Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

[Joe Mullins]

John,

Congrats on the Atlantis! Personally, I think that moving from serious road 
biking to the Atlantis is upshifting rather than downshifting. You can ride 
that Atlantis anywhere your legs can take you, carry whatever you want within 
limit, and change it up as your tastes change. Going from an Atlantis to what I 
imagine a serious road bike to be would be a downshift in my book…so welcome!

I love Albatross bars on my Hillborne-- my “racing” bike which can go anywhere 
I want to go. I have a bar end shifter for the rear and a thumby on the stem 
for the front. This gives me plenty of grip space. I rode the demo Gus with 
Billie bars and thumbies and while it felt good, I prefer the feel of Albatross 
or anything wider more (I’m 5’10 with slightly longish arms and an 85PBH).

I have 58cm Bosco bars with a right thumby on my Rosco and while others may 
disagree, I tend to consider these bars having only 2 positions…on the grips 
and on the flats. If I didn’t have the thumby I still don’t have as much room 
in front of the grips as I do with Albatross bars. I’m not sure what other 
positions folks find on these bars.

If I was you I’d try the ones you are leaning towards most and if you can 
afford to, try something different down the road. Never hurts to ask here on 
the group if someone has a set of bars collecting dust. If I had an Atlantis 
I’d try Albatross or Tosco’s or maybe even Losco’s. I would imagine that the 
current Atlantis was probably designed around Albatross bars and would love to 
hear other’s thoughts on this…

I have Paul Mini-Moto’s on my Hillborne and they are almost too good. The smoke 
my Shimano V-Brakes IMO. They just feel more solid. I would imagine the canti’s 
feel just as good.

Joe in Los Angeles

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Billie Bars for the win. They're a smidge wider than Albatross and shallower, 
> which will work for a more pleasant grip in the curves if you flip them. Lots 
> of room for shifters, levers and grips too. Accept no substitutes! 
> 
> Joe Bernard 
> 
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:54:25 PM UTC-7 John Moore wrote:
> In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new 
> Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of 
> serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly 
> due to changes in what I want a bike to do. 
> For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on 
> gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY 
> state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like. 
> 
> I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine. 
> Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front 
> derailleur, etc.
> 
> Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies, may 
> want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring through 
> Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very accustomed to drop 
> bars.
> 
> So...
> 
> Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag. Don't 
> want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but not as 
> many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely flip most of 
> these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks interesting but 
> unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of Atlantis. 
> 
> Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
> seems to be the case with Pauls.
> 
> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me a 
> hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
> 
> - John
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[RBW] Re: FS: Crank Stamp 1 Pedals, Shimano BL-R400 Brake Levers, Cantilevers, Race King Tires

[Johnny Alien]

Brakes levers are claimed as well. The tires and pedals are still here.

On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The brakes are gone. Everything else is still up for grabs.
>
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:15:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Feel free to make offers. I need space for more junk and would love to 
>> see these get some use.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:20:02 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I have the following stuff for sale (all prices include shipping):
>>>
>>>1. Crank Stamp 1 Pedals - White with gold pins. This was a limited 
>>>color that I am not sure is around anymore. I put them on but decided to 
>>>try out some MKS pedals and pulled them. They are essentially new 
>>> without a 
>>>box. Great looking, light weight and super grippy. Size small but they 
>>> are 
>>>still plenty big. 
>>>
>>> *$40 *
>>>2. Shimano BL-R400 Levers - I don't remember having these installed 
>>>very long. They look new. 
>>>
>>> *$30 *
>>>3. Continental Race King Tires - 650B X 2.2. I got these with some 
>>>wheels I bought. I didn't ride them much because I wanted something less 
>>>knobby. So while I don't know how many miles on them I can say they look 
>>> to 
>>>be in great shape overall. I don't think they were rode long. Really 
>>> light 
>>>and supple but still big and knobby. I think they can be set up 
>>> tubeless. 
>>>*$40* for the pair
>>>
>>>4. Shimano SLX Cantilever Brakes - These are I guess vintage but 
>>>look and work great. Comes with everything you need for the front and 
>>> back. 
>>>*$30*
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

