[RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[sameness]

Edited because gloating is not a good look. 

Drew, you have first dibs on catch and release.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[sameness]

I'm basically talking to myself here at this point, but I bought it from 
the seller's website. 

Sale price was $50.00 cheaper, shipping was $40.00 cheaper, and I got a 
$20.00 off coupon for signing up. 

So yeah, two cents shy of $930.00 delivered. 

Drew, you have first dibs on catch and release.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[sameness]

98% certain this is the same bike 
. I'm 
gonna give you guys about another hour to pull the trigger.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:36:57 PM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>
> jandrews, thanks for asking. here's a pic. 
>

Good God Jim! I think you hit every branch of the ugly-but-useful tree with 
that dirt drop stem holding an upturned drop bar with Gevenalle brifters. 
And with purple-anodized cherries on top no less! :)

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ah. I have seen the name, I guess I got it confused with the Kellys.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 10:31:42 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> Not Jim, but them there look like Gevenalles 
> .
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:12:24 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Jim, what's the story with the shifters perched way on up top of the 
>> brake hoods? Have you set up other bikes like this? Are they modified Kelly 
>> Take-offs? Is this a thing that passed by my notice and I'm the only one in 
>> the dark here?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fixed gear bike packing

[Craig Montgomery]

That was a great little documentary but mine stopped halfway thru.  Still, 
goes to show you what can be done on a single speed loaded for bear. Thanks.

Craig in Tucson

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 10:32:53 AM UTC-7, John G wrote:
>
> Here's an interesting Youtube on the 25th Infantry.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNnTSD219GA
>
> John G
> Union Bridge, MD
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Paul motolite reviews?

[jandrews]

yeah that's what I'm realizing...I don't want to order a set from 
Overseas...they can be quite pricey.
I like that they can be found with brown hoods with a little sleuthing 
though.




On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:31:12 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> Dia Compe makes the only aesthetically acceptable long pull drop bar brake 
> lever IMO. 
>
> [image: dia-compe-drop-bar-brake-lever-aero-287v-for-v-brakes-7.gif]
>
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:08:42 AM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using these with Drops and are happy with your Motolite / Lever 
>> combination ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:48:04 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm happy with my mini rack/fender/Docena set up. So I went ahead and 
>>> ordered neo retros and canti levers. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[jandrews]

Thanks Jim S
That is looking very tall and very wide!
I bet you'll end up lowering it and being quite comfortable in the drops.
Also curious to try those brake lever mounted shifters at some point.

Are you running G-One Allrounds 29x2.25 under those B65? fenders?







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>
> jandrews, thanks for asking. here's a pic. 
>
> I'm neither an effective mechanic nor a quick one, so I'm still fiddling 
> around trying to make sure the brake hoods are symmetrical. 
>
> I haven't ridden it yet. I think I might lower the bars once I've actually 
> ridden it. This is max height.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[sameness]

Yep. Were that my SO wasn't 4'2" or whatever.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:29:49 PM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I saw this as well. Would love to get that for my wife.

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[sameness]

Not Jim, but them there look like Gevenalles 
.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:12:24 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Jim, what's the story with the shifters perched way on up top of the brake 
> hoods? Have you set up other bikes like this? Are they modified Kelly 
> Take-offs? Is this a thing that passed by my notice and I'm the only one in 
> the dark here?
>

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[RBW] PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[Justin Schoop]

I saw this as well. Would love to get that for my wife.

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[RBW] PSA: 59cm Betty Foy Complete on Ebay

[sameness]

Great price for a complete bike 

. 

Listed as 26" wheels, but I'll bet my computer those are 650B:

[image: betty-foy-59-markup-051719.JPG]

Hop to it, people my size, before I make myself a regret sandwich.

Not mine, no affiliation, etc.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, no worries about the handlebars dinging your top tube(s). Jim, what's 
the story with the shifters perched way on up top of the brake hoods? Have 
you set up other bikes like this? Are they modified Kelly Take-offs? Is 
this a thing that passed by my notice and I'm the only one in the dark 
here? I don't think I would worry so much about the aesthetics of the stem, 
since those thumbies tend to draw the eye. I'm trying to imagine how I 
would shift, for instance, the left one in the position it's in now. I 
gather the idea is to not move off the hoods, similar to Ergo/STI? I like 
the purple accents. 


On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> jandrews, thanks for asking. here's a pic. 
>
> I'm neither an effective mechanic nor a quick one, so I'm still fiddling 
> around trying to make sure the brake hoods are symmetrical. 
>
> I haven't ridden it yet. I think I might lower the bars once I've actually 
> ridden it. This is max height.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Eric Daume]

I'm going to vote for the Dirtdrop for really high bars. A Technomic with
hugely exposed stem looks pretty odd. Or just buy a bigger frame.

