[RBW] Re: wheels (135mm spaced rear with freehub) for a Sam Hillborne

[Joe Bernard]

Most everything is listed as sold out at Riv at the moment but it's always 
worth a call to Rich Lesnik there, he usually has a line on something 
that'll work on Rivbikes. If you get lucky it'll ship to Buffalo in time. 

Joe Bernard 
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:49:56 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an SH frame I built up but the wheels are crap. the only 135mm 
> spaced 700c rear I could find with fairly wide rim.
> and then a mismatched front.
> this bike deserves a decent wheelset.
> where do I go looking? what online stores/shops?
> there are very few 700c 135mm spaced wheelsets up here in Canada.
>
> Or if anyone has a decent set they would sell me (that would take an 8S 
> Shimano cassette) let me know.
> I'll be driving to Buffalo in the next few weeks to pick up some other 
> bike gear and so shipping to there would likely make the shipping cost 
> reasonable 
>
> Peter Stock
> Toronto Canada

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[RBW] Re: wheels (135mm spaced rear with freehub) for a Sam Hillborne

[Mark Allen]

I had Martin at Hoopdriver  build up a dynamo 
wheelset for my Sam in late 2019, and he did a fantastic job. Son Delux 
front / White Industries rear hub and H+Son Archetype rims. I'm also 
confident that the fine folks at Urbane Cyclist  
can set you up with something great as well.

Mark Allen
Toronto
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an SH frame I built up but the wheels are crap. the only 135mm 
> spaced 700c rear I could find with fairly wide rim.
> and then a mismatched front.
> this bike deserves a decent wheelset.
> where do I go looking? what online stores/shops?
> there are very few 700c 135mm spaced wheelsets up here in Canada.
>
> Or if anyone has a decent set they would sell me (that would take an 8S 
> Shimano cassette) let me know.
> I'll be driving to Buffalo in the next few weeks to pick up some other 
> bike gear and so shipping to there would likely make the shipping cost 
> reasonable 
>
> Peter Stock
> Toronto Canada

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[RBW] Rivendell Ride in SW Michigan

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Friends, Marc Irwin and I live in the Kalamazoo, MI area and are hoping 
to round up some fellow Rivendell riders in the area and organize a ride on 
the Kal Haven Trail. Date and time TBD. Will be a fun time with like-minded 
riders. 

Respond if you are interested!

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[RBW] Re: Mystery Sound and Broken Chain

[Garth]

Very good George ! 



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[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Will M]

Minh, I have a 62cm QB with the brazed-on mid-fork rack mounts and a Mark's 
Rack; everything you've described is exactly what I've encountered with a 
zip-tied Wald 139.  I moved the Wald 139 to a Riv/Nitto Two-Strut Top Rack 
on my 1990s Cannondale adventure touring bike (with fork rake/trail 
geometry for heavy front loads) and wow what a difference.  Case of beer? 
 No problem.  (Picture 
.)
  
That car battery and watermelon would be easy.  Not  so on the QB. I've 
tried a VO Porteur rack and it didn't improve the "shimmy feeling" you 
described.  My view (as others have commented) is that what you've got is 
about as good as it gets on a QB.  Handsome bike pictured there on Pier 
25!  --Will M, NYC 