[Richard Rose]

Tough question! Sure to get a lot of different opinions. I am on my first Riv 
after decades on drops. I really like my 650 wide Tosco bar on my Clem L. The 
650 might be the only one available in the 31.8 clamp size, which is nice as it 
is plenty stiff & simply does not slip using a FacePlater stem. It does not 
have as much rise as the Bosco. I doubt you will want to flip them once you try 
them upright. There are (for me) three good hand positions. It’s great for a 
handlebar bag. And it costs less than the Nitto bars though the finish is 
great. It is a heavy thing being ChrMo but it feels indestructible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:54 PM, John Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new 
> Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of 
> serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly 
> due to changes in what I want a bike to do. 
> 
> For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on 
> gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY 
> state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like. 
> 
> I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine. 
> Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front 
> derailleur, etc.
> 
> Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies, may 
> want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring through 
> Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very accustomed to drop 
> bars.
> 
> So...
> 
> Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag. Don't 
> want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but not as 
> many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely flip most of 
> these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks interesting but 
> unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of Atlantis. 
> 
> Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
> seems to be the case with Pauls.
> 
> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me a 
> hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
> 
> - John
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Swift

[Ray Varella]

Hi,
I’ll take the saddle,
I don’t see your name, my apologies if I missed it. 

Thank you 
Ray

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:59:04 PM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0781 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0784 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0786 
> Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0782 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0783 Small.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_0785 Small.jpeg]This is a fantastic looking saddle. I honestly just 
> don't have the patience to break it in. It makes me sad to let it go. $80 
> plus shipping

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Swift

[Lance Terry]

[image: IMG_0781 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0784 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0786 
Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0782 Small.jpeg][image: IMG_0783 Small.jpeg][image: 
IMG_0785 Small.jpeg]This is a fantastic looking saddle. I honestly just 
don't have the patience to break it in. It makes me sad to let it go. $80 
plus shipping

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: A bunch of nice parts I was accumulating for a build that isn't happening

[Paul Geall]

Nice looking App!  What is the bag you are using in the basket?
Thanks

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 1:25:02 AM UTC-5 Seth wrote:

> Yeah, the Ortho bars sold fast! I’m probably going to regret letting them 
> go, but my Appaloosa is pretty darn dialed right now and I’m really loving 
> the Tosco bars it came with. Had I not wrapped them I might have swapped 
> them out but now it’s a done deal! 
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:31 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Oh man people gonna be groaning over those Ortho Bars
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-4 Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>>> Interested in the Ortho bars. Sent a PM but unsure if it went through, 
>>> been a hot minute since I used Google Groups.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:29:50 AM UTC-7 Seth wrote:
>>>
 I have a bunch of parts that I was accumulating for a new Riv build I 
 was hoping to do (Susie or Atlantis) but I missed out on both presales. 
 Luckily I managed to score a great used Appaloosa recently so all is well 
 but this stuff now needs to go. Parts are all listed below with links to 
 pictures. Everything is negotiable; some stuff more than others if it is 
 New in Box (NIB). Details below.

 Paul Comp Canti Group - Lightly used, polished, new pads. Over $700 of 
 stuff new, would like to sell only as a group for $500. [Picture 
 ]

- Paul Components Canti Lever (polished, pair)
- Paul Components Touring Cantilever Brakes (polished, pair)
- Paul Components Moon Unit (polished, pair)

 Crust Ron’s Ortho Bar (polished, 26.0 clamp, 690mm width, 80mm rise) 
 $120 (new in box) [Picture ]

 Nitto Technomic Stem (26.0 clamp, 120mm) $45 (new in box) [Picture 
 ]

 I'd also like to sell these as a pair. I had installed the 38T on my 
 Appaloosa for 5 miles before I decided to get a different crank so it has 
 minimal use. 24T is unused. They were $88 for both new, would like to sell 
 for $60 for the pair.

