Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride in SW Michigan

[Joe Bernard]

Everybody have fun tomorrow! Think of me and say to each other "Joe is 
super jealous right now!" 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:56:58 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Looks like a super ride. I hope everyone who is planning on going does. 
> It’s so wonderful meeting the people you’ve been “chatting with” all these 
> years. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Alright, looks like a good group of about 10 for our ride on Saturday. 
>> I’ve got a table booked at the brewery for post-ride socializing. We very 
>> much look forward to meeting you and seeing your bikes on Saturday.
>>
>> See you at 10, at the trailhead!
>> Leah and Marc
>>
>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Still hoping to make it. Count me in with 85% probability, pending some 
>>> work deadlines and timely arrival of replacement headset to be installed on 
>>> the Rivendell Quickbeam that is to be ridden in said event. 
>>>
>>> - Max "expectation value" in A2
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello, Friends. One week until our SW Michigan Riv Ride! I’d like to 
 get a headcount so we can reserve tables at the brewery, so please respond 
 here and let Marc and I know if you will be joining us. Please reply here 
 or PM me if you’d like to come. And tell us what Riv you’ll be planning to 
 ride! 

 Once again, the details:

 Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule for 
 July 30.

 Time: 10 am Eastern time

 Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009

 Distance: 35 mi, total. 

 The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through a 
 wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from Kalamazoo 
 to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will refresh 
 ourselves in the town’s quaint little park; you can bring refreshments or 
 buy them at the little country store across from the park. From there we 
 will head back to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 42, a local brewery 
 that has a patio so we can eye the bikes and enjoy a meal. 

 The address for Latitude 42 is: 
 6101 W Main St 
 Kalamazoo, MI 49009 

 Hope to see you there! Message here with questions.
 Leah and Marc

 On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I was just on the Kal-Haven Thursday and it was in great shape.   38's 
> are no problem at all, people ride it on 28-32's all the time.
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:24:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Thanks Robert! Nothing like up to the minute intel.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC-4 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just road the Kal-Haven trail on a non-Riv bike which has 700c X 
>>> 38s and is was just fine. The surface is very nice all the way through 
>>> to 
>>> South Haven.
>>> Best,
>>> Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:07 PM Tom Palmer  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Leah and Marc,
 Thanks for organizing this, I am looking forward to it.
 What size tires are needed for this trail? My skinnies are 38mm and 
 normal dirt road in sandy West Michigan are 48mm.
 Make it a great day,
 Tom

 On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:03:36 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Don't forget we are in the eastern time zone.
>
> Marc
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Alright, will have to put it on the calendar!
>>
>> - Max "drive 3-4 hours to bike 2-3 hours - that's a pretty decent 
>> espresso-like ratio" in A2 
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:07:59 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Rivendell Ride on the KalHaven Trail! 
>>>
>>> Brought to you by: the Lone Wolf and the Platypus Rider, in 
>>> Kalamazoo, Michigan.
>>>
>>> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule 
>>> for July 30.
>>>
>>> Time: 10 am 
>>>
>>> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Distance: 35 mi, total. 
>>>
>>> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through 
>>> a wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from 
>>> Kalamazoo to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we 
>>> will 

[RBW] Re: 56+ before 55!

[Valerie Yates]

Beautiful! Bike, route, shirt, and determination are all fabulous. Thanks 
for sharing your story. I admire your determination. Hope this is the year 
of fun rides and no hospitals. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:41:05 PM UTC-6 Drew Saunders wrote:

