Well here's another Paul adding a response.
I relate to a lot of what has been shared and appreciate many of the thoughtful
responses.
Also, I'm another cyclist getting up there in years beginning about age 35 with
my first good bike.
It's hard to get my mind around it but I am about 3 years
Paul, my guess is that had you been 100 ft closer to the intersection you would
have sensed that something was not right (probably hearing a car coming and
that it wasn’t slowing) and reacted in such a way that you were not creamed.
Even the driver may have acted differently, not that I’m
Congratulations, looks gorgeous. If I had to do it all over again I'd get a
Riv custom. Look forward to updates on geometry and components.
Mark
Pescadero
On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
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Do you think the Jones bag will work without the front straps on the Jones Bend
bars (without the front loop)?
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Revelate Sweetroll handlebar bag large
Brand new, never used. Add $5 for Jones loop bar mount kit.
$90 shipped
Rapha waterproof bar pack
Used once on an XS bike and rubbed the tire.
I can patch it on both sides with construction grade ZIP tape if you like.
$80 shipped
Jones loop bag
Not must
Paul, I hardly give cyclists a bad name. Quite the opposite.
It’s not my style to be mad at complete strangers on the Internet, so I’m not
going to be. You have yourself a nice weekend.
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> On Jan 31, 2020, at 4:51 PM, PaulS wrote:
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> “ Las Vegas municipal laws prohibit
I live in Northern California. Everyone not living in N. CA. thinks I live in
San Francisco.
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I don’t live in Vegas.
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> On Jan 31, 2020, at 4:51 PM, PaulS wrote:
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> “ Las Vegas municipal laws prohibit riding a bicycle on the sidewalk within
> city limits – including on the Strip.“
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> Nevada may not specifically state no sidewalk riding, but each
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“ Las Vegas municipal laws prohibit riding a bicycle on the sidewalk within
city limits – including on the Strip.“
Nevada may not specifically state no sidewalk riding, but each
city/municipalities have their own ordinances. For instance, in Vegas, no
riding within city limits. Check your
I think it was pretty clear based on context that 465mm is my approximate /
estimated "upper limit" based on the equilibrium of the various trade-offs.
I also prefaced that this is for an "all rounder" type bike specifically,
and that it's approximate because there are a lot of other geometry /
"Sidewalk" denotes a myriad of different things in different places. I've seen
the sidewalk Leah is referencing in videos she'd posted on Instagram, and it's
as wide as streets in Berkeley I drive to go visit my daughter. There's one
like that near Riv HQ, too, which you HAVE to use part-way to
Sidewalk riding is legal in Nevada. If there is a bike lane (rarely, where I
ride), you are supposed to bike in it. If I am on a fast-moving road and
there’s an unprotected bike lane and there are also no pedestrians in sight - I
ride on the sidewalk. The sidewalks are wide here, maybe 7 or 8
On 1/31/20 6:52 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
"Be extremely careful at intersections. You're not where drivers expect you to
be..."
I've found this to be true as a pedestrian, too. Drivers just don't seem to
expect anyone to be walking!
Maybe, but it's far worse when you're moving at three
Which is why I said I slow up or stop at every intersection and I make eye
contact with drivers. So far so good.
Let me reiterate: Do I ride on sidewalks all the time? No. If there are
pedestrians I walk the bike. Not if there are MUPs - there often are. Not if
it’s a quiet neighborhood. I
I've had lots of close calls as well. Now, I primarily ride dirt/gravel.
You should try it. Early (5am) road rides are ok as well.
*And please do not ride on the sidewalk*. Very bad form and as someone
said, illegal in most areas. In my state, if there is no bike lane or
shoulder, you can
"Be extremely careful at intersections. You're not where drivers expect you to
be..."
I've found this to be true as a pedestrian, too. Drivers just don't seem to
expect anyone to be walking!
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Be extremely careful at intersections. You're not where drivers expect
you to be, you're going much faster than pedestrians would be going, and
you may be going in an unexpected direction. All this adds up to a much
better chance of a collision at an intersection than you might think.
On
If you're crowding pedestrians and being a nuisance, the cops will kick you off
the sidewalk. Clearly that's not you and they have better things to do. Like
pull over morons texting and driving.
