[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Nick Payne]

 I had a brief look and switched back:

a) When you look at the group overview, there doesn't appear to be anything 
to indicate which threads have any new posts.

b) All the toolbar icons are pretty much identical. You have to hover the 
mouse over each one to see what it does.


On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 1:20:24 pm UTC+10 Kieran J wrote:

> I tried the new one and then immediately switched it back LOL.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:06:35 PM UTC-7, eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>> i am thinking newer may not be better. you?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black

[Evan E.]

I vote for the black saddle. (Looks better against the frame's color.)

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[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Kieran J]

I tried the new one and then immediately switched it back LOL.

KJ


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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 9:01:11 am UTC+10 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
 

> At the same pressure (psi) the larger the tire, the more force is applied 
> to the rim's sidewalls.
>

Yes, for a given pressure, stress in the walls of a cylindrical pressure 
vessel (of which a tyre is a good approximation) is proportional to the 
diameter of the vessel. So a 50mm tyre at any pressure will put about twice 
as much stress on the walls of the rim as a 25mm tyre at the same pressure. 
Conversely, a 50mm tyre at, say, 35psi, and a 25mm tyre at 70psi will put 
approximately equal stresses on the rim wall.

On the bike I have that takes that sort of tyhre size, with 55mm tyres I 
run the front at 25pis and the rear at 35psi (H Plus Son Todestrieb rims).

Nick

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[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agreed. When it comes to Groups, Google has lost the plot.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Chris L]

Wow.   I weigh 385 and I pump any 50+ mm tire to 45 psi and consider that 
higher than I really need.   

I've been riding Dyads and have had 50+ mm tires on them probably 95% of 
the time.  I don't do huge miles but the wheels are about 7-8 years old.  
Zero problems with the rims or wheels.  


On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:01:11 PM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>
>  For example, Schwalbe says that if the rider weighs 240 lbs, a 50mm wide 
> tire should be inflated to 70psi. This is absurd. 
>
> Peter White
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[RBW] fresh new look for google groups?????

[eddietheflay]

i am thinking newer may not be better. you?

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Re: [RBW] Organized Rides 2020

[Fullylugged]

RUSA is re-starting with 200K rides in July.  I ran a 100/200/300K ride this 
past Saturday without incident, using staggered times.  Our Montgomery annual 
century is still on in October. It has 30, 62, 100 and 124 mi options.

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Andrew Huston]

Aye Deacon, may we all find the kind and bright heart you share!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Andrew Letton]

 Could it be that your Dyads were simply worn thin from the brake pads? I run 
50-57mm tires on Dyads on my Bombadil with no problems...admittedly at low 
pressure; less than 35psi.cheers,Andrew
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 09:52:38 AM GMT+10, John Rinker 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Adam. The fine people at Velocity have offered to replace the Dyads 
with Cliffhangers, so this may be the route I go.
Cheers,John

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 11:35:50 AM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
Sorry to hear your rim broke! Cliffhangers are great and can easily handle a 
50mm tire. 

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:50:22 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
Good morning,
Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims 
splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running some 
Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I am told 
by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are too big for 
these rims. 
I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the Dyad to 
run these tires. Any recommendations?
Cheers,John



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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[John Rinker]

Thanks Adam. The fine people at Velocity have offered to replace the Dyads 
with Cliffhangers, so this may be the route I go.

Cheers,
John

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 11:35:50 AM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear your rim broke! Cliffhangers are great and can easily handle 
> a 50mm tire. 
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:50:22 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims 
>> splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running 
>> some Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I 
>> am told by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are 
>> too big for these rims. 
>>
>> I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the 
>> Dyad to run these tires. Any recommendations?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[John Rinker]

Thanks Garth for that fine list of recommendations. I always had very good 
luck with Mavic 719s. Can't find them is silver anymore.

