having a 
way too clean bike! Grin. Here’s my musings on my Quickbeam after three years 
(which was a few years ago now): 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings

John, you DO have exactly the same frame with gears. All bikes come with LCG 
(lowest common gear), so all bikes, even SS and Fixed come with gears. Grin. I 
mentioned this to some poor hiker the other day and he couldn’t stop laughing. 
Heard him the entire time I was in earshot climbing up the hill. I think he may 
still be there. Maybe I should take food, just in case. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] WTB: Clem L (52) complete

[Surlyprof]

In the recent email notice, Roman said that he and Vince just found two 52 Clem 
L’s in grilver and green.

Good luck!
John

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[RBW] Re: Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

[Joe Bernard]

Garth, has anyone ever asked you wtf you're talking about?

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[RBW] access to grip king bearings

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

To anyone who’s serviced any pedal this seems stupid I’m sure, but...

How do you get at the bearings on a Grip King? Does the gray plasticky cover 
pop off? twist off? magically transmogrify to another dimension?

Is there some special tool about which I should probably already know?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
grip kings on all my bikes: 2 Hillbornes and a Bike Friday

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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

[John G.]

Welcome to ‘Beamhood! I worship mine. Wish I could have the exact same frame 
with gears, though I think part of the Quickbeam’s magic is its simplicity.

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Re: [RBW] FS: VP Gripsters Dark Grey Pedals

[James Warren]

Hi Eric,
I’m interested, snd $40 is a good deal.

-Jim Warren

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the last few FS posts, but getting rid of a few parts in 
> preparation for a new build...
> 
> VP Gripsters (VP-001) in Dark Grey. Pretty much look like new. I've removed a 
> few of the pins from the front area on top and bottom, which kept them from 
> getting caught on my shoes when starting off. I'll look for the extra pins in 
> my parts bin. How does $40 shipped conus sound?
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[RBW] Re: Sackville BagBoy

[Drw]

I like it. if it had side pockets (or even a foldy longflap hood) it would 
be the best bike bag i'd ever seen. I know that would make it like a 
carradice, but the shape is infinitely better. 

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[RBW] FS: VP Gripsters Dark Grey Pedals

[Eric Karnes]

Sorry for the last few FS posts, but getting rid of a few parts in 
preparation for a new build...

VP Gripsters (VP-001) in Dark Grey. Pretty much look like new. I've removed 
a few of the pins from the front area on top and bottom, which kept them 
from getting caught on my shoes when starting off. I'll look for the extra 
pins in my parts bin. How does $40 shipped conus sound?

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[RBW] Cycling into your golden years

[in Dallas nick]

That's a very inspiring story. 





Thanks for sharing. 





Way to go Graeme and Betty! 





Paul in Dallas 





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[RBW] Re: Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

[Garth]

  Oh heck, I don't mean to diminish the idea of such a group Lum .  It would be 
great if every part, no matter what it was, was offered in the  colors you 
wanted without having to compromise at all in any way. I find myself saying 
that as if it's not possible, but says who and who made them any sort of 
authority on "everything" ?  The so called local-authorities, only speak to 
"save their own ass", to keep up the facade of knowing anything more than what 
they see and hear locally. Like a computer can only tell you what it was 
programmed to put out, whether it's universally true or not it could never know 
for again, it's "knowing" is limited to what it's told to "know".  

So just what is possible, what already exists beyond one's own belittling 
beliefs of limitation ? No man knows or will know, that's for sure. Infinity is 
Infinite, afterall and that is undeniable 

Life Rocks !

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[RBW] Re: Shimming middle chainring of sugino XD2 for 10 speed chain?