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So is texting and driving (illegal), but it’s rampant. So I’ll use my common
sense over obeying the rarely enforced sidewalk law. I’ll chance a ticket over
a funeral.
I rode on a main thoroughfare today on the sidewalk. By the police station.
With police passing by. I should technically be
On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
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> "You just can't be absolutely certain of anything out there, eye contact
> or not."
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This is part of why I'm thinking of giving it up. No amount of care can
overcome the behavior of every driver. Sooner or
Riding on the side wallks is illegal where I live, unless the sidewalk is part
of signed multi-use pathway. I'm active in working to make our streets safer
for cyclists and pedestrians when they are crossing them.
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 04:58:54 PM CST, Leah Peterson
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Party on, Garth
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I agree with Mas about sidewalks. If the sidewalks are clear, use ‘em. If I am
on the sidewalk and I encounter a walker (rare), I will jump off and walk the
bike. Unless it’s an extra-wide one that is made to be shared. Then I just slow
way down and smile and wave.
I don’t want to hear “riding
Ahhh, that takes me back Bobby, thanks for making the offer. That badge
poster was the first. = 8 years ago. I borrowed all the badges from RIv
(they were sent back with a few copies of the poster) and took all the shot
on an old slice of a tree stump. then "mounted" them on a "Baggins-canvas"
I agree with all of this. Stays can be too short. I was just wondering at what
point they become too long.
I have ridden bikes with stays at 470 and over — eg, Trek 720, various other
touring and a few cargo bikes — and for general use, I prefer shorter stays.
Purely a feel thing, at 470 and
me
I agree. I have ridden bikes with stays at 470 and over — eg, Trek 720, various
other touring and a few cargo bikes — and for general use, I prefer shorter
stays. Purely a feel thing, at 470 and above frames start to feel boat-y to me,
I don’t like the wider turn radius, I feel little to no
I agree. I have ridden bikes with stays at 470 and over — eg, Trek 720, various
other touring and a few cargo bikes — and for general use, not touring, etc, I
prefer shorter stays. Purely a feel thing, at 470 and above frames start to
feel boat-y to me, I don’t like the wider turn radius, I
Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot lately! I'm only 57, but I can't
go like I used to; when I was 20 my strategy was to ride offensively; in other
words I made a spectacle out of myself by riding, ah, well, maybe flamboyantly
is a good word? A whole mess of activity.
I knew a girl
No existence existing exists in a vacuum, a-part-from or other than
"Existence Itself" .
Indivisibility
A bicycle or any identification/identity does not and cannot exist
independently from the Life in/as which Existences Exist-ness Exists.
"Existence Itself" is All there/that Exists.
Again, why do you believe this? Why do you pick 46.5? I ask because I find
it puzzling that these kinds of statements get made but with no explanation
as to why, not even anecdotal experiences. I of course have no problem if
you only want to ride bikes with ,46.5 chainstays (a couple of my
You're "not a fan" because why? Which extra long bikes do you have
experience with? What was wrong with the handling (not being able to pop
wheelies notwithstanding)? Just curious.
On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
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> Fair enough. That still leaves the handling of
Yes, except it is fear that has killed his *urge*, due to an experience in
which he imagined what might have happened if he had been 100 feet closer
to someone who went through a stop sign, and his own physical challenges.
He is asking if he is overreacting, and if other iBobs have dealt with
While the longer stays do create a longer moment arm, they also facilitate
better load sharing between front and rear wheels so that's bound to help,
as well as the flex characteristics of the frame could distribute the
stresses better - nothing we can prove without a good FEA model, but fun to
Bill, your response tripped me knuckle headed brain to remember a few other
bits I wanted to say, as well as a few new ones:
- Writing in to a bike group inherently has a "I want to ride but have this
challenge" component to it. Absolutely, if riding is no longer fun or
desired and
Correct, Bill, this was my first response to him. Riding bicycles is optional,
walking is nice, too.
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Most of the responses appear to be recommendations and encouragement on how
to manage the risks associated with cycling and the fear of those risks.