- Specialites T.A. Zephyr 38T black chainring, 110 BCD [Picture 
]
- Specialites T.A. Zelito 24T black chainring, 74 BCD [Picture 
]

 Rivendell Silver Wide/Low Double Crankset with 38T/24T and bashguard, 
 170mm length
 $250 (new) [Picture 1 ] [Picture 
 2 ]

 Busch & Muller Lumotec IQ dynamo light $30 [Picture 
 ]

 Dia-Compe short pull SS-6 levers (panda) $40 [Picture 
 ]

 Shimano Claris short pull levers (gray) $25 [Picture 
 ]

 26.8 seatpost - FREE if you pay shipping since it has some rash on the 
 polish [Picture ]

 Rawland Demiporteur V3 rack $100 [Picture 1 
 ] [Picture 2 
 ]

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet (Warwick, RI)

[Seth Kruckenberg]

Not my bike but I was perusing my local Craigslist today and came across this 
nice 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet that is listed for sale down in Warwick, Rhode, 
Island.

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/d/warwick-58cm-rivendell-rambouillet/7487276801.html
 




Bike mechanic owned and maintained. Fully tuned, hubs greased and adjusted, 
wheels are trued, perfect shifting and braking. 8x2 STI shifting, 50/36 Sugino 
crank, 11-30 cassette, ultegra 9 speed front/rear derailers, Shimano mid reach 
dual pivot brakes, double wall 700c wheels with like new 700x33 Jack Browns. no 
dents but a handful of small scratches/cable rub marks, framesavered. Nitto 
bar/stem/seatpost. bags and Brooks not included 

$1500 complete

Located in Warwick, Rhode Island near TF Green Airport

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

[Hoch in ut]

I have a Clem L 59 and have fitted some 29x2.5” tires. (700x63mm). Coming 
from the stock 45mm slicks, these fat tires have been amazing and made the 
bike super fun. Even on pavement. 
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:44:11 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> My understanding is it's a colloquially 29er was referring to a 2"+ tire 
> that makes the diameter approximately 29" vs a 700c with a 23mm is 
> approximately 27". 
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-6 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>
>> Well, I feel silly.  A little more research could have answered that!  
>> Thanks, folks!  I appreciate that.  Makes sense now, the part where it says 
>> 29er *tires*...
>>
>> ~Jacob
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Jacob, 700c and 29er, 29in all refer to the same rim diameter of 622mm. 
>>> The term "29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be 
>>> associated with them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it 
>>> *something*. A fatter tire would only induce toe overlap if the frame 
>>> didn't have sufficient clearance to begin with and/or you pedal midfoot 
>>> with big feet and long cranks. The latest Clems though have so much 
>>> front-center(measured from the center BB to center front axle), none of the 
>>> above applies. 
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:01:54 PM UTC-4 Jacob Lopez wrote:
>>>
 Hi, All.

 I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you 
 know of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 
 29ers:

 I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er 
 Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be 
 looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to 
 how 
 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm 
 reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this 
 introduce toe-overlap?

 Jacob
 San Diego, CA

>>>

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[RBW] WTB: 57-59cm Sam/Atlantis/Appaloosa

[Justin Williams]

Hi all,

New-ish lurker, first time poster. I had the good fortune to pick up Bill 
Lindsay's Yves Gomez for my partner. I'm building that up to my partner's 
specs, and will post pics as available!

That super cool bike, alongside my longstanding admiration for Riv, has me 
wanting a Riv to call my own. Does anyone have a 57-59 cm Sam, Atlantis, or 
Appaloosa they're looking to unload? My PBH is 89. Size range is to account 
for variation in sizing over the years.

My top pick would be a 57 cm, recent, canti Sam. But really any of those 
bikes from most eras would fit the bill for me. I'd consider frame/fork or 
complete. 