Cheers,
John

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:00:43 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> I think Velocity's conservative rating are more to do with 
> minimizing/discouraging legal/warranty claims. A rim such as a Dyad ought 
> to handle a 50mm tire. The wheel build itself has to be taken into account 
> though, as well as air pressure.  
>
> For other rims...
> DT TK540 is spec'd as being suitable for 23-60mm tires. 
> Alex DM24 for even bigger. I'll have these for my Susie. 
> Sun Rhyno Lite. I have one wheel with these. 
> Mavic's A319 and A719, spec'd @47mm though some European retailers note 
> 50mm works also. I have the A719 with Big Ben's on my Bombadil and will be 
> trying some Vittoria Terrene 2.1's. Many riders report riding them up to 
> 2.35's. 
> Cliffhangers 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[John Rinker]

Peter,

Thank you for your insight on this. I weigh about 180lbs and run my 
Marathons at around 25 psi and 32 psi front a rear respectively (a little 
more depending what I'm carrying). I don't know if these lower pressures 
are a culprit, but it doesn't seem so according to what you've said. 
Velocity has been great about offering to replace the rim with a more 
suitable one (Cliffhanger). 

On my mountain bikes, I've run Mavic 719s forever with 2.25 tires. These 
rims seem to have a similar width as the Dyads, and I've never split a rim 
with fat tires. I got a set of wheels that are almost 20 years old and they 
still ride true after being beat to hell and back on my hardtail. 

Cheers,
John

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
>
> I'm a Velocity distributor. But their recommended tire sizes make no sense 
> to me.
>
> The problem with fat tires isn't that they're fat. It's that the tire 
> manufacturers give pressure ratings that only take into account the tire's 
> ability to stay on the rim, rather than a tire pressure that actually 
> delivers a good ride, and doesn't put excessive force on the sidewall of 
> the rim. For example, Schwalbe says that if the rider weighs 240 lbs, a 
> 50mm wide tire should be inflated to 70psi. This is absurd. At the same 
> pressure (psi) the larger the tire, the more force is applied to the rim's 
> sidewalls. It's POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH, and when you increase the square 
> inches of the tire's surface area, you increase the load on the sidewalls 
> of the rim. So it's no wonder that we see rims failing due to cracks in the 
> sidewalls, and cracks under the rim strips.
>
> Peter White
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:50 PM John Rinker  > wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims 
>> splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running 
>> some Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I 
>> am told by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are 
>> too big for these rims. 
>>
>> I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the 
>> Dyad to run these tires. Any recommendations?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Travel bikes

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This bike has the same problem that my Dahon Speedhound had: It’s too big when 
folded to count as checked baggage. 

Southwest Airlines (and I think most airlines have similar policies) counts 
anything larger than 62 inches when height, width and length are combined *or* 
more than 50 pounds as “oversize” or “overweight” and therefore subject to 
fees. This particular bike would be 77 inches (folded size 14 x 27 x 36 = 77) 
and would be charged the same as a full-sized non-folding bike in a full-sized 
box. 

The only advantage, I guess, is that the Allegro would be easier to handle 
between airport and ground transport. Other than that, you’re still going to 
pay a lot to take this on an airplane—$150 to $200 per trip. That adds up.

My Brompton, by the way, goes into a hard case that’s 25 x 25 x 12 (total of 62 
inches, just at the limit) and weights 48 pounds with the bike, saddle bag, and 
a floor pump. Southwest just puts it on the plane with no argument and no fee.

If I’m doing a very long ride at my destination (like a brevet or PBP), I will 
bring a full-sized bike and pay the fee. If I’m just riding for fun, I bring 
the Brompton.

--Eric Norris
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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:25 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
> 
> or Dahon Allegro:
> 
> https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dahon-allegro-breakaway-folding-bike-194833770
>  
> 
> 
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our intended 
> use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British Isles. We 
> also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so I'd like 
> something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive marine 
> environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
> 
> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to 
> 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and 
> detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, 
> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, 
> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy 
> performance. 
> 
> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes 
> and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel 
> bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something bombproof. 
> Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, especially on bikes 
> with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards designs that utilize a 
> Rohloff hub.
> 
> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do 
> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a 
> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an 
> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
> 
> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Nick Payne]

Schwalbe have the G-One Speed 700x30. I've been running these tubeless for 
a couple of years.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Bill Schairer]

I did a week loaded on the GDMBR last summer with the DT TK540 on the rear and 
50mm Mondials.  I had no issues and wheel didn’t need any truing afterwards.  
As I recall it was an easy build and the rim has a very nice breaking surface.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[Jay P]

Hi Brendan,

(good to see you here !)   Ed Litton just wrapped something up for me, but 
said he'd be out of workshop/office for a month or two starting mid June or 
so.