On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 9:44:12 PM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> hope no one minds me adding a "data point" so late in the game, thread's 
> relevancy popped up on this monthly errand
>
> 4 miles round trip, unavoidable curb drops and potholes included, done 
> frequently for two years now with wobbles but no breaking/braking
>
> in the pic it's a smaller wald basket hose clamped on a nitto rack with 
> whateva steel m5 bolts to a surly lht fork, old tube bøngee pro move
> ~*~ 30lb dog food bag + lock + plastic bag to fill with goumies back there 
> ~*~
>
> whole bike is goofy af with the surly fork anyway so I don't notice the 
> noticeable rack flex :)
>
> also have a 650b rando bike bechested by fabiccio, dunno if the dog food 
> bag would fit in it but a 30lb dumbbell piloted by this slightly heavier 
> dumbbell could survive thanks to the big ol velcro straps on the bars
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:04:07 PM UTC-5 John P. in SF wrote:
>
>> Hi Minh
>>
>> First thing I would do is move the basket so that it rests against the 
>> tombstone of the rack. It looks from your picture that you have the basket 
>> an inch or two forward - this is problematic. Moving the basket to rest 
>> against the tombstone will minimize flex in your rack and also, in general, 
>> keeping the load in the basket close to the headtube helps to keep things 
>> stable. It may fix your problem overall.
>>
>> The basket does not need to be rigidly attached to the rack. I have often 
>> employed a used up road tube to tie the basket to the rack - tie a square 
>> knot in one corner, wrap the tube around the rack and the basket with a 
>> fair amount of tension on the tube, and then another square knot on the 
>> other end. A simple knot will suffice for the end also if you tuck the end 
>> of the tube between the basket and the rack to keep the knot from being 
>> undone. This is reliable and repeatable. I can pick up my bikes by the 
>> basket when I do this. Old tubes make nice tie downs, in my experience.
>>
>> Cheers, John P. in SF
>>
>> OT - if someone in the SF bay area wants to part with a Clem L 59 
>> frameset we may be able to strike a deal. plz reply off list.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 9:00:22 AM UTC-7 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Todd Ferguson]

Aaah sorry not to see this. I was tooling around the park from 11-Noon!  
Kai I saw you on your Hubbuhubbuh on Friday at Vanderbilt and Fulton at 
about 6pm. Gave a wave! I was on a RB-1 so a little bit in stealth mode. 
Brazing party sounds great!

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Late notice but a few folks are meeting at Grand Army Plaza at 1p today to 
> pedal around the park and then get tacos and beer. Meet behind the farmers 
> market near the entrance to the park. HMU - 347-325-2640 
> <(347)%20325-2640>. 
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:06 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No tandemming with Justin for Father's day = Bummer
>> Probably better as I'm an iffy captain at best... (Tandem is on the sale 
>> block anyhows (know anybody?))
>> And Hello Todd of Ditmas!
>> I still hope there can be a big ride, but Father's day has put a damper 
>> on my ability to step away from the fam for a few hours on Sunday. Father's 
>> day, and a huge slice through the tread and sidewall of my new 33's on the 
>> Ram, and the Rosco in pieces on the floor, and and and...  excuses I know.
>> I still want to have that brazing party in my yard, the one where we add 
>> weird bits to odd spots on your bikes while drinking beers and 
>> trampolining. 
>> Let's party!
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:57:50 PM UTC-4 Todd Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks-
>>>
>>> I'm Todd from Ditmas Park. I commute daily to midtown along Kent on my 
>>> Atlantis but would love to cruise around with like minded folks on some 
>>> weekend mornings. I did have the pleasure of bumping into Kai once on his 
>>> Mountain Mixte and riding down first avenue with him. Would love to meet 
>>> the rest of you!
>>>
>>> -Todd
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:54:25 PM UTC-4 Brendan McLaughlin wrote:
>>>
 Hello Minh and the rest of the gang!

 I'm in South Slope with a Clem H and would love to meet up for a ride 
 some time! I'm out of town 6/18 and 6/19 but would love to do a ride on 
 another weekend this Summer. Thanks for getting this going!

 -Brendan

 On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:57:55 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:

> oof Justin, good catch.  Saturday is out for me too, but i could do 
> Sunday and prefer on the early-ish side, hopefull that leaves things open 
> enough for other activities later in the day.  I'll leave that option up 
> for further discussion over the next week or so and we can try and lock 
> it 
> in next week? 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:19:06 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> Just realized that Sunday is Father's Day, so probably no go for 
>> me 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities 
>>> a long shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
>>> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger, 
>>> music performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
>>> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to 
>>> their frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>>
 Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if 
 I can make it.

 On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>
> Patch
> E. Wburg
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to 
>> you guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai. 
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 
>>> <—ft. Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti 
>>> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be 
>>> able to do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but 
>>> with so 
>>> much to see out there, I would understand if that were too late a 
>>> start
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did 
 that ride!
 Alan

 Sent from my iPhone

>>>
 On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:

 hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Ian A]

Just insulate the taillight connections with tape (or better heat-shrink) 
so that the connections don't make contact with each other or the frame. 
Then just connect the front light in the normal way and you are ready to go.

