[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Nick Payne]

With the clamp bolt loosened, is the seatpost a good or loose fit in the 
seat tube? A seatpost should fit in the frame with no perceptible slop 
before the clamp bolt is tightened. My Appaloosa was nominally supposed to 
take a 26.8mm seatpost, and a 26.8mm seatpost was supplied with the frame. 
But the post was, I considered, too loose a fit in the seat tube, so I 
grabbed a 27.0mm seatpost (a Nitto S65) and did a very small amount of 
reaming of the seat tube to ensure a perfect fit. It's never slipped in use.

As a much cheaper alternative, you could cut yourself a shim from a coke 
can - the aluminium in those is usually around 0.1mm thick - and see if 
that makes a difference. The metal in those cans is thin enough that it can 
be cut with a good sharp pair of scissors. You might have to hack the 
initial hole in the side of the can with something else, but once you can 
get the scissor blade in there, it should manage the rest.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Matthew Williams]

Oh wow Corwin, I had friends who delivered--and called it--the "Evening 
Outrage!"

Were you in Santa Monica? Where was your route?



On Sep 9, 2021, at 9:39 PM, Corwin  wrote:

> Hey Patrick -
> 
> Great thread! I was a paper boy. I don't think this contributed to me being a 
> "bikey" - but it definitely required some growing on my part. I was about 12 
> (circa 1971) when we started. The route was originally my brother's (13 
> months younger). I took over the route when he decided he no longer wanted it.
> 
> The paper was the Santa Monica Evening Outlook. It was a six-day-a-week, 
> evening paper. The weekend edition came out on Saturday. In my neighborhood, 
> the papers were dropped off about 3:30pm behnd the elementary school. Since 
> we got out of [junior high] school at 1:30pm, this was not a problem. We had 
> to fold, rubber band and load the papers into a "bag" - issued by the paper - 
> for delivery. It has always amused me that after a week or two, you could 
> grab a handful of rubber bands and have exactly the right number for your 
> load of papers. The bag was actually two canvas bags connected via fabric in 
> the middle which allowed you to drape it over a rear rack, and had a hole in 
> the middle which allowed you to carry it on your shoulders with one bag in 
> front, and the other on your back. My route varied from 40 to about 85 
> papers. When the papers were heavy (as on Saturdays), the bag could easily 
> weigh more than fifty pounds. Since draping the bag over the rack caused the 
> bike to fishtail constantly, I always carried the bag on my shoulders.
> 
> My paper was $2.25/month. Given I pay about $20/month for the San Francisco 
> Chronicle (hardcopy on Sundays only) and $10/month for the NY Times (online 
> edition only) today - this seems like it was an incredible deal. Especially 
> since many of my customers got the paper for free. We were charged for the 
> number of papers we were given each month. It was up to me to collect in 
> order to make any money. This is probably why my brother pawned the route off 
> on me. Frequently, you would knock on someone's door; you could hear people 
> inside laughing and talking. But they never answered the door. In reality - 
> this probably only happened 15 or 20% of the time. But it was always 
> frustrating. Especially after daylight savings time ended and you were 
> delivering papers in the dark.
> 
> It never got cold in Los Angeles, but it did rain occasionally. We got 
> plastic bags to put the papers in on those days. The bike we started out with 
> was supposedly a paper boy's bike. It had a stout (read HEAVY) steel frame, 
> and an equally stout steel rack. The rack was further fortified with plywood 
> on the top and sides to hold the "bag". This bike had one gear and a coaster 
> brake. Since I never used the rack, I quickly switched to my Dad's Royce 
> Union which was a litte bit lighter and also had a coaster brake. I only 
> recall a couple of occasions where the bike got a flat and we had to get help 
> from Mom to deliver the papers. Luckily, there were a copule family friends 
> (one was our little league coach), and we could call for help.
> 
> One of the critical aspects of my route was knowing which customers wanted 
> their paper delivered on the porch. We referred to this phenomenon as 
> customers wanting their paper "porched". I never considered throwing any 
> papers on a roof, since customers always called The Outlook and complained if 
> they didn't get their paper. The Outlook would call the local distribution 
> manager (my boss) and he would call me and tell me to get a paper to them. 
> Many times, I would head to their house with another paper (we always got 
> extras for such occasions) to discover the paper I delivered where I had 
> thrown it on their yard or (worse) dropped it on their porch.
> 
> In addition to the Saturday paper, there was usually one day when the paper 
> was particularly full of news (read HEAVY). As I recall, Tuesday was the 
> heavy newsday. I was not terribly big at 12 years of age - and the bag hung 
> down about eight or nine inches below my shoulders. Each time I got close to 
> a customer's house, I would draw a paper from the front bag, and throw it on 
> the yard or driveway (or drop it on the porch) of the customer's house. After 
> removing about twenty or so papers from the bag, the bag would be choking me, 
> since there were far more papers in the bag on my back than the bag on the 
> front. I don't recall my paper route being physically demanding - but on 
> those days when the papers were particularly heavy or when my route swelled 
> beyond seventy customers - I slung the bag over my shoulders and looked 
> forward to the point in the route where I had delivered a significant portion 
> of the papers. And at the point where I had unloaded about twenty or so 
> papers, and the bag was choking me, I would attempt to reach around behind my 
> back with 