> For the past few years, I've tried to ride my age or more on or about my 
> birthday (this Sunday, the 17th, a.k.a. "World Emoji Day!"). Although not 
> as impressive as crossing the country, it was still a good ride today.
>
> In 2017, instead of riding 50+ miles for my 50th birthday, I spent my 
> birthday in the hospital due to a bad reaction to Xeloda, my first 
> chemotherapy drug. Oh, did I mention that in April of 2017 I found out that 
> I had adenocarcinoma of the descending colon? I had the colectomy at the 
> end of May, and started chemo at the end of June (and re-started it at the 
> end of July with a different drug). That'll put a damper in your riding 
> plans any day! 
>
> I was able to do a 53 mile ride before turning 51 in 2018, and a 55 mile 
> ride before turning 52 in 2019. I found my fitness dropping unexpectedly in 
> 2020, but eventually figured out that it was due to working from home and 
> no longer walking or biking to work (which is only 2 miles each way, but it 
> adds up). I added a neighborhood walk to my morning routine and improved my 
> fitness, but wasn't able to get in a 53+ mile ride for 2020. Then, in 
> November 2020 (Friday the 13th, of course) I found out that my cancer had 
> returned in a single tumor in my liver. That (along with 1/4 of my liver) 
> was removed at the end of December.
>
> 2021 was the year of regrowing my liver, so no long ride that July! I 
> still got in some medium rides, but didn't make 54KM, much less 54 miles 
> for any of them.
>
> I set out this morning to do a variation on the same 53 and 55 mile ride I 
> had done in 2018 and 2019, just with a little more at each end. For the 
> locals, this is Cañada road to the end, then meander through Woodside, 
> Portola Valley and Los Altos Hills, then Foothill Expressway/Steven's 
> Canyon Road and turn around at the Lakeshore Picnic Area then home. It 
> totaled 56.62 miles! Eventually, I'll have to switch to kilometers.
>
> "Pics or it didn't happen":
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-18-35_568.jpg]
> The turnaround at Cañada Road and Hwy 92 (uppermost part of Lower Crystal 
> Springs reservoir)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-27-30_001.jpg]
> The famous Pulgas Water Temple from the fence (it looks better up close)
> [image: 2022-07-15_09-54-51_607.jpg]
> The Woodside Store, a fine place to stop for a snack and refill the 
> bottles. The glowing blue stuff is Gatorade. That's a very early (Duluth 
> patch) "banana bag" in the back and a "candy bar bag" in the front.[image: 
> 2022-07-15_11-38-41_948.jpg]
> Last snack stop at Lakeshore Picnic Area selfie. Yes, Oscar is a 
> Retrogrouch! His trash can is STEEL, not plastic!
>
> Drew
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

The only valid reason I see is extremely Rivendellian: I'm a notorious 
saddle height fiddler and the rear facing binder bolt interferes with my 
Medium SaddleSack when I stop to adjust it. I'd love to have that bolt on 
the front side. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I prefer V brakes but like cantis as well. I see no valid reason to flip 
> that seat clamp other than to be contrarian. 
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:45:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> V-brakes rule! I hope I never fiddle with another cable hanger and its 
>> corresponding and maddening straddle cable ever again. 
>>
>> Also my  in my answer to Leah now strikes me as looking weirdly 
>> condescending. Not my intention, Leah! 
>>
>> Joe "unintentional" Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. 
>>> That's why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping 
>>> and/or missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you 
>>> could get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just 
>>> eyeballing it not really. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
>>> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
>>> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
>>> bike I ride ;-). 
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 

 On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
> tell me from where to where.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone 
>> technology things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the 
>> Rosco Platy any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd 
>> at 
>> least see what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple 
>> as 
>> it is a fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>>
>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>>
>> HTA 69.5d
>> STA 72d
>> Effective TT 652mm
>> Stack 666mm  
>> Reach 430mm
>> Chainstay 540mm
>> Rake 67mm
>> Front Center 726mm
>> Drop 80mm 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Johnny Alien]

I prefer V brakes but like cantis as well. I see no valid reason to flip 
that seat clamp other than to be contrarian. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:45:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> V-brakes rule! I hope I never fiddle with another cable hanger and its 
> corresponding and maddening straddle cable ever again. 
>
> Also my  in my answer to Leah now strikes me as looking weirdly 
> condescending. Not my intention, Leah! 
>
> Joe "unintentional" Bernard 
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. 
>> That's why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping 
>> and/or missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you 
>> could get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just 
>> eyeballing it not really. 
>>
>>
>> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
>> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
>> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
>> bike I ride ;-). 
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
 tell me from where to where.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
 toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️



 On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
>
> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone 
> technology things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the 
> Rosco Platy any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd 
> at 
> least see what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple 
> as 
> it is a fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>
> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>
> HTA 69.5d
> STA 72d
> Effective TT 652mm
> Stack 666mm  
> Reach 430mm
> Chainstay 540mm
> Rake 67mm
> Front Center 726mm
> Drop 80mm 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

V-brakes rule! I hope I never fiddle with another cable hanger and its 
corresponding and maddening straddle cable ever again. 

Also my  in my answer to Leah now strikes me as looking weirdly 
condescending. Not my intention, Leah! 

Joe "unintentional" Bernard 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. That's 
> why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping and/or 
> missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you could 
> get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just eyeballing 
> it not really. 
>
>
> I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
> reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
> "great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
> bike I ride ;-). 
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
>>> tell me from where to where.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
>>> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>


 I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
 things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
 any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
 what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
 fine alternative to the common production colors. 

 If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 

 HTA 69.5d
 STA 72d
 Effective TT 652mm
 Stack 666mm  
 Reach 430mm
 Chainstay 540mm
 Rake 67mm
 Front Center 726mm
 Drop 80mm 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Garth]

The ETT measurement is done so horizontally, as in perfectly level. That's 
why it's called theoretical as it is referring to bikes with sloping and/or 
missing top tubes(like a mixte). If you had a carpenters level you could 
get it "fairly" accurate for conversational purposes, but just eyeballing 
it not really. 