[KenP]

I had a shifting problem with an XD2; I wanted larger chainrings.  Then the 
chain was dropping between rings.  I tried different rings of different 
brands; The ramped and pinned rings worked better.  Next, Riv sent me some 
small aluminum shims. Plus, I had some shims off another crank. I measured 
them with a micrometer to use all matching thickness; Finally, problem 
completely solved.
Ken P.,Alexandria,Va

  
On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-4, EasyRider wrote:
>
> Riv has said that these cranks aren't 10 speed compatible and others have 
> said it's because the xd2 spider spaces the rings a bit too wide for 10 
> speed setups (either the narrower chain falls into the gap between rings or 
> an indexed FD doesn't push the chain sideways enough to make the shift, or 
> both.)
>
> If I wanted to run the xd2 as a compact double (42/28), do you think using 
> thin washers to shim the middle ring in closer to the granny ring would 
> prevent those 10 speed compatibility issues? I'd leave the outer ring off 
> or get a chain guard.
>
> I ask because I have a bike with 10 speed indexing in need of a new crank 
> and I just found a pair of xd2s in the coop parts bin for $10.
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
>
>

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[RBW] Sackville BagBoy

[Pondero]

One of the reasons, I like Sackville bags is the shape.  The materials and 
details are excellent, and they help make the bags enjoyable to use.  But 
the shape seems to work well for me in terms of "packability".  In other 
words, it seems like some bags (frame bags for example) that have lots of 
cubic inches just can't hold some things.  But that new BagBoy, with its 
boxy shape look like it could hold all kinds of things.  For me, that makes 
it look like it packs bigger than in is.   Kinda like a ShopSack.  I'm 
seriously considering the BagBoy.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

[Garth]

Fwiw , As noted by Rich @riv the hubs are no longer offered. The only thing 
I see a possibility of is maybe a rim for the upcoming mtn. bikey.  The 
parts they do offer seem more out of necessity , even the crank as it is 
offered in lengths unavailable from Sugino, and XD isn't that great of a 
crank at all frankly. 

As for the rest I don't see it happening for 2 reasons: 1. 
Cost(manufacturing, R, lots of parts to $tock, etc.)  and 2. Already 
existing alternatives. 


I'm at the place in my life where I really don't care if all parts are all 
this or that  just parts that work/fit well.  I spend about 0 hours 
contemplating "the looks" of bikes ... no knock on anyone that does. 

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[RBW] Cycling into your golden years

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I stumbled across this most darling video on Facebook. This is the goal, folks! 
File this under Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson.

So glad to be amongst like-minded folks on here! Enjoy.

https://www.sunlife.co.uk/life-cover/over-50-life-insurance/welcome-to-life-after-50/cycling-in-tandem-for-over-60-years/

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[RBW] WTB: Clem L (52) complete

[Kolby]

Holla if you’ve got one to spare 

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[RBW] Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

[Lum Gim Fong]

So far they have made:
Hubs, crankset, brake calipers, chainrings, Shifters.

All we need now are brake levers, headset, bb, rims, cassettes, seatpost, 
stem (maybe the lugged NITTO qualifies).
That would be neat to have an all SILVER build on a Rivendell!

I have a chainring and DT Silver shifters on my bike.

Anyone have the whole group from the first line above?

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

[Lum Gim Fong]

I run my 132.5 dropout Rambouillet at 135.
But it is funny how I have had two sets of 135mm rear wheels and one 
required me to pull out on the 132.5 dropout/chainstays to fit, the other 
fit right in without any chainstay manipulation necessary.
Both were LX hubs, iirc.
The newest one fits just like it was a 132.5 hub. No spreading or pinching 
necessary. Maybe cold set from the first hub I used on there? Maybe LX hub 
width has a 2.5+/- tolerance?

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[RBW] FS: Clem L 59 frameset

[Matt Rhodes]

SOLD

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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tully:

There should be an adjustment on the brakes to align them. On the Tektro Oryx 
cantis on my QB, there’s a little Allen fitting:



You’ll probably need to adjust both sides to get the brakes centered around the 
rim.

