[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Clementine
52cm
2000
San Antonio, TX
https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-antonio-rivendell-clementine/7485092392.html

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

There is darkness and there is light. True fact. 

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:18:58 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The funny thing about "proving" myself is that the very act of "proving" 
> only validates the very ass-umption that prompted the proving in the first 
> place. To improve myself accepts I am already dis-proven. To build myself 
> assumes I am already broken, incomplete. It's self-deprecation, circular 
> nonsense . In a group setting, like competitions, it's a bit like Tom, 
> Jerry and spike beating each other and themselves silly. "Vengeance is mine 
> !  and mine is yours . and everyone else's ! ... crap !"
>
> In the blame-game everybody gets a beating except the game itself. Only 
> the game wins. "Who me ? I'm just a blame-game, I didn't start anything 
> .I'm innocent !"  ( laughing 
>
> The sun is always shining dontcha know  regardless of that the clouds 
> may say.   
>
> I love this song ... *There is No Darkness*, by Beth Nielsen Chapman. 
>
>
> *There is no darkness  there is no night  there is no place in 
> Earth or in space ... without the Light. *
> *The great Illusion  our Eyes can't see  there in no no darkness 
>  in you or Me. *
>
> The funny thing is, just like your group rides Leah, there may be 
> "someone" reading this and snookering under their breath at all of this.
>  smiling 
> and so what ? ! 
>  laughing heartily 
> Hey .. who's "they" anyway ?  ... and who's who, who keeps asking all 
> these questions ? ! 
> Teeheee . the jolly gob-smakin' rollin'-on-the-floor wisdom of "no 
> escape" !  aka ... Indivisibility :)
>

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[RBW] Re: Lights on a Platy

[brendonoid]

Okay so my coffee hasn't worked this morning, I'm blaming the covid. I need 
to stress a point that I made in my head and not in my first response. The 
downtube where it connects to the headtube is the most stressed, critical 
part of a bike frame, do not drill a hole there. IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO, 
drill a hole in the head tube and go in that way. Damaging a frame and it's 
aesthetics with a *drilled hole* seems far worse to me than running a cable 
where there are already cables (my opinion). I just wrap my dyno wires 
around existing brake/gear cables.

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[RBW] Re: Lights on a Platy

[brendonoid]

*cable guide not *chain guide*.
Always proof read folks!

On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 08:59:03 UTC+8 brendonoid wrote:

> There is already a hole in the BB where the chain guide attaches for 
> drainage. I would work out a way to use that and, like you said, drill the 
> hole in the seat post at the top. Leave the frame unmolested for future 
> owners/corrosion reasons.
>
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[RBW] Re: Lights on a Platy

[brendonoid]

There is already a hole in the BB where the chain guide attaches for 
drainage. I would work out a way to use that and, like you said, drill the 
hole in the seat post at the top. Leave the frame unmolested for future 
owners/corrosion reasons.

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[RBW] Lights on a Platy

[Richard Borneman]

I going to put a dynohub wheel on my Platy and wire it up for lights. I'm 
thinking about drilling a small hole in the lug cutout under the downtube, 
running the wire inside and up the seat tube, drill another small hole in 
rear of seat post for wire to exit.
 Anybody done that before? I don't think it will weaken anything enough to 
matter.
Don't really want to look at a wire running down, up and around on the 
outside.
I read the recent article in BQ and like the hidden wire look.
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Ryan Frahm]

And congratulations on your Susie!

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> That is great news! If I was closer and/or had a car, I’d go get it! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> They made it to HQ on Monday, I'd expect you could call and arrange 
>> pickup as of now, I'll be grabbing my new Susie on Saturday!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Friday or Monday. Here it is Wednesday and I am getting anxious! I guess 
>> if it doesn’t get here before we make our move back north, I can swing by 
>> and pick it up on the way. Sure was hoping for a camp ride with it before 
>> we leave but that window is closing in a hurry. Sure hope we hear something 
>> soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If any Gus owners want a black Nitto threadless stem to match that head 
>>> badge, I have one for sale! The ad is buried a few months back maybe I’ll 
>>> bump it up. 
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2022, at 4:57 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> The rear dropouts have two less threaded mounts (there are three on the 
>>> original). Interesting how the smaller frame has the nicer scalloped 
>>> seatstays at the seat tube connection. Note that the larger frames also 
>>> have the extra water bottle mounts on the seat tube (both versions).
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0675s.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 The differences I can spot: 
 -The top tube decal has moved to the chain stay. 
 -The rear dropout is the new one that first appeared on on the 
 Platypus, replacing the old one that had the ugly tube squish connection. 
 There is a slight change to seat stay braze-ons positions probably due to 
 this change.
 -The Gus forks are no longer the complicated crowns of the original run 
 (though I think that changed mid - original batch when there was a mistake 
 with the forks sizes? my memory is fuzzy on this point.)
 Is there anything I have missed? I wonder if there are any secret geo 
 changes? Grant always seems to change *something *between batches, 
 historically.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Ryan Frahm]

That is great news! If I was closer and/or had a car, I’d go get it! 

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> They made it to HQ on Monday, I'd expect you could call and arrange pickup 
> as of now, I'll be grabbing my new Susie on Saturday!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Friday or Monday. Here it is Wednesday and I am getting anxious! I guess 
> if it doesn’t get here before we make our move back north, I can swing by 
> and pick it up on the way. Sure was hoping for a camp ride with it before 
> we leave but that window is closing in a hurry. Sure hope we hear something 
> soon!
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If any Gus owners want a black Nitto threadless stem to match that head 
>> badge, I have one for sale! The ad is buried a few months back maybe I’ll 
>> bump it up. 
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On May 16, 2022, at 4:57 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> The rear dropouts have two less threaded mounts (there are three on the 
>> original). Interesting how the smaller frame has the nicer scalloped 
>> seatstays at the seat tube connection. Note that the larger frames also 
>> have the extra water bottle mounts on the seat tube (both versions).
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0675s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> The differences I can spot: 
>>> -The top tube decal has moved to the chain stay. 
>>> -The rear dropout is the new one that first appeared on on the Platypus, 
>>> replacing the old one that had the ugly tube squish connection. There is a 
>>> slight change to seat stay braze-ons positions probably due to this change.
>>> -The Gus forks are no longer the complicated crowns of the original run 
>>> (though I think that changed mid - original batch when there was a mistake 
>>> with the forks sizes? my memory is fuzzy on this point.)
>>> Is there anything I have missed? I wonder if there are any secret geo 
>>> changes? Grant always seems to change *something *between batches, 
>>> historically.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

My one and only attempt at a paceline was on a Romulus with drop bars, 
nobody thought my bike was different from their's, it looked like a road 
bike. Leah got hit for being on a pullback bar mixte cuz it didn't fit a 
stupid norm someone expected. 