If you were running an incandescent bulb headlight, there could be a 
concern that the headlight could receive too much voltage with no taillight 
wired in. With modern LED headlights, this is not a concern.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:51:55 PM UTC-6 jinxed wrote:

> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving 
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more 
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2 
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some 
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no 
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will 
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have 
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so 
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That 
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the 
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the 
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the 
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked 
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the 
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any 
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in 
> silver?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Jon Dukeman]

Contact :
Peter White Bicycles.
Very "lighting" knowledgeable great customer service 
Peterwhitecycles.com

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 1:51 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in
> silver?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Minh]

i have an older supernova and mine, the wiring for the rear tailight is 
hardwired, and i can't see how you would disconnect it short of opening it 
up, which would also be a serious modification. i know you said no cutting, 
but if you cut off the wire and leave a fews inches you could undo it 
later.  other PITA is that my supernova also ONLY works with their tail 
light. 

but if cutting is out of the question, consider a different light.   FWIW, 
i recently bought a generic LED dynamo light from aliexpress for a 
different bike and for $30 its pretty competitive with more expensive ones, 
i've also owned an Edelux and a few B


On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-4 jinxed wrote:

> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving 
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more 
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2 
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some 
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no 
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will 
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have 
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so 
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That 
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the 
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the 
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the 
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked 
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the 
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any 
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in 
> silver?
>
>
>

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[RBW] wheels (135mm spaced rear with freehub) for a Sam Hillborne

[Peter Stock]

I have an SH frame I built up but the wheels are crap. the only 135mm 
spaced 700c rear I could find with fairly wide rim.
and then a mismatched front.
this bike deserves a decent wheelset.
where do I go looking? what online stores/shops?
there are very few 700c 135mm spaced wheelsets up here in Canada.

Or if anyone has a decent set they would sell me (that would take an 8S 
Shimano cassette) let me know.
I'll be driving to Buffalo in the next few weeks to pick up some other bike 
gear and so shipping to there would likely make the shipping cost 
reasonable 

Peter Stock
Toronto Canada

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[RBW] Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving 
electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more 
experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.

Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2 
pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some 
sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no 
considerations.

Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will 
primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have 
several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so 
I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That 
said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the 
rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the 
light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the 
front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked 
great.

Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the 
E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any 
recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in 
silver?


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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[JohnS]

James,

Currently at $500 on e-bay, 60cm SimpleOne... 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165534998129?hash=item268aa79e71:g:LAwAAOSwzytiqi8m

Good luck,
John

On Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 1:56:28 PM UTC-4 leifec...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brian,
> That Trek/Crust conversion sounds awesome. Please post some pictures if 
> you're able. Also, does the Spark fork offer clearance for 650b x 48mm, no 
> fender? I believe the listing says something like perfect for 38-42mm 
> tires. 
> Thanks,
> Leif in Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-5 brianmark...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently working on a 1983 Trek 640 fixed 650b conversion. I'm using 
>> the Crust Spark fork and Velocity Atlas rims, and 42mm Paselas. I had the 
>> Quickbeam in mind with this build, but the low trail fork kinda makes it 
>> not-Quickbeam-ish, but the canti bosses and rock mounts adds Riv-ish 
>> versatility. 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, sorry, I didn't see that lugged was a requirement. At least all of 
>>> these have a lugged fork!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 2:58 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 For new, the Surly Cross Check is probably the closest competitor, but 
 it's up to $700 for the frameset now, or $950 complete.

 The BMC Monstercross is like a CC with 0.1mm thinner tubing and worse 
 cable routing. It's a few hundred more for the frameset.

 I've had both of these frame, and a QB, and put some comparison 
 thoughts here:


 https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2019/05/rivendell-quickbeam-vs-surly-cross.html

 I may try a Handsome Devil next. Almost down to your price range ($550 
 or so), with a bit quicker handling than anything listed above.

 I've looked at a couple of used Le Tours, but the top tubes seemed very 
 short on these. Maybe 57cm for a 25" frame? Anyway, something to check.