Thanks!

Justin

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[RBW] Bike Travel Bag for Atlantis 62 cm

[Tom Conlon]

I'd like to get one of the new design Atlantis bikes, a 62cm version. I 
intend to travel with the big Atlantis by plane. Its axle-to-axle measure 
is 128cm.

I have a circa 2019 Evoc Bike Bag Pro that handles a MTB with a wheelbase 
of 124 cm, with wheels, seat and bars removed. That's the max bike size 
Evoc says this bag can handle.  

I am not sure if these big and long Rivendells are going to fit that Evoc 
bag, which I think is the largest they make. 

Does anyone have any experience with using a bike travel bag for one of the 
XL Rivendells?  Gotta find a travel bag solution or can't get a Riv bike. 
Any suggestions for bags/boxes would be much appreciated.  

Thanks

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[RBW] FS: Baggins Bag and 11-28 11-speed Cassette

[Suntour Jim]

Selling these to help fund a tire purchase. Pics available upon request 
(having trouble with Flickr right now). Please contact off-list with 
inquiries/offers. Thanks in advance!

Jim Bailey in Knoxville, TN

Classic Rivendell Baggins Candy Bar Bag. Used. Made by Duluth Pack of waxed 
cotton and nicely patina'd. Leather treated with Proofide. Asking $40 plus 
USPS Priority shipping.

Sunrace RX11 11 speed cassette. New!  11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-25-28 
cogs, with alloy carrier for largest 3. Clever 11t and 12t cogs make this 
usable as either 10 or 11 speed cassette. Asking $40 plus USPS Priority 
shipping.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Hugo Halder]

Hey all- reopening this thread. Any suggestions with regards to kickstand
length/lean angle on a larger wheel base bike (like the Platypus or
Atlantis)? I finally ditched the double kickstand, and popped on a Flex,
which is adjustable. Letting the bike lean more (smaller angle when
measured to the ground) feels more stable, but I am also concerned that I
am stressing the kickstand plate.

Is there a good rule of thumb here, or am I over-thinking it?

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 5:23 AM Emily Guise  wrote:

> I've had the Pletscher double-legged kickstand on my 60cm Platy since day
> 1 and it's been great at keeping the bike stable; would definitely
> recommend it.
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 8:20:37 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Good luck - spend the $ on the Rene Hearse whatever route you chose for a
>> build. They really are a lovely smooth tire & run beautifully comfortable
>> at around 45psi even on the horrendous potholed streets in my neighborhood.
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>>
>>> It may be a tough sell as opposed to continued tinkering with the Treks
>>> setup, but maybe, just maybe I can convince her to try the Riv.
>>>
>>> Roberta, I too, believe that the Platy will be a little heavier but with
>>> a lighter build, it would fit her needs nicely.  She is strictly a bike
>>> path/rail-trail rider and It would be "rolling weight", and a comfy ride.
>>> If we are ever out your way, I would love for her to take you up on a test
>>> ride.  Future Riv Sister??
>>>
>>> Joe...Originally my Sam was racked and bagged up for touring that it
>>> wasn't really meant for.  The Atlantis (62 MUSA) has since taken that roll,
>>> and the Sam is on a diet, loosing the heavy back rack, basket, and soon the
>>> wheelset and tires.  Then, I believe, it will be similar weight-wise to a
>>> Platypus build that she would ride.
>>>
>>> Phillip...much appreciated points on weight saving choices as opposed to
>>> a standard Riv build.  If this quest goes forward, I'll definitely refer to
>>> these.  She rides with a Ortlieb handlebar bag and a small under seat bag
>>> for repair needs...that's it.  ( I have to carry anything else, like
>>> jackets and spare water bottles in a pannier)
>>>
>>>
>>> Rusty Click
>>> Pgh, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:57:38 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yes, a Platy should be on the lighter side, remember it's derived from
 the Cheviot which was kind of a droptube Hillborne road bike with road
 brakes. Grant changed the brakes and a couple frame details, but it still
 should be closer to Hillborne and Homer than the touring/fire roads
 category covered by Atlantis and Appaloosa.