PS. Holy cow I was slow on that ride! Never again ✋

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 3:34:47 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Would Leah have been treated differently if she showed up on a steel IF 
> club racer?  What about a carbon platypus, if there were such a thing? 
>
> The frame material doesn’t matter. Her bike style was unusual, and that 
> seemed to bring out some attitude from some club members. To attribute that 
> to the frame material seems like a huge leap. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Well, Eric, on what else would you blame the bad manners in club riding 
>> other than "We've got our CF racing bikes ready to go and 'who are you?' 
>> coming into our regular bike formations bringing this relaxed steel bike 
>> frame bike?" Wouldn't you think it welcoming to any and all who wanted to 
>> ride along as acceptable?  What about if the likes of Freddy Hoffman who 
>> might've decided to ride with that group, someone who would likely leave 
>> everyone else far behind?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> How again do exotic frame materials bring about bad manners in club 
>>> riding? I'm really not seeing a causal relationship there.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> pretty much the same regardless of what frame material I ride
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:15 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.  
 When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this 
 thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all 
 looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to 
 expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the 
 gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF 
 and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an 
 elitist mindset.

 Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a 
 Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the 
 next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the 
 yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple 
 riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram 
 doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me, 
 wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out 
 that 
 they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that 
 annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all 
 of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to 
 registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made 
 by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all 
 went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as 
 it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.  
 During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The 
 racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys; 
 others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual 
 century and a general break-up of the club membership."

 Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very 
 picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course. 
  
 The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides 
 while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through 
 groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, 
 limiting 
 the availability of the property's drives.

 I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general 
 state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks 
 that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway, 
 that's my two-cents on the matter.

 On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the 
> fun in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy 
> people 
> who wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon 
> fork. 
> Stay away from those people! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into 
>> line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[George Schick]

Well again, Eric, there's this social dynamic known as "mob behavior" is 
there not?  That is, "... you are not like the rest of us, but you want to 
behave like the rest of us are inferior to what we already have as known 
and acceptable standards (be that frame material, road bike-like design, 
etc.), which therefore makes you look like an outlier and either equal to 
or superior to the rest of us, especially if you drop out of a pace line in 
order to chase down and beat a faster rider?  What other behavior would you 
expect from a group like that under those circumstances?

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:34:47 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> Would Leah have been treated differently if she showed up on a steel IF 
> club racer?  What about a carbon platypus, if there were such a thing? 
>
> The frame material doesn’t matter. Her bike style was unusual, and that 
> seemed to bring out some attitude from some club members. To attribute that 
> to the frame material seems like a huge leap. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Well, Eric, on what else would you blame the bad manners in club riding 
>> other than "We've got our CF racing bikes ready to go and 'who are you?' 
>> coming into our regular bike formations bringing this relaxed steel bike 
>> frame bike?" Wouldn't you think it welcoming to any and all who wanted to 
>> ride along as acceptable?  What about if the likes of Freddy Hoffman who 
>> might've decided to ride with that group, someone who would likely leave 
>> everyone else far behind?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> How again do exotic frame materials bring about bad manners in club 
>>> riding? I'm really not seeing a causal relationship there.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> pretty much the same regardless of what frame material I ride
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:15 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.  
 When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this 
 thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all 
 looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to 
 expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the 
 gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF 
 and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an 
 elitist mindset.

 Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a 
 Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the 
 next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the 
 yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple 
 riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram 
 doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me, 
 wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out 
 that 
 they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that 
 annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all 
 of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to 
 registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made 
 by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all 
 went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as 
 it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.  
 During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The 
 racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys; 
 others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual 
 century and a general break-up of the club membership."

 Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very 
 picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course. 
  
 The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides 
 while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through 
 groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, 
 limiting 
 the availability of the property's drives.

 I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general 
 state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks 
 that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway, 
 that's my two-cents on the matter.

 On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the 
> fun in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy 
> people 
> who wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon 
> fork. 
> Stay away from those 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Eric Daume]

Would Leah have been treated differently if she showed up on a steel IF
club racer?  What about a carbon platypus, if there were such a thing?

The frame material doesn’t matter. Her bike style was unusual, and that
seemed to bring out some attitude from some club members. To attribute that
to the frame material seems like a huge leap.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, George Schick  wrote:

> Well, Eric, on what else would you blame the bad manners in club riding
> other than "We've got our CF racing bikes ready to go and 'who are you?'
> coming into our regular bike formations bringing this relaxed steel bike
> frame bike?" Wouldn't you think it welcoming to any and all who wanted to
> ride along as acceptable?  What about if the likes of Freddy Hoffman who
> might've decided to ride with that group, someone who would likely leave
> everyone else far behind?
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> How again do exotic frame materials bring about bad manners in club
>> riding? I'm really not seeing a causal relationship there.
>>
>> Eric
>> pretty much the same regardless of what frame material I ride
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:15 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.
>>> When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this
>>> thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all
>>> looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to
>>> expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the
>>> gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF
>>> and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an
>>> elitist mindset.
>>>
>>> Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a
>>> Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the
>>> next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the
>>> yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple
>>> riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram
>>> doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me,
>>> wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out that
>>> they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that
>>> annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all
>>> of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to
>>> registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made
>>> by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all
>>> went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as
>>> it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.
>>> During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The
>>> racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys;
>>> others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual
>>> century and a general break-up of the club membership."
>>>
>>> Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very
>>> picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course.
>>> The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides
>>> while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through
>>> groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, limiting
>>> the availability of the property's drives.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general
>>> state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks
>>> that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway,
>>> that's my two-cents on the matter.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the
 fun in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people
 who wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork.
 Stay away from those people!