[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Corwin]

Hey Patrick -

Great thread! I was a paper boy. I don't think this contributed to me being 
a "bikey" - but it definitely required some growing on my part. I was about 
12 (circa 1971) when we started. The route was originally my brother's (13 
months younger). I took over the route when he decided he no longer wanted 
it.

The paper was the Santa Monica Evening Outlook. It was a six-day-a-week, 
evening paper. The weekend edition came out on Saturday. In my 
neighborhood, the papers were dropped off about 3:30pm behnd the elementary 
school. Since we got out of [junior high] school at 1:30pm, this was not a 
problem. We had to fold, rubber band and load the papers into a "bag" - 
issued by the paper - for delivery. It has always amused me that after a 
week or two, you could grab a handful of rubber bands and have exactly the 
right number for your load of papers. The bag was actually two canvas bags 
connected via fabric in the middle which allowed you to drape it over a 
rear rack, and had a hole in the middle which allowed you to carry it on 
your shoulders with one bag in front, and the other on your back. My route 
varied from 40 to about 85 papers. When the papers were heavy (as on 
Saturdays), the bag could easily weigh more than fifty pounds. Since 
draping the bag over the rack caused the bike to fishtail constantly, I 
always carried the bag on my shoulders.

My paper was $2.25/month. Given I pay about $20/month for the San Francisco 
Chronicle (hardcopy on Sundays only) and $10/month for the NY Times (online 
edition only) today - this seems like it was an incredible deal. Especially 
since many of my customers got the paper for free. We were charged for the 
number of papers we were given each month. It was up to me to collect in 
order to make any money. This is probably why my brother pawned the route 
off on me. Frequently, you would knock on someone's door; you could hear 
people inside laughing and talking. But they never answered the door. In 
reality - this probably only happened 15 or 20% of the time. But it was 
always frustrating. Especially after daylight savings time ended and you 
were delivering papers in the dark.

It never got cold in Los Angeles, but it did rain occasionally. We got 
plastic bags to put the papers in on those days. The bike we started out 
with was supposedly a paper boy's bike. It had a stout (read HEAVY) steel 
frame, and an equally stout steel rack. The rack was further fortified with 
plywood on the top and sides to hold the "bag". This bike had one gear and 
a coaster brake. Since I never used the rack, I quickly switched to my 
Dad's Royce Union which was a litte bit lighter and also had a coaster 
brake. I only recall a couple of occasions where the bike got a flat and we 
had to get help from Mom to deliver the papers. Luckily, there were a 
copule family friends (one was our little league coach), and we could call 
for help.

One of the critical aspects of my route was knowing which customers wanted 
their paper delivered on the porch. We referred to this phenomenon as 
customers wanting their paper "porched". I never considered throwing any 
papers on a roof, since customers always called The Outlook and complained 
if they didn't get their paper. The Outlook would call the local 
distribution manager (my boss) and he would call me and tell me to get a 
paper to them. Many times, I would head to their house with another paper 
(we always got extras for such occasions) to discover the paper I delivered 
where I had thrown it on their yard or (worse) dropped it on their porch.

In addition to the Saturday paper, there was usually one day when the paper 
was particularly full of news (read HEAVY). As I recall, Tuesday was the 
heavy newsday. I was not terribly big at 12 years of age - and the bag hung 
down about eight or nine inches below my shoulders. Each time I got close 
to a customer's house, I would draw a paper from the front bag, and throw 
it on the yard or driveway (or drop it on the porch) of the customer's 
house. After removing about twenty or so papers from the bag, the bag would 
be choking me, since there were far more papers in the bag on my back than 
the bag on the front. I don't recall my paper route being physically 
demanding - but on those days when the papers were particularly heavy or 
when my route swelled beyond seventy customers - I slung the bag over my 
shoulders and looked forward to the point in the route where I had 
delivered a significant portion of the papers. And at the point where I had 
unloaded about twenty or so papers, and the bag was choking me, I would 
attempt to reach around behind my back with one arm, and pull the bag on my 
back around to my chest. I did this while in motion on the bike on the way 
to the next customer. I never [completely] lost control of the bike, but I 
frequently initiated a good wobble. I also rarely accomplished my goal of 
swapping the front and back bags, and had to stop in 

Re: [RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Joe Bernard]

I had this problem with several MIT Rivs and the stock post which was 
solved with Nitto replacements. The problem here is the OP says he used a 
Thompson, too..I'll be surprised if a Nitto is nominally larger than BOTH 
of them. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:14:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Re-reading this sentence, I realize that the assertion is incomplete. It 
> may help to add that sometimes a top quality aluminum post of the same 
> nominal diameter, like a Nitto, is just sufficiently wider to solve the 
> problem.
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 5:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ...
>
>
>>
>> I've also found that some seatposts marked as having the same diameter
>> are micrometrically smaller than others, enough to cause slipping in
>> some frames.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which bolt for a rack?