Mikkelsen may be the closest.

Another possibility is Silva Cycles or Dale Sasso in San Jose.

Jay P.
Berkeley, CA

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:11:30 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I have a steel Ritchey that needs a crack on the chainstay repaired.  I 
> thought Mikkelsen would be the way to go unless anyone has abetter 
> suggestion.  Thanks in advance!
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[RBW] Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[franklyn]

I will second Irving's recommendation of CB cycle. Erik has done multiple 
repair/adding braze-ons for me.

John Fitzgerald of Fitz Cyclez is also great, but he is in Santa Rosa.

Franklyn 

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Peter White]

I'm a Velocity distributor. But their recommended tire sizes make no sense
to me.

The problem with fat tires isn't that they're fat. It's that the tire
manufacturers give pressure ratings that only take into account the tire's
ability to stay on the rim, rather than a tire pressure that actually
delivers a good ride, and doesn't put excessive force on the sidewall of
the rim. For example, Schwalbe says that if the rider weighs 240 lbs, a
50mm wide tire should be inflated to 70psi. This is absurd. At the same
pressure (psi) the larger the tire, the more force is applied to the rim's
sidewalls. It's POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH, and when you increase the square
inches of the tire's surface area, you increase the load on the sidewalls
of the rim. So it's no wonder that we see rims failing due to cracks in the
sidewalls, and cracks under the rim strips.

Peter White

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:50 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims
> splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running
> some Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I
> am told by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are
> too big for these rims.
>
> I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the
> Dyad to run these tires. Any recommendations?
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[eddietheflay]

in Sonoma County, Jeremy Sycip is a master builder. Not sure he does repair 
but you could ask. Super nice guy:

http://sycip.com/

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:11:30 PM UTC-7, Brendan Willard in SF wrote:
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> I have a steel Ritchey that needs a crack on the chainstay repaired.  I 
> thought Mikkelsen would be the way to go unless anyone has abetter 
> suggestion.  Thanks in advance!
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[RBW] Re: Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[eddietheflay]

Does Mikkelsen have a good helper these days? I know he had a stroke a 
number of years ago and was less than 100% when I had him do work on my 
Kogswell with a dent in the top tube.

And I have not worked with Litton but have heard many a story about less 
than timely response and turnaround. Obviously he is good to great at what 
he does.

If the problem on your frame is just the chain stay that would suggest it 
would be not too expensive to ship that half of the frame to someone who is 
both competent and timely.

I wonder about the crack in your frame. I have two friends who had Ti 
Breakaway frames and both suffered longitudinal cracks in the chain stay. 
Ritchey replaced them under warranty cuz it looked like poor quality tubes. 

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:11:30 PM UTC-7, Brendan Willard in SF wrote:
>
> I have a steel Ritchey that needs a crack on the chainstay repaired.  I 
> thought Mikkelsen would be the way to go unless anyone has abetter 
> suggestion.  Thanks in advance!
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[Irving]

CB Cycles 

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:11:30 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I have a steel Ritchey that needs a crack on the chainstay repaired.  I 
> thought Mikkelsen would be the way to go unless anyone has abetter 
> suggestion.  Thanks in advance!
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Och, Andy! I am sorry for the need for respite from trouble/ing and 
thankful these are a wee smackeral of som'at fortifying. May the healing 
balm of peace beyond understanding be upon you and yours.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 12:59:20 PM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, your pictures and places are a great respite to me from troubles 
> and the troubling. I feel like I am a bit stronger in my tasks by the 
> images from your efforts.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[eddietheflay]

or Dahon Allegro:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dahon-allegro-breakaway-folding-bike-194833770