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:

> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into
> line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put 
> the
> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline
> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we
> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some 
> things
> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do
> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I
> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the
> woman in front of me slammed on 

[RBW] Re: FS cheviot 60cm light blue

[Carla Waugh]

BTW the bike is in Norman Ok. and is a 60cm

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:44:07 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:

> This is my brother in laws Cheviot he ordered two years ago before knee 
> replacement and it has less than 50 miles. He decided that he wants to move 
> to an Ebike. This bike is in pristine condition. During shipping it came 
> with a small blemish and Riv suggested the local shop do the touchup which 
> is in the first photo. 2500 plus shipping. if you have any questions here 
> is his email hsda...@gmail.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Jared Wilson]

They made it to HQ on Monday, I'd expect you could call and arrange pickup as 
of now, I'll be grabbing my new Susie on Saturday!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> Friday or Monday. Here it is Wednesday and I am getting anxious! I guess if 
> it doesn’t get here before we make our move back north, I can swing by and 
> pick it up on the way. Sure was hoping for a camp ride with it before we 
> leave but that window is closing in a hurry. Sure hope we hear something soon!
> 
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> If any Gus owners want a black Nitto threadless stem to match that head 
>> badge, I have one for sale! The ad is buried a few months back maybe I’ll 
>> bump it up. 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
 On May 16, 2022, at 4:57 AM, lconley  wrote:
 
>>> The rear dropouts have two less threaded mounts (there are three on the 
>>> original). Interesting how the smaller frame has the nicer scalloped 
>>> seatstays at the seat tube connection. Note that the larger frames also 
>>> have the extra water bottle mounts on the seat tube (both versions).
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Laing
>>> 
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
> The differences I can spot: 
> -The top tube decal has moved to the chain stay. 
> -The rear dropout is the new one that first appeared on on the Platypus, 
> replacing the old one that had the ugly tube squish connection. There is 
> a slight change to seat stay braze-ons positions probably due to this 
> change.
> -The Gus forks are no longer the complicated crowns of the original run 
> (though I think that changed mid - original batch when there was a 
> mistake with the forks sizes? my memory is fuzzy on this point.)
> Is there anything I have missed? I wonder if there are any secret geo 
> changes? Grant always seems to change something between batches, 
> historically.
 
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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[George Schick]

Well, Eric, on what else would you blame the bad manners in club riding 
other than "We've got our CF racing bikes ready to go and 'who are you?' 
coming into our regular bike formations bringing this relaxed steel bike 
frame bike?" Wouldn't you think it welcoming to any and all who wanted to 
ride along as acceptable?  What about if the likes of Freddy Hoffman who 
might've decided to ride with that group, someone who would likely leave 
everyone else far behind?


On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:16:45 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> How again do exotic frame materials bring about bad manners in club 
> riding? I'm really not seeing a causal relationship there.
>
> Eric
> pretty much the same regardless of what frame material I ride
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:15 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.  
>> When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this 
>> thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all 
>> looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to 
>> expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the 
>> gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF 
>> and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an 
>> elitist mindset.
>>
>> Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a 
>> Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the 
>> next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the 
>> yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple 
>> riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram 
>> doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me, 
>> wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out that 
>> they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that 
>> annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all 
>> of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to 
>> registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made 
>> by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all 
>> went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as 
>> it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.  
>> During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The 
>> racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys; 
>> others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual 
>> century and a general break-up of the club membership."
>>
>> Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very 
>> picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course.  
>> The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides 
>> while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through 
>> groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, limiting 
>> the availability of the property's drives.
>>
>> I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general 
>> state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks 
>> that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway, 
>> that's my two-cents on the matter.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the 
>>> fun in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people 
>>> who wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork. 
>>> Stay away from those people! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into 
 line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put 
 the 
 group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline 
 experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we 
 never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some 
 things 
 at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do 
 that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I 
 was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the 
 woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and 
 I 
 don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This 
 caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know 
 what 
 I should have done. Hit her? 

 It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one 
 day soon in A2. 

 Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Eric Daume]

How again do exotic frame materials bring about bad manners in club riding?
I'm really not seeing a causal relationship there.

Eric
pretty much the same regardless of what frame material I ride

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:15 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.
> When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this
> thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all
> looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to
> expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the
> gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF
> and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an
> elitist mindset.
>
> Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a
> Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the
> next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the
> yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple
> riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram
> doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me,
> wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out that
> they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that
> annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all
> of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to
> registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made
> by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all
> went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as
> it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.
> During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The
> racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys;
> others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual
> century and a general break-up of the club membership."
>
> Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very
> picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course.
> The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides
> while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through
> groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, limiting
> the availability of the property's drives.
>
> I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general
> state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks
> that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway,
> that's my two-cents on the matter.
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the fun
>> in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people who
>> wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork. Stay
>> away from those people!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into
>>> line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the
>>> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline
>>> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we
>>> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things
>>> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do
>>> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I
>>> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the
>>> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I
>>> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This
>>> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what
>>> I should have done. Hit her?
>>>
>>> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one
>>> day soon in A2.
>>>
>>> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain...
>>> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in
>>> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good
>>> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved
>>> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline).
>>> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road
>>> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with
>>> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to
>>> have a lot 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Max S]

As with everything, there can be good reasons for certain practices 
initially, but people forget those reasons, and there's a slide... I can't 
speak for what / how a given set of locals is doing it. My personal 
experience with club rides has been overwhelmingly positive, whether it's 
for fun rides around the area, or training for racing. I was just 
describing that there are reasons strangers used to doing things in a 
particular way may be somewhat apprehensive about someone showing up and 
doing things in a radically different way. Nowadays I ride with 1-3 other 
people most of the time, they're non-racers, we don't do pacelines, but 
sometimes we like to go a bit faster than "party pace" – it's all good! :-) 

- Max "smoke break over" in A2 
On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:15:43 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.  
> When I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this 
> thread back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all 
> looked out for each other and politely pointed out different things to 
> expect on the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the 
> gradual introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF 
> and high, high end components for much of this behavior as well as an 
> elitist mindset.
>
> Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a 
> Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the 
> next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the 
> yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple 
> riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram 
> doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me, 
> wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out that 
> they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that 
> annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all 
> of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to 
> registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made 
> by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all 
> went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as 
> it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.  
> During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The 
> racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys; 
> others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual 
> century and a general break-up of the club membership."
>
> Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very 
> picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course.  
> The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides 
> while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through 
> groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, limiting 
> the availability of the property's drives.
>
> I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general 
> state of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks 
> that would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway, 
> that's my two-cents on the matter.
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the fun 
>> in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people who 
>> wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork. Stay 
>> away from those people! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into 
>>> line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the 
>>> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline 
>>> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we 
>>> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things 
>>> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do 
>>> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I 
>>> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the 
>>> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I 
>>> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This 
>>> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what 
>>> I should have done. Hit her? 
>>>
>>> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one 
>>> day soon in A2. 
>>>
>>> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[George Schick]

Something has happened to some of these local clubs over the decades.  When 
I was riding with head's down groups like the ones mentioned in this thread 
back in the late 70's/early 80's they weren't like that.  They all looked 
out for each other and politely pointed out different things to expect on 
the ride, etc. and how to ride in pace lines.  I blame the gradual 
introduction of exotic frame materials like titanium and then CF and high, 
high end components for much of this behavior as well as an elitist mindset.