Eric

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 7:22 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "Just so I'm understanding you: Technomic, right?"
>
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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't see any rattles, so perhaps rat snake as you say. Heck, I've not
have been as retiring hand I known that. But long and fat!

For the next couple of miles I started at each fallen branch in the road.

This reminds me (onlookers rushing for cover) of finding a spitting cobra
in our woodpile and calling the snake park to come and catch it -- young
Brit on crutches with graspy stick.

On another occasion, evening, the dogs were frantic and we went outside to
see a fat, green pit viper (?) crawling down the driveway. The askari
bludgeoned it to death with his knobkerrie and my brother, 11 or 12 at the
time, stuffed it, poorly because it started to stink.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:36 PM Jim M.  wrote:

> Rattles are pretty obvious on a snake that big.
>  [image: Image result for rattlesnake rattle]
>
> I'm gonna guess a rat snake, which has a triangular head but is not a
> viper:
>
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> It did occur to me after I posted that i couldn't see anything that
>> looked like rattles -- not that I'd know rattles to recognize them.
>>
>> But this thing was in real life a lot fatter than it appears in the
>> photo, and the head looked triangular.
>>
>> Herpetologists ...?
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> Not an expert, but I’ve seen rattlers, and I don’t think that is one.
>>> Rattlers are fatter and have a more distinctive pattern in heir backs.
>>> Their heads are quite wide and flat. And one that long would have had
>>> rattles.
>>>
>>> Any snake experts out there?
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a
>>> rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the
>>> adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly
>>> crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.
>>>
>>> 4' long.
>>>
>>> With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an east-to-west
>>> average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal flow -- this
>>> was 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the snowmelt runoff.
>>> Flooding in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I road a nice 23
>>> mile out 'n' back along the Corrales acequia roads.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
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[RBW] Re: Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[John M]

Patrick,

My best guess is a Sonoran gopher snake.  They can mimic the tail rattling 
of rattlesnakes but are non-venomous.
http://nmherpsociety.org/reptiles/snakes/pituophiscateniferaffinis/index.html


Surprised the Rio Grande is that high!


john (down here in Silver City)







On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a 
> rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the 
> adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly 
> crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.
>
> 4' long.
>
> With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an east-to-west 
> average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal flow -- this 
> was 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the snowmelt runoff. 
> Flooding in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I road a nice 23 
> mile out 'n' back along the Corrales acequia roads.
>
> Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
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>
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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Without the head or the tail in the photo, hard to know for sure, but I agree 
the pattern is less angular than a rattler, and a rattler likely would have ... 
rattled.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, I don't have the expert feather in my cap either, but I dont think 
that ones a rattler either. ONLY because we have tons of them out here in 
Colorado, and I see them constantly. Eric is spot on, they are noticeably 
fatter given their length. That said, we do get some big ones like that too 
and they love to sun themselves on the hot trails and paths. FREAK me out 
every single time. 

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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[Jim M.]

Rattles are pretty obvious on a snake that big.
 [image: Image result for rattlesnake rattle]

I'm gonna guess a rat snake, which has a triangular head but is not a 
viper: 


On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It did occur to me after I posted that i couldn't see anything that looked 
> like rattles -- not that I'd know rattles to recognize them.
>
> But this thing was in real life a lot fatter than it appears in the photo, 
> and the head looked triangular.
>
> Herpetologists ...?
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Not an expert, but I’ve seen rattlers, and I don’t think that is one. 
>> Rattlers are fatter and have a more distinctive pattern in heir backs. 
>> Their heads are quite wide and flat. And one that long would have had 
>> rattles. 
>>
>> Any snake experts out there?
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>> I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a 
>> rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the 
>> adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly 
>> crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.
>>
>> 4' long.
>>
>> With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an east-to-west 
>> average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal flow -- this 
>> was 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the snowmelt runoff. 
>> Flooding in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I road a nice 23 
>> mile out 'n' back along the Corrales acequia roads.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[sameness]

Not an expert, but I used to catch snakes (including rattlers) when I was a 
kid. That there looks like your garden variety gopher snake. They often get 
the business end of the shovel owing to the confusion. They are harmless to 
man but helpful with rodent population control.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Paul motolite reviews?

[Adam Leibow]

Dia Compe makes the only aesthetically acceptable long pull drop bar brake 
lever IMO. 