[Christopher Murray]

I’m in the middle of this same issue. I finally ordered the “Frame Mounting 
Hardware for Fenders” directly from SKS. It was $8 with free shipping. It 
hasn’t arrived yet so I can’t give you a report but looks promising. I also 
ordered some leather washers from Velo Orange. I’m already waiting for the 
bolt and maybe the washers will cut down on noise and protect the paint? 

https://sks-us.com/products/frame-mounting-hardware-for-fenders?_pos=2&_sid=40875134a&_ss=r

Good luck!
Chris

On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 12:28:02 PM UTC-4 zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:

> Trying to install a rack on my Hillborne and I don't have the bolt to 
> attach the support to the fork crown. Anyone know offhand what size the 
> bolt is? Thanks y'all! 

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Johnny Alien]

That Bleriot has been around the block many times


On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:56:02 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bleriot
> 57cm
> $900 (auction)
> Springfield, OR
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255128992467
>
> 1997 Waterford-Built
> 64cm
> $1500
> Chicago, IL
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/d/highland-park-rivendell-fixed-gear-64cm/7376008259.html
>
> Roadeo
> 62cm
> $4000
> Sacramento, CA
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/woodland-rivendell-roadeo/7377210039.html
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Johnny Alien]

That Bleriot has been around the block many time.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:56:02 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bleriot
> 57cm
> $900 (auction)
> Springfield, OR
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255128992467
>
> 1997 Waterford-Built
> 64cm
> $1500
> Chicago, IL
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/d/highland-park-rivendell-fixed-gear-64cm/7376008259.html
>
> Roadeo
> 62cm
> $4000
> Sacramento, CA
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/woodland-rivendell-roadeo/7377210039.html
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Bleriot
57cm
$900 (auction)
Springfield, OR
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255128992467

1997 Waterford-Built
64cm
$1500
Chicago, IL
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/d/highland-park-rivendell-fixed-gear-64cm/7376008259.html

Roadeo
62cm
$4000
Sacramento, CA
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/woodland-rivendell-roadeo/7377210039.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: SRAM Apex 10 speed mini group

[J Schwartz]

this is sold, thank you

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> [image: IMG_8155.JPG][image: IMG_8154.JPG][image: IMG_8157.JPG]
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 3:10:29 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> [image: e copy.jpg][image: d copy.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 3:09:55 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> [image: c copy.jpg][image: b copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 3:08:52 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 [image: a copy.jpg]This set was on my Protovelo and saw very little 
 use.
 I sold the frame last year and have been deciding what to do with this 
 group but it's time to move it on.
 I believe there isn't more than 250 miles max on these components. 

 Condition is excellent...the rear derailleur has just a tiny bit of 
 scuffing you'd expect from just being on a bike .
 Included are: 

 SRAM Apex double-tap Brifters  - 10 speed "exact actuation"
 SRAM Apex long cage rear derailleur 
 SRAM Apex front derailleur + a 28.6 clamp 
 SRAM PG1-050 10-speed Cassette 11-32 (11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32)
 SRAM PC-1051 10-speed Chain 

 Purchased new , this group would be around $400 with internet pricing 
 Selling here for $215 shipped to lower 48
 Thanks 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Today's project: Full-length cable housing for the back brake.

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know if this will work with your Apaloosa, but I very often carry a
bike by grasping the seat tube below the bottle cage, and holding the bike
at shoulder height, elbow bent, weight borne by hand at shoulder, with
front wheel down. The handlebars do interfere with legs a bit, but not
badly.

Otherwise, I agree with David that tubing over the cable is a good
solution. Or simply slip a cloth between cable and top tube while you're
carrying the bike. I carry a back-pocket bandana when riding for all sorts
of frequent and occasional uses, facial, respiratory, COVID, cleanup, and
portage.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:03 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Today, I changed the rear brake cable on my Rivendell to full-length cable
> housing. I have to carry my bike up many flights of stairs to get into my
> apartment, and I was tired of grabbing the top tube and scratching the
> inner cable to the paint. Granted, full length cable housing doesn't look
> that great, aesthetically, but form follows function, at least today.
>
> I used little clip-on adaptors from ScAmazon, appropriately labeled
> "RISK". They bolt to the existing cable stops with 2mm allen bolts. They
> were originally intended to run hydraulic housing.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Farbetter-Pieces-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing/dp/B082WJR4FJ
>
> Then I used new stainless Sim-Works cables. Wow, the cable inners are
> smooth.
>
> I also noticed my back brake hanger had worn a little. I might reinforce
> it with a longer bolt or just replace it. It is from Nitto. Has anyone seen
> this before? The brake cables were not so easy to adjust. It's always
> guesswork and then - oooh just right.
>
> Next, I'll either wrap part of the top-tube with Rivendell's style of
> twine - or maybe go back to what I already had.
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/handlebar-wrap-and-twine-finish
>
> What do you think? Has anyone done something similar with their bike? Here
> are some pictures.
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Patrick Moore]