--Eric Norris
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@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Tully Lanter  wrote:
> 
> This 58cm Quickbeam is my first personal Riv. It arrived from a list member 
> (thanks!) in early July, just in time to languish on the patio amid the 
> craziness of our first kid's birth that same week. After weeks of sporadic 
> tweaking and waiting on a few small parts, it's about done! 
> 
> Three commutes in, and it rides beautifully--fully up to my (high) 
> expectations. I'm now starting to understanding the whole "smooth yet spry" 
> description I've often read. Quite something!
> 
> I'm particularly happy with how my first tape + shellac attempt turned out. 
> Also a fan of these tidy little PDW fender mounts (per another member's 
> recommendation) that let me mount the rack/basket and fenders cleanly in a 
> single eyelet, both front and rear. All that remains is to adjust the rear 
> brake (the arms don't retract symmetrically, so one pad ends up dragging). 
> I'll also experiment with Albastache bars in the next few weeks, since more 
> leverage and a slightly higher front end would be helpful.
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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

FYI there will be a few of us starting from the shop/City if you want to 
add miles


And day 2 can include a couple different routes for people who want 
something more challenging/spirited.  

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

>
> FYI there will be a few of us starting from the shop/City if you want to 
> add miles
>

 

> We can also have a couple different routes on day 2if people want to 
> make a more challenging or "spirited" effort.
>
 

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 2:44:54 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Hello Northeast Rivs!
>
> There's been hints at getting something going for people in the northeast 
> this year.  This is the "official" invite.  Weigh in if you have interest 
> and we'll make it happen.
>
>
> The general plan:
>
> -Meet in Pittsford, NY
>
> -Day 1  Ride ~30 miles (+/- roughly 1,000 ft elevation) of mixed 
> path/gravel and secondary roads south to this park on Canandaigua Lake:
>
> http://townofcanandaigua.org/portfolio_page.asp?id=2
>
> (Former YMCA camp, bunch of cabins available right now so I don't think we 
> would have any issues making reservations)
>
> -Day 2 ~30 ish mile loop around one of the other lakes, lunch, maybe take 
> in a local brew haus...route TBD.  Return to the camp/cabins.
>
> -Day 3 ~40 miles (+/- 1,000 elevation) back north along a different route. 
> Again a mixed bag of secondary roads and gravel/paths.
>
> Mix in plenty of rest stops, taking in the scenes, leisure, snacks, 
> general merriment. 
>
>
> Could be 10/5, 6, 7  or  10/6, 7, 8  depending upon who has Columbus Day 
> off/group preferences.
>
> Here's a very general route using default google maps routes to give you a 
> flavor of the area...https://goo.gl/maps/3sgU1mjBvM32   Our route would 
> be a little more discerning.
>
> In general I like the cabin idea as it makes the Just Ride ethos very easy 
> and accessible for everyone.   Same with the mileage, 30-40 mile days are 
> accessible for most people even without any prep. There could always be a 
> more camping "epic" fully loaded jambaroo some other time.
>
>
>
> Sowhat do you think?
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
>
> [image: 36063080_1714223618656754_2492650459974598656_n.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hello Northeast Rivs!

There's been hints at getting something going for people in the northeast 
this year.  This is the "official" invite.  Weigh in if you have interest 
and we'll make it happen.


The general plan:

-Meet in Pittsford, NY

-Day 1  Ride ~30 miles (+/- roughly 1,000 ft elevation) of mixed 
path/gravel and secondary roads south to this park on Canandaigua Lake:

http://townofcanandaigua.org/portfolio_page.asp?id=2

(Former YMCA camp, bunch of cabins available right now so I don't think we 
would have any issues making reservations)

-Day 2 ~30 ish mile loop around one of the other lakes, lunch, maybe take 
in a local brew haus...route TBD.  Return to the camp/cabins.

-Day 3 ~40 miles (+/- 1,000 elevation) back north along a different route. 
Again a mixed bag of secondary roads and gravel/paths.

Mix in plenty of rest stops, taking in the scenes, leisure, snacks, general 
merriment. 


Could be 10/5, 6, 7  or  10/6, 7, 8  depending upon who has Columbus Day 
off/group preferences.

Here's a very general route using default google maps routes to give you a 
flavor of the area...https://goo.gl/maps/3sgU1mjBvM32   Our route would be 
a little more discerning.

In general I like the cabin idea as it makes the Just Ride ethos very easy 
and accessible for everyone.   Same with the mileage, 30-40 mile days are 
accessible for most people even without any prep. There could always be a 
more camping "epic" fully loaded jambaroo some other time.



Sowhat do you think?

