[RBW] Re: Roadeo/STI bars

[stoker]

I personally do not miss the flare. They are really nice, simple bars that fit 
my hands great. And the reach/position of the levers is just right 

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[RBW] FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[DarinM]

Tom,

I sent a message re: Shop Sack shortly after your post. When you do get around 
to replies, please check your spam filter. Sounds like you’re busy with a move 
so I understand any delays.

Darin

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[David Bivins]

He gave me a confirmation of what I wanted to buy but hasn't followed up
with payment instructions. It was a good FS list, so maybe it will take him
some time?

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:33 PM Friend  wrote:

> Has anyone hears back from Tom yet?
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>>
>> My tells were the side pocket heights, the location of the label on the
>> front flap, and how low that kangaroo pocket sits relative to the leather
>> light hanging tab... thing. Prepared to be wrong, just trying to help.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> The tell on that blue bag is zippered pockets on the front, facing the
>>> seatpost. Hard to tell from the angle on those pics, if there's no zippers
>>> it's a medium.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Friend]

Has anyone hears back from Tom yet?

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> My tells were the side pocket heights, the location of the label on the 
> front flap, and how low that kangaroo pocket sits relative to the leather 
> light hanging tab... thing. Prepared to be wrong, just trying to help.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 11:47:36 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The tell on that blue bag is zippered pockets on the front, facing the 
>> seatpost. Hard to tell from the angle on those pics, if there's no zippers 
>> it's a medium. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[Takashi]

I usually put no more than 5kg of load in my saddlebag.
With my 54cm Hunq, the saddlebag would rub the tire if used without a rack, 
so probably 90% of the weight is supported by the rack.
No problems so far.

Takashi

John Rinker wrote:
>
> Thanks Takashi and Jon,
>
> Any concerns about the weight of you'll load into the medium saddlesack 
> with the Mark's rack? 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+5:45, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I also have Mark's Rack on back of my Hunq.
>> https://flic.kr/p/298TE5u
>> As you can see in this picture, I cut off the tombstone of the rack.
>> I did it because I like saddlebag to be as close to seatpost as possible, 
>> like in this picture (I don't mind my thighs hitting the saddlebag) :
>> https://flic.kr/p/RV8rN3
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

yeah i would think so. they're pretty comfortable, i think due to the sweep 
(and the bike's geometry). ive commuted two days in a row on them (14mi 
round trip) with no issues. 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:47:33 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
>
> Are the Wavies comfortable for fairly long distances (10 miles and up)? I 
> have been wondering about switching my commuter from drops. Thanks! 
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:36:24 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> christopher, really liking the wavies so far. I have nearly identical 
>> handlebars on another bike (sycip JJJ), so this shape works great for me. i 
>> usually carry a U lock, ottolock, work clothes, coffee mug, multitool, and 
>> whatever other junk i've got going on that particular day. not often more 
>> than 20lbs. i think it handles fine but i usually dont carry super heavy 
>> loads on this bike. better than when the bike had drops, for sure. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:46:58 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>>
>>> Adam, that looks great with either bars. How do you like the Wavies? How 
>>> much weight do you carry on the front of your Sam? I put a rando bag on my 
>>> Heron with nearly identical front end geo, and it gets pretty floppy with 
>>> anything in there.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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[RBW] RTP-like econo options: opinions wanted

[in Dallas nick]

My apologies, that was meant for the internet Bob list. 




Can read the thread if interested under the same title. 




Paul in Dallas


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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Bill Schairer]

Friction for durability, flexibility and I know how to make them work.  I never 
could get the hang of servicing indexed and I had two brifters go bad but never 
a bar end. Then, ‘will this work with that?” is really never an issue - swap 
wheels, cassettes, freewheels, chainrings etc with hardly a thought.  I’ve 
heard plenty of noisy indexed drive trains and missed shifts.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Pancake]

+2 for both indexed and friction. 

I have Microshift shifters on my Sam, they're friction on the front, 
switchable to friction or indexed on the rear. Strongly recommended. 

They call these "friction transferable" meaning you can switch between the 
modes. It requires an allen key, super easy even on the road. My chain 
broke a few weeks ago, had to reassemble it with about 8 missing links 
which screwed up indexing. Quick switch to friction mode got me home 
happily.

https://www.performancebike.com/microshift-double-triple-9speed-bar-end-shifter-set-shimano-compatible-silver-bs-t09/p316886



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>
> +1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that 
> can do both. 