Re-reading this sentence, I realize that the assertion is incomplete. It
may help to add that sometimes a top quality aluminum post of the same
nominal diameter, like a Nitto, is just sufficiently wider to solve the
problem.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 5:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...
>
> I've also found that some seatposts marked as having the same diameter
> are micrometrically smaller than others, enough to cause slipping in
> some frames.
>

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Re: [RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Patrick Moore]

I've had that problem with several frames, and I have used either blue
Loctite or the fiber gel developed for carbon fiber components, and
both products stopped the slipping, at least with careful tightening
of the sp collars.

On one frame with a seatpost collar instead of integrated sp clamp, I
replaced the first rather delicate clamp with a sturdier one, which
let me clamp the post with a bit more, and it turns out sufficient,
force.

I've also found that some seatposts marked as having the same diameter
are micrometrically smaller than others, enough to cause slipping in
some frames.


On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 1:40 PM Alex K  wrote:
>
> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or any 
> other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this bike.  
> Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin Headlands-SF 
> loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however is that my seat 
> post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this ride, which 
> involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside of the seat 
> tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt and greased and 
> regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might work as a shim, but 
> I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and podging.  Any thoughts?  
> Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden on a Kalloy and a Thomson 
> seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post I use, there is slippage.
> Alex
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[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Scott McLain]

I like the suggestions above.  It used to be a standard practice with a new 
frame to take sand paper to the INSIDE of your seat tube to remove any 
burrs or bits that may have been left in there when they fabricated the 
frame.  I am sure there are people on this group that would be able to 
suggest the right grit emory cloth or sandpaper.  I would guess something 
around 200 grit.  That may provide just enough "bite" to solve your problem 
without defacing your seatpost.

I have also had a problem with my Albatross bars slipping down over time.  
I put blue lock-tight between the bar and the stem clamp and that solved 
the problem.  I also had a problem with the nose of my seat wanting to 
creep up.  I also solved that with blue lock-tight and a little sanding on 
my seat post parts that were slipping.  Not sure the blue lock-tight is the 
right solution on the seat tube where it is dissimilar metals and it is 
meant to move up and down.

Scott

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> As David H suggested, carbon fiber paste, or anti seize lube. It's just 
> gritty enough to stop the slippage.
>
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:37:52 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> You don't appreciate this 'feature' of the automatic dropper post? ;)
>>
>> Yup, I had this issue occur on my 2017 Clem H with the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> What worked, was getting the seatpost knurled by Riv (for free, just pay 
>> for shipping) OR what was later done was getting the seatpost reamed to 
>> 27.0 and using that size seatpost.
>>
>> Intermediate solutions involved a layer of blue loctite on the upper 1" 
>> of seatpost insertion but it wasn't a permanent solution.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Collin in Sacramento
>>
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H 
>>> or any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this 
>>> bike.  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin 
>>> Headlands-SF loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however 
>>> is that my seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this 
>>> ride, which involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside 
>>> of the seat tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt 
>>> and greased and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might 
>>> work as a shim, but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and 
>>> podging.  Any thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden 
>>> on a Kalloy and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post 
>>> I use, there is slippage.  
>>> Alex
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[David Person]

As David H suggested, carbon fiber paste, or anti seize lube. It's just 
gritty enough to stop the slippage.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:37:52 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> You don't appreciate this 'feature' of the automatic dropper post? ;)
>
> Yup, I had this issue occur on my 2017 Clem H with the 26.8 seatpost.
>
> What worked, was getting the seatpost knurled by Riv (for free, just pay 
> for shipping) OR what was later done was getting the seatpost reamed to 
> 27.0 and using that size seatpost.
>
> Intermediate solutions involved a layer of blue loctite on the upper 1" of 
> seatpost insertion but it wasn't a permanent solution.
>
> Good luck,
> Collin in Sacramento
>
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or 
>> any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this bike. 
>>  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin Headlands-SF 
>> loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however is that my 
>> seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this ride, which 
>> involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside of the seat 
>> tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt and greased 
>> and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might work as a shim, 
>> but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and podging.  Any 
>> thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden on a Kalloy 
>> and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post I use, there 
>> is slippage.  
>> Alex
>>
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[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Collin A]

You don't appreciate this 'feature' of the automatic dropper post? ;)

Yup, I had this issue occur on my 2017 Clem H with the 26.8 seatpost.