Couple of examples:  Ten-to-twelve years ago a local club based in a 
Western suburb of Chicago used to sponsor a century ride centered in the 
next county to the West of here.  All of a sudden it was no longer on the 
yearly ride roster; it just disappeared.  So, one day I spotted a couple 
riding through the park behind my house while I was out there with the Ram 
doing the annual post-Winter maintenance shakedown.  They stopped near me, 
wowed by the Ram and so we struck up a conversation.  When I found out that 
they were members of that local club I asked about the demise of that 
annual century ride their club had sponsored.  The guy said, "You know all 
of those baked goods, paper cups of trail mix, etc. that were available to 
registered riders at the sag stops?  Well, those were all voluntarily made 
by members of the club so the money from the registration for the ride all 
went directly to the club's treasury."  "So?" I said.  He said, "Well, as 
it turned out, the club's treasury wound up with a lot of money in it.  
During club meetings arguments broke out over how to use the money.  The 
racing crowd wanted all of it to go toward "their" club racing jerseys; 
others disagreed and the end result was a cancellation of the annual 
century and a general break-up of the club membership."

Another example involved training rides of racer-types through a very 
picturesque and hilly Indianapolis cemetery, ideal for a criterium course.  
The groups became so arrogant and condescending that they had their rides 
while funeral services were being held, often riding directly through 
groups of mourners.  The cemetery finally had to put a stop to it, limiting 
the availability of the property's drives.

I could go on and on about how these attitudes reflect on the general state 
of our culture nowadays, but it would likely devolve into remarks that 
would force the moderator to nuke most of the comments.  Anyway, that's my 
two-cents on the matter.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:49:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the fun 
> in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people who 
> wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork. Stay 
> away from those people! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into 
>> line visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the 
>> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline 
>> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we 
>> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things 
>> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do 
>> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I 
>> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the 
>> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I 
>> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This 
>> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what 
>> I should have done. Hit her? 
>>
>> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one 
>> day soon in A2. 
>>
>> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain... 
>> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in 
>> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good 
>> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved 
>> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline). 
>> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road 
>> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with 
>> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to 
>> have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a 
>> pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed 
>> can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you 
>> are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and 
>> your 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

I just hope it stays fun, or more accurately you continue to find the fun 
in it. Pacelines are notorious for attractng competitive grumpy people who 
wouldn't know fun if it cracked them over the head with a carbon fork. Stay 
away from those people! 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into line 
> visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the 
> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline 
> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we 
> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things 
> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do 
> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I 
> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the 
> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I 
> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This 
> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what 
> I should have done. Hit her? 
>
> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one 
> day soon in A2. 
>
> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
> Leah
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain... 
> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in 
> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good 
> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved 
> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline). 
> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road 
> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with 
> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to 
> have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a 
> pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed 
> can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you 
> are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and 
> your bars are also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or 
> forward. Riding in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier. 
> I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with 
> people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any 
> speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable. 
> You learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and 
> forth, riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb, 
> riders whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for 
> frequent crashes), and *riders who for whatever other stupid reason may 
> appear like they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on 
> them to keep their line and predictability in a tight bunch*. I'm not 
> saying that you exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't 
> know the other riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional 
> situation you're running into on these club rides, people tend to pay more 
> attention to various secondary indicators / cues. 
> If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight 
> groups on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or 
> life-and-serious-injury) type considerations that drive these behaviors. 
> In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these 
> unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more 
> trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that 
> there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative 
> "patron" on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and 
> ensure there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it 
> from another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage 
> diversity in cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where 
> uniformity and conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If 
> you ever get to ride with experienced and strong riders that can maintain a 
> proper rotating paceline going at 20-25 mph, with very little work, 
> relatively speaking, it's an exhilirating experience!
>
> - Max "mostly reformed roadie racer who still likes to make an effort, 
> even if mostly on dirt roads" in A2 
>
> PS: Take a day or weekend to visit A2 (a 2-3 hr drive from KZoo) and 
> you'll discover lots of nice rides and friendly riders here. Happy to host. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 8:09:41 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club, 
>> and once they 

Re: [RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Ryan Frahm]

Friday or Monday. Here it is Wednesday and I am getting anxious! I guess if 
it doesn’t get here before we make our move back north, I can swing by and 
pick it up on the way. Sure was hoping for a camp ride with it before we 
leave but that window is closing in a hurry. Sure hope we hear something 
soon!

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:49:12 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> If any Gus owners want a black Nitto threadless stem to match that head 
> badge, I have one for sale! The ad is buried a few months back maybe I’ll 
> bump it up. 
>
> Joe
>
> On May 16, 2022, at 4:57 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> The rear dropouts have two less threaded mounts (there are three on the 
> original). Interesting how the smaller frame has the nicer scalloped 
> seatstays at the seat tube connection. Note that the larger frames also 
> have the extra water bottle mounts on the seat tube (both versions).
>
>
> [image: IMG_0675s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> The differences I can spot: 
>> -The top tube decal has moved to the chain stay. 
>> -The rear dropout is the new one that first appeared on on the Platypus, 
>> replacing the old one that had the ugly tube squish connection. There is a 
>> slight change to seat stay braze-ons positions probably due to this change.
>> -The Gus forks are no longer the complicated crowns of the original run 
>> (though I think that changed mid - original batch when there was a mistake 
>> with the forks sizes? my memory is fuzzy on this point.)
>> Is there anything I have missed? I wonder if there are any secret geo 
>> changes? Grant always seems to change *something *between batches, 
>> historically.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

I finally got around to taking the fenders and front rack/bag off of my 
bike. I only had time for a short ride, but it does seem to have a 
significant change of feel. I never though that it handled poorly with the 
front rack. The best way to put it is that maybe the bike seems "sleepy" 
with the front rack and bag. One thing I did notice is that it really wants 
to be a wheelie machine without the front rack. My front wheel kept coming 
up when climbing steep hills.