 On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I don't mind a heavy-ish bike (I do own Rivendells, after all), but it
> can be too heavy for me to lift onto a bike rack or over a log.  I never
> weighed my Platy, but I built it up with lightish parts--Brevet rims, some
> kind of Gravel King tires run tubeless, 1x with Garbaruk cassette (they
> remove unneeded metal), SKS fenders and lighter Axiom rack.  One light
> nylon bag.   I did spend "poundage" by installing a Brooks B68 and
> Greenfield kickstand.   I can lift it, but it is heavier than my more bare
> AHomerHilsen.
>
> The *ride*, though, is light--light and breezy.  My old "lightened
> up" Appaloosa probably weighed about the same, and it rode great, but not
> the light and breezy ride of the Platy.
>
> If you're ever on the eastern side of the state, I'm in Philadelphia
> and wouldn't mind letting your wife test my 55cm Platy.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>>
>> Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see
>> pictures, especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly 
>> what
>> my wife describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to
>> replace the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she
>> doesn't want that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and
>> Sam Hillborne builds onto the Platy.
>>
>> Rusty C.
>> Pgh, PA
>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some
>>> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just
>>> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Hugo.

 I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had
 a stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to 
 the
 rear axle.  

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Brendan McLaughlin]

Hello Minh and the rest of the gang!

I'm in South Slope with a Clem H and would love to meet up for a ride some 
time! I'm out of town 6/18 and 6/19 but would love to do a ride on another 
weekend this Summer. Thanks for getting this going!

-Brendan

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:57:55 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:

> oof Justin, good catch.  Saturday is out for me too, but i could do Sunday 
> and prefer on the early-ish side, hopefull that leaves things open enough 
> for other activities later in the day.  I'll leave that option up for 
> further discussion over the next week or so and we can try and lock it in 
> next week? 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:19:06 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> Just realized that Sunday is Father's Day, so probably no go for me 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a 
>>> long shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
>>> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, music 
>>> performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
>>> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to their 
>>> frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>>
 Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I 
 can make it.

 On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>
> Patch
> E. Wburg
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you 
>> guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai. 
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 
>>> <—ft. Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti 
>>> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able 
>>> to do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much 
>>> to 
>>> see out there, I would understand if that were too late a start
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did 
 that ride!
 Alan

 Sent from my iPhone

>>>
 On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:

 hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 
 18th-19th, so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else 
 around 
 want to join?  Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or 
 other beach food.   could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have 
 the 
 day off!



 On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be 
> willing to go higher depending on the space, how many other people 
> join, 
> etc. 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, 
>> mentioned above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't 
>> thought 
>> about.
>> This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have 
>> something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how 
>> much 
>> they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
>> limiting 
>> the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no 
>> obligations at 
>> all.
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>
>>> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base 
>>> feel that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love 
 that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
 various 
 eras.
 To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental 
 space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming 
 overrun with 
 stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy 
 access via 
 bike. I'm envisioning a 

[RBW] Bars and more bars...

[John Moore]

In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new
Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of
serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly
due to changes in what I want a bike to do.

For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on
gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY
state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like.

I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine.
Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front
derailleur, etc.

Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies,
may want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring
through Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very
accustomed to drop bars.

So...

Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag.
Don't want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but
not as many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely
flip most of these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks
interesting but unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of
Atlantis.

Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better
then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which
seems to be the case with Pauls.

Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me
a hand. Appreciate any and all replies.

- John

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[RBW] Re: Free for postage: cheap (but nice) "Tifosi" sunglasses

[Patrick Moore]

I will add that, after owning Rudy Projects and Bolles and other Hi End
cycling shades, I cannot say that these are inferior in performance to
those.