What worked, was getting the seatpost knurled by Riv (for free, just pay 
for shipping) OR what was later done was getting the seatpost reamed to 
27.0 and using that size seatpost.

Intermediate solutions involved a layer of blue loctite on the upper 1" of 
seatpost insertion but it wasn't a permanent solution.

Good luck,
Collin in Sacramento

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or 
> any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this bike. 
>  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin Headlands-SF 
> loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however is that my 
> seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this ride, which 
> involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside of the seat 
> tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt and greased 
> and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might work as a shim, 
> but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and podging.  Any 
> thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden on a Kalloy 
> and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post I use, there 
> is slippage.  
> Alex
>

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Re: [RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[David Hallerman]

Could try carbon fiber paste instead of grease on seatpost, in seat tube.
If you do that, be sure to clean out old grease first.

Another thought, if you have access to a knurling tool; perhaps your shop
has one. That would raise a section of post that’s inside the frame.

- Dave



On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 3:59 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> On my Gunnars that all featured slipping seat posts, I eventually used a
> Coke can shim to fix the issue.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 3:40 PM Alex K  wrote:
>
>> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or
>> any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this
>> bike.  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin
>> Headlands-SF loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however
>> is that my seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this
>> ride, which involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside
>> of the seat tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt
>> and greased and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might
>> work as a shim, but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and
>> podging.  Any thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden
>> on a Kalloy and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post
>> I use, there is slippage.
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Mathieu Brown]

Thank you both for your insight.

My Craigslist dealings have personally been positive. But most of them took
place a few years ago back when everything was a little less expensive and
the stakes were a little lower.

If anything pops-up of interest in my area, I'll remember your advice.

MATHIEU BROWN



On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 1:40 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> In the Bay Area, where CL is notorious for facilitating muggings, several
> police departments have made their station parking lots available as venues
> for buyer-seller exchanges. Over the years, this idea has spread across the
> country.
>
> IMO, if a seller refuses to use that venue, I'd be very suspicious of that
> seller's intentions.
>
> http://www.safetradestations.com
>
> Peter "trust, but verify" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I always conduct the transaction in the parking lot of a bank (I use Bank
>> of America) where they have security cameras.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 6:43:14 AM UTC-7 mathie...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question for the group, as prices continue to rise and inventory remains
>>> low
>>>
>>> Are you showing-up to the parking lot of a Jack-in-the-Box with $4000 in
>>> your gym shoes?
>>>
>>> Is there anything that those of you who are dealing on
>>> CL are specifically doing to feel comfortable in making these transactions?
>>>
>>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 8:33 AM John M  wrote:
>>>
 62cm Roadeo spotted on the Sacramento Craigslist:


 https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/woodland-rivendell-roadeo/7377210039.html

 On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-6 jake...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> 57cm Hillborne complete listed for $1950 on eBay...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284439088587?hash=item4239e40dcb:g:KuoAAOSwm3JhM9Ug
>
>
> On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:29:08 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Listed as custom “Yves Gomez”
>>
>>
>> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-custom-built-bike-yves-gomez/7375848911.html
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:55, Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Roscoe Bubbe frameset
>>
>>
>> 53cm
>> $950
>> Omaha, NE
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165048493484
>>
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen
>> 57cm
>> $3000
>> Fayetteville, AR
>>
>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/mulberry-rivendell-homer-hilson/7358186841.html
>>
>>
>> Frank Jones Sr.
>> 53cm
>> $2300
>> Las Cruces, NM
>>
>> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/d/las-cruces-rivendell-frank-jones-sr/7359900069.html
>>
>>
>> Susie Longbolts
>> 53cm
>> $1850
>> Lafayette, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-susie-longbolts/7372931941.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Eric Daume]

On my Gunnars that all featured slipping seat posts, I eventually used a
Coke can shim to fix the issue.

Eric

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 3:40 PM Alex K  wrote:

> Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or
> any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this
> bike.  Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin
> Headlands-SF loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however
> is that my seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this
> ride, which involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside
> of the seat tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt
> and greased and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might
> work as a shim, but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and
> podging.  Any thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden
> on a Kalloy and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post
> I use, there is slippage.
> Alex
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Rick Urbanowski]

Wow! Was that a cracked frame?