Tonight I have a longer ride planned with a friend. We'll see how it does 
with a non-trivial distance.

Cheers!
Ben
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:13:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> In spite of how often people do it and seem fine with it, I *really *don't 
> like front loads on Rivs. Even the weight of a porteur rack with no load 
> was enough to make my steering feel sketchy. Did you have the problem 
> before you installed it? 
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: A2D2E895-1FB7-4121-A081-8CDCC4E9F3E4.jpeg]I’ve never used a rear 
>> bag… just an under seat wrap.
>> I had a handlebar bag for a bit, and now a front porteur rack with an 
>> average bag on top. It’s usually pretty light.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You might get rid of some fender wobble with a bolt-tightening session 
>>> at all the mounting points, it's not my experience that SKS fenders move 
>>> around much. 
>>>
>>> The wobble you feel in turns is concerning and probably not fender 
>>> related. What's the bags/racks situation on your Ram?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all! 

 I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
 Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
 rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
 Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
 from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
 that.

 There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
 sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not 
 all 
 the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and 
 weird. 
 I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
 to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
 fenders are becoming the scapegoat.

 So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
 take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
 same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I 
 like 
 having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
 nicer fenders because I like having them.

 Cheers!
 Ben

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[lconley]

Have you heard of the Velominati? see https://www.velominati.com/ , kind of 
a tongue-in-cheek look at cycling etiquette and cyclists.

By showing up on a Rivendell, you have obviously violated rule number 4: *It's 
all about the bike*, and a lot of other rules, too.

Laing



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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Leah,

One crazy perspective that might be interesting to think about is what you
experienced that day was what I experienced every day of my life growing up
as a Japanese-American in the 80's in the midwest (OK a little hyperbole
there, but real).  This is in the backdrop of Vincent Chin being beaten up
and killed in MI for being "Japanese" and stealing American jobs--he was
Chinese-American.  Anyhow, you could shed your "skin" and get a new bike,
but I couldn't do that.

The good point is that most people aren't racist--they may just be
ignorant.  They will look at you funny that first time, but once they get
to know you they will be friendly and may even become friends.  At that
point, it is just the new people you meet who give you the funny looks.

Good luck,
Toshi


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 5:09 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club,
> and once they all get used to seeing me I have hope of a normal, non-judgy
> experience. But last night was brutal.
>
> This is a women’s ride. You would think women would be more welcoming than
> men, but I’m finding I have a better time with the men. They are better at
> keeping their thoughts to themselves. We huddled up at the start to discuss
> routes, rules, and break up into groups. Here comes a 20-something, whom I
> recognize from the Friday ride. She rode with the slow group that day. She
> approaches me and says, “How tall are you?”
>
> “5’6”.
>
> “Great. I felt so bad that you had to turn back on Friday’s ride because
> you didn’t have a road bike. We just all felt so bad! My Dad collects road
> bikes in my size and I have one for you!”
>
> I was so embarrassed. She thinks I can’t afford a road bike. She thinks I
> can’t do the ride. I am not the woman she is thinking of, and she’s saying
> out loud what a lot of them are thinking already - that woman on the retro
> bike isn’t going to make it. I protested. Told her she must be thinking of
> someone else; I hadn’t turned back on the ride, I had finished. We hadn’t
> even ridden in the same group! “But I recognize your bike”, she insisted. I
> could not convince her, but she let it go as we rolled out of the parking
> lot.
>
> After that, I had a LOT to prove. I got into the front of that peloton so
> that al the doubters behind me would see that I’m not limited by my
> bike. That morning I had ridden 23 miles with Marc (Sam rider and kindred
> spirit), lifted weights, and would now have 24 miles in the 15-16 mph
> class. I hoped I had enough in the tank to do it.
>
> I rode alone for a lot of that ride. The other women were riding 2 abreast
> and chatting, but no one wanted to fill in the spot next to me. This went
> on for many miles. Finally, I ended up with a partner who broke the ice
> saying, “I like that you went retro all the way on that bike. Even the bag!
> How old is it?”
>
> Eventually, when they realized I wasn’t going to wreck their ride, some of
> them warmed to me. They called me a beast. They liked the word “Platypus”
> on my bike. The 20-something apologized for mistaking my identity. It ended
> fine. But GEEZ, they make me work to prove myself. Just because I ride a
> different bike than them. The height of my persecution is *nothing *in
> comparison to the truly persecuted, but I’ve gotten a taste of what they
> endure. And it’s rotten.
>
> A new woman in the 12 mph group finished and I asked how was her ride. She
> has an upright Raleigh with suspension fork and seat post. She is obese but
> working on it. “Well, it makes me want to get a road bike,” she said. Not
> me, I said.
>
> Anyway, I love my Platypus and it doesn’t stop me from doing a single
> thing I want to do with it. I would like to see more Racing Platypuses at
> club rides! They are more than capable.
>
> Leah
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Leah: Thanks for more enthralling narrative about the paceline Platypus.
Max: Thanks for the interesting "apercus" on paceline etiquette.

While reading Max's description of paceline concerns, urgent niggling
images of Rivendell Hillbikes in pacelines kept afflicting my imagination,
with 75 cm-wide Rivendell handlebars and Titanic-length wheelbases
preventing close paceline formations, etc. OTOH, the very precise handling
of every Rivendell model I've ever ridden ought to take care of that
problem.

Leah, if you were a man, I'd call you a "mensch."

Post scriptum: a plea: Peoples: can we attach High Volume jpegs to the
message using the paperclip, instead of copying them into the body of the
email? I have a 42" $1K (2015) gaming-quality screen (for work) and some
files stretch the capacity of even this screen. Also, can we bottom-trim
our messages so that we're not including multi-TBs of images and text from
far earlier in the thread? Thanks.