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our 
> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British 
> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so 
> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive 
> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
>
> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to 
> 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and 
> detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, 
> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, 
> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy 
> performance. 
>
> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes 
> and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel 
> bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something 
> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, 
> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards 
> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.
>
> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do 
> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a 
> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an 
> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
>
> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[eddietheflay]

Dahon Tournado info:

https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/200806_Cyclesense_Schubert.pdf

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our 
> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British 
> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so 
> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive 
> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
>
> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to 
> 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and 
> detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, 
> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, 
> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy 
> performance. 
>
> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes 
> and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel 
> bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something 
> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, 
> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards 
> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.
>
> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do 
> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a 
> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an 
> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
>
> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oops. Here's the link to their dizzying array of smocks:

https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
> lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
> same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
> exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/
>
> They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
> waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
> THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
> (good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)
>
> They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
> anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you 
>> have? I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/

They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
(good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)

They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you have? 
> I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Noodles, 44cm

[David Wadstrup]

I think I might have priced these too high, so a price cut is in order.  

How does $20 plus shipping sound?  



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[RBW] Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[Bill Lindsay]

If it were me, my first call would be to Ed Litton. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Frame repair in the Bay Area?

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I have a steel Ritchey that needs a crack on the chainstay repaired.  I 
thought Mikkelsen would be the way to go unless anyone has abetter 
suggestion.  Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

[Andrew Huston]

I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you have? I’m 
seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sweet spot to ride to, Jason! I love when clouds and mountains play and 
make me wonder what I should be wearing. Grin. Have you turned your wee 
beastie to any trail riding in those hills? If so, how does it do? I've 
been amazed how I can ride all terrains, with a bit more caution and LCG 
(lowest common gear, hike a bike) my Quickbeam can do with 38mm tires.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:40:26 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_20200621_132354.jpg]
>
> Rode out to this lake (to the right) which is a ways inland from where I 
> started.  110km round trip, but only 500m elevation gain thankfully! 
> On Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 07:47:09 UTC-7 Carl wrote:
>
>> Heading up Elk Mountain outside of Asheville NC.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>>>
>>> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety 
>>> of levels I just want to share it. 
>>>
>>> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
>>> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
>>> good exercise, renewing,
>>> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
>>> inspiring, and restorative. 
>>> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>>>
>>> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
>>> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
>>> yourself but share it.
>>>
>>> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already 
>>> but I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just 
>>> started this one.
>>>
>>> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to 
>>> go on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>>>
>>> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>> [image: Image]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Steven Sweedler]

Jay, they are on ebay, Steve

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Ryan, thanks for the heads up -  not sure what bikes you’re referring to
> though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> > On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jay,
> >
> > There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff
> hubs (2 previous European Tours).  One large one Small, designed for 6’2”
> male rider and a 5’3” female rider.
> >
> > Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel
> desires as well.
> >
> > Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each.
> > Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want.
> >
> > I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference
> from going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate
> significantly for you or you could essentially try these with little
> additional depreciation.
> >
> > If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe
> you could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday
> modified easily for me at 6’7”.
> >
> > Just a option.  I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might
> have 2 bikes for the price of less than one .
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ryan Hankinson
> > West Michigan
> >
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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.
>

For suppleness, consider Challenge Paris-Roubaix (27 
 mm) or Strada Bianca (30 
 and 36 
 mm) tires in their 
respective "Pro" versions, which are what Challenge calls their tires with 
260 tpi or higher thread count carcasses. They generally run a bit larger 
than stated, especially the P-R, that runs to about 29mm even on fairly 
narrow rims. If you get Challenge products from Europe, they're actually 
reasonably priced too (although still not inexpensive).