 Eric

 On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:46 AM James  wrote:

> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd 
> rivendell is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone 
> have any suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or 
> rear 
> facing), fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 
> max??  
> I have my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause 
> is tire clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm 
> PBH 
> for anyone between NC and RI) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Patrick Moore]

Ryan and Garth: thank you. IOW, the answer to my question is "Yes."

I have already made a new "Favorites" link on my toolbar for this address.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Ryan]

If you go to groups.google.com 
...i.e. https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/eLrTqbEVRJ0 you are 
viewing the list on the web (google.groups.com is the URL) as opposed to 
clicking on the gmail client app and logging in ...the way you used to do 
it. Make sense?

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:38:35 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And I forgot to say, but really mean: thank you!
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 12:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Ya know Paul, you might just have shoved my ancient, doddering mind into 
>> the late 20th century. My default way to view gmail has been, is now, and 
>> was until this point to go to Google and click on Gmail and enter my log-in 
>> information. It never occurred to me that there was a web-way to view Gmail 
>> -- well, I know how to view the archives; perhaps that's the same thing; 
>> but trying it just now on one of the offending messages, yep, sure, the 
>> offending images docilely remained sized to fit a normal screen. Who'd'a 
>> thunk?
>>
>> Naive question: Is viewing the RBW list via groups.google.com what is 
>> meant by *viewing the list on the web* versus *via email*?
>>
>> Patrick "Now listen, I was accessing Lexis Nexis via dialup modem on a 
>> 64K PC in 1985, don't talk to me about technology" Moore, from back when 
>> sorting a 6K-person mailing list was something you left the computer on to 
>> do overnight," in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:56 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - 
>>> Settings - General - Images
>>> [image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
>>> It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to 
>>> groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.
>>>
>>> I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent 
>>> the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also. 
>>>
>>> Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using 
>>> email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure 
>>> Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their 
>>> internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need 
>>> it for (email based notification and support), but they're being 
>>> purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking 
>>> it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike 
>>> photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize 
>>> their images before posting or add them as attachments.
>>>
>>> I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social 
>>> network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this 
>>> point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.

 [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]



 On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:

> You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify, 
> what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in 
> which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group 
> via that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view 
> any other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a 
> web 
> browser ?   
>
> If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of 
> what you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a 
> screenshot of the mesages with the photos ? 
>
> I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea 
> what it appears as !  
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Patrick Moore]

And I forgot to say, but really mean: thank you!

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 12:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ya know Paul, you might just have shoved my ancient, doddering mind into
> the late 20th century. My default way to view gmail has been, is now, and
> was until this point to go to Google and click on Gmail and enter my log-in
> information. It never occurred to me that there was a web-way to view Gmail
> -- well, I know how to view the archives; perhaps that's the same thing;
> but trying it just now on one of the offending messages, yep, sure, the
> offending images docilely remained sized to fit a normal screen. Who'd'a
> thunk?
>
> Naive question: Is viewing the RBW list via groups.google.com what is
> meant by *viewing the list on the web* versus *via email*?
>
> Patrick "Now listen, I was accessing Lexis Nexis via dialup modem on a 64K
> PC in 1985, don't talk to me about technology" Moore, from back when
> sorting a 6K-person mailing list was something you left the computer on to
> do overnight," in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:56 AM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - Settings
>> - General - Images
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
>> It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to
>> groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.
>>
>> I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent
>> the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also.
>>
>> Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using
>> email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure
>> Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their
>> internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need
>> it for (email based notification and support), but they're being
>> purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking
>> it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike
>> photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize
>> their images before posting or add them as attachments.
>>
>> I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social
>> network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this
>> point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify,
 what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in
 which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group via
 that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view any
 other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a web
 browser ?

 If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of what
 you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a screenshot
 of the mesages with the photos ?

 I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea
 what it appears as !




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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

[Patrick Moore]

Ya know Paul, you might just have shoved my ancient, doddering mind into
the late 20th century. My default way to view gmail has been, is now, and
was until this point to go to Google and click on Gmail and enter my log-in
information. It never occurred to me that there was a web-way to view Gmail
-- well, I know how to view the archives; perhaps that's the same thing;
but trying it just now on one of the offending messages, yep, sure, the
offending images docilely remained sized to fit a normal screen. Who'd'a
thunk?