[image: dia-compe-drop-bar-brake-lever-aero-287v-for-v-brakes-7.gif]


On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:08:42 AM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Anyone using these with Drops and are happy with your Motolite / Lever 
> combination ?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:48:04 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> I'm happy with my mini rack/fender/Docena set up. So I went ahead and 
>> ordered neo retros and canti levers. 
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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

[Patrick Moore]

It did occur to me after I posted that i couldn't see anything that looked
like rattles -- not that I'd know rattles to recognize them.

But this thing was in real life a lot fatter than it appears in the photo,
and the head looked triangular.

Herpetologists ...?

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Not an expert, but I’ve seen rattlers, and I don’t think that is one.
> Rattlers are fatter and have a more distinctive pattern in heir backs.
> Their heads are quite wide and flat. And one that long would have had
> rattles.
>
> Any snake experts out there?
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On May 17, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a
> rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the
> adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly
> crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.
>
> 4' long.
>
> With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an east-to-west
> average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal flow -- this
> was 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the snowmelt runoff.
> Flooding in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I road a nice 23
> mile out 'n' back along the Corrales acequia roads.
>
> Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
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> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Joe Bernard]

"Just so I'm understanding you: Technomic, right?"

藍藍藍

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Re: [RBW] Big 'Un, and flooding, minor

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick:

Not an expert, but I’ve seen rattlers, and I don’t think that is one. Rattlers 
are fatter and have a more distinctive pattern in heir backs. Their heads are 
quite wide and flat. And one that long would have had rattles. 

Any snake experts out there?

–Eric N


> On May 17, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> I photographically cut the head off this big rattler -- I assume it's a 
> rattler; I know nothing about snakes. I pulled off Corrales road onto the 
> adjacent ditch road and slammed on the brakes, as this bigfella was slowly 
> crossing in front of me. I courteously insisted he go first.
> 
> 4' long.
> 
> With exceptionally generous rain -- for a city that gets an east-to-west 
> average of 9"/year -- the river was running at 2X its normal flow -- this was 
> 2 weeks ago; maybe more now; and this is before the snowmelt runoff. Flooding 
> in the lowlying areas adjacent to the river as I road a nice 23 mile out 'n' 
> back along the Corrales acequia roads.
> 
> Patrick Moore, in balmy but windy ABQ, NM
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> A new road or a secret gate,
> And though we pass them by today,
> Tomorrow we may come this way
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> Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Patrick Moore]

Those are some nice stems. I have to say that I prefer a lot of rise in the
extension to 7" of quill showing above the headset.

I suppose it's the light, but that orange bar tape on the bike with the
nice blue stem looks as if it is eerily glowing from within.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:25 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For my bikes and my riding, I prefer a steel stem, painted to match the
> frame. Aesthetics.
> If you need to get the bars up high, a Salsa or Nitto riser is nice. If
> the frame has plenty of stack, a 90* or -17* stem works for me.
>
> Nitto riser: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvAwqExATif/
> Salsa riser: https://www.instagram.com/p/BwFav2_l1tt/
> -17* Frances stem: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxcp5iJBnFl/
> 90* Nitto stem: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxBflM7l4u9/
>
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, Ca
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue.
>>
>> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction
>> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it.
>> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a
>> first-world problem)
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Wool Knickers/Breeches

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Military knickers sold, Sondre ones still available.

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[sameness]

Just so I'm understanding you: Technomic, right?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:28:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
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> It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
> stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
> bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
> everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
> Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 
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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[lconley]

Once the handlebars are two inches above the seat, esthetics have kind of 
gone out the window anyway.
I use Dirt Drop (10 cm - the 8 looks* too* funny with the different 
diameters) and Lugged stems on most of my Rivendells. The Dirt Drop is 
preferred on the commuters and off-roadish bikes because I am fat and it 
gives me more clearance when I am straddling the top tube. All of my 
threadless bikes use LD stems for the belly clearance also (except 
Hubbuhubbuh). But the Guv'nor needs a traditional Technomic or lugged 
style stem. Bottom line is the practical bikes get the Dirt Drop, the 
stylish bikes get the traditional stem. If I only had one bike - it would 
probably have a Dirt Drop. My custom will likely have a lugged, but the 
long top tube will give me the belly clearance. 

Laing
Cocoa FL


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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Philip Williamson]

For my bikes and my riding, I prefer a steel stem, painted to match the 
frame. Aesthetics. 
If you need to get the bars up high, a Salsa or Nitto riser is nice. If the 
frame has plenty of stack, a 90* or -17* stem works for me. 

Nitto riser: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvAwqExATif/ 
Salsa riser: https://www.instagram.com/p/BwFav2_l1tt/ 
-17* Frances stem: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxcp5iJBnFl/
90* Nitto stem: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxBflM7l4u9/ 


Philip 
Santa Rosa, Ca 


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> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Evan E.]