FWIW.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 4:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> A resounding silence from the iBoblist in response to this my more than
> generous offer, so I'm picking up my toys and going home. Humph.
>
> These cost me only $25 so I bought 5 different models including (for
> reason I forget) 2 of this model. I'll keep 4 and give this away.
>
> If anyone on the RBW list wants these, he/she/neuter/etc. is welcome to
> them, with the following conditions:
>
> 1. Please take only if you will use.
>
> 2. Please be patient about shipping.
>
> 3. No case.
>
> In case it matters, you can call these "cycling" glasses since I bought
> them at a bike shop.
>
> Patrick Moore, happily annoying the unco guid, in ABQ, NM
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Road Custom For Trade (or Sale)

[Robert Dowtin]

Hey there everyone! I have spoken to a few people about some possible 
interest but nothing really substantial. The original owner of the Road 
Custom reached out to me, which was super cool. Turns out it was built 
custom but was simply a size 58 Road Standard that was a normal Riv model 
at that time. I have been able to squeeze 35mm Schwalbe g one all road in 
there, btw.
I think I am ready to just sell the frames by themselves, but would still 
prefer to move them whole of course. Also, I would really prefer limiting 
shipping and am willing to meet within reasonable distance, I am in the 
Southern Midwest. Everything is kinda far from everything, I get that. So, 
with that. If there is still interest in the frames, I think Bill Lindsay 
was interested and I haven't gotten back to him yet so I will do that asap, 
then everyone after him? Thanks!

Cheers

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:47:03 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> Well, after about a 16 month, torrid, love affair and a good amount of 
> hemming and hawing, I think I need to part with this Riv Custom Road bike 
> and my Quickbeam. They are both available for trade.
>
> Photos of Bikes Here 
>
> *Components and specifics of Road:*
> Frame built by Joe Stark Paint by Joe Bell Feb 1999 
> VO Drillium 48/36 172.5 Crank
> SunTour Cyclone shiny Deraileur (Saw somewhere it's still the lightest 
> modern deraileur or some such nonsense?)
> 11/32 9sp Cassette
> Silver2 shifters
> Matching Lugged Setback Seat Post and Stem
> Black All Weather Brooks Saddle
> Paul Racer brakes in black with silver adapter
> Tektro black hoods levers
> Nitto Rando bars 46mm
> 36h Phil Wood wheels 100mm Front 135mm Rear (Rear Frame Dropouts 132.5mm, 
> btw)
> Panaracer Pasella 32mm Tires
>
> *Components and specifics of QuickBeam:*
> 2004 OG Green Panasonic Factory Brazed 
> Riv Double Crank 39/32 178mm
> 16t freewheel Yellow SS chain
> Nitto stem
> Lugged setback seatpost
> Brooks well loved saddle, maybe I should swap it out for something else? 
> We can talk.
> Paul Canti Brakes, Drillium brown hoods
> 32h Phil Wood hubs High Flange 100mm Front 120mm Track Hubs
> Sun CR18 Rear Rim and A Velocity A23 Black front
> Schwalbe g one all around 35mm rear tire, Specialized Trigger 38mm front
> I cracked the front CR18 rim a few months ago and gashed the tire. My LBS 
> gave me a deal on a Velocity A23 they had sitting in their rafters. So I 
> built it back up and put on a tire I had laying around. They don't match, 
> and to some that is sightly.
>
> I'm looking for, pretty sure at least, an *Appaloosa, Atlantis, Hunq, 
> Platy, Cheviot, Clem L, Gus/Sus, in the 57-59mm range.* Let me know what 
> you've got!? I'd also consider a Crust Evasion, Bombora...
> I'm happy to assist in coordinating and splitting the cost of shipping. 
>
> I am interested in trading or a combo of trade and cash, (I guess I'm open 
> to offers of purchase but think it sure would be neat to work out a deal 
> with someone looking for some rad road oriented bikes?) I am looking for 
> something fair and even as possible for all parties but could very well be 
> open to a 2 for 1 swap for the right bike. What I am looking for I think is 
> a swept back fatter tired geared Riv, I need less reach, more upright, 
> geared for big climbs and dodging chunky dirt and rock. 
>
> The Quickbeam is the most comfortable bike I had ever been on, until 
> recently, but alas the single (2) speed is just not enough for the Ozark 
> hills around me. Realistically neither bike has tires wide enough to deal 
> with the gravel roads around here.
> This custom road (custom for someone else in 1999) is a rocket ship but it 
> just stretches me out too much, I want to want to ride it, and I love it, 
> but I really love to stare at it more than I love to be on it, if I'm 
> really to be honest. 
>
> Above and below I have pasted links to the photo album with what I hope 
> are ample photos of both bikes. I will happily take more photos as well as 
> answer any questions, of course.  Everything will get a fresh bath before 
> packing to ship, btw. Along with geometry for the QB, highlighted is the 
> size 58 (57mm top tube). I have held up a tape measure best I can for 
> measurements of the Road bike, it is a pretty standard 58^2 nearly level, 
> if not completely level, top tube. I'm 6'1" 89pbh and the Road bike is a 
> little long for me, but I seem to be sensitive to long reach. 
>
> Photos of Bikes Here  
>
> I had discussed with some folks on this list about selling this bike a 
> month or so ago, I am not interested in breaking these bikes down and 
> parting them out or just selling the frames, as of now. If I get no 
> interest, then maybe I need to consider that route and buy the last 59 
> Susie frame on the site?
>
> It's a lot of info here but I am sure I have missed something so, please 
> feel free 