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[S]

Are the Wavies comfortable for fairly long distances (10 miles and up)? I 
have been wondering about switching my commuter from drops. Thanks! 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:36:24 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> christopher, really liking the wavies so far. I have nearly identical 
> handlebars on another bike (sycip JJJ), so this shape works great for me. i 
> usually carry a U lock, ottolock, work clothes, coffee mug, multitool, and 
> whatever other junk i've got going on that particular day. not often more 
> than 20lbs. i think it handles fine but i usually dont carry super heavy 
> loads on this bike. better than when the bike had drops, for sure. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:46:58 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> Adam, that looks great with either bars. How do you like the Wavies? How 
>> much weight do you carry on the front of your Sam? I put a rando bag on my 
>> Heron with nearly identical front end geo, and it gets pretty floppy with 
>> anything in there.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

christopher, really liking the wavies so far. I have nearly identical 
handlebars on another bike (sycip JJJ), so this shape works great for me. i 
usually carry a U lock, ottolock, work clothes, coffee mug, multitool, and 
whatever other junk i've got going on that particular day. not often more 
than 20lbs. i think it handles fine but i usually dont carry super heavy 
loads on this bike. better than when the bike had drops, for sure. 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:46:58 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Adam, that looks great with either bars. How do you like the Wavies? How 
> much weight do you carry on the front of your Sam? I put a rando bag on my 
> Heron with nearly identical front end geo, and it gets pretty floppy with 
> anything in there.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] FS: NOS Suntour XC Pro Front Derailleurs

[Jock Dewey]

Hello, ST folks:

I have 3 very nice NOS XC PRO front derailers for sale. (My collection got 
out of hand.)

2 ea. @ 31.8 clamp and 1 ea. @ 35.0 clamp

These are not the Micro Drive cages, just so you know.

$35 each shipped.

Thanks for looking (also posted to BOB list).

Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

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[RBW] RTP-like econo options: opinions wanted

[in Dallas nick]

I have the Power Blocks, the Maxxis


 'Drop the Hammer' DTHs and also the standard RTPs.




The standard RTPs are right at 450g.




The Power Blocks and DTHs are about 100 g's heavier at about 550 each.




For my mainly street riding I think the the 


PBs and DTHs are a tie.


I too prefer the tread on the DTHs over the PB's.


Not sure why , they both seem to roll about the same to me.






Both are folding tires and mounted easily for me.




My DTHs are the black sidewall and I  don't particularly care for the bold 
yellow lettering on the side but they roll very well for me and very few flats 
if any on them and since I have multiple 26'ers I can't justify running RTPs on 
all.




The RTPs are definitely in a different and higher category. 




Why get an e-bike when you can get Rene Herse tires for much less, well a 
little less.


Ha! Just kidding.


I think I'd still be slow on an e-bike.




I would be interested in hearing of other 26 tires that are in or below that 
550g weight class.






Gosh, I sure use 'about' a lot, but I'm not about to change as it requires 
being more specific. 




I am about to sign off here though.




Paul in Dallas




PS,




Not 26" but I installed a pair of 700x42 Soma Vitesse  XL


 a few days ago on my Schwinn  Passage. 


Found them pretty cheap on Ebay.


They roll super fine, seem quick.




385g  each. Dang their sidewalls are thin.


Will be interesting to see how they hold up.




I need to check Soma for 26" offerings. 




That's about it.





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[RBW] Re: Roadeo/STI bars

[David Wadstrup]

I haven't really heard of the M151s before, but am very interested.  Looks 
like they don't have the flare in the drops that the Noodles have.  But it 
does look like they extend further back.  Do you find yourself missing this 
flare?

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:26:53 AM UTC-4, stoker wrote:
>
> I like Nitto M151’s for STI or Doubletap. They have a shallow drop and 
> reach. They come in silver, 46cm width and a 26.0 clamp

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Mtn Works, Birkenstock, Snowpeak, camping, Topo bag, frame pump,

[Drw]

*Just these now*


*Birkenstock Bostons*- size 43. had for about 3 months and am coming to the 
conclusion they are too big. brown suede version. normal 3 month wear. 55$ 
shipped

*Topeak master blaster frame pump-* not sure of the size. looks to fit 
19in-20in.- 18$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[oldmangabe]

I've been riding a Galibier for about two years on my randonneur bike. It 
took me (170lbs) quite a while to break it in. I almost gave up and swapped 
it back for the Aspin, but a combo of rainy and sweaty rides finally did 
the trick. 