Whoa. I think this poem from Jeff H. should be taped to shop walls and work 
benches nationwide:


* * * 

so much depends
upon

a dirt drop
stem

...with Moustache bars or flared drops? In every case.

...with cruiser or North Road bars? Make your case.

...with porteur or Jitensha bars? Edge case.

...with regular ol' drops? Head case.

Technomicon: The ratio of exposed quill shall not exceed that of the 
horizontal extension by > 5/4. 

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

* * * 

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[RBW] Re: Fixed gear bike packing

[John G]

Here's an interesting Youtube on the 25th Infantry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNnTSD219GA

John G
Union Bridge, MD


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RE: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Laing Conley]

I will take some this weekend.

Laing



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Paul G
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:11 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

Fascinating. A picture of this setup would be great if you have one, Laing.

Paul

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:08:17 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
I was talking about the stays. The L bracket attaches to the fender with the 
thick hardware facing out, thin button head or rivet head inside the fender. 
The daruma is rotated 90 degrees on the stay and goes through the L bracket 
instead of the fender – the daruma never touches the fender. The daruma is 
parallel to the fender, not perpendicular.

Laing




From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:12 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch >
Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

Laing described ways to avoid having bulky hardware inside the fender at the 
places the fender attaches to the rear brake bridge and fork crown.  In that 
description, he repeatedly used the word "stays".

I think we're misunderstanding each other.  I wasn't talking about clearance at 
bridges.  I was talking about fender stay hardware.  I think 'fender stays' are 
an actual thing.  These are fender stays:

[Image result for honjo fender stays]

Fender stays attach to the fender at one end and near the rear drop out or fork 
tip on the other end.  The typical hardware that is used to attach fender stays 
to the metal fender is one or two daruma bolts.  The daruma bolts that come 
with Honjo, Velo Orange, and Berthoud metal fenders have a fairly tall height 
inside the fender.  Depending on the vendor and the setup the internal daruma 
hardware will be 4mm to 8mm tall, inside the fender.  Often, when I correctly 
install metal fenders with correct equal spacing to the tire all around, the 
place most likely to rub the tire will be the fender stay hardware touching the 
tire in this area.  One could re-shape the fender to not have proper clearance 
at the fender stays, but that can cause other problems: it looks bad, you have 
more front TCO, and you increase the risk of sucking a stick into a big gap 
that decreases as the wheel rolls.  The "falsehood" I was spreading was just a 
statement of fact: most metal fenders come with round fender stays.  Most metal 
fenders come with daruma bolts to attach the stays to the fender.  Unmodified 
daruma bolts intrude on the interior space of the fender at the fender stays.

Plastic fenders have a flat piece of metal pop-riveted to the fender, 
protruding only 1mm or 2mm into the interior of the fender.  This area is where 
I think plastic fenders always have more clearance.  If there is a good 
solution for attaching fender stays to metal fenders with no interior hardware 
I would be interested to learn about that hardware.  I imagine I could design 
and fashion a fender stay mounting object that replaces darumas that has this 
feature, but if there is already a part or an established method to solve this 
area, I'd be happy to learn about it.

Possibly the easiest method would be to run Berthoud brand fender stays.  Those 
are typically squished flat at the point that they attach to the metal fender 
and drilled for bolts.  Run a pan head inside the fender and a nut outside.  
That solves the interior hardware problem, you just have to buy extra stays (or 
always buy Berthoud fenders).  It's only money.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:58:53 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
Exactly. Put the panhead bolt head or hex button head inside the fender and the 
nut on the outside. If you have daruma style stays, buy a $5 L-bracket from VO 
(or the sliding crimp fitting that comes standard with most metal fenders and 
some plastic fenders, crimp it to the fender or cut it up to make your own 
L-bracket)  - mount one side to the fender and the other to the daruma bolt 
(play with the orientation for best appearance. Can also use pop rivets ($4 
with coupon for rivet gun, $4.80 for 500 rivets with coupon at Harbor Freight) 
to attach to fender for maximum clearance (use the aluminum rivets and pound or 
press them flat). You can also get aluminum angle at Lowes or Home Depot and 
make really nice aluminum L-brackets with a hacksaw, file and drill. If you 
have a bench grinder, it goes quicker. With a rat tail file, you can make a 
squiggly point an the bracket to match your lugs. Boulder Bike used to sell 
nice L-brackets (may have been Berthouds) , they still have some beautiful 
diamond shaped fender reinforcements.

The most difficult thing that I am putting fenders on is a Hubbuhubbuh with 2.3 
tires and linear brakes. The center stays at the rear have very little side 
clearance and the linear brake cables are just above the tires. The fenders 
will need to be cut or narrowed at the center stays and probably cut (or 
possibly slotted) at the brake cables. Honjo H95s (I believe 

[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Carl]

Isn't the Nitto riser stem in cro mo the best looking one?