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 10:21 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into line
> visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the
> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline
> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we
> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things
> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do
> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I
> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the
> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I
> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This
> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what
> I should have done. Hit her?
>
> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one
> day soon in A2.
>
> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
> Leah
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> 
> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain...
> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in
> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good
> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved
> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline).
> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road
> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with
> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to
> have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a
> pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed
> can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you
> are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and
> your bars are also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or
> forward. Riding in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier.
> I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with
> people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any
> speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable.
> You learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and
> forth, riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb,
> riders whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for
> frequent crashes), and *riders who for whatever other stupid reason may
> appear like they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on
> them to keep their line and predictability in a tight bunch*. I'm not
> saying that you exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't
> know the other riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional
> situation you're running into on these club rides, people tend to pay more
> attention to various secondary indicators / cues.
> If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight
> groups on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or
> life-and-serious-injury) type considerations that drive these behaviors.
> In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these
> unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more
> trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that
> there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative
> "patron" on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and
> ensure there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it
> from another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage
> diversity in cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where
> uniformity and conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If
> you ever get to ride with experienced and 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Max S]

Here's a decent primer on pacelines by GCN:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDxXRq5fo8A 
Much better to learn by doing, of course. :-) 

Also, I promise you will enjoy this read immensely:  
https://www.amazon.com/Rider-Tim-Krabb%C3%A9/dp/1582342903 
And after you read that book, please watch this little docu on that (cult) 
book:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiaitFPHtqw 

- Max "whose 22 is no longer clean" in A2 

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into line 
> visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the 
> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline 
> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we 
> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things 
> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do 
> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I 
> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the 
> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I 
> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This 
> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what 
> I should have done. Hit her? 
>
> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one 
> day soon in A2. 
>
> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
> Leah
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain... 
> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in 
> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good 
> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved 
> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline). 
> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road 
> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with 
> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to 
> have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a 
> pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed 
> can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you 
> are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and 
> your bars are also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or 
> forward. Riding in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier. 
> I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with 
> people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any 
> speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable. 
> You learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and 
> forth, riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb, 
> riders whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for 
> frequent crashes), and *riders who for whatever other stupid reason may 
> appear like they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on 
> them to keep their line and predictability in a tight bunch*. I'm not 
> saying that you exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't 
> know the other riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional 
> situation you're running into on these club rides, people tend to pay more 
> attention to various secondary indicators / cues. 
> If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight 
> groups on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or 
> life-and-serious-injury) type considerations that drive these behaviors. 
> In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these 
> unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more 
> trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that 
> there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative 
> "patron" on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and 
> ensure there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it 
> from another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage 
> diversity in cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where 
> uniformity and conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If 
> you ever get to ride with experienced and strong riders that can maintain a 
> proper rotating paceline going at 20-25 mph, with very little work, 
> relatively speaking, it's an exhilirating experience!
>
> - Max "mostly reformed roadie racer who still likes to make an effort, 
> even if mostly on dirt roads" in A2 
>
> PS: Take a day or weekend to visit A2 (a 2-3 hr drive from KZoo) and 
> you'll discover lots of nice rides and friendly riders here. Happy to host. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into line 
visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the group at 
risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline experience (yet). 
We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we never do. (Are we a 
pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things at the huddle and they 
say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do that. But there have been 
times when things go wrong and I wonder what I was *supposed* to have done. For 
instance, on the Monday Night Ride the woman in front of me slammed on her 
brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I don’t know why). Before I even thought 
to do the same, I already was. This caused the man behind me to growl. 
Literally growl. I still don’t know what I should have done. Hit her? 

It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one day 
soon in A2. 

Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
Leah

> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
> 
> 
> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain... 
> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in road 
> biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good reasons to 
> enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved roads in a 
> tight formation (e.g., a paceline). 
> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road with 
> cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with skinny 
> tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to have a lot 
> of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a pothole, 
> approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed can wreak 
> havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you are going >20 
> mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and your bars are 
> also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or forward. Riding 
> in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier. 
> I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with 
> people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any 
> speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable. You 
> learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and forth, 
> riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb, riders 
> whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for frequent 
> crashes), and riders who for whatever other stupid reason may appear like 
> they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on them to keep 
> their line and predictability in a tight bunch. I'm not saying that you 
> exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't know the other 
> riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional situation you're running 
> into on these club rides, people tend to pay more attention to various 
> secondary indicators / cues. 
> If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight groups 
> on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or life-and-serious-injury) type 
> considerations that drive these behaviors. 
> In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these 
> unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more 
> trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that 
> there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative "patron" 
> on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and ensure 
> there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it from 
> another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage diversity in 
> cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where uniformity and 
> conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If you ever get to 
> ride with experienced and strong riders that can maintain a proper rotating 
> paceline going at 20-25 mph, with very little work, relatively speaking, it's 
> an exhilirating experience!
> 
> - Max "mostly reformed roadie racer who still likes to make an effort, even 
> if mostly on dirt roads" in A2 
> 
> PS: Take a day or weekend to visit A2 (a 2-3 hr drive from KZoo) and you'll 
> discover lots of nice rides and friendly riders here. Happy to host. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 8:09:41 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club, 
>> and once they all get used to seeing me I have hope of a normal, non-judgy 
>> experience. But last night was brutal.
>> 
>> This is a women’s ride. You would think women would be more welcoming than 
>> men, but I’m finding I have a better time with the men. They are better at 
>> keeping their thoughts to themselves. We huddled up at the start to discuss 
>> routes, rules, and break up into 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Max S]

Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain... 
While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in 
road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good 
reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved 
roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline). 
Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road 
with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with 
skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to 
have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a 
pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed 
can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you 
are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and 
your bars are also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or 
forward. Riding in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier. 
I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with 
people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any 
speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable. 
You learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and 
forth, riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb, 
riders whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for 
frequent crashes), and *riders who for whatever other stupid reason may 
appear like they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on 
them to keep their line and predictability in a tight bunch*. I'm not 
saying that you exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't 
know the other riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional 
situation you're running into on these club rides, people tend to pay more 
attention to various secondary indicators / cues. 
If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight 
groups on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or 
life-and-serious-injury) type considerations that drive these behaviors. 
In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these 
unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more 
trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that 
there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative 
"patron" on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and 
ensure there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it 
from another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage 
diversity in cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where 
uniformity and conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If 
you ever get to ride with experienced and strong riders that can maintain a 
proper rotating paceline going at 20-25 mph, with very little work, 
relatively speaking, it's an exhilirating experience!

- Max "mostly reformed roadie racer who still likes to make an effort, even 
if mostly on dirt roads" in A2 

PS: Take a day or weekend to visit A2 (a 2-3 hr drive from KZoo) and you'll 
discover lots of nice rides and friendly riders here. Happy to host. 