I was seriously considering getting a purple one but then I noticed the 
reverso seat clamp. No cantilever cable hanger = no deal. V-brakes are 
"great"  (me making funny faces)  as long as they're not on any 
bike I ride ;-). 
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you 
>> tell me from where to where.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
>> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
>>> things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
>>> any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
>>> what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
>>> fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>>>
>>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>>>
>>> HTA 69.5d
>>> STA 72d
>>> Effective TT 652mm
>>> Stack 666mm  
>>> Reach 430mm
>>> Chainstay 540mm
>>> Rake 67mm
>>> Front Center 726mm
>>> Drop 80mm 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

Straight across from center of seatpost to center of headtube 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you tell 
> me from where to where.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective 
> toptube is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
>> things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
>> any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
>> what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
>> fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>>
>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>>
>> HTA 69.5d
>> STA 72d
>> Effective TT 652mm
>> Stack 666mm  
>> Reach 430mm
>> Chainstay 540mm
>> Rake 67mm
>> Front Center 726mm
>> Drop 80mm 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Leah Peterson]

Shoot, Joe, I don’t remember either! I suppose I could measure if you tell me 
from where to where.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective toptube 
> is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️
> 
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
>> things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
>> any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
>> what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
>> fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>> 
>> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>> 
>> HTA 69.5d
>> STA 72d
>> Effective TT 652mm
>> Stack 666mm  
>> Reach 430mm
>> Chainstay 540mm
>> Rake 67mm
>> Front Center 726mm
>> Drop 80mm 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Abe Gardner]

*Tires: *I've got a few hundred miles on my protocharlie ("He may ride
forever 'neath the streets of Boston He's the man who never returned, Poor
Charlie!") and, dare I tempt the flat tire deities, no flats so far. Riding
Schwalbe G-one Allround 700x50mm. Though I do run tubeless sealant in the
tubes. I'd love to try it with 700C x 48 Hatcher Pass tires one day, but
loads of miles/rubber left on the G-one's for now.
*Gravel*: Been into a fair bit of gravel but nothing anyone would call
single track. Not much flex, probably the same as my 56cm double top tube
Sam Hillborne. I'm closer to 250 pounds and still, not flex worries.
Certainly more flexy than my Cheviot, much less flexy than the rosco baby
bike though (with it's unusual geometry it's quite flexy, especially with a
child seat on the back).
*Pedal strikes*: I have had a few pedal scrapes as I lean into sharp, low
speed turns on pavement. Nearly identical to my Sam in this regard.
*Bars*: I'm also on the fence about swapping from Soma Portola (wide,
flared drop bars) to Albatross bars (probably would flip them upside down
to feel more like Albastash bars, just better for my wrists). I'd like to
run regular V-brakes as the short arm v-brakes (85mm) need a bit too fine
an adjustment to keep from rubbing the rims without getting a squishy feel
in the brake levers. That said, those short v-brakes are REALLY strong
(loads of mechanical advantage). Very interested to switch to DRX v-brakes
though. All I need is the time to ride and wrench plus ...
Really like to see you bars up so high - the drops are about level with the
saddle, which seems like the sweet spot to me.

Great pics!
Abe


On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 2:13 PM maxcr  wrote:

> Here are a few pics of a quick ride down to the Boston Harbor on my Gallop
> yesterday (Charlie H Gallop decals, Rosco Bubbe headbadge with canti studs).
>
> I still plan to do a couple of adjustments on it. Not sure if I'll switch
> handlebars to Albatross or just re-wrap my handlebars, I did a terrible job
> the first time around. All I can say is that I'm really digging this bike.
>
> Also, not sure if the other proto owners have had similar issues, but I
> went for a 13m ride the other day and found myself riding in rougher
> terrain than expected... the Gallop handled it very well but two things
> happened: I hit my pedal on rocks twice (must be that this is meant to be a
> road bike with a lower bb?) and I felt the frame flexing more than I
> expected (I had the big saddlebag but overall weight including the rider
> was under 200lb).
>
> Oh and I got home with low pressure on my rear tire, then woke up to a
> flat - lucky I made it home! Maybe I need to stick to pavement on this one?
> Or maybe the Shikoros (42) aren't as strong as I thought. I have some Cavas
> that I could try on instead but I thought those would be even more prone to
> flats. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 11:57:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hah, thanks Brendon, I hope it doesn't age this quickly from here on
>> out!  It has just about 900 km on it, usually my bikes still look pretty
>> new at that mileage but this one was definitely decorated for daily use and
>> also highly personalized as theft deterrent. Originally my plan was to make
>> it blend into the background, but clearly went a different route!
>>
>> On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 22:30:34 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I love that you have only had this bike for ~3 months and it already
>>> looks like it has *lived*.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