For me the S/G works best with bars below saddle, while the Aspin works 
slightly below, at, and above saddle heights.

I like both models equally. I decided to try switching to the Galibier 
because the bars on my rando are 2-3 inches below my saddle and I've come 
to appreciate less pressure on the backs of my thighs on rides over 200k. 
It feels similar to using a Flite or a Fabric Scoop saddle. Though the 
Aspin is a great all around saddle for me as well. YMMV

Gabe

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:24:45 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
> comfortable than the Aspin?
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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[phil k]

Hi Roberta,

I've had the Appaloosa and it's a great bike. I had a 51cm.

I would say the AHH is a bit more zippy. I think it depends on if you need 
the speed, or the carrying capacity.


On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 3:54:03 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> Hi, Phil.
>
> I talked myself out of an MIT AHH, which I was considering (drooling over, 
> actually)  for several weeks as a bike for a second location.  I am 
> still curious though...  Have you ridden a Joe Appaloosa or Atlantis?  I 
> have an Appaloosa and I was wondering how different or similar the AHH is 
> to that.   (I will keep my Appaloosa until I cannot swing my leg over it 
> any longer, I love its ride so much.  If you get an Atlantis, I hope you 
> feel the same way. It's wonderful.)
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, 83pbh
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>>
>> As I've responded to RDS:
>>
>> My pbh is 80cm. Saddleheight is 68.5 but have dropped it to 67cm these 
>> days. No issues, I would just like to size slightly smaller to lower my 
>> handlebars a bit more, but 51cm is too small.
>>
>> I'm also willing to trade for a 53cm Atlantis.
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>>
>>> I am debating b/t a 54.5 ahh & 53 Atlantis.  What is your pbh & seat 
>>> height on the ahh? How is it too big for you?   What size tires & what is 
>>> stand over height?  51 will be too small & 54.5 will be borderline too big
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[REC (Roberta)]

Hi, Phil.

I talked myself out of an MIT AHH, which I was considering (drooling over, 
actually)  for several weeks as a bike for a second location.  I am 
still curious though...  Have you ridden a Joe Appaloosa or Atlantis?  I 
have an Appaloosa and I was wondering how different or similar the AHH is 
to that.   (I will keep my Appaloosa until I cannot swing my leg over it 
any longer, I love its ride so much.  If you get an Atlantis, I hope you 
feel the same way. It's wonderful.)

Thanks,
Roberta, 83pbh


On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> As I've responded to RDS:
>
> My pbh is 80cm. Saddleheight is 68.5 but have dropped it to 67cm these 
> days. No issues, I would just like to size slightly smaller to lower my 
> handlebars a bit more, but 51cm is too small.
>
> I'm also willing to trade for a 53cm Atlantis.
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am debating b/t a 54.5 ahh & 53 Atlantis.  What is your pbh & seat 
>> height on the ahh? How is it too big for you?   What size tires & what is 
>> stand over height?  51 will be too small & 54.5 will be borderline too big
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[S]

+1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that can do 
both. 

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Re: [RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[jack loudon]

I agree with Patrick, and for pretty much the same reasons.  My 1x10 has a 
friction thumby and the 2x9 has friction bar-ends, and I have no desire to 
go back to indexing.  The lateral play in the derailleur jockey wheel makes 
the chain self-align with the cog to a certain extent, so missed shifts are 
rare.  Though I wouldn't like friction so much if I couldn't keep both 
hands on the bars while shifting, so friction on downtube shifters seems 
borderline dangerous to me (although that's all we used BITD).

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I like friction for several reasons; in order of importance (importance to 
> me, of course):
>
> 1. I like developing and using the skill. I've found that even pulling an 
> 8-speed derailleur with 5-speed shifters (741x, Bar Cons -- relevant 
> because modern shifting systems require more pull to move between cogs, 
> allowing a certain greater precision) over 10 (mismatched) cogs is quite 
> easy with practice; in fact, when I do mis-shift, it's not because the 
> system isn't precise enough, it's because I shift too gingerly and end up 
> not pulling *enough* cable.
>
> 2. It's simple and requires almost no maintenance. I hate fiddling with 
> indexing; learned that hate back in the 7-speed XT days.
>
> 3. It allows you to mix and match.
>
> 4. It discourages unnecessary shifting. I *like* having to ride at a wide 
> variety of cadences and torque levels. That said, I also hate large 
> mid-range jumps; "large" means more than 1-tooth differences. Inconsistent, 
> but still true.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Friend > 
> wrote:
>
>> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
>> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
>> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and 
>> why.  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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[RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[Joe Bernard]

I change my mind on this every 3 months, so good luck with my advice! 