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 8:09:41 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club, 
> and once they all get used to seeing me I have hope of a normal, non-judgy 
> experience. But last night was brutal.
>
> This is a women’s ride. You would think women would be more welcoming than 
> men, but I’m finding I have a better time with the men. They are better at 
> keeping their thoughts to themselves. We huddled up at the start to discuss 
> routes, rules, and break up into groups. Here comes a 20-something, whom I 
> recognize from the Friday ride. She rode with the slow group that day. She 
> approaches me and says, “How tall are you?”
>
> “5’6”.
>
> “Great. I felt so bad that you had to turn back on Friday’s ride because 
> you didn’t have a road bike. We just all felt so bad! My Dad collects road 
> bikes in my size and I have one for you!”
>
> I was so embarrassed. She thinks I can’t afford a road bike. She thinks I 
> can’t do the ride. I am not the woman she is thinking of, and she’s saying 
> out loud what a lot of them are thinking already - that woman on the retro 
> bike isn’t going to make it. I protested. Told her she must be thinking of 
> someone else; I hadn’t turned back on the ride, I had finished. We hadn’t 
> even ridden in the same group! “But I recognize your bike”, she insisted. I 
> could not convince her, but she let it go as we rolled out of the parking 
> lot.
>
> After that, I had a LOT to prove. I got into the front of that peloton so 
> that al the doubters behind me would see that I’m not limited by my 
> bike. That morning I had ridden 23 miles with Marc (Sam rider and kindred 
> spirit), lifted weights, 

[RBW] Re: ISO matching-color Problem Solvers Cross Clamp and DT Shifter Mount in silver and 31.8 mm; also indexed left side dt shifter

[Patrick Moore]

As usual, forgot some data: I want *hinged clamps* for ease of installation
and removal; the clamps will not (yet anyway) be mounted permanently.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 7:22 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> See photos below. I want to mount a single dt shifter on the top tube to
> shift my new TC and TF hubs (wheels built, been dragging feet in setting
> them up) and run the cable to roller clamp near seat cluster and down to
> hub. Don't want to rout cable under bb.
>
> Problem Solvers seems to have what I need, almost; see photos attached
> from current PS online catalogue.
>
> I'd prefer:
>
> > All silver to all black;
> > All black to mixed colors;
> > Single shifter boss to double boss.
>
> I have a silver, 31.8mm single-shifter boss mount, apparently no longer
> offered by Problem Solvers in any color. I will buy the 2-boss mount in
> black failing better options.
>
> So:
>
> 1. Does anyone have a Problem Solvers Cross Clamp in 31.8 mm in *SILVER?*
> 2. Does anyone have a PS DT *SINGLE* shifter mount in 31.8 mm in black?
>
> 2. Until I find a way or a metal worker to mount the OEM TF tt shifter
> onto a 31.8 clamp, I'll use a friction shifter, and I'd like to find one
> with strong resistance to the pull of the shifting mechanism spring.
> Perhaps something with strong indexing points?
>
> What do you all suggest? What do you all have to trade or sell?
>
> Again, would prefer color to match clamps.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] ISO matching-color Problem Solvers Cross Clamp and DT Shifter Mount in silver and 31.8 mm; also indexed left side dt shifter

[Patrick Moore]

See photos below. I want to mount a single dt shifter on the top tube to
shift my new TC and TF hubs (wheels built, been dragging feet in setting
them up) and run the cable to roller clamp near seat cluster and down to
hub. Don't want to rout cable under bb.

Problem Solvers seems to have what I need, almost; see photos attached from
current PS online catalogue.

I'd prefer:

> All silver to all black;
> All black to mixed colors;
> Single shifter boss to double boss.

I have a silver, 31.8mm single-shifter boss mount, apparently no longer
offered by Problem Solvers in any color. I will buy the 2-boss mount in
black failing better options.

So:

1. Does anyone have a Problem Solvers Cross Clamp in 31.8 mm in *SILVER?*
2. Does anyone have a PS DT *SINGLE* shifter mount in 31.8 mm in black?

2. Until I find a way or a metal worker to mount the OEM TF tt shifter onto
a 31.8 clamp, I'll use a friction shifter, and I'd like to find one with
strong resistance to the pull of the shifting mechanism spring. Perhaps
something with strong indexing points?

What do you all suggest? What do you all have to trade or sell?

Again, would prefer color to match clamps.

Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Doug H.]

This is disheartening to read but I'm glad you showed them that you can 
hang with the group. I think there is a lack of understanding about 
bicycles in general. I have learned much from the Rivendell philosophy and 
Grant but even before that I don't think I would have spoken to someone as 
that woman did. I've always been open minded and intrigued by folks who 
don't follow group-think. My Instagram name in doug_rides_solo and it suits 
my style lately. I avoid group rides even though I've done a few the past 
couple of years. When I rode a Clem in them the other guys asked about the 
bike and were skeptical I could keep up, which I struggled to do. But, it 
was not the bike, it was my lack of fitness. I have a Wabi Classic that 
while only a single speed is light weight with skinny tires (32 mm) that I 
have really liked. But, after riding the Clem for a few days straight, I 
hopped back on the Wabi and was instantly amazed at how the ride felt, in a 
bad way. The Wabi was not comfortable and didn't feel "fast" even with the 
specs telling me it should. It is light weight and aggressive in position. 
All this to say I have had a revelation in bicycle philosophy that I doubt 
will become mainstream in the world of group road riding.
Doug