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

At 102 years old I play to convert to upright bars on most of my large 
Rivendell frames.  
Does height make a difference, since my BPH is 99.5 it would be good to know if 
I might need to make the transition before 100 or after 105.

Ryan “ride whatever feels right” Hankinson
West Michigan.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SOLD: 61 cm Bleriot

[patrick ryan]

SOLD.  Thanks to all for questions, suggestions, and feedback.
Best,
Pat

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 12:07:56 AM UTC-4, patrick ryan wrote:
>
> Fremont, CA until next Saturday, then San Diego. 
>
> On Aug 23, 2018, at 18:26, James Copp  wrote:
>
> Where are you located?
>
> On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 11:42:38 AM UTC-4, patrick ryan wrote:
>>
>> Hello- I have only had this bike for a few months.  It is a bit tall for 
>> me (PBH 89), so am hoping someone will be able to make good use of it.  
>> Comes with basic pedals (one-side SPD), spring bell, nice fenders, two sets 
>> of tires, no saddle, two more sets of new 650b tires (pictured) 
>> negotiable...*$900*.
>> Has one minor blemish on the top tube where (I am presuming) the bar end 
>> shifter rubbed the paint  when the handlebar was turned too far.  More 
>> detailed pictures available upon request.  Thank you.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3434.jpg]
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3432.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3446.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[Kieran J]

I would NEVER ride any bike that was special to me in the winter on salted 
roads, wet or dry. That is a death sentence for your drive train, and 
possibly your steel or aluminum frame over the long run. If your commute is 
22 miles, your bike will suffer. It takes no time for the lower half of 
your bike to get coated in brine, and that's with fenders.

My years of commuting year round in Toronto have given me tons of aversion 
to subjecting a bicycle to winter road conditions. 

KJ


On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Yes, fenderless.
>
> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due to 
> the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
> clock will run out.
>
> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>
> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
> white with dry salt.
>
> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
> fared?
>
> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Have dynamo wheel your Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Update:
Thanks for the info.

I just ordered a 700c Pacenti/edelux widebody 32 hole/Sapim front and a 
700c Pacenti Brevet 32 hole /VO Grand Cru Touring/Sapim rear wheels through 
a local wheelbuilder.

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Andy C.]

Wow, I could have started this exact topic.
I commute on a Canti-Rom with drops and ride recreationally on other bikes 
with drops and one with a Bosco. Neck pain got so bad two months ago that I 
stopped commuting and I haven't started up again. I just purchased an 
Albatross cockpit from a list member but I have yet to install it as I'm 
still holding out for the fountain of youth to return (I'm 54). After all, 
I do see riders older than I in drops all the time.
As I was ramping up my riding this spring I did lots of stretching but 
never thought to stretch my neck. Now I know. Sure, I read about neck pain 
on the Rivbike.com but I always thought, "That would never happen to me."
--Andy C.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 5:33:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

> And you’re no crustier now than you were at 66!  . I need to get up that 
> way and ride with you again. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bar end shifters on Boscos?

[Joe Bernard]

Today I'm chopping handlebars, tomorrow I'm building stretch cruisers 

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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

[ascpgh]

I didn't option my Braemar with side zips, I get how they could be helpful 
when getting out of the smock/anorak. Available on the customization 
options for 50 BSP. As airflow is concerned, with my neck zip down and the 
pit zips opened up, ventilation is not an issue. Certainly not for the 
complication and $65 of the option. I vote with entropy; avoid unnecessary 
complexities to assure prolonged baseline function.

I am very pleased with my garment and simply ecstatic to have found 
something that is not synthetic, crunchy, stiff, and noisy. My experiences 
with technical shells has been highlighted by inferior water repelling 
performance, poor vapor ventilation, and lack of sustained function or 
durability under regular use. I think my 2-3 year cycle of disappointment 
with shell jackets is over now.