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Paul G]

Fascinating. A picture of this setup would be great if you have one, Laing.

Paul

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:08:17 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> I was talking about the stays. The L bracket attaches to the fender with 
> the thick hardware facing out, thin button head or rivet head inside the 
> fender. The daruma is rotated 90 degrees on the stay and goes through the L 
> bracket instead of the fender – the daruma never touches the fender. The 
> daruma is parallel to the fender, not perpendicular.
>
>  
>
> Laing
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:12 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch >
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?
>
>  
>
> Laing described ways to avoid having bulky hardware inside the fender at 
> the places the fender attaches to the rear brake bridge and fork crown.  In 
> that description, he repeatedly used the word "stays".  
>
>  
>
> I think we're misunderstanding each other.  I wasn't talking about 
> clearance at bridges.  I was talking about fender stay hardware.  I think 
> 'fender stays' are an actual thing.  These are fender stays:
>
>  
>
> [image: Image result for honjo fender stays]
>
>  
>
> Fender stays attach to the fender at one end and near the rear drop out or 
> fork tip on the other end.  The typical hardware that is used to attach 
> fender stays to the metal fender is one or two daruma bolts.  The daruma 
> bolts that come with Honjo, Velo Orange, and Berthoud metal fenders have a 
> fairly tall height inside the fender.  Depending on the vendor and the 
> setup the internal daruma hardware will be 4mm to 8mm tall, inside the 
> fender.  Often, when I correctly install metal fenders with correct equal 
> spacing to the tire all around, the place most likely to rub the tire will 
> be the fender stay hardware touching the tire in this area.  One could 
> re-shape the fender to not have proper clearance at the fender stays, but 
> that can cause other problems: it looks bad, you have more front TCO, and 
> you increase the risk of sucking a stick into a big gap that decreases as 
> the wheel rolls.  The "falsehood" I was spreading was just a statement of 
> fact: most metal fenders come with round fender stays.  Most metal fenders 
> come with daruma bolts to attach the stays to the fender.  Unmodified 
> daruma bolts intrude on the interior space of the fender at the fender 
> stays.  
>
>  
>
> Plastic fenders have a flat piece of metal pop-riveted to the fender, 
> protruding only 1mm or 2mm into the interior of the fender.  This area is 
> where I think plastic fenders always have more clearance.  If there is a 
> good solution for attaching fender stays to metal fenders with no interior 
> hardware I would be interested to learn about that hardware.  I imagine I 
> could design and fashion a fender stay mounting object that replaces 
> darumas that has this feature, but if there is already a part or an 
> established method to solve this area, I'd be happy to learn about it.  
>
>  
>
> Possibly the easiest method would be to run Berthoud brand fender stays.  
> Those are typically squished flat at the point that they attach to the 
> metal fender and drilled for bolts.  Run a pan head inside the fender and a 
> nut outside.  That solves the interior hardware problem, you just have to 
> buy extra stays (or always buy Berthoud fenders).  It's only money.  
>
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:58:53 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> Exactly. Put the panhead bolt head or hex button head inside the fender 
> and the nut on the outside. If you have daruma style stays, buy a $5 
> L-bracket from VO (or the sliding crimp fitting that comes standard with 
> most metal fenders and some plastic fenders, crimp it to the fender or cut 
> it up to make your own L-bracket)  - mount one side to the fender and the 
> other to the daruma bolt (play with the orientation for best appearance. 
> Can also use pop rivets ($4 with coupon for rivet gun, $4.80 for 500 rivets 
> with coupon at Harbor Freight) to attach to fender for maximum clearance 
> (use the aluminum rivets and pound or press them flat). You can also get 
> aluminum angle at Lowes or Home Depot and make really nice aluminum 
> L-brackets with a hacksaw, file and drill. If you have a bench grinder, it 
> goes quicker. With a rat tail file, you can make a squiggly point an the 
> bracket to match your lugs. Boulder Bike used to sell nice L-brackets (may 
> have been Berthouds) , they still have some beautiful diamond shaped fender 
> reinforcements.
>
>  
>
> The most difficult thing that I am putting fenders on is a Hubbuhubbuh 
> with 2.3 tires and linear brakes. The center stays at the rear have very 
> little side clearance and the linear brake cables are just above the tires. 
> The fenders will need to be cut or narrowed at the center stays and 

RE: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Laing Conley]

I was talking about the stays. The L bracket attaches to the fender with the 
thick hardware facing out, thin button head or rivet head inside the fender. 
The daruma is rotated 90 degrees on the stay and goes through the L bracket 
instead of the fender – the daruma never touches the fender. The daruma is 
parallel to the fender, not perpendicular.