Dagnabbit, now I wish I could remember what Leah said the effective toptube 
is on her 55. Hey Leah! ‍♂️

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
>
> I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
> things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
> any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
> what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
> fine alternative to the common production colors. 
>
> If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 
>
> HTA 69.5d
> STA 72d
> Effective TT 652mm
> Stack 666mm  
> Reach 430mm
> Chainstay 540mm
> Rake 67mm
> Front Center 726mm
> Drop 80mm 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Garth]

I finally got through, it seems there was some comical phone technology 
things happening but we finally connected. I hadn't given the Rosco Platy 
any thought at all, zee-ro. I got the email and thought I'd at least see 
what they look like. That's a great move to offer it in purple as it is a 
fine alternative to the common production colors. 

If anyone else needs to know here's the 60 cm geo  Thanks Will ! 

HTA 69.5d
STA 72d
Effective TT 652mm
Stack 666mm  
Reach 430mm
Chainstay 540mm
Rake 67mm
Front Center 726mm
Drop 80mm 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Brian Turner]

James, just a minor observation when I zoomed in. The USB charging port is
positioned on the top of the light, where it would likely be more
vulnerable to letting water in. The Koma instructions tell you to screw the
light into the threaded mounting post so that the port is positioned down.
That way, you can screw it off to recharge it, and screw it back on so that
it will always be in the down position.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 2:46 PM James  wrote:

> Why do you say that?
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:44:55 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cool looking Clem! Except someone didn’t read the instructions on their
>> Koma light.
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 2:15 AM, Erik  wrote:
>>
>> Me too!  That is one tricked-out Clem.  I wish it were a little smaller.
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:47:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Garth]

That's what I thought Joe, but back when I had asked Will about the Platy 
being an "updated" Chev and he told me it was not. 

It seems if Riv's phone is busy it just rings once and disconnects rather 
than giving a busy signal .
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've never seen a geometry chart for the Platypus but this frame is based 
> on that one and that one is an updated Cheviot s..a 60cm Cheviot has a 
> 62.2cm ETT. 
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Does anyone happen to have the geometry of the 60cm ?  I've been trying 
>> to call Riv but all I get is one ring and it disconnects. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I've been riding my Clem L on longish road rides and am tempted by the 
>>> Rosco Platy but I don't think it would give me any benefit over my Clem. I 
>>> really like the step-through design and after being conscious of it at 
>>> first don't even give it a thought now. It is a burly looking bike to me. 
>>> Riding over pavement cracks and stop indicators at intersections is no 
>>> problem with the wide tires and long wheelbase. These were jarring on my 
>>> old Felt road bike with skinny tires but now they hardly even register. 
>>> Also, I am well-pleased with the Tosco bars and use the out front portion 
>>> about 20% of the time on a long ride to stretch out my back and get good 
>>> pedal leverage. I will be tempted by the Roaduno as an n+1 but as of now 
>>> I'm satisfied riding the Clem.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, GA
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:55:14 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer 
 my Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true 
 step-through. I’m an advocate for having BOTH. 

 In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more 
 people of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly 
 townies. And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple 
 paint! I think the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. 
 Hopefully 
 the new owners will be generous with their posts and photos and we will 
 get 
 to see this limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.

 Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How 
 will you build it up?




 On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

 I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board 
 with grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the 
 delays I wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over 
 the 
 moon about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models 
 because 
 they are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. 
 Not 
 that its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down 
 less fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350. 
 Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but 
 alas I am not.



 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my 
> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they 
> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one 
>> sold in the last several hours. Hmm.
>>
>> Eric
>> too many bikes, not enough budget
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm 
>>> pst 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a 
 short stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set 
 up. 
 Not good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs 
 they 
 have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and 
 had 
 hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
 sure 
 I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so 
 from an 
 aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
>> Well 

Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[James]

Why do you say that?

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:44:55 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cool looking Clem! Except someone didn’t read the instructions on their 
> Koma light.
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 2:15 AM, Erik  wrote:
>
> Me too!  That is one tricked-out Clem.  I wish it were a little smaller.  
>
>
> Erik 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:47:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Jon Dukeman]

Someone is going to get a REALLY nice bike.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:06 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> That is a very pretty bike! Love the color. Not my size and I also have
> more bikes than I need.
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including
>> racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in
>> great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic
>>> brown
>>>
>>> headset:FSA
>>>
>>> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>>>
>>> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips
>>> and Newbaum’s brown tape
>>>
>>> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>>>
>>> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>>>
>>> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>>>
>>> crankset:   Silver triple
>>>
>>> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>>>
>>> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>>>
>>> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>>>
>>> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>>>
>>> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>>>
>>> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>>>
>>> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>>>
>>> seatpost Nitto S83
>>>
>>> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>>>
>>> kickstand   included
>>>
>>> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>>>
>>> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>>>
>>> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>>>
>>> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>>>
>>> fenders: SKS
>>>
>>> link to photos:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Garth]