I picked red as Patrick did for the visibility practicality. I have both a 
reflective mesh Nathan safety vest and reflective Tuvizo belt/shoulder 
strap rig to wear on top if my visibility concerns are greater than that. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 8:57:06 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick and Andy for your assistance. Very interesting about the 
> coloration of cottons. I had no idea.
>
> I’m not one who would wear “neon” green or yellow, but I’m partial to a 
> “warm” color like orange or red to be seen on the road.
>
> Guys: Do you have size zips for your smock? I would suspect they’d not 
> only help with removal but with allowing more airflow?
>
> I assume with the weight of the smock being over 2#, I would only need a 
> thin layer underneath and I’d be plenty warm. Most of my rain season (8 
> months a year)  riding is done at (wet) temperatures between 35-60 degrees. 
>
> Any additional comments on your products and use are welcome as I try to 
> make choices. I’m sick and tired of burning through plastics, no matter how 
> “advanced” or “improved”.
>
> On Aug 30, 2018, at 4:46 AM, ascpgh > 
> wrote:
>
> John, that's the item I have now, their Braemar smock, in red. 
>
> Fluorescent colors in fabrics are a bit more susceptible to UV degradation 
> of the pigments that produce the fluorescent color effect. The base fabric 
> dictates the  necessity of chemical characteristics of a coloring dye, 
> cotton is one of the hardest to accommodate. If interested: 
> https://www.aatcc.org/media/Read/Newsletter/archive/2013/01A/The_Perils_and_Pitfalls_of_Dyeing_Neon_Colors.PDF
>
> Back in my late '80s outdoor retail days, when fluorescent ("neon") colors 
> ruled ski gear, we had a one day in the window policy for displays. They 
> were rotated to even the exposure and the merchandisers had worksheets that 
> were kept by the displays near the UV blocking windows because we observed 
> fade from brief display in direct sunlight despite the glass choice, even 
> non-fluorescent colors. 
>
> In that same era Grant wrote in the 1991 Bridgestone catalog about color: 
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 12:19:14 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Patrick! 
>> Interestingly, the 2x Ventile is the same weight as Cotton Analogy. I’d 
>> rather buy all cotton “all things equal” unless there is a clear reason to 
>> do otherwise. I like the smock option best, BTW. Less zipper, perhaps 
>> slightly more cumbersome to put on, but the kangaroo pockets are a real 
>> bonus for me. (I’d upset to the side zips, as well.) 
>> > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > John, I’d recommend double ventile or cotton analogy for what you just 
>> described. Single layer soaks through where horizontal, such as sleeves on 
>> a bike, or sitting and enjoying a pipe. For blaze orange (or red, which I 
>> prefer, because it is equally visible, but not flourescent and thus 
>> bikey/racy and so people seem to be friendlier), I’d email them. 
>> > 
>> > With abandon, 
>> > Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, I found the zips to be of minimal use and annoying on the bike, having to 
tuck the front flap under to prevent flapping with each pedal stroke. The 
standard smock easily bunches up a bit at the waist in front, still being 
longer to cover my rear. My newer red smock does not have them and I prefer 
their absence. Ventilation via neck and wrist openings works well.

I of course still sweat when riding, so repenting on temp, under layers get 
damp (similar to a cotton long sleeve shirt on a hot day), and dry out quickly. 
At temps below 40, a fishnet baselayer goes a long way to aiding this moisture 
management.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Shimming middle chainring of sugino XD2 for 10 speed chain?

[EasyRider]

Thanks Patrick, that's great to hear. I'll give it a try.

Pete

 