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Jason Fuller]

I echo the sentiments before me, spectacular collection of photos!  
On Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 15:02:51 UTC-7 Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm 
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[alan lavine]

I have a Dahon Tournado, bought off CL locally. It’s the only one I’ve ever 
seen, clearly made by Richey.  It’s a very comfortable real, regular bike that 
gets frequent use around town. Just so happens you can take the frame 
apartI’ve traveled with it 3-4 times and never paid for oversized or bike 
fees (what’s in it? Bike parts for display).
I would buy a Breakaway in a heartbeat if something happened to this one.
Does anyone have any more information about this Dahon?
Thanks 
Alan nyc 

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Garth]

I think Velocity's conservative rating are more to do with 
minimizing/discouraging legal/warranty claims. A rim such as a Dyad ought 
to handle a 50mm tire. The wheel build itself has to be taken into account 
though, as well as air pressure.  

For other rims...
DT TK540 is spec'd as being suitable for 23-60mm tires. 
Alex DM24 for even bigger. I'll have these for my Susie. 
Sun Rhyno Lite. I have one wheel with these. 
Mavic's A319 and A719, spec'd @47mm though some European retailers note 
50mm works also. I have the A719 with Big Ben's on my Bombadil and will be 
trying some Vittoria Terrene 2.1's. Many riders report riding them up to 
2.35's. 
Cliffhangers 



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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

[ascpgh]

Patrick, your pictures and places are a great respite to me from troubles and 
the troubling. I feel like I am a bit stronger in my tasks by the images from 
your efforts.

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Jay Lonner]

Ryan, thanks for the heads up -  not sure what bikes you’re referring to 
though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...? 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jay,
> 
> There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff hubs 
> (2 previous European Tours).  One large one Small, designed for 6’2” male 
> rider and a 5’3” female rider.
> 
> Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel desires 
> as well.
> 
> Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each.
> Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want.
> 
> I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference from 
> going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate 
> significantly for you or you could essentially try these with little 
> additional depreciation.
> 
> If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe you 
> could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday modified 
> easily for me at 6’7”.  
> 
> Just a option.  I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might have 2 
> bikes for the price of less than one .
> 
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan 
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[RBW] WTT: Mark’s Rack for Nitto RBW51 Rack

[J Imler]

Traded.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay,

There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff hubs (2 
previous European Tours).  One large one Small, designed for 6’2” male rider 
and a 5’3” female rider.

Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel desires as 
well.

Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each.
Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want.

I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference from 
going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate significantly 
for you or you could essentially try these with little additional depreciation.

If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe you 
could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday modified 
easily for me at 6’7”.  

Just a option.  I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might have 2 
bikes for the price of less than one .

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan 

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Adam Leibow]

Sorry to hear your rim broke! Cliffhangers are great and can easily handle 
a 50mm tire. 

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:50:22 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims 
> splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running 
> some Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I 
> am told by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are 
> too big for these rims. 
>
> I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the 
> Dyad to run these tires. Any recommendations?
>
> Cheers,
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on ordering directly from GB. Even with shipping, their prices are 
substantially lower than purchasing from a US-based vendor. The last two GB 
tires I bought online came directly from them.

--Eric Norris
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Braxton Colagross  
> wrote:
> 
> I ordered two directly from Grand Bois in Kyoto in late February. They 
> arrived in less than a week. Two tires for ~$100. Great price and very fast 
> service. Why is shipping from Japan so fast and inexpensive?
> 
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
> 
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
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[RBW] Re: Dirt droppish questions for smallish impulse buy

[R. Alexis]

Hello!,

I have ridden a couple dirt drops the original Wilderness Trail 
Bike/Specialized/Nitto RM-3 Dirt Drop bar 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/nitto-handlebar-rm3-dirt-drop-2758?page=2=977.
 
I have them on both my WTB Phoenix Steel and Ti along with my OX Brand Ti 
Cruiser with two more bike on deck to get them. I got a Gary Fisher tandem 
with a set of the bars that I plan on moving to my Heron Touring/Wayfarer 
and plan on building up my Ibis Mojo with a set. The other is the Nitto 
RM014 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/nitto-handlebar-rm014f-dirt-drop-31-8mm-4117?page=3=977
 
that I have installed on my 1987 Schwinn Voyageur with a Velo-Orange Cigne 
stem. I have a set of the Salsa Woodchipper in in 25.4 clamp new in 
package. 