Does anyone happen to have the geometry of the 60cm ?  I've been trying to 
call Riv but all I get is one ring and it disconnects. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I've been riding my Clem L on longish road rides and am tempted by the 
> Rosco Platy but I don't think it would give me any benefit over my Clem. I 
> really like the step-through design and after being conscious of it at 
> first don't even give it a thought now. It is a burly looking bike to me. 
> Riding over pavement cracks and stop indicators at intersections is no 
> problem with the wide tires and long wheelbase. These were jarring on my 
> old Felt road bike with skinny tires but now they hardly even register. 
> Also, I am well-pleased with the Tosco bars and use the out front portion 
> about 20% of the time on a long ride to stretch out my back and get good 
> pedal leverage. I will be tempted by the Roaduno as an n+1 but as of now 
> I'm satisfied riding the Clem.
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:55:14 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer my 
>> Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true step-through. 
>> I’m an advocate for having BOTH. 
>>
>> In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more 
>> people of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly 
>> townies. And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple 
>> paint! I think the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. Hopefully 
>> the new owners will be generous with their posts and photos and we will get 
>> to see this limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.
>>
>> Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How 
>> will you build it up?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with 
>> grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I 
>> wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon 
>> about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they 
>> are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that 
>> its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less 
>> fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350. 
>> Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but 
>> alas I am not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my 
>>> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they 
>>> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold 
 in the last several hours. Hmm.

 Eric
 too many bikes, not enough budget


 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a 
>> short stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set 
>> up. 
>> Not good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs 
>> they 
>> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and 
>> had 
>> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
>> sure 
>> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from 
>> an 
>> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale 
 thread better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the 
 frame 
 they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
 nice 
 day! ‍♂️ 
 Joe Bernard 

 On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and 
> sent a pic of the green one with this text: 
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>
> Joe and Skye Bernard 
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[RBW] FS Surly Big Dummy (medium) w/ extras

[Brian Turner]

Although not a Rivendell of course, I'm trying to sell my super-nice cargo 
bike in order to finance my current Riv build. Bones' cargo bike thread 
earlier made me think there might be some folks here who would possibly be 
interested.

Here's a link to the current Craigslist ad. Local pickup ONLY, so if 
there's anyone here within driving distance of Central KY and is 
interested, please reach out to me. Price is negotiable within reason.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/bik/d/lexington-surly-big-dummy-cargo-bike/7504561538.html

Description:
Very well cared-for, equipped with nice components and a custom-made 
Porcelain Rocket frame bag. The cargo bags can be removed, and this Dummy 
has the XtraCycle P-racks, which allow you to attach a full set (4) of 
pannier bags if you want. I also have the “wide loader” attachments 
(included in sale), which allow you to carry bulkier items such as boxes.

Avid mechanical disc brakes & levers
Chris King headset
Dimension trekking bars w/ Ritchey adjustable stem
Origin 8 seatpost
Salsa seat clamp and skewers
Salsa Gordo 36-hole rims w/ Schwalbe Big Apple 26x2.35 tires
Planet Bike fenders
Custom-made frame bag from Porcelain Rocket
VP-59 pedals

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[RBW] Re: FS Cargo Bike Stuff

[Matt Beecher]

Probably a good idea to show it on a bike, if you can.  I did not know what 
it was and was curious enough to look it up online.  Not sure whether 
others would bother.  My first thought was that it looked awfully long to 
not have any sort of additional wheel...until I saw what it really was.  

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> A suggestion - I think that you need to post a picture of the Leap without 
> the bags. It isn't very obvious what the frame extension looks like because 
> it is covered up by the bag.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> My kids keep growing/multiplying and I have moved on to a full cargo 
>> bike. For the past few years though I have used this Xtracycle Leap kit 
>> with various frames and it has been fantastic. I thought I'd throw it up 
>> here before I post it on CL. The kit comes with the skirts, bags, brackets 
>> for seats... everything you see. The only thing missing is the magic carpet 
>> cushions, which moved to the new bike. I also have a Thule seat that fits 
>> on the Leap and a rear rack that is compatible with the seat. Local pickup 
>> (Southern NJ) for obvious reasons. Please reach out with any questions.
>>
>> Leap - $500
>> Rack - $25
>> Seat - $100
>>
>> Bones
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Cargo Bike Stuff

[lconley]

A suggestion - I think that you need to post a picture of the Leap without 
the bags. It isn't very obvious what the frame extension looks like because 
it is covered up by the bag.