I was back to index (rear), then got a new Atlantis with 9-speed Shimano 
bar-ends and XT derailer that just doesn't want to index cleanly. I did a bar 
swap last week and the only thing I had around was a vintage 7-speed Suntour 
thumby, so I mounted it and put in friction. Perfect! For street riding* it's 
actually easier to guess the travel and snick into the next cog without pushing 
through a click and hoping the chain doesn't rattle. Ask me again in 3 months!

*Does not apply on singletrack. You need index for that. 

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[sameness]

My tells were the side pocket heights, the location of the label on the 
front flap, and how low that kangaroo pocket sits relative to the leather 
light hanging tab... thing. Prepared to be wrong, just trying to help.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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> The tell on that blue bag is zippered pockets on the front, facing the 
> seatpost. Hard to tell from the angle on those pics, if there's no zippers 
> it's a medium. 

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Joe Bernard]

The tell on that blue bag is zippered pockets on the front, facing the 
seatpost. Hard to tell from the angle on those pics, if there's no zippers it's 
a medium. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Patrick Moore]

You are right, indexing might well be a better choice for rapidly changing
terrain and conditions. My technique with friction in "emergency"
situations -- deep sand patch, for example -- is to slam the right lever to
the large cog (or at least to a bigger cogs several positions away) in
order to maintain momentum, since this reduces the need to fine-tune the
chain, and once stabilized, adjust the gear as needed. But if I were riding
technical singletrack with a lot of this sort of shifting, I'd probably
want indexing too. *And* indexing is a lot more precise and reliable now
than in the 7 speed days; I could never get the chain to track perfectly
smoothly on all 7 cogs either with XT thumbshifters or Dura Ace dt shifters.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:04 AM Collin A  wrote:

> I have both friction and index. I've personally found friction to be great
> for more gradually changing terrain that gives you some time to fine tune
> the paddle placement before really cranking down on the pedals without
> fully losing your momentum. However, when I am dealing with highly varied
> terrain that changes very quickly (i.e. singletrack and poorly maintained
> forest service roads), I've found that I am not good enough with friction
> to get the shifts just right without the rear derailleur not being in the
> right position and the chain consequently jumping around when I apply the
> torque (or break, which only happened once!). As such, for my 2x9 speed
> Clem I've moved to indexing in the rear as I've been on the trails more and
> more. However, If I were to mostly stay on the road, I'd keep with friction
> both front and rear.
>
> Hopefully my anecdote helps, and good luck with the build!
> Collin A
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-7, Friend wrote:
>>
>> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting
>> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm
>> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and
>> why.  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I recall at one time Lovely Bicycle also had a small review/write up about the 
same OYB panniers and may be searchable in the blog history.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Mtn Works, Birkenstock, Snowpeak, camping, Topo bag, frame pump,

[Drw]

Bump and price reductions

*Birkenstock Bostons*- size 43. had for about 3 months and am coming to the 
conclusion they are too big. brown suede version. normal 3 month wear. 55$ 
shipped

*Topo Designs bike bag*- Triangular design, works on handlebar or saddle. 
holds u-lock, tools, mini pump, extra layer. also has a removable shoulder 
strap. never used- 25$ shipped

*Topeak master blaster frame pump-* not sure of the size. looks to fit 
19in-20in.- 18$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[Sean B.]

My PBH is 78.74cm and I have a 51cm AHH. It's slightly small, but the 54.5 
would be too big. I do like the stand over though because of stop lights 
and whatnot. 

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 2:30:07 PM UTC-5, phil k wrote:
>
> I currently have a 54.5 MIT AHH. I just built it up. It rides well, but I 
> think it's slightly big for me.
>
> I wanted to post here to see if any 54cm AHH owners out there wanted to 
> try the new long wheel base AHH. Let me know and we can work out a trade 
> and all the details.
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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Drw]

once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction but ive 
found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction 
allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor 
benefits of indexing.  I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and 
preferably 8. 