[RBW] Re: WTT: My 65cm BMC Monstercross for your Clem H

[Andrew Turner]

I'd also be open to other bikes with similar tire clearances, something 
that can fit a 55mm tire in. 
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 11:38:05 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I have a cool bike, you have a cool bike, but maybe we're looking for 
> something that the other person has... 
>
> This  is my 2012 Black 
> Mountain Cycles Monstercross. It's currently set up as a easy-riding, 
> spirited, S24O commuter, and I'm willing to part with as much as the 
> picture shows in exchange for a complete Clem H. Anything in the largest 2 
> sizes, ideally the big'n. 
>
> Full parts breakdown: 
> BMC 2012 Monstercross frameset
> Cane Creek headset
> Salsa polished seatpost bolt
> Nitto S65 seatpost 
> B17 Special saddle 
> Nitto black stainless headset spacers 
> Ritchey 35mm stem + 42mm Butano handlebar 
> Rene Herse leather bar wrap 
> TRP brake levers 
> Dia Compe DC980 black cantis 
> Astral Solsice 24h rims / bitex silver hubs 
> Soma Cazadero 42mm tires 
> VO snake fenders + Constructeur rear rack on the front 
> Chris King bottle cages 
> Deore XT triple crankset 
> Deore front / rear mech 
> 11 speed 11-32 cassette 
> Silver 2 bar end shifters 
> VP Vice pedals 
> Ruthworks wedge bag   

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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[Eric Daume]

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that lugged was a requirement. At least all of
these have a lugged fork!

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 2:58 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> For new, the Surly Cross Check is probably the closest competitor, but
> it's up to $700 for the frameset now, or $950 complete.
>
> The BMC Monstercross is like a CC with 0.1mm thinner tubing and worse
> cable routing. It's a few hundred more for the frameset.
>
> I've had both of these frame, and a QB, and put some comparison thoughts
> here:
>
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2019/05/rivendell-quickbeam-vs-surly-cross.html
>
> I may try a Handsome Devil next. Almost down to your price range ($550 or
> so), with a bit quicker handling than anything listed above.
>
> I've looked at a couple of used Le Tours, but the top tubes seemed very
> short on these. Maybe 57cm for a 25" frame? Anyway, something to check.
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:46 AM James  wrote:
>
>> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd
>> rivendell is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone
>> have any suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or rear
>> facing), fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 max??
>> I have my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause
>> is tire clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm PBH
>> for anyone between NC and RI)
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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[Eric Daume]

For new, the Surly Cross Check is probably the closest competitor, but it's
up to $700 for the frameset now, or $950 complete.