I got both the Nitto RM 014 and Salsa Woodchipper before Nitto finally 
decided to reintroduce the RM-3. I was enamored by the first dirt drop bike 
I saw, a 1990 Trek 970 with WTB Shifter mounts owned by a bike shop manager 
I later worked under. When I ordered my Rivendell Mountain I got it with 
the thought of possibly using dirt drops in the future. I tried a standard 
drop on a bike years ago that I acquired with a frameset years ago, and I 
was not care for it. I have a variety of bars on bikes original Jones H-Bar 
J bend, Scott AT-3 bar, Schwinn 411 handlebar/basket combo 
https://bikerumor.com/2012/06/19/fun-new-bikes-from-schwinn/, Surly 1x1 
Torsion bar and several flat bars with variety of bar ends and Moustache 
bars. 

The RM 014 is working well for me. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 12:02:31 AM UTC-5, Lucky wrote:
>
> Greetings all, allow me to introduce myself as I never really have, but 
> now I need advice and figure I’m more likely to get it with a proper hallo 
> first. 
> I got into Bridgestones in my teens (late 80’s early 90’s) and eventually 
> Rivendell, as is often the way. I like steel bikes of this aesthetic and 
> currently in the garage have an early Atlantis, my college race bike MB-1, 
> Bianchi San Jose with a porteur bar, and so on. I like sitting up now due 
> to a variety of injuries I have incurred over the years. 
> So today I did that thing we all do occasionally, which was purchase a 
> bike I’ve coveted for years: a nearly all original Specialized RockCombo, 
> knowing it wouldn’t fit right. Now. I know that I’m between sizes in 
> RockCombos, and also that they’re pretty scarce, so I bought this one which 
> is just a hair small. But...not really, with the stock bar. But I dislike 
> this bar. 
>
> Finally! The point of my rambling. Since I brought the bike home I have 
> tried the following bars with stock stem, in lieu of the too narrow stock 
> Specialized BB dirt drop: MTB riser, Northroad, Mustache, VO Porteur...none 
> of these are right. The bike was made for a dirt drop and I want to sit up 
> so...what are my options? (Besides selling, smarty pants) 
> Another consideration is the stem is 80mm so I could grab some length that 
> way. 
> Anyhow, thoughts on various bars please? 
>
> Appreciate any input.

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Braxton Colagross]

I ordered two directly from Grand Bois in Kyoto in late February. They 
arrived in less than a week. Two tires for ~$100. Great price and very fast 
service. Why is shipping from Japan so fast and inexpensive?

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
>

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[RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[John Rinker]

Good morning,

Just wondering if anyone else has had an issue with Velocity Dyad rims 
splitting on the sidewalls while running fatter tires. I have been running 
some Schwalbe Marathon Mondials (28x2.0) and muy rear rim recently split. I 
am told by Velocity (who has been very helpful, indeed) that the tires are 
too big for these rims. 

I love the tires and the rims, but perhaps I need an alternative to the 
Dyad to run these tires. Any recommendations?

Cheers,
John

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Re: [RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Patrick Moore]

Once again, best photos on the list -- and believe me, there are so very
many wonderful photos posted by so many riders on this list.

"Mud chains"? Can we get a distance shot?

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:47 AM Mike Packard  wrote:

> Thank you Patrick. I really appreciate your ride reports & photos.
>
> mike in austin
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:02:51 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that
>> warm to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>>
>> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:02:33 PM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> Hey, just another Day in the Life of Boy Blunder. If I hadn't  been 
> chewing on that Jolly Roger while I was riding it wouldn't have happened! 
> I've got another one about a pair of pliers, a lighter, and a needle but 
> your wives will wonder why you fainted at the keyboard.
>

At the risk of fainting at the keyboard, please do tell. 

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Re: [RBW] Useful use for beeswax

[Robert Tilley]

I remember we had Groom & Clean hair gel in the bathroom drawer when I grew up. 
I remember because my overworked Mom once accidentally grabbed that instead of 
the toothpaste when she brushed my teeth one day. I learned to brush my own 
teeth soon after.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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What a hilarious and useful post. I should start carrying bees wax on my long 
rides. Never tried Butch Wax but way back when, was a devoted Brylcreem and 
Vitalis user.