Laing

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> My kids keep growing/multiplying and I have moved on to a full cargo bike. 
> For the past few years though I have used this Xtracycle Leap kit with 
> various frames and it has been fantastic. I thought I'd throw it up here 
> before I post it on CL. The kit comes with the skirts, bags, brackets for 
> seats... everything you see. The only thing missing is the magic carpet 
> cushions, which moved to the new bike. I also have a Thule seat that fits 
> on the Leap and a rear rack that is compatible with the seat. Local pickup 
> (Southern NJ) for obvious reasons. Please reach out with any questions.
>
> Leap - $500
> Rack - $25
> Seat - $100
>
> Bones
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Riv Nitto Platrack and Sackville Platsack #2

[WETH]

*Yes, I found a second Nitto Platrack and matching Sackville Platsack 
combination in inventory! * 

*This Platsack was modified by the previous owner, who replaced the snaps 
with turnbuckles; this allows for a more secure attachment to the Platrack 
in my opinion. Please see updated photos in link below.*

I thank Bill Lindsey for the description below taken from his for sale post 
last year.  He is a far better writer than I, and I thank him for his 
permission to quote his text: 

"The Platrack is a Nitto tubular steel platform specifically designed to 
bolt to the top of your Marks Rack (M1) or your Mini Front Rack (32F).  The 
Platrack converts your smaller rack into a much larger platform.  The 
Platrack has its own pair of auxiliary struts, stiffening and strengthening 
the assembly.  

The Sackville Platsack is a bag designed specifically to attach to the 
Platrack.”  

I am including Platrack struts that measure 40 cm long. 

$180 shipped for both the Platrack and the bag. (Local sale within 30 
minutes of 20895 zip code for $160) I prefer to sell them together as they 
belong together.  If you are desperate to buy one piece and not the other, 
let me know.  If I can find a buyer for each half then I might elect to 
split them up ($100 shipped for the Rack and struts.  $120 shipped for the 
Bag.)  

Please see photos for condition of items here: 
https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/For-Sale-Slickersack-Platrack

Photo of setup on my Surly LHT: 
https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/i-LvzN76Q/A

Thanks,

Erl

Kensington, MD
On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:16:07 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> Sold pending payment.  Thanks for all the interest!
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 10:17:38 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>
>> For Sale: a Nitto Platrack and matching Sackville Platsack combination.  
>>
>> I thank Bill Lindsey for the description below taken from his for sale 
>> post last year.  He is a far better writer than I, and I thank him for his 
>> permission to quote his text: 
>>
>> "The Platrack is a Nitto tubular steel platform specifically designed to 
>> bolt to the top of your Marks Rack (M1) or your Mini Front Rack (32F).  The 
>> Platrack converts your smaller rack into a much larger platform.  The 
>> Platrack has its own pair of auxiliary struts, stiffening and strengthening 
>> the assembly.  
>>
>> The Sackville Platsack is a bag designed specifically to attach to the 
>> Platrack.”  
>>
>> I am including Platrack struts that measure 40 cm long. 
>>
>> $180 shipped for both the Platrack and the bag. (Local sale within 30 
>> minutes of 20895 zip code for $160) I prefer to sell them together as they 
>> belong together.  If you are desperate to buy one piece and not the other, 
>> let me know.  If I can find a buyer for each half then I might elect to 
>> split them up ($100 shipped for the Rack and struts.  $120 shipped for the 
>> Bag.)  
>>
>> Please see photos for condition of items here; there is a small hole in 
>> the Platsack above the zipper: 
>> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/For-Sale-Slickersack-Platrack
>>
>> Photo of setup on my Surly LHT: 
>> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/i-LvzN76Q/A
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Erl
>>
>> Kensington, MD
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Valerie Yates]

That is a very pretty bike! Love the color. Not my size and I also have 
more bikes than I need. 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including 
> racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in 
> great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic brown
>>
>> headset:FSA
>>
>> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>>
>> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips 
>> and Newbaum’s brown tape
>>
>> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>>
>> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>>
>> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>>
>> crankset:   Silver triple
>>
>> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>>
>> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>>
>> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>>
>> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>>
>> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>>
>> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>>
>> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>>
>> seatpost Nitto S83
>>
>> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>>
>> kickstand   included
>>
>> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>>
>> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>>
>> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>>
>> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>>
>> fenders: SKS 
>>
>> link to photos:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Doug H.]