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 11:19:12 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> With a 10 speed chains, I've only used Sugino and Vuelta, and there is no 
> difference in their performance. 
>
> Note, I use a 42 in the middle position and a 28 in the granny/inside 
> position; no outer (there's a guard there instead). But no problems 
> shifting between the inner 2 rings with 10 speed chains.
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:11 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone. 
>>
>> Patrick, have you found some chainrings better than others on on your 
>> Logic crank? Somewhere -- either here on or iBob -- I read that TA's rings 
>> might work best. I don't have the 42t ring I need so I figure it can't hurt 
>> to get one from Peter White. On the other hand, he indicates that TA's 
>> granny rings might not work with the Sugino XD:
>>
>> *Some triple cranksets have fixed studs to mount the innermost chainring. 
>> For example, Sugino sells quite a few triple cranksets with 110mm x 74mm 
>> bolt circles. A casual glance at the cranks and TA chainrings in those bolt 
>> circles might lead you to think that TA rings will work, but in most cases 
>> they don't, because the fixed mounting studs for the inner 74mm bolt circle 
>> chainring places the ring too far to the inside for use with TA chainrings.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> IME, you might well be lucky and have no problem running 10 speeds with 
>>> old cranks. I'm happily using a 10 speed chain with a 8-speed era Logic 
>>> crank; no problems.
>>>
>>> Friction front shifting, btw.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:58 AM, EasyRider  wrote:
>>>
 Riv has said that these cranks aren't 10 speed compatible and others 
 have said it's because the xd2 spider spaces the rings a bit too wide for 
 10 speed setups (either the narrower chain falls into the gap between 
 rings 
 or an indexed FD doesn't push the chain sideways enough to make the shift, 
 or both.)

 If I wanted to run the xd2 as a compact double (42/28), do you think 
 using thin washers to shim the middle ring in closer to the granny ring 
 would prevent those 10 speed compatibility issues? I'd leave the outer 
 ring 
 off or get a chain guard.

 I ask because I have a bike with 10 speed indexing in need of a new 
 crank and I just found a pair of xd2s in the coop parts bin for $10.

 Pete
 Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Brooks Millbrook Holdall bag - for bars or saddle. new 2018 version, not the olde vinyl version. The nice one they now make.

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Re: [RBW] Shimming middle chainring of sugino XD2 for 10 speed chain?

[Patrick Moore]

With a 10 speed chains, I've only used Sugino and Vuelta, and there is no
difference in their performance.

Note, I use a 42 in the middle position and a 28 in the granny/inside
position; no outer (there's a guard there instead). But no problems
shifting between the inner 2 rings with 10 speed chains.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:11 AM, EasyRider  wrote:

> Thanks everyone.
>
> Patrick, have you found some chainrings better than others on on your
> Logic crank? Somewhere -- either here on or iBob -- I read that TA's rings
> might work best. I don't have the 42t ring I need so I figure it can't hurt
> to get one from Peter White. On the other hand, he indicates that TA's
> granny rings might not work with the Sugino XD:
>
> *Some triple cranksets have fixed studs to mount the innermost chainring.
> For example, Sugino sells quite a few triple cranksets with 110mm x 74mm
> bolt circles. A casual glance at the cranks and TA chainrings in those bolt
> circles might lead you to think that TA rings will work, but in most cases
> they don't, because the fixed mounting studs for the inner 74mm bolt circle
> chainring places the ring too far to the inside for use with TA chainrings.*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> IME, you might well be lucky and have no problem running 10 speeds with
>> old cranks. I'm happily using a 10 speed chain with a 8-speed era Logic
>> crank; no problems.
>>
>> Friction front shifting, btw.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:58 AM, EasyRider  wrote:
>>
>>> Riv has said that these cranks aren't 10 speed compatible and others
>>> have said it's because the xd2 spider spaces the rings a bit too wide for
>>> 10 speed setups (either the narrower chain falls into the gap between rings
>>> or an indexed FD doesn't push the chain sideways enough to make the shift,
>>> or both.)
>>>
>>> If I wanted to run the xd2 as a compact double (42/28), do you think
>>> using thin washers to shim the middle ring in closer to the granny ring
>>> would prevent those 10 speed compatibility issues? I'd leave the outer ring
>>> off or get a chain guard.
>>>
>>> I ask because I have a bike with 10 speed indexing in need of a new
>>> crank and I just found a pair of xd2s in the coop parts bin for $10.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> Arlington, VA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Shimming middle chainring of sugino XD2 for 10 speed chain?

[EasyRider]

Thanks everyone. 