Rick Urbanowski Photography
www.rickurbanowski.squarespace.com
F**k Lyme Disease

> On Sep 9, 2021, at 3:50 PM, John G  wrote:
> 
> From earlier this summer.  Explorations in PA and MD.
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2m9xKQE
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2mfAC9A
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/2m6i5wP
> 
> John G
> Union Bridge, MD
> 
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 2:27:29 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Not a Riv but the recent bike I just built up 'Riv like' and am trying it 
>> out today.
>> 
>> Paul in Dallas 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[John G]

>From earlier this summer.  Explorations in PA and MD.

https://flic.kr/p/2m9xKQE

https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS

https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS

https://flic.kr/p/2mfAC9A

https://flic.kr/p/2m6i5wP

John G
Union Bridge, MD

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>
>
>
> Not a Riv but the recent bike I just built up 'Riv like' and am trying it 
> out today.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
> .
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[RBW] Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[Alex K]

Anybody else have issues with their seat post slipping on their Clem H or 
any other Rivs?  This is driving me crazy.  I am infatuated with this bike. 
 Favorite ride of all time.  I have a perfect 30 mile SF-Marin Headlands-SF 
loop that keeps me sane.What is driving me insane however is that my 
seat post slips down about 1-1.5 inches every time I ride this ride, which 
involves quite a lot of fire trail.  I have cleaned the inside of the seat 
tube, I have applied friction grease, I changed the seat bolt and greased 
and regressed it.  I have heard that maybe a Coke can might work as a shim, 
but I'd rather resolve the issue without hodging and podging.  Any 
thoughts?  Advice?  Commiseration?  Thanks all.  I've ridden on a Kalloy 
and a Thomson seat post, and it doesn't matter which seat post I use, there 
is slippage.  
Alex

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Peter Adler]

In the Bay Area, where CL is notorious for facilitating muggings, several 
police departments have made their station parking lots available as venues 
for buyer-seller exchanges. Over the years, this idea has spread across the 
country.

IMO, if a seller refuses to use that venue, I'd be very suspicious of that 
seller's intentions.

http://www.safetradestations.com

Peter "trust, but verify" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I always conduct the transaction in the parking lot of a bank (I use Bank 
> of America) where they have security cameras.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 6:43:14 AM UTC-7 mathie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Question for the group, as prices continue to rise and inventory remains 
>> low
>>
>> Are you showing-up to the parking lot of a Jack-in-the-Box with $4000 in 
>> your gym shoes? 
>>
>> Is there anything that those of you who are dealing on 
>> CL are specifically doing to feel comfortable in making these transactions?
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 8:33 AM John M  wrote:
>>
>>> 62cm Roadeo spotted on the Sacramento Craigslist:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/woodland-rivendell-roadeo/7377210039.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 11:10:57 PM UTC-6 jake...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 57cm Hillborne complete listed for $1950 on eBay...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/284439088587?hash=item4239e40dcb:g:KuoAAOSwm3JhM9Ug


 On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:29:08 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Listed as custom “Yves Gomez”
>
>
> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-custom-built-bike-yves-gomez/7375848911.html
>
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 12:55, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> Roscoe Bubbe frameset
>
>
> 53cm
> $950
> Omaha, NE
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165048493484
>
>
> A. Homer Hilsen
> 57cm
> $3000
> Fayetteville, AR
>
> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/mulberry-rivendell-homer-hilson/7358186841.html
>
>
> Frank Jones Sr.
> 53cm
> $2300
> Las Cruces, NM
>
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/d/las-cruces-rivendell-frank-jones-sr/7359900069.html
>
>
> Susie Longbolts
> 53cm
> $1850
> Lafayette, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/lafayette-rivendell-susie-longbolts/7372931941.html
>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Riv Nitto Platrack and Sackville Platsack

[Bill Lindsay]

All sold.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:23:34 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm selling a Nitto Platrack and matching Sackville Platsack combination.  
> Newcomers won't know what this thing is, so I'll explain briefly
>
> The Platrack is a Nitto tubular steel platform specifically designed to 
> bolt to the top of your Marks Rack (M1) or your Mini Front Rack (32F).  The 
> Platrack converts your smaller rack into a much larger platform.  The 
> Platrack has its own pair of auxiliary struts, stiffening and strengthening 
> the assembly.  
>
> The Sackville Platsack is a bag designed specifically to attach to the 
> Platrack.
>
> I bought this Platrack/Platsack assembly from Riv in ~2013.  It has lived 
> on my Hillborne, my Bombadil, and most recently on my wife's Yves Gomez.  
> It's been used on several S24Os but almost exclusively was an 'event' 
> setup.  The vast majority of its life has been spent on the shelf.  
>
> So, if you already have a Mark's Rack -OR- a Mini Front Rack and want a 
> way to massively expand its platform temporarily (or forever), this may be 
> your thing.  If you are an old timer and have kicked yourself for missing 
> out on this Rivendell exclusive, here's your chance again.  
>
> The Platrack struts have been cut to the right length for an Yves Gomez, 
> which is a 650B wheel with medium tires.  If your bike runs 700c wheels, 
> you will almost certainly need to buy longer struts.  Some people have set 
> up their Platrack to reach the mid-fork braze-ons, and if that is your 
> strategy, these struts will be plenty long.  
>
> $90 plus shipping for the Rack.  $110 plus shipping for the Bag.  $175 
> plus shipping for both the rack and the bag.  I want to sell them together, 
> but if you are dying to buy one part and not the other, let me know.  If I 
> can find a taker for each half then I will elect to split them up.
>
> Pictures:
>
> The Sack
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51278065903
>
> Inside the Sack, with the Rack inside
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51277899571
>
> Photo of how the Rack looks on the bike, mounted to a Mark's Rack
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51274568632
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires (mostly 700c)