I've been riding my Clem L on longish road rides and am tempted by the 
Rosco Platy but I don't think it would give me any benefit over my Clem. I 
really like the step-through design and after being conscious of it at 
first don't even give it a thought now. It is a burly looking bike to me. 
Riding over pavement cracks and stop indicators at intersections is no 
problem with the wide tires and long wheelbase. These were jarring on my 
old Felt road bike with skinny tires but now they hardly even register. 
Also, I am well-pleased with the Tosco bars and use the out front portion 
about 20% of the time on a long ride to stretch out my back and get good 
pedal leverage. I will be tempted by the Roaduno as an n+1 but as of now 
I'm satisfied riding the Clem.
Doug
Athens, GA

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:55:14 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer my 
> Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true step-through. 
> I’m an advocate for having BOTH. 
>
> In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more 
> people of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly 
> townies. And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple 
> paint! I think the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. Hopefully 
> the new owners will be generous with their posts and photos and we will get 
> to see this limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.
>
> Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How 
> will you build it up?
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with 
> grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I 
> wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon 
> about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they 
> are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that 
> its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less 
> fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350. 
> Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but 
> alas I am not.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my 
>> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they 
>> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold 
>>> in the last several hours. Hmm.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> too many bikes, not enough budget
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short 
> stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not 
> good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they 
> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had 
> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
> sure 
> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from 
> an 
> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale 
>>> thread better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the 
>>> frame 
>>> they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
>>> nice 
>>> day! ‍♂️ 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and 
 sent a pic of the green one with this text: 
 "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."


 https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august

 Joe and Skye Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Bleriot 55 complete $1000 plus shipping

[Valerie Yates]

Update - the Bleriot is SOLD and will be on its way shortly to its new 
owner. I appreciate all of the inquiries. 
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 8:21:45 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am pleased to report that I’ve had a number of inquiries for the bike 
> and I am responding in order. 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-6 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Very interested!! Sent a pm :)
>>
>> Patch in BK/NY
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:05:59 PM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful bike and a great deal. Just too far past the N+1 right 
>>> now…
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the enthusiasm! Someone looking for a versatile bike and fun 
>>> ride should have the chance to enjoy this  Bleriot.  I’ve read several 
>>> posts about people regretting selling theirs, so I do have some hesitation 
>>> around it. But I also am expecting a Charlie H Gallop demo (54) and want to 
>>> make some room. 
>>>
>>> I am new to Flickr. I think/hope the pics are now visible. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:18:02 PM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 That's a crazy good deal!  I'm not personally interested, but I also 
 cannot access the photos.  

 GLWS!

 Matt

 On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:09:10 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am interested in selling my size 55 Bleriot complete. It is a lovely 
> bike to ride. I have the gearing set for steep dirt roads, at which it 
> excels. It rides similar to a Soma San Marcos - very fluid - with a bit 
> more tire clearance (42 v 38). 
>
> I purchased the Bleriot from a list member in 2017. Our deal was for 
> $1200 including shipping and minus saddle, stem, and handlebars. I am 
> hoping to sell it for essentially the same price with a stem and 
> handlebars 
> included, along with a new freewheel. Sale price is $1,000 complete, 
> including professional packing, plus actual charges for bike flights 
> shipping. Shipping to be determined once packed and the ship-to address 
> is 
> known. I am open to offers if someone wants the frame minus specific 
> components or for local pick-up in Boulder/Denver area. 
>
> This bike has ample visible beausage - lots of scratches and dings -- 
> without any serious damage.  The only trouble it has given me is that the 
> rear brake hanger can get in the way of the seat bolt binder. I have to 
> position it very carefully to make sure the seat post does not slip. 
>
> Lots of pictures here 
> 
> .
>
> *Details*:
> Size 55 measured center to center (which is a good fit for my 82 pbh)
> Saddle as pictured is 71 1/2 , measured diagonally from the center of 
> the crank arm
> Geometry chart 
> 
> Velocity Synergy 650B 32h rims
> Standover about 81 Fatty Rumpkin tires (great tires! plenty of life 
> left in them)
> Shimano Dynamo front hub DH 3N71 
> B Lumotec Lyt (25 lumens)
> Phil Wood rear hub
> Campagnolo-Brev-Int headset
> Phil Wood bottom bracket (according to previous owner)
> Technomic stem 7
> Nitto handlebars -- likely B136 Rando Touring Bar size 42  
> (very
>  
> comfortable)
> Sugino XD triple 48x36x24
> Shimano Sora FD
> 7 speed freewheel (not a free hub / cassette) SunRun 14x34 (relatively 
> new)
> Paul Components center-pull brakes
> Shimano XT RD
> Tektro brake levers
> Shimano bar-end shifters
>
> Excluded items: saddle, pedals and tail-light
> Bottle cages - optional (no charge either way)
>
> Happy to answer any questions. 
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
>
> [image: PXL_20220706_203855424.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Leah Peterson]

I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer my 
Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true step-through. I’m 
an advocate for having BOTH. 