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[sameness]

Not doubting your memory, your eyes, or your credit card receipt, but this 
one looks like a Medium to me.

Jeff Hagedorn
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On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 8:45:24 AM UTC-7, Tom Allingham wrote:
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> Riv Saddlesack Large, Royal Blue, new. $145
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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Here they are! 
I think they're yours?, unless it's another friend. If so, you should 
really keep them. Paired with some Paul's thumbies and they're the greatest 
thumb shifters around. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest_medium=email#!topic/internet-bob/_NkQDZXqVz4
-Kai

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> There’s a set for sale over on the iBob list as we speak!

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Mike K.]

There’s a set for sale over on the iBob list as we speak!

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Mike K.]

A good shimano bar end should give you the option of index or friction. 9 speed 
has the option for sure.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm very similar.  I have a 68.5 saddle height and 69.5 PBH.  The 54 AHH is
at the tall end of my spectrum--I think my custom ended up being 52.5.  My
inseam is 30 inches and the standover height with 38 mm Soma Xpress is
about 30 inches.  The new 54.5 AHH might be too big for me.  The 51 should
be fine for me, since it has a slightly more upward sloping top tube.

Toshi


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> As I've responded to RDS:
>
> My pbh is 80cm. Saddleheight is 68.5 but have dropped it to 67cm these
> days. No issues, I would just like to size slightly smaller to lower my
> handlebars a bit more, but 51cm is too small.
>
> I'm also willing to trade for a 53cm Atlantis.
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am debating b/t a 54.5 ahh & 53 Atlantis.  What is your pbh & seat
>> height on the ahh? How is it too big for you?   What size tires & what is
>> stand over height?  51 will be too small & 54.5 will be borderline too big
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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Collin A]

I have both friction and index. I've personally found friction to be great 
for more gradually changing terrain that gives you some time to fine tune 
the paddle placement before really cranking down on the pedals without 
fully losing your momentum. However, when I am dealing with highly varied 
terrain that changes very quickly (i.e. singletrack and poorly maintained 
forest service roads), I've found that I am not good enough with friction 
to get the shifts just right without the rear derailleur not being in the 
right position and the chain consequently jumping around when I apply the 
torque (or break, which only happened once!). As such, for my 2x9 speed 
Clem I've moved to indexing in the rear as I've been on the trails more and 
more. However, If I were to mostly stay on the road, I'd keep with friction 
both front and rear.

Hopefully my anecdote helps, and good luck with the build!
Collin A


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> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. 
>  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar tape color recommendation

[Keith Weaver]

I'm not fully committed to the Sella, it's sagging and will likely need to
be re-covered fairly soon. I do have a honey Brooks on another bike that I
don't ride a lot, I've been toying with putting that saddle on the Riv. I
have also been considering going to a more standard, lighter black saddle.
I've really enjoyed the WTB Silverado on my other road bike, and may get
another to go on this bike.

I'm not committed to cloth tape with shellac, but I'd like to try it for a
while. On other bikes I've used the Lizard Skins tape, and leather bar tape.

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> I have used amber shellac on both yellow and orange Newbaum’s and found
> the yellow to be closer to the honey brown on a Brooks.
>
> The old adage was the tape should match the saddle. Are you sticking with
> that one? And are you committed to cloth tape/shellac?
>
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[RBW] Re: FT: My 54.5cm MIT AHH for your 54cm AHH or Saluki

[phil k]

As I've responded to RDS:

My pbh is 80cm. Saddleheight is 68.5 but have dropped it to 67cm these 
days. No issues, I would just like to size slightly smaller to lower my 
handlebars a bit more, but 51cm is too small.

I'm also willing to trade for a 53cm Atlantis.

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 4:13:02 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> I am debating b/t a 54.5 ahh & 53 Atlantis.  What is your pbh & seat 
> height on the ahh? How is it too big for you?   What size tires & what is 
> stand over height?  51 will be too small & 54.5 will be borderline too big

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[RBW] Re: Bar tape color recommendation

[Doug Bloch]

I have used amber shellac on both yellow and orange Newbaum’s and found the 
yellow to be closer to the honey brown on a Brooks.

The old adage was the tape should match the saddle. Are you sticking with that 
one? And are you committed to cloth tape/shellac?