[J Schwartz]

All tires sold Except the :

   - *Ultradynamico - Cava - JFF - 700x42.??  - **Black sidewalls- **New, 
   Never Mounted   **$125 Shipped *


On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> Here's what is available with some price reductions on the remaining tires:
>
>
>- 
>
>
>- Ultradynamico - Cava - JFF - 700x42.?? 
>
>
>- 
>   - Black sidewalls
>  - *New, Never Mounted*
> - 
>
> *$115 *
>  - 
>   - 
>  - 
> - 
>  - 
>
>
>- Compass (Rene Herse) - Barlow Pass - Extralight - 700x38
>
>
>- 
>   - Black sidewalls
>  - 
>   
>
>- 
>   - 
>  - *Well used with tubesprobably more than half the tread 
>  life remaining ...however, there is a small slit in the tread caused 
> by a 
>  sharp piece of something.  I rode these on my Quickbeam in NYC for 
> over a 
>  year and the small slit was never an issue.  I only ever had 1 flat 
> on 
>  these tires before the slit...and never after*
>   
>
>- 
>   - 
>  - 
> - 
>
> *$30 *
>  - 
>   - 
>  - 
> - 
> - 
>
>
>- Schwalbe – Little Big Ben, Wire – Raceguard Performance Line – 700x38
>
>
>- 
>   - Brown tires (tread and sidewalls)
>
>
>- 
>   - 
>  - *Used, but probably over 80% life in them.  These rode like a 
>  cloud actually. I was very impressed when I had these on my 
> Hillborne *
>   
>
>- 
>   - 
>  - 
> - *$30*
>  
> Also, I just sold a few sets of used tires for pretty cheap...I'm on the 
> lookout for pair of used 700x50's with a somewhat combination tread like a 
> Cazadero, etc... similarly on the cheap
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 11:34:14 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Rat Trap Pass tentatively sold
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:21:07 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the Sim.Works tires are spoken for...will update this post if 
>>> they remain available 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:19:01 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
 Greetings, I have some tires for sale that may be interest...All prices 
 are for 2 tires, a pair... and do not include shipping from New York State

 No Tubeless goup in these tires and all the used tires are relatively 
 clean 

  

- Sim.Works- Super Yummy – 29x2.22
   - Peanut Butter sidewalls
  - *Very lightly used, almost new*
 - *$95.00*

 - Ultradynamico - Cava - JFF - 700x42.?? 
   - Black sidewalls
  - *New, Never Mounted*
 - 

 *$125 *
  - Soma - Supple Vitesse - SL - 700x38
   - Black sidewalls
  - *New, Mounted on clean rims with tubes to test but then 
  taken-off and unridden*
 - 

 *$60 *
  - Compass (Rene Herse) - Barlow Pass - Extralight - 700x38
   - Black sidewalls
  - *Well used with tubesprobably more than half the tread 
  life remaining ...however, there is a small slit in the tread 
 caused by a 
  sharp piece of something.  I rode these on my Quickbeam in NYC 
 for over a 
  year and the small slit was never an issue.  I only ever had 1 
 flat on 
  these tires before the slit...and never after*
 - 

 *$35 *
  - Compass (Rene Herse) – Rat Trap Pass – Standard – 26x2.3
   - Tan sidewalls
  - *Moderately used, many more miles left *
 - 

 *$48 *
  - Schwalbe – Little Big Ben, Wire – Raceguard Performance 
Line – 700x38
   - Brown tires (tread and sidewalls)
  - *Used, but probably over 80% life in them.  These rode like 
  a cloud actually. I was very impressed when I had these on my 
 Hillborne *
 - *$38*
  - Rivendell – Jack Brown – Green compound “light” – 700x33.3
   - Tan Sidewall
  - *Used, had these on my SimpleOne for about a year, the 
  “checkerboard” pattern is fading to slick but still visible… I’d 
 guess half 
  life left?*
 - *$42*
  
 Thank you
 JS




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Re: [RBW] Re: Any advice on removing old cork grips?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Thanks!
(I did not install them. So who knows?)

Rick Urbanowski Photography
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F**k Lyme Disease

> On Sep 9, 2021, at 9:55 AM, John A. Bennett  wrote:
> 
> If you installed them correctly, there's no saving them. Yep. Just chip them 
> off and clean the bars.
> 
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 6:43:45 AM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Any advice on removing old cork grips? I’m assuming I just have to hack them 
>> apart and then clean the bars?
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[RBW] Re: Any advice on removing old cork grips?