Laing




From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:12 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

Laing described ways to avoid having bulky hardware inside the fender at the 
places the fender attaches to the rear brake bridge and fork crown.  In that 
description, he repeatedly used the word "stays".

I think we're misunderstanding each other.  I wasn't talking about clearance at 
bridges.  I was talking about fender stay hardware.  I think 'fender stays' are 
an actual thing.  These are fender stays:

[Image result for honjo fender stays]

Fender stays attach to the fender at one end and near the rear drop out or fork 
tip on the other end.  The typical hardware that is used to attach fender stays 
to the metal fender is one or two daruma bolts.  The daruma bolts that come 
with Honjo, Velo Orange, and Berthoud metal fenders have a fairly tall height 
inside the fender.  Depending on the vendor and the setup the internal daruma 
hardware will be 4mm to 8mm tall, inside the fender.  Often, when I correctly 
install metal fenders with correct equal spacing to the tire all around, the 
place most likely to rub the tire will be the fender stay hardware touching the 
tire in this area.  One could re-shape the fender to not have proper clearance 
at the fender stays, but that can cause other problems: it looks bad, you have 
more front TCO, and you increase the risk of sucking a stick into a big gap 
that decreases as the wheel rolls.  The "falsehood" I was spreading was just a 
statement of fact: most metal fenders come with round fender stays.  Most metal 
fenders come with daruma bolts to attach the stays to the fender.  Unmodified 
daruma bolts intrude on the interior space of the fender at the fender stays.

Plastic fenders have a flat piece of metal pop-riveted to the fender, 
protruding only 1mm or 2mm into the interior of the fender.  This area is where 
I think plastic fenders always have more clearance.  If there is a good 
solution for attaching fender stays to metal fenders with no interior hardware 
I would be interested to learn about that hardware.  I imagine I could design 
and fashion a fender stay mounting object that replaces darumas that has this 
feature, but if there is already a part or an established method to solve this 
area, I'd be happy to learn about it.

Possibly the easiest method would be to run Berthoud brand fender stays.  Those 
are typically squished flat at the point that they attach to the metal fender 
and drilled for bolts.  Run a pan head inside the fender and a nut outside.  
That solves the interior hardware problem, you just have to buy extra stays (or 
always buy Berthoud fenders).  It's only money.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:58:53 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
Exactly. Put the panhead bolt head or hex button head inside the fender and the 
nut on the outside. If you have daruma style stays, buy a $5 L-bracket from VO 
(or the sliding crimp fitting that comes standard with most metal fenders and 
some plastic fenders, crimp it to the fender or cut it up to make your own 
L-bracket)  - mount one side to the fender and the other to the daruma bolt 
(play with the orientation for best appearance. Can also use pop rivets ($4 
with coupon for rivet gun, $4.80 for 500 rivets with coupon at Harbor Freight) 
to attach to fender for maximum clearance (use the aluminum rivets and pound or 
press them flat). You can also get aluminum angle at Lowes or Home Depot and 
make really nice aluminum L-brackets with a hacksaw, file and drill. If you 
have a bench grinder, it goes quicker. With a rat tail file, you can make a 
squiggly point an the bracket to match your lugs. Boulder Bike used to sell 
nice L-brackets (may have been Berthouds) , they still have some beautiful 
diamond shaped fender reinforcements.

The most difficult thing that I am putting fenders on is a Hubbuhubbuh with 2.3 
tires and linear brakes. The center stays at the rear have very little side 
clearance and the linear brake cables are just above the tires. The fenders 
will need to be cut or narrowed at the center stays and probably cut (or 
possibly slotted) at the brake cables. Honjo H95s (I believe the SimWorks are 
the same) are plenty wide enough. They are wide and use two darumas - you just 
put the darumas to the outside of each side of the fender to avoid the center 
of the tire, or I could use two L-brackets.

I am also putting H95s on my Bombadil - it has so much clearance to the 57 mm 
G-Ones that nothing special needs to be done.

[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Arthur Mayfield]

I have a Dirt Drop on my Sam, and a Technomic on my Frank Jones Sr, and both 
were chosen for aesthetics, since either would have put my bars in the right 
position for me. I like the Dirt Drop on bikes with sloping top tubes, and 
Technomics on bikes with level or nearly level top tubes. When you look at them 
from the side (regardless of handlebars), the bikes look better to me if the 
stems follow or approximate the line of the top tube.