Doug

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Re: [RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[Toshi Takeuchi]

After riding with STI brifters for many years, I thought that friction
would suck, but it is smooth and I don't miss my STI shifters a bit.

You can get Shimano levers with indexed and friction modes and you can
decide if you like friction or not.  When indexed works, it is great, and
there is no reason to use friction, but if it doesn't work, then it sucks
and I hate to mess with quarter turns of the cable to shift properly etc.
and would rather avoid the hassle and just use friction.

Toshi


On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:16 AM DarinM  wrote:

> I like both. I love friction on 7/8 speed drivetrains that I use with a
> triple for touring. I like indexed for my 2x9 speed drivetrains. I ride my
> bikes off pavement a lot and don’t like having to trim and search for the
> sweet spot too much which I found was necessary (for me) when friction
> shifting 9 speed on dirt or gravel.
>
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[RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[DarinM]

I like both. I love friction on 7/8 speed drivetrains that I use with a triple 
for touring. I like indexed for my 2x9 speed drivetrains. I ride my bikes off 
pavement a lot and don’t like having to trim and search for the sweet spot too 
much which I found was necessary (for me) when friction shifting 9 speed on 
dirt or gravel. 

Darin

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[RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

No reason to have a Friction vs Indexed battle, you can and should have both! 
Any indexed shifter worth it's salt will have a friction option. So, if my 
indexing ever goes out or gets wonky, I change over, tool free. But it doesn't, 
indexing rules...
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[Patrick Moore]

I like friction for several reasons; in order of importance (importance to
me, of course):

1. I like developing and using the skill. I've found that even pulling an
8-speed derailleur with 5-speed shifters (741x, Bar Cons -- relevant
because modern shifting systems require more pull to move between cogs,
allowing a certain greater precision) over 10 (mismatched) cogs is quite
easy with practice; in fact, when I do mis-shift, it's not because the
system isn't precise enough, it's because I shift too gingerly and end up
not pulling *enough* cable.

2. It's simple and requires almost no maintenance. I hate fiddling with
indexing; learned that hate back in the 7-speed XT days.

3. It allows you to mix and match.

4. It discourages unnecessary shifting. I *like* having to ride at a wide
variety of cadences and torque levels. That said, I also hate large
mid-range jumps; "large" means more than 1-tooth differences. Inconsistent,
but still true.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Friend  wrote:

> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting
> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm
> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and
> why.  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[Daniel D.]

Indexing in rear, friction in front. I like the convenience of indexing.  
But not really needed in front and you can easily trim the front derailleur.

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> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. 
>  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Friction vs Indexed

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have and enjoy both. Friction is more “classic,” and requires a bit of 
finesse and thinking … something like shooting a manual camera. Indexing is 
easier to shift (think of an automatic point-and-shoot camera). Some prefer the 
added control.

Theoretically, indexed shift levers are more likely to fail, due to the small 
parts inside. In practice, I’ve never had a pair of indexed levers malfunction.

One plus for indexed shifting is that when you’re tired, or are struggling 
uphill and trying to find a lower gear, it’s nice to just move the lever and 
wait for the click.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Apr 9, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Friend  wrote:
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> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting noodle 
> bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm wondering whether 
> people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why.  Would love to hear 
> any thoughts.
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[RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[Friend]

I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and why. 
 Would love to hear any thoughts.

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[phil k]

Yes it works great. I had one on my old Sam.

If you need it to support more weight, then a longer strut to the dropouts 
would be more better.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:49:01 AM UTC-4, John Rinker wrote:
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> Good evening,
>
> Does anyone have a Mark's M1 rack mounted on the back of their Riv (Hunq?) 
> to support a saddlesack? 
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[jtallman]

I never probably never had more than 10 - 15 pounds, so not a lot of 
weight. Of course, not all of the weight was on the rack since the 
saddlesack was attached to my saddle loops. I never had concerns about it 
being overloaded.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:57:01 AM UTC-4, John Rinker wrote:
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> Thanks Takashi and Jon,
>
> Any concerns about the weight of you'll load into the medium saddlesack 
> with the Mark's rack? 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+5:45, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Hi John
>>
>> I also have Mark's Rack on back of my Hunq.
>> https://flic.kr/p/298TE5u
>> As you can see in this picture, I cut off the tombstone of the rack.
>> I did it because I like saddlebag to be as close to seatpost as possible, 
>> like in this picture (I don't mind my thighs hitting the saddlebag) :
>> https://flic.kr/p/RV8rN3
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 700C wheel sets, tires, old school brake set and shifters

[John Casteen]

After a couple years of trying various wheel and tire combinations, here's 
spring cleaning.  Selling these wheels because I switched to dyno hubs.  
These have low miles, no issues.  All prices negotiable & exclusive of 
shipping.  