Naive question: Is viewing the RBW list via groups.google.com what is meant
by *viewing the list on the web* versus *via email*?

Patrick "Now listen, I was accessing Lexis Nexis via dialup modem on a 64K
PC in 1985, don't talk to me about technology" Moore, from back when
sorting a 6K-person mailing list was something you left the computer on to
do overnight," in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:56 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - Settings
> - General - Images
> [image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
> It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to
> groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.
>
> I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent
> the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also.
>
> Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using
> email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure
> Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their
> internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need
> it for (email based notification and support), but they're being
> purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking
> it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike
> photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize
> their images before posting or add them as attachments.
>
> I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social
> network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this
> point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify,
>>> what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in
>>> which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group via
>>> that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view any
>>> other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a web
>>> browser ?
>>>
>>> If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of what
>>> you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a screenshot
>>> of the mesages with the photos ?
>>>
>>> I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea
>>> what it appears as !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Mystery Sound and Broken Chain

[George Schick]

Resurrecting this thread briefly to announce that I found the problem (at 
least I'm pretty sure anyway).  After replacing  the broken chain with a 
new one not only did the same intermittent problem still occur, but I also 
noticed that the chain was having problems when  being shifted onto the 
next to the smallest cog while it was on the inner chain ring.  That should 
never be.  So, after doing some remedial online research on Sheldon's 
website I came across a link for determining proper chain lengths.  
Followed the instructions and discovered that my chain was too short.  I 
had removed enough links on the new one to match the broken one, which was 
why the problem still existed.  Added a link and everything seems to be 
running smoothly.  I feel pretty embarrassed.  After all these years of 
working on bikes I should have known to check that.


On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:25:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Thanks Bill - I believe that you and Garth both point to the free hub body 
> correctly.  I'll take a look at that, though if the pawl's in the free hub 
> body are sticking (apparently common on some manf's of these) then one 
> would expect the pawls not to be engaging the ratchet teeth properly, 
> therefore a slipping free hub, not a false engaging of a gear and a 
> subsequent loud crunching sound.  I'll check the tightness of the bolt that 
> holds the free hub body onto the hub to see if that might be loose.  BTW, 
> the cassette on this hub is the second one since purchasing the bike.  I 
> did not like the gear combination on the one that came with the bike.  But, 
> of course, the free hub body onto which it was installed is the original.
>
> Otherwise, thanks to all y'all who chimed in with recommendations about 
> what might be wrong.  That's what I like about this blog site - everyone 
> chips in to help out everyone else who posts with a problem.
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:32:42 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OK, well if there has been something wrong with your bike's set-up and 
>> you've used it for 18 years with that wrong set-up, then it's probably a 
>> pretty good bet that whatever is set up wrong will need to be replaced by 
>> now.  If you think that the wonky part contributed to a chain breakage then 
>> at minimum you should replace your cassette.  If you believe you've 
>> eliminated the BB, crankset, pedals and headset, then that leaves the rear 
>> wheel.  The last maintenance checklist item that has not been addressed in 
>> this thread is the bolt that holds the freehub body onto the rear hub.  
>> You'd snug that up with a 10mm allen key next time your rear axle is out.  
>> I imagine that could make a noise under hard pedaling if it was loose.  
>>
>> I don't recall if you've said so, but are you friction shifting or index 
>> shifting?  Barcons, or downtube, or brifter?  
>>
>> I'd still recommend riding the bike with a different rear wheel.  130mm 
>> OLD rear wheels with 9-speed cassettes are totally common.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - oh, there has definitely been something going on all these years 
>>> that's just not right vs. a perceived but unrealized perfection associated 
>>> with a high-end bike.  The reason why I'm assuming that the 
>>> crunching/grinding had to do with the chain breakage is because it was 
>>> starting to make the noise when the chain snapped.  If I could just get it 
>>> to happen when I have it on the work stand I could then see what's going on 
>>> between the chain and the rear cogs or the chain ring.  'Course, part (or 
>>> maybe even most) of the reason why it won't happen on the work stand is 
>>> because nothing on the drive train is under a load.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:14:22 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 George

 Getting back to the problem you are trying to solve:  Does your 
 instinct tell you that there's something broken or incorrect, and that 
 faulty condition is warning you with sound?  -OR- is this sound more of 
 something you just notice.  You feel an expensive bike should be silent 
 and 
 sometimes you hear something, and you'd prefer to hear nothing from your 
 expensive bike?  