Patrick, have you found some chainrings better than others on on your Logic 
crank? Somewhere -- either here on or iBob -- I read that TA's rings might 
work best. I don't have the 42t ring I need so I figure it can't hurt to 
get one from Peter White. On the other hand, he indicates that TA's granny 
rings might not work with the Sugino XD:

*Some triple cranksets have fixed studs to mount the innermost chainring. 
For example, Sugino sells quite a few triple cranksets with 110mm x 74mm 
bolt circles. A casual glance at the cranks and TA chainrings in those bolt 
circles might lead you to think that TA rings will work, but in most cases 
they don't, because the fixed mounting studs for the inner 74mm bolt circle 
chainring places the ring too far to the inside for use with TA chainrings.*





On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> IME, you might well be lucky and have no problem running 10 speeds with 
> old cranks. I'm happily using a 10 speed chain with a 8-speed era Logic 
> crank; no problems.
>
> Friction front shifting, btw.
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:58 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> Riv has said that these cranks aren't 10 speed compatible and others have 
>> said it's because the xd2 spider spaces the rings a bit too wide for 10 
>> speed setups (either the narrower chain falls into the gap between rings or 
>> an indexed FD doesn't push the chain sideways enough to make the shift, or 
>> both.)
>>
>> If I wanted to run the xd2 as a compact double (42/28), do you think 
>> using thin washers to shim the middle ring in closer to the granny ring 
>> would prevent those 10 speed compatibility issues? I'd leave the outer ring 
>> off or get a chain guard.
>>
>> I ask because I have a bike with 10 speed indexing in need of a new crank 
>> and I just found a pair of xd2s in the coop parts bin for $10.
>>
>> Pete
>> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[ascpgh]

Plenty of road treatment in the winter precipitation here, it's cheaper 
than plows to clear the accumulation and less damaging (read: less costly) 
to patched roads come springtime. Dry salty winter roads are a momentary 
status quickly overcome by the effect of the next precipitation or cycle of 
thawing temps and sunshine.

 I bought a sacrificial anode Disc Trucker commuter for those special 
purpose, and put VO Zeppelin aluminum fenders on it.  I add the Schwalbe 
700x40 Winter Marathon tires for the very slippy conditions. No fears about 
fender binding so far. Had the same set up before using a Karate Monkey 
frame with drop bars. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:42:57 AM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> Maybe consider a cheaper dedicated winter bike that you don't need to 
> worry about getting wet or salty?
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Yes, fenderless.
>>
>> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due 
>> to the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
>> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
>> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
>> clock will run out.
>>
>> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
>> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
>> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>>
>> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
>> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
>> white with dry salt.
>>
>> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
>> fared?
>>
>> Thanks for relating your experiences!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

[john Bokman]

Thanks Patrick and Andy for your assistance. Very interesting about the 
coloration of cottons. I had no idea.

I’m not one who would wear “neon” green or yellow, but I’m partial to a “warm” 
color like orange or red to be seen on the road.

Guys: Do you have size zips for your smock? I would suspect they’d not only 
help with removal but with allowing more airflow?

I assume with the weight of the smock being over 2#, I would only need a thin 
layer underneath and I’d be plenty warm. Most of my rain season (8 months a 
year)  riding is done at (wet) temperatures between 35-60 degrees. 

Any additional comments on your products and use are welcome as I try to make 
choices. I’m sick and tired of burning through plastics, no matter how 
“advanced” or “improved”.
> On Aug 30, 2018, at 4:46 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> John, that's the item I have now, their Braemar smock, in red. 
> 
> Fluorescent colors in fabrics are a bit more susceptible to UV degradation of 
> the pigments that produce the fluorescent color effect. The base fabric 
> dictates the  necessity of chemical characteristics of a coloring dye, cotton 
> is one of the hardest to accommodate. If interested: 
> https://www.aatcc.org/media/Read/Newsletter/archive/2013/01A/The_Perils_and_Pitfalls_of_Dyeing_Neon_Colors.PDF
>  
> 
> 
> Back in my late '80s outdoor retail days, when fluorescent ("neon") colors 
> ruled ski gear, we had a one day in the window policy for displays. They were 
> rotated to even the exposure and the merchandisers had worksheets that were 
> kept by the displays near the UV blocking windows because we observed fade 
> from brief display in direct sunlight despite the glass choice, even 
> non-fluorescent colors. 
> 
> In that same era Grant wrote in the 1991 Bridgestone catalog about color: 
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm 
> 
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 12:19:14 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks Patrick! 
> Interestingly, the 2x Ventile is the same weight as Cotton Analogy. I’d 
> rather buy all cotton “all things equal” unless there is a clear reason to do 
> otherwise. I like the smock option best, BTW. Less zipper, perhaps slightly 
> more cumbersome to put on, but the kangaroo pockets are a real bonus for me. 
> (I’d upset to the side zips, as well.) 
> > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > wrote: 
> > 
> > John, I’d recommend double ventile or cotton analogy for what you just 
> > described. Single layer soaks through where horizontal, such as sleeves on 
> > a bike, or sitting and enjoying a pipe. For blaze orange (or red, which I 
> > prefer, because it is equally visible, but not flourescent and thus 
> > bikey/racy and so people seem to be friendlier), I’d email them. 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
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[RBW] Re: Bar end shifters on Boscos?