Wheels 1: 700C Alex DM18 rims, Silver Hubs, skewers.  OEM from stock 
Appaloosa build.  $200

Wheels 2: 700C Mavic CXP rims, Shimano Claris hubs, skewers.  $150

700C Little Big Bens Performance Line RaceGuard LiteSkin, black, w/ tubes, 
$50

Dia-Compe 500 brakes and matching levers, vintage 1985, $25

SunTour downtube shifters, ditto, $25


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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[John Rinker]

Thanks Takashi and Jon,

Any concerns about the weight of you'll load into the medium saddlesack 
with the Mark's rack? 

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:02:12 PM UTC+5:45, Takashi wrote:
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> Hi John
>
> I also have Mark's Rack on back of my Hunq.
> https://flic.kr/p/298TE5u
> As you can see in this picture, I cut off the tombstone of the rack.
> I did it because I like saddlebag to be as close to seatpost as possible, 
> like in this picture (I don't mind my thighs hitting the saddlebag) :
> https://flic.kr/p/RV8rN3
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[John Rinker]

Thanks Takashi and Jon,

Any concerns about the weight of you'll load into the medium saddlesack 
with the Mark's rack? 

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:34:01 PM UTC+5:45, John Rinker wrote:
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> Good evening,
>
> Does anyone have a Mark's M1 rack mounted on the back of their Riv (Hunq?) 
> to support a saddlesack? 
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Roadeo/STI bars

[stoker]

I like Nitto M151’s for STI or Doubletap. They have a shallow drop and reach. 
They come in silver, 46cm width and a 26.0 clamp

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[Takashi]

Hi John

I also have Mark's Rack on back of my Hunq.
https://flic.kr/p/298TE5u
As you can see in this picture, I cut off the tombstone of the rack.
I did it because I like saddlebag to be as close to seatpost as possible, 
like in this picture (I don't mind my thighs hitting the saddlebag) :
https://flic.kr/p/RV8rN3

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Christopher Cote]

Adam, that looks great with either bars. How do you like the Wavies? How much 
weight do you carry on the front of your Sam? I put a rando bag on my Heron 
with nearly identical front end geo, and it gets pretty floppy with anything in 
there.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[jtallman]

Hi John.

I used one on a Sam Hillborne to support a medium saddlesack. It worked 
great.

https://flic.kr/p/R77NEp

Jon Tallman

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:49:01 AM UTC-4, John Rinker wrote:
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> Good evening,
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> to support a saddlesack? 
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Berthoud Saddles

[David Wadstrup]

I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
comfortable than the Aspin?

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo/STI bars

['kobe' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like Soma Highway bars for their short drop and reach. They also come in 
a wide 46cm.

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[RBW] FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Will Ashe]

PM sent for Large Saddlesack, Tan or Olive. 

Thanks,
Will
Austin, TX

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[RBW] Mark's Rack (M1) on Back?

[John Rinker]

Good evening,

Does anyone have a Mark's M1 rack mounted on the back of their Riv (Hunq?) 
to support a saddlesack? 

Cheers, John


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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi John,
I was looking through this thread with interest and don’t intend to speak for 
Tom but as an owner of a pair of the exact same model of repurposed military 
surplus bags I thought I’d try to help answer your question.  They are from 
Jeff Potter of OYB(Out Your Backdoor) and were made from Swiss medic bags.  I 
use them often and they are perfect for small loads... a dozen eggs just barely 
fit in the bottom with a little effort for example, I’ve fit two dozen in 
cardboard cases though fit was a little too tight.  One currently holds a 
roll-up, diaper bag/changing pad when riding with my son.  Jeff offered them 
with varying sized rack clips made to order so maybe Tom could verify rack 
compatibility but mine fit great as low riders on a Surly Front rack 

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[RBW] Re: Bar tape color recommendation

[Ed Carolipio]

I've really liked to combine brighter orange with the light blue ever since 
I saw the color combo on a limited edition Mini Cooper.


-Ed C.










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