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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Bill Lindsay]

Laing described ways to avoid having bulky hardware inside the fender at 
the places the fender attaches to the rear brake bridge and fork crown.  In 
that description, he repeatedly used the word "stays".  

I think we're misunderstanding each other.  I wasn't talking about 
clearance at bridges.  I was talking about fender stay hardware.  I think 
'fender stays' are an actual thing.  These are fender stays:

[image: Image result for honjo fender stays]

Fender stays attach to the fender at one end and near the rear drop out or 
fork tip on the other end.  The typical hardware that is used to attach 
fender stays to the metal fender is one or two daruma bolts.  The daruma 
bolts that come with Honjo, Velo Orange, and Berthoud metal fenders have a 
fairly tall height inside the fender.  Depending on the vendor and the 
setup the internal daruma hardware will be 4mm to 8mm tall, inside the 
fender.  Often, when I correctly install metal fenders with correct equal 
spacing to the tire all around, the place most likely to rub the tire will 
be the fender stay hardware touching the tire in this area.  One could 
re-shape the fender to not have proper clearance at the fender stays, but 
that can cause other problems: it looks bad, you have more front TCO, and 
you increase the risk of sucking a stick into a big gap that decreases as 
the wheel rolls.  The "falsehood" I was spreading was just a statement of 
fact: most metal fenders come with round fender stays.  Most metal fenders 
come with daruma bolts to attach the stays to the fender.  Unmodified 
daruma bolts intrude on the interior space of the fender at the fender 
stays.  

Plastic fenders have a flat piece of metal pop-riveted to the fender, 
protruding only 1mm or 2mm into the interior of the fender.  This area is 
where I think plastic fenders always have more clearance.  If there is a 
good solution for attaching fender stays to metal fenders with no interior 
hardware I would be interested to learn about that hardware.  I imagine I 
could design and fashion a fender stay mounting object that replaces 
darumas that has this feature, but if there is already a part or an 
established method to solve this area, I'd be happy to learn about it.  

Possibly the easiest method would be to run Berthoud brand fender stays.  
Those are typically squished flat at the point that they attach to the 
metal fender and drilled for bolts.  Run a pan head inside the fender and a 
nut outside.  That solves the interior hardware problem, you just have to 
buy extra stays (or always buy Berthoud fenders).  It's only money.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 11:58:53 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> Exactly. Put the panhead bolt head or hex button head inside the fender 
> and the nut on the outside. If you have daruma style stays, buy a $5 
> L-bracket from VO (or the sliding crimp fitting that comes standard with 
> most metal fenders and some plastic fenders, crimp it to the fender or cut 
> it up to make your own L-bracket)  - mount one side to the fender and the 
> other to the daruma bolt (play with the orientation for best appearance. 
> Can also use pop rivets ($4 with coupon for rivet gun, $4.80 for 500 rivets 
> with coupon at Harbor Freight) to attach to fender for maximum clearance 
> (use the aluminum rivets and pound or press them flat). You can also get 
> aluminum angle at Lowes or Home Depot and make really nice aluminum 
> L-brackets with a hacksaw, file and drill. If you have a bench grinder, it 
> goes quicker. With a rat tail file, you can make a squiggly point an the 
> bracket to match your lugs. Boulder Bike used to sell nice L-brackets (may 
> have been Berthouds) , they still have some beautiful diamond shaped fender 
> reinforcements.
>
> The most difficult thing that I am putting fenders on is a Hubbuhubbuh 
> with 2.3 tires and linear brakes. The center stays at the rear have very 
> little side clearance and the linear brake cables are just above the tires. 
> The fenders will need to be cut or narrowed at the center stays and 
> probably cut (or possibly slotted) at the brake cables. Honjo H95s (I 
> believe the SimWorks are the same) are plenty wide enough. They are wide 
> and use two darumas - you just put the darumas to the outside of each side 
> of the fender to avoid the center of the tire, or I could use two 
> L-brackets.
>
> I am also putting H95s on my Bombadil - it has so much clearance to the 57 
> mm G-Ones that nothing special needs to be done.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 1:21:03 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
>> The berthoud fender stays are very nice. They bolt directly to the fender 
>> and you can put the small button head end on the inside. I’ve replaced the 
>> stock stays on longboards with berthoud ones and I think it gives a stiffer 
>> result as well as eliminating the internal hardware that some folks claim 
>> sends water from inside the fender onto your feet. If I ever 

[RBW] Aesthetics Issue

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Given how aesthetically challenged I am it hardly seems right to make a doomed 
attempt to compensate through the aesthetics of me bike. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: PSA 59CM Custom Riv on FC CL

[M D Smith]

Infamous - doesn’t that mean *more than* famous??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6_i_eSgR8

Let’s not get started on plethora...