May try Patrick’s bees wax + Vaseline combo since I haven’t had a haircut since 
early March. Thanks all for the good suggestions!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Useful use for beeswax

[Rob Kristoff]

I find that it's also good for coating unpainted steel that likes to rust. In 
my case, the latest has been the spindle on my (external bearing) BB.

Rob

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Mike Packard]

Thank you Patrick. I really appreciate your ride reports & photos. 

mike in austin

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 5:02:51 PM UTC-5 Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm 
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>

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Re: [RBW] Useful use for beeswax

[RichS]

What a hilarious and useful post. I should start carrying bees wax on my long 
rides. Never tried Butch Wax but way back when, was a devoted Brylcreem and 
Vitalis user. 

May try Patrick’s bees wax + Vaseline combo since I haven’t had a haircut since 
early March. Thanks all for the good suggestions!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Eric Floden]

Well, there is a brand new Red Green podcast! Alas, it is not free...

http://www.redgreen.com/

EricF
Neither handy nor handsome
Vancouver BC

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 07:10, Jock Dewey  wrote:

> Oh, how we miss Red Green.
>
> We could all use a good Red Green show right now.
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
>

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[RBW] WTB 62cm Surly Travelers Check

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Cross post w/iBob 


Hi All, looking to make the plunge for a travel frame.  Before I plunk down a 
deposit on a frame modification, curious if anyone would like to sell? 

Alternative frame suggestions are welcome however there are a few requirements 
that I can’t budge on: 

-readily available 
-fat tire clearance (42mm +) 
-horizontal rear dropouts 

Thanks!! 

Alex in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Jock Dewey]

Oh, how we miss Red Green. 

We could all use a good Red Green show right now.

Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 7:33:27 AM UTC-4, Kent Peterson -- Eugene, 
Oregon wrote:
>
> OK, I think Craig just won this thread. His dentist isn't the only one who 
> is impressed.
>
> Red Green would approve. "If the women don't find you handsome, they 
> should at least find you handy."
>
> Kent Peterson
> Eugene, OR USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Garth]

My Susie frame will get here this week. It's rather anticlimactic though as 
it's summer and summer is for riding ! I'll get around to assembling it 
eventually. 

For clarity, these Tange BB's follow the same specs as Shimano and most 
others. A "oversize" 73mm shell is simply +2.5mm on each side from center. 
It's just a wider shell. It's part of the same British standard, just 
wider, typical on mtb's. It's nothing new, and not really necessary. 

As you can see from the image, the 73 BB's simply add that 2.5mm to each 
side. If the image appears small just zoom in on it. 

Thankfully my 149mm Sram S600 crank takes a 113 so I got a 73x113 BB. The 
Silver cranks can run into problems because the relatively straight arms, 
great on a typical road/mountain bike but not so great on bike that can 
take 2.8" tires with a typical spaced cassette. Myself I'd rather eliminate 
the smallest cog and move the remaining cogs outward than have to resort to 
a overly long spindle as that just increases the chain angle even more.  




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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Ray Varella]

Alex,
I’m just trying to picture the differences. 
Is the barrel of the 73mm bb 5mm wider so the bearings are placed 5mm further 
outboard or are the mounting rings 5mm thicker. 

I really haven’t kept up with newer standards. 

Thank you 
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

@Ray that's definitely an option.  Since I wasn't sure what tire/crank/BB I 
was going to use/would work, I figured I'd better experiment with $30 
options rather than $200 options.  

Phil Wood was actually the end goal at the beginning but once I found that 
NOS three piece Tange BB. I'm really hoping that works out 爛




On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Thanks Kim, 
> I have a lot of parts here, I would seriously consider one of these frames 
> if my cranks were compatible. 
>
> Thanks Alex, I’ll keep an eye out for pictures. 
> Would Phil Wood bottom brackets or at least their rings on a cartridge bb 
> simplify things? 
>
> Cheers 
> Ray

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