[John A. Bennett]

If you installed them correctly, there's no saving them. Yep. Just chip 
them off and clean the bars.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 6:43:45 AM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Any advice on removing old cork grips? I’m assuming I just have to hack 
> them apart and then clean the bars?

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[RBW] Any advice on removing old cork grips?

[Rick Urbanowski]

Any advice on removing old cork grips? I’m assuming I just have to hack 
them apart and then clean the bars?

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[RBW] Re: Question on yesterday’s blugh

[J Schwartz]

Hello, I couldn't find the info about the 7 speed cassette ...Does anyone 
know if it's an imminent release or many months off?
thanks
On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:13:48 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:

>  
> In Will’s email yesterday there was a link to a new blugh but there is 
> nothing there. 
> I had a question about the 7 speed cassette that was alluded to, did 
> anyone read about it?
> It looks like a great option,
> Can anyone offer a brief synopsis. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires (mostly 700c)

[J Schwartz]

Here's what is available with some price reductions on the remaining tires:


   - Ultradynamico - Cava - JFF - 700x42.?? 
  - Black sidewalls
 - *New, Never Mounted*
- 

*$115 *
 - 
  - 
 - 
- 
 - Compass (Rene Herse) - Barlow Pass - Extralight - 700x38
  - Black sidewalls
 - *Well used with tubesprobably more than half the tread life 
 remaining ...however, there is a small slit in the tread caused by a 
sharp 
 piece of something.  I rode these on my Quickbeam in NYC for over a 
year 
 and the small slit was never an issue.  I only ever had 1 flat on 
these 
 tires before the slit...and never after*
- 

*$30 *
 - 
  - 
 - 
- 
- Schwalbe – Little Big Ben, Wire – Raceguard Performance Line – 700x38
  - Brown tires (tread and sidewalls)
 - *Used, but probably over 80% life in them.  These rode like a 
 cloud actually. I was very impressed when I had these on my Hillborne *
- *$30*
 
Also, I just sold a few sets of used tires for pretty cheap...I'm on the 
lookout for pair of used 700x50's with a somewhat combination tread like a 
Cazadero, etc... similarly on the cheap
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 11:34:14 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> Rat Trap Pass tentatively sold
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:21:07 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Looks like the Sim.Works tires are spoken for...will update this post if 
>> they remain available 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:19:01 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings, I have some tires for sale that may be interest...All prices 
>>> are for 2 tires, a pair... and do not include shipping from New York State
>>>
>>> No Tubeless goup in these tires and all the used tires are relatively 
>>> clean 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>- Sim.Works- Super Yummy – 29x2.22
>>>   - Peanut Butter sidewalls
>>>  - *Very lightly used, almost new*
>>> - *$95.00*
>>>
>>> - Ultradynamico - Cava - JFF - 700x42.?? 
>>>   - Black sidewalls
>>>  - *New, Never Mounted*
>>> - 
>>>
>>> *$125 *
>>>  - Soma - Supple Vitesse - SL - 700x38
>>>   - Black sidewalls
>>>  - *New, Mounted on clean rims with tubes to test but then 
>>>  taken-off and unridden*
>>> - 
>>>
>>> *$60 *
>>>  - Compass (Rene Herse) - Barlow Pass - Extralight - 700x38
>>>   - Black sidewalls
>>>  - *Well used with tubesprobably more than half the tread 
>>>  life remaining ...however, there is a small slit in the tread 
>>> caused by a 
>>>  sharp piece of something.  I rode these on my Quickbeam in NYC for 
>>> over a 
>>>  year and the small slit was never an issue.  I only ever had 1 
>>> flat on 
>>>  these tires before the slit...and never after*
>>> - 
>>>
>>> *$35 *
>>>  - Compass (Rene Herse) – Rat Trap Pass – Standard – 26x2.3
>>>   - Tan sidewalls
>>>  - *Moderately used, many more miles left *
>>> - 
>>>
>>> *$48 *
>>>  - Schwalbe – Little Big Ben, Wire – Raceguard Performance Line 
>>>– 700x38
>>>   - Brown tires (tread and sidewalls)
>>>  - *Used, but probably over 80% life in them.  These rode like 
>>>  a cloud actually. I was very impressed when I had these on my 
>>> Hillborne *
>>> - *$38*
>>>  - Rivendell – Jack Brown – Green compound “light” – 700x33.3
>>>   - Tan Sidewall
>>>  - *Used, had these on my SimpleOne for about a year, the 
>>>  “checkerboard” pattern is fading to slick but still visible… I’d 
>>> guess half 
>>>  life left?*
>>> - *$42*
>>>  
>>> Thank you
>>> JS
>>>
>>>
>>>

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