The BMC Monstercross is like a CC with 0.1mm thinner tubing and worse cable
routing. It's a few hundred more for the frameset.

I've had both of these frame, and a QB, and put some comparison thoughts
here:

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2019/05/rivendell-quickbeam-vs-surly-cross.html

I may try a Handsome Devil next. Almost down to your price range ($550 or
so), with a bit quicker handling than anything listed above.

I've looked at a couple of used Le Tours, but the top tubes seemed very
short on these. Maybe 57cm for a 25" frame? Anyway, something to check.

Eric

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:46 AM James  wrote:

> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd rivendell
> is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone have any
> suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or rear facing),
> fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 max??  I have
> my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause is tire
> clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm PBH for
> anyone between NC and RI)
>
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[RBW] Re: Free: Brass Housing Caps/Ferrules for Shifter Housing

[Evan E.]

That was fast. The housing caps are spoken for. Thanks.

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[RBW] Free: Brass Housing Caps/Ferrules for Shifter Housing

[Evan E.]

Do you need some brass housing caps (aka ferrules) for shifter housing? The 
caps that Rivendell sells but that are sold out right now? These:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/baggie-of-brass-ferrules-4mm-and-5mm

I have, extra, four new brass housing caps for 4mm shifter housing. If 
you'd like them for the price of zero, please reply off list and I'll pop 
them into a first-class and envelope and pray that they reach you. I pay 
postage.

Thanks,
Evan

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[RBW] WTT: My 65cm BMC Monstercross for your Clem H

[Andrew Turner]

I have a cool bike, you have a cool bike, but maybe we're looking for 
something that the other person has... 

This  is my 2012 Black 
Mountain Cycles Monstercross. It's currently set up as a easy-riding, 
spirited, S24O commuter, and I'm willing to part with as much as the 
picture shows in exchange for a complete Clem H. Anything in the largest 2 
sizes, ideally the big'n. 

Full parts breakdown: 
BMC 2012 Monstercross frameset
Cane Creek headset
Salsa polished seatpost bolt
Nitto S65 seatpost 
B17 Special saddle 
Nitto black stainless headset spacers 
Ritchey 35mm stem + 42mm Butano handlebar 
Rene Herse leather bar wrap 
TRP brake levers 
Dia Compe DC980 black cantis 
Astral Solsice 24h rims / bitex silver hubs 
Soma Cazadero 42mm tires 
VO snake fenders + Constructeur rear rack on the front 
Chris King bottle cages 
Deore XT triple crankset 
Deore front / rear mech 
11 speed 11-32 cassette 
Silver 2 bar end shifters 
VP Vice pedals 
Ruthworks wedge bag   

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[RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[James]

I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd rivendell 
is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone have any 
suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or rear facing), 
fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 max??  I have 
my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause is tire 
clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm PBH for 
anyone between NC and RI)

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[RBW] WTB: Replacement fork for 58cm Hillborne

[Eric Marth]

After enjoying a very weird wreck that ruined my front wheel and twisted my 
fork I'm looking for a fork for my Hillborne. It's a 58cm from 2009 
production run in Taiwan. 

If you have something you'd be willing to sell me please let me know at 
eric/marth/at/gmail/com (my address as it appears here). 

I called Will at Riv, they do have something available that would work but 
I wanted to see if anyone in the group had a fork to sell. 

Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Evan,

I could not agree more! :-)
This is the first thread I open everyday!

Edgar from Manila, Philippines
(Cheviot, Gus, Atlantis)

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:07:03 AM UTC+8 Evan E. wrote:

> Racing Platypus. Upright handlebars. Safety triangle on a belt. Thousand 
> helmet. 16-19mph. She is . . . the most interesting person on this list. 
>
>

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