[Lum Gim Fong]

https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/2P9106

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Bruce Herbitter]

And you’re no crustier now than you were at 66!  . I need to get up that way 
and ride with you again. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76.

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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

[ascpgh]

John, that's the item I have now, their Braemar smock, in red. 

Fluorescent colors in fabrics are a bit more susceptible to UV degradation 
of the pigments that produce the fluorescent color effect. The base fabric 
dictates the  necessity of chemical characteristics of a coloring dye, 
cotton is one of the hardest to accommodate. If interested: 
https://www.aatcc.org/media/Read/Newsletter/archive/2013/01A/The_Perils_and_Pitfalls_of_Dyeing_Neon_Colors.PDF

Back in my late '80s outdoor retail days, when fluorescent ("neon") colors 
ruled ski gear, we had a one day in the window policy for displays. They 
were rotated to even the exposure and the merchandisers had worksheets that 
were kept by the displays near the UV blocking windows because we observed 
fade from brief display in direct sunlight despite the glass choice, even 
non-fluorescent colors. 

In that same era Grant wrote in the 1991 Bridgestone catalog about color: 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-17.htm

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 12:19:14 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick! 
> Interestingly, the 2x Ventile is the same weight as Cotton Analogy. I’d 
> rather buy all cotton “all things equal” unless there is a clear reason to 
> do otherwise. I like the smock option best, BTW. Less zipper, perhaps 
> slightly more cumbersome to put on, but the kangaroo pockets are a real 
> bonus for me. (I’d upset to the side zips, as well.) 
> > On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > John, I’d recommend double ventile or cotton analogy for what you just 
> described. Single layer soaks through where horizontal, such as sleeves on 
> a bike, or sitting and enjoying a pipe. For blaze orange (or red, which I 
> prefer, because it is equally visible, but not flourescent and thus 
> bikey/racy and so people seem to be friendlier), I’d email them. 
> > 
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> > Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, the “clear reason” for me to go with cotton analogy is it removes 
moisture via capilary action. Otherwise, I agree, all cotton would be 
preferable.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Steve Palincsar]

I wouldn't call either 30 or 56 "old."  I'm 76.


On 08/29/2018 10:07 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

In my case, 56.



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Re: [RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[Eric Daume]

How is a Clem giving up? :) Mine has a surprisingly spritely ride. The fat
tired and strong brakes are a big plus.

Eric

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, Dennis Caron  wrote:

> Hello,
> I’m curious if anyone has installed upright bars on a Romulus. I have one
> that I’ve ridden for 15 years but feel I’m getting too old for drop bars. I
> am also looking at a Clem bike but don’t want to give up quite yet if
> others have liked switching out their bars on the Romulus.
> Thanks...
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[RBW] Upright bars and romulus

[WETH]

Dear Dennis,

I have and really enjoy the ride: https://flic.kr/p/22KjYfJ
If you have further questions let me know.  
More photos of the bike here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/7913Q8

All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

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For a few years, RBW sold models with 132.5mm rear spacing so you could use 
130mm or 135mm hubs. Steel is flexible enough that you can spread even a 126mm 
vintage frame open for modern 130 hubs. You can also have a frame cold set if 
desired but I have never needed to. 

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