 Do you have an instinct on this?  There are definitely a lot of 
 cyclists of a certain age who recall having ridden a silent bicycle back 
 in 
 the day, who now dislike anything newer or more modern on the grounds that 
 it's no longer silent.  Back in the eearly to mid 1990s I was largely a 
 Campy-guy, purely on the grounds that a Campy drivetrain in that era (8sp 
 ergo) was silent while pedaling.  Shimano definitely shifted better but 
 Shimano was not as silent "in gear" as Campy was.  The pedaling feedback 
 into my feet was one of fluidity.  With Shimano, I felt that the sound and 
 the feel would constantly remind me I was operating a chain-drive 

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Justin Kennedy]

Late notice but a few folks are meeting at Grand Army Plaza at 1p today to
pedal around the park and then get tacos and beer. Meet behind the farmers
market near the entrance to the park. HMU - 347-325-2640.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:06 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No tandemming with Justin for Father's day = Bummer
> Probably better as I'm an iffy captain at best... (Tandem is on the sale
> block anyhows (know anybody?))
> And Hello Todd of Ditmas!
> I still hope there can be a big ride, but Father's day has put a damper on
> my ability to step away from the fam for a few hours on Sunday. Father's
> day, and a huge slice through the tread and sidewall of my new 33's on the
> Ram, and the Rosco in pieces on the floor, and and and...  excuses I know.
> I still want to have that brazing party in my yard, the one where we add
> weird bits to odd spots on your bikes while drinking beers and
> trampolining.
> Let's party!
> -Kai
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:57:50 PM UTC-4 Todd Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Hi folks-
>>
>> I'm Todd from Ditmas Park. I commute daily to midtown along Kent on my
>> Atlantis but would love to cruise around with like minded folks on some
>> weekend mornings. I did have the pleasure of bumping into Kai once on his
>> Mountain Mixte and riding down first avenue with him. Would love to meet
>> the rest of you!
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:54:25 PM UTC-4 Brendan McLaughlin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Minh and the rest of the gang!
>>>
>>> I'm in South Slope with a Clem H and would love to meet up for a ride
>>> some time! I'm out of town 6/18 and 6/19 but would love to do a ride on
>>> another weekend this Summer. Thanks for getting this going!
>>>
>>> -Brendan
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:57:55 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>>
 oof Justin, good catch.  Saturday is out for me too, but i could do
 Sunday and prefer on the early-ish side, hopefull that leaves things open
 enough for other activities later in the day.  I'll leave that option up
 for further discussion over the next week or so and we can try and lock it
 in next week?


 On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 1:19:06 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> Just realized that Sunday is Father's Day, so probably no go for
> me
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:48 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With kids in the mix, I always consider planning grownup activities a
>> long shot, so I'm not to be planned around...
>> But that Saturday has become a no go (skate date with my younger,
>> music performance for my older). Sunday is tentatively wide open though!
>> aside from ride planning, if anyone wants some braze-ons cooked to
>> their frames, I'm looking for some practice (I've even got braze-ons!)
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:47:33 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>>> Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if
>>> I can make it.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!

 Patch
 E. Wburg

 On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
 (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to
> you guys. Later preferable for me too, Kai.
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7
>> <—ft. Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti
>> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be
>> able to do a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with 
>> so
>> much to see out there, I would understand if that were too late a 
>> start
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did
>>> that ride!
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:
>>>
>>> hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend
>>> 18th-19th, so proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else 
>>> around
>>> want to join?  Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos 
>>> or
>>> other beach food.   could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you 
>>> have the
>>> day off!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 LIC would work for me. $100 per month per