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 8:09:41 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club, 
> and once they all get used to seeing me I have hope of a normal, non-judgy 
> experience. But last night was brutal.
>
> This is a women’s ride. You would think women would be more welcoming than 
> men, but I’m finding I have a better time with the men. They are better at 
> keeping their thoughts to themselves. We huddled up at the start to discuss 
> routes, rules, and break up into groups. Here comes a 20-something, whom I 
> recognize from the Friday ride. She rode with the slow group that day. She 
> approaches me and says, “How tall are you?”
>
> “5’6”.
>
> “Great. I felt so bad that you had to turn back on Friday’s ride because 
> you didn’t have a road bike. We just all felt so bad! My Dad collects road 
> bikes in my size and I have one for you!”
>
> I was so embarrassed. She thinks I can’t afford a road bike. She thinks I 
> can’t do the ride. I am not the woman she is thinking of, and she’s saying 
> out loud what a lot of them are thinking already - that woman on the retro 
> bike isn’t going to make it. I protested. Told her she must be thinking of 
> someone else; I hadn’t turned back on the ride, I had finished. We hadn’t 
> even ridden in the same group! “But I recognize your bike”, she insisted. I 
> could not convince her, but she let it go as we rolled out of the parking 
> lot.
>
> After that, I had a LOT to prove. I got into the front of that peloton so 
> that al the doubters behind me would see that I’m not limited by my 
> bike. That morning I had ridden 23 miles with Marc (Sam rider and kindred 
> spirit), lifted weights, and would now have 24 miles in the 15-16 mph 
> class. I hoped I had enough in the tank to do it.
>
> I rode alone for a lot of that ride. The other women were riding 2 abreast 
> and chatting, but no one wanted to fill in the spot next to me. This went 
> on for many miles. Finally, I ended up with a partner who broke the ice 
> saying, “I like that you went retro all the way on that bike. Even the bag! 
> How old is it?” 
>
> Eventually, when they realized I wasn’t going to wreck their ride, some of 
> them warmed to me. They called me a beast. They liked the word “Platypus” 
> on my bike. The 20-something apologized for mistaking my identity. It ended 
> fine. But GEEZ, they make me work to prove myself. Just because I ride a 
> different bike than them. The height of my persecution is *nothing *in 
> comparison to the truly persecuted, but I’ve gotten a taste of what they 
> endure. And it’s rotten.
>
> A new woman in the 12 mph group finished and I asked how was her ride. She 
> has an upright Raleigh with suspension fork and seat post. She is obese but 
> working on it. “Well, it makes me want to get a road bike,” she said. Not 
> me, I said.
>
> Anyway, I love my Platypus and it doesn’t stop me from doing a single 
> thing I want to do with it. I would like to see more Racing Platypuses at 
> club rides! They are more than capable.
>
> Leah
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 4:50:20 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Leah 
>>
>> My Rivendells fall into the category of dog-carrier, racing optional (she 
>> prefers long winding descents, and so demands their geometry). 
>>
>> She turns and whines when 'we' are too slow on the inclines. Keeps me 
>> fit. 
>>
>> [image: IMG-2956.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG-3325.jpg]
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Chris 
>> SB, CA
>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 1:12:46 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful Platypus! Very cool group you get to ride with, Chris. 
>>> Our Club is set up similarly in that if offers rides all 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Last night was the worst yet. There are a lot of group rides in the Club, 
and once they all get used to seeing me I have hope of a normal, non-judgy 
experience. But last night was brutal.

This is a women’s ride. You would think women would be more welcoming than 
men, but I’m finding I have a better time with the men. They are better at 
keeping their thoughts to themselves. We huddled up at the start to discuss 
routes, rules, and break up into groups. Here comes a 20-something, whom I 
recognize from the Friday ride. She rode with the slow group that day. She 
approaches me and says, “How tall are you?”

“5’6”.

“Great. I felt so bad that you had to turn back on Friday’s ride because 
you didn’t have a road bike. We just all felt so bad! My Dad collects road 
bikes in my size and I have one for you!”

I was so embarrassed. She thinks I can’t afford a road bike. She thinks I 
can’t do the ride. I am not the woman she is thinking of, and she’s saying 
out loud what a lot of them are thinking already - that woman on the retro 
bike isn’t going to make it. I protested. Told her she must be thinking of 
someone else; I hadn’t turned back on the ride, I had finished. We hadn’t 
even ridden in the same group! “But I recognize your bike”, she insisted. I 
could not convince her, but she let it go as we rolled out of the parking 
lot.

After that, I had a LOT to prove. I got into the front of that peloton so 
that al the doubters behind me would see that I’m not limited by my 
bike. That morning I had ridden 23 miles with Marc (Sam rider and kindred 
spirit), lifted weights, and would now have 24 miles in the 15-16 mph 
class. I hoped I had enough in the tank to do it.

I rode alone for a lot of that ride. The other women were riding 2 abreast 
and chatting, but no one wanted to fill in the spot next to me. This went 
on for many miles. Finally, I ended up with a partner who broke the ice 
saying, “I like that you went retro all the way on that bike. Even the bag! 
How old is it?” 

Eventually, when they realized I wasn’t going to wreck their ride, some of 
them warmed to me. They called me a beast. They liked the word “Platypus” 
on my bike. The 20-something apologized for mistaking my identity. It ended 
fine. But GEEZ, they make me work to prove myself. Just because I ride a 
different bike than them. The height of my persecution is *nothing *in 
comparison to the truly persecuted, but I’ve gotten a taste of what they 
endure. And it’s rotten.

A new woman in the 12 mph group finished and I asked how was her ride. She 
has an upright Raleigh with suspension fork and seat post. She is obese but 
working on it. “Well, it makes me want to get a road bike,” she said. Not 
me, I said.

Anyway, I love my Platypus and it doesn’t stop me from doing a single thing 
I want to do with it. I would like to see more Racing Platypuses at club 
rides! They are more than capable.

Leah

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 4:50:20 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Leah 
>
> My Rivendells fall into the category of dog-carrier, racing optional (she 
> prefers long winding descents, and so demands their geometry). 
>
> She turns and whines when 'we' are too slow on the inclines. Keeps me fit. 
>
> [image: IMG-2956.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG-3325.jpg]
>
> Cheers, 
>
> Chris 
> SB, CA
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 1:12:46 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful Platypus! Very cool group you get to ride with, Chris. 
>> Our Club is set up similarly in that if offers rides all week long from 
>> April-October (not the winter months, you spoiled Californian!)  and with 
>> all groups of speed. The local bike shop offers fun rides, too, like to 
>> local breweries or businesses in neighboring towns. They are really nice 
>> people and I’m so happy I got to join. 
>>
>> How are you liking that Platypus? Is it a Racing Platypus or some other 
>> kind?
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't done a club ride in decades - back then, it was a weekly 
>> Southern California thing, whether the Como St ride, MTB, etc. 
>>
>>
>> I now, however, enjoy rides with folks I've met over the years from our 
>> local Newcomers club. Leah - you might want to look into that, especially 
>> if you're new to your area. Our local chapter hosts multiple weekly rides 
>> year-round (OK, weather is kind of accommodating here), and there's a wide 
>> diversity of bikes and capabilities. From there, folks gather in local 
>> groups, maybe by average speed, maybe according to common interests and 
>> growing friendships, and sometimes neighborhood convenience. Sometimes it's 
>> just two of us, sometimes a dozen with meet. Newcomers has introduced us to 
>> so many of the nicest people we've ever known, and we have made some of the 
>> dearest friends in our lifetimes. Highly recommended. 
>>
>> For the sake of gear diversity, I've attached a photo of the Platy next 
>> to one dear friend's cutting edge e-bike.