Maybe that's the important part for the OP. My main takeaway was that the
OP hasn't ridden for months and has no urge to ride. If you don't
I’d like the silver Racers, please. I’ll PM.
Tom
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Fair enough. That still leaves the handling of extra long bikes, of which I am
not a fan for general use — obviously cargo bikes need to be extra long — but a
lot of other people seem to like it, or at least aren’t bothered by it, so
there we are.
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I've at least twice had drivers blow through red lights or stop signs at
speed just as I was approaching on a bike; on one occasion I was heading
north just a few 10s of feet south of an intersection when a woman driving
east ran a stop sign at 35 mph and t-boned a car heading south, knocking
hard
Paul -
I'm sitting here in a chair with a boot cast almost 3 weeks post-op and
facing about 3 months without being able to do much of anything, then
several months of rehab. I am 62 years old and I chose to go through this
so I could have a shot at riding my bike again and get back to the bike
Leah - while I agree with your friend's father's eye-contact rule there's
no guarantee that it will be accurate 100% of the time. Three or four
years ago an unfortunate but related incident occurred with the in-law of
one of my wife's nieces. He rides a Ti framed bike with 23mm tires at very
So sorry to hear about your scare.
I found this article to be very helpful regarding visibility on a bike
https://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/
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For me the eye contact rule and wave and smile at all cars/drivers,
combined with never presuming I have the right of way even when I do,
eliminates 99.99% of all close calls and makes the ride far more enjoyable.
Today, I was climbing after a wee snow, it was 16˚F, and several drivers
rolled
I consider my riding to be more of a lifestyle than a hobby. I use my bicycle
for 90% of my shopping, errand, and socializing trips. My response above was
based on the op's position as a recreational rider. But there are those who
choose to ride for more than just hobby or recreational
I'm kinda glad someone decided to post on this subject because I've been in
a similar situation for a while now. A little over 15 years ago I moved
from a small town (<20K)/rural area to a very densely populated
urban/suburban area and more or less figured that my carefree riding on
sparsely
Just a little anecdote
The eye contact rule. It actually isn’t my own idea - it’s a practice I
borrowed from my best friend’s dad. He is a cardio thoracic surgeon and has a
ti Seven he has been riding to work for many years. His commute is 11 mi each
way. Since a surgeon’s livelihood
PG
I've had the same thoughts during the last few years. (will be 72 in April)
I was living in a high density area and although my past involvement in
motorcycles taught me to anticipate the worst, I was getting less and less
comfortable riding on the roads.
I retired last summer and part of
Unfortunately Paul's experiences are not uncommon. Riding on the road has
definitely gotten worse a cell phones and a generally frantic pace have
become common.
Paul, even though you say mountain and trail riding don't appeal to you,
there is a wide range of riding that is not gonzo mountain
Paul-
It’s a hobby, not a necessity. If you’re not having fun, don’t do it.
Find another way to exercise, because at our age (I’m 70), it is exercise
or die.
I would miss the sounds, smells, feel of the pavement, and even the
headwinds if I quit cycling. My opinion is that the best way to
That Hunqapillar piece! How about I move to NJ/PA? Give me a month or two?
Very kind of you to pass these along.
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At age 64 I find that bicycling is too much fun to stop so I am careful,
defensive, establish eye contact with drivers, wave at drivers, thank
drivers for being safe, wear a helmet, ride with a bright headlight, avoid
riding on roads without a wide shoulder and ride trails as much as I can.
Paul:
I'm the same age as you are. My desire to ride ebbs and flows over time. I'm
enjoying more these days than I have in a while, but I can relate to not
feeling like a ride. You might enjoy working on bikes to stay around them, if
you refer not to ride them. As part of our club local
It's a sad commentary on the road our society has taken when people are in
justifiable fear of simply using the most efficient, convivial tool ever
created for human transport. There are real statistics and percentages, but
also our minds, and the weight we give those numbers, and how we
I'm 67 and am in Florida, the number one state for bike fatalities. I just
ride defensively and try to anticipate what a motorist might do. It's not
difficult to plan a ride when the traffic is minimal.
On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 7:34:28 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
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> I'm turning 67 in a week,
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