In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more people 
of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly townies. 
And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple paint! I think 
the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. Hopefully the new owners 
will be generous with their posts and photos and we will get to see this 
limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.

Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How will 
you build it up?




> On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> 
> I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with 
> grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I 
> wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon 
> about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they 
> are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that 
> its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less 
> fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350. Congrats 
> to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but alas I am 
> not.
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my custom 
>> and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they didn't do 
>> one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>> I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold in 
>>> the last several hours. Hmm.
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> too many bikes, not enough budget
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
 Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 
 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short 
> stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not 
> good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they 
> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had 
> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
> sure I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so 
> from an aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
>>> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame 
>>> they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
>>> nice day! ‍♂️ 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> 
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent 
> a pic of the green one with this text: 
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
> 
> Joe and Skye Bernard 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Johnny Alien]

I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with 
grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I 
wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon 
about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they 
are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that 
its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less 
fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350. 
Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but 
alas I am not.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my 
> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they 
> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold 
>> in the last several hours. Hmm.
>>
>> Eric
>> too many bikes, not enough budget
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
>>> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short 
 stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not 
 good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they 
 have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had 
 hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure 
 I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from 
 an 
 aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale 
>> thread better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the 
>> frame 
>> they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
>> nice 
>> day! ‍♂️ 
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and 
>>> sent a pic of the green one with this text: 
>>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>>
>>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Jim S.]

bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including 
racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in 
great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic brown
>
> headset:FSA
>
> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>
> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips and 
> Newbaum’s brown tape
>
> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>
> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>
> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>
> crankset:   Silver triple
>
> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>
> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>
> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>
> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>
> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>
> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>
> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>
> seatpost Nitto S83
>
> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>
> kickstand   included
>
> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>
> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>
> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>
> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>
> fenders: SKS 
>
> link to photos:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Brian Turner]

Cool looking Clem! Except someone didn’t read the instructions on their Koma 
light.

> On Jul 15, 2022, at 2:15 AM, Erik  wrote:
> 
> Me too!  That is one tricked-out Clem.  I wish it were a little smaller.  
> 
> Erik 
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:47:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem. 
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Erik]

Me too!  That is one tricked-out Clem.  I wish it were a little smaller.  

Erik 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:47:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Corwin Zechar]

Those Shimano drop-bar levers are still available! Buy them at rivbike.com, 
amazon.com, ebay.com and several other places.

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:52:46 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never had 
> any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard Shimano 
> Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued) on a set 
> of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the wheel will 
> skid. 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
>
> - Jim
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be 
>> delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What 
>> sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a 
>> drop-bar bike. 
>>
>> To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking 
>> effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would 
>> prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear 
>> to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium 
>> reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or 
>> high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever 
>> brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and 
>> Classic Lightweights UK websites.
>>
>> IME, I tend to agree with those who say that almost all brakes work 
>> decently, if not brilliantly, if properly set up, and if the levers are 
>> appropriate to the brakes proper. I know that my otherwise wonderful 
>> second-gen (? The tab-operated cam) Dura Ace single pivots worked badly, 
>> even with salmons, pulled by 7410-era levers, while the single pivot (high 
>> end DC? Superbe Pro?) 57 mm reach single pivot on the gofast pulled by the 
>> same levers works very well indeed, for power and for modulation.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Appearance was a large consideration when I selected the Rene 
>>> Herse braze-on centerpull brakes for my Rivendell Custom that was intended 
>>> as a road bike. I call it a fat man's racing bike. "Racing Bike" as in no 
>>> braze-ons for racks, no fender eyelets, no holes in the "brake" or chain 
>>> stay bridges, - clean stays and forks but a really long wheelbase. The long 
>>> chainstays are balanced by the really long main triangle (62 cm ETT x 53.4 
>>> ST). What I did not realize was how large the Rene Herse brakes are, they 
>>> dwarf my Mafac Competition , DiaCompe, and Weinmann centerpulls. But they 
>>> still have that fifties - sixties racing bike look. The centerpull 
>>> braze-ons are located between the rim and the fork crown/brake bridge, so 
>>> they are a stiffer mount that cantilevers/V-brakes whose braze-ons are 
>>> located below the rim. Another plus for the RH centerpulls is no black or 
>>> plastic parts like the long reach Tektros.
>>>
>>> I have never actually seen another bike with braze-on centerpulls except 
>>> in pictures - some in the book *Japanese Steel*. I have considered at 
>>> times having Dia-Compe braze-ons installed on my Paramount for the original 
>>> Weinmann centerpull brakes.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
 I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on 
 them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be 
 rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look 
 odd 
 to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell 
 should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes. 


 Daniel M 

 Tallahassee Fl

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is 
> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely 
> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't 
> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it 
> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road 
> frame. 
>
>

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