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[phil k]

I like both! 

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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[RBW] Re: Paul motolite reviews?

[phil k]

Good choice Justin. The Motolites will not clear fork crown hole to use 
with mini racks.

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:48:04 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I'm happy with my mini rack/fender/Docena set up. So I went ahead and 
> ordered neo retros and canti levers. 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: Bikeinsights.com: great geometry resource

[Eric Daume]

I think the Riv lugs hide the extension better than the plain head tube of
something like the New Albion. Plus, the extension on a Riv is actually
functional, in that it lets you get the bars higher. On a threadless bike,
bar height is really dictated by the steerer length (carbon forks excepted)

On Friday, May 17, 2019, Fullylugged  wrote:

> Eric says: "As a result, bikes with stupid looking extended head tubes
> (eg, New Albion Privateer) don't correctly compare the top tube angle."
>
>   This is a Rivendell trend too, starting with the Road Standard around
> 1996 and forward. Extended HT was meant to allow quill stems to get up
> higher for more comfort. My earlier '95 Road does not have an extended HT
> (which is one way to tell it apart from a "Standard"). My Ram does have the
> extended HT. I like them both, actually.
>
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Re: [RBW] PSA: Bikeinsights.com: great geometry resource

[Fullylugged]

Eric says: "As a result, bikes with stupid looking extended head tubes (eg, New 
Albion Privateer) don't correctly compare the top tube angle."

  This is a Rivendell trend too, starting with the Road Standard around 1996 
and forward. Extended HT was meant to allow quill stems to get up higher for 
more comfort. My earlier '95 Road does not have an extended HT (which is one 
way to tell it apart from a "Standard"). My Ram does have the extended HT. I 
like them both, actually.

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[RBW] Re: Paul motolite reviews?

[jandrews]

Anyone using these with Drops and are happy with your Motolite / Lever 
combination ?



On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:48:04 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I'm happy with my mini rack/fender/Docena set up. So I went ahead and 
> ordered neo retros and canti levers. 

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[jandrews]

Jim S, 
have you set this combo up on your Appaloosa?
Care to share thoughts/pics?




On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:30:06 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
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> Jeff, how about dirt drop stem and crust towel rack on a Joe Appaloosa? 
> That's what I'm playing around with.

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Mountain Bike site

[Thomas Blak]

That was certainly a blast from the past. Seeing those again brought back 
some fond memories of what I consider the golden age of mountain biking. 

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Ash]

I like the looks of Technomic/Tallux stems, but never understood the point 
of a tall stem with downward angle.  If it had a 90 deg or slight upward 
angle I wouldn't have to raise it so high.  So, while the stem itself is 
pretty, overall cockpit setup does not look all that great.

If there was a dirt drop (and in black) with 120mm reach I would  gone with 
that instead of Tallux.


On Friday, 17 May 2019 07:16:40 UTC+5:30, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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[RBW] Vintage Mountain Bike site

[tc]

Wow, there are some nice bikes here:  
http://www.vintagemtbworkshop.com/the-collection.html

Riv's take a couple of cues from the old Ritchey bikes in that they have a 
point at the top of the seat tube (which I didn't know was a Ritchey 
calling card), and of course a modified Bullmoose bar.  And take a look at 
that 1978 Breezer Series 1 - simply awesome!

It's also interesting that so many of these had negative-sloped top tubes...

Tom

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[RBW] Re: PSA 59CM Custom Riv on FC CL

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wish people would stop using "infamous" incorrectly. Or at least I hope 
they are: 

"*Boasting their infamous style, design and quality craftsmanship, this is 
the epitome of bicycle culture."*

Designating a particular bicycle as the "epitome" of something as broad and 
nebulous as "bicycle culture" also makes little sense. Nice color though.

1. disreputable, ill-famed, notorious. 2. disgraceful, scandalous; nefarious, 
odious, wicked, shocking, vile, base, heinous, villainous.

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-4, Neil wrote:
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> I wish people would stop painting their names on top tubes. Think about 
> the second hand market!

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

But seriously, for the Crust Towel Rack I would use some good 1/4" anchors. 
Either that or make sure to hit a beam.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:56:42 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> That reminds me of the old joke, starts out, IIRC, This stem walks into a 
> bar and says, Hey, give me a wrap...
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
>> stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
>> bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
>> everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
>> Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>>>
>>> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first 
>>> reaction is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to 
>>> like it. But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit 
>>> this is a first-world problem)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That reminds me of the old joke, starts out, IIRC, This stem walks into a 
bar and says, Hey, give me a wrap...

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
> stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
> bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
> everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
> Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>>
>> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
>> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
>> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
>> first-world problem)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Garth]

It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 



On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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