Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm 2022 MIT Atlantis 4100 OBO

[Corwin Zechar]

Actually, there is one more candidate in the long-pull drop bar brake lever 
category: Dia-Compe 287V levers.

I have a pair. Rivendell has sold them recently as well 

.

I suggested to Grant that a market exists for a drop bar lever that can 
switch between long and short pull (based on moving the pivot - ala Paul 
Duplex levers). Grant was not inclined toward that idea.

Regards,

Corwin
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:27:45 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Someone should scoop this up! I have a 2022 MIT Atlantis and dig it. 
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:03:41 PM UTC-8 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tekro makes the only pair of drop bar long pull levers. I believe the 
>> model is RL520. I love the XTR V-Brake and I have them on my bridgestone. I 
>> had this bike set up with Tosco bars and there was nowhere near enough 
>> reach for me. Unfortunately, youll have to go with bar-end shifters or 
>> downtube shifters if you go that route. I dont think youll be happy with 
>> the braking if you dont use a long pull lever though. 
>> RE: cliffhangers. Grant has said that there's no need for msw's but I see 
>> what youre saying. Ive only put approx. 200 miles on the bike and it has 
>> been fine for me. I think the rims themselves are a little heavy, but if 
>> you're wanting to do touring they're really a great option. 
>>
>> Personally, this bike's utility was covered by bikes I already own ( A 
>> riv rambouillet for road/rando, and a bridgestone XO-2 for 
>> commuting/touring). I think I really just wanted a full rigid MTB, which 
>> this is not. 
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:44 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Emmet:
>>>
>>> Set-up question for ya. I like direction you took your Atlantis build 
>>> (I'm in middle of building a 62 myself). I'm strongly considering exactly 
>>> that route. How do the road brake levers work with the v-brakes? I've read 
>>> road levers don't have enough pull for v-bakes to provide good breaking. 
>>> What's your experience, since your set-up is just that?
>>>
>>> I'm wanting to run Ultegra 600 brifters with XTR v-brakes to get a 
>>> set-up with a cockpit, brakes, and plump tires; like your (for now) 
>>> Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Your thoughts, please?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:10:33 PM MST, Emmet Sheehan <
>>> e.q.s...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Since someone else already posted it, I'd figure i'd put it up here. Can 
>>> maybe do a better deal if I sell it here instead of Ebay, shoot me an offer?
>>>
>>> I’m selling my 2022 MIT 62cm Atlantis built at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown 
>>> (that I posted here a couple months ago). Take a look! 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wkeNcXbQJR1VStvPA
>>>
>>> Build highlights:
>>> Velocity Cliffhangers 36h - silver rear hub, son dynamo in front
>>> Towel Rack bars with Tekro long pull/shimano brakes
>>> 3x9 drivetrain, silver cranks, deore rear, sun xcd front
>>> Asking 4100 shipped and insured OBO
>>> Never fell in love with this like I thought I would, wasn’t quite 
>>> perfect for twisty, technical singletrack I was wanting, and I have several 
>>> other commuting/touring bikes. It is truly a jack of all trades and someone 
>>> will love it. Maybe you!
>>>
>>> -Emmet
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[RBW] Re: A Santa Fe Christmas

[brizbarn]

When I was in Santa Fe it was more of meandering van trip, not too much 
bike riding. My partner and I van camped at the ski area outside town (not 
in ski season). And also near an amazing hot spring in the Santa Fe 
National Forest, that area was incredible and definitely enchanting.  We 
spotted a bear paw print in the dirt near our camp spot, and were pretty 
spooked by that but lived to tell about it.  I remember loving the Georgia 
O'keeffe museum in town, downtown in general was really cool.  We also 
visited Gila NF, the Carlsbad Caverns, and Roswell (rode bikes outside 
Roswell somewhere, but didn't spot any UFOs).

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:26:43 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thanks much, John!
>
> Re: the sunsets – totally agree. Lovely snap there. How long have you 
> lived in NM? You like it?
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-7 John M wrote:
>
>>
>> Those are great photos Luke-- I love the trash-hauling rainbow-tubed 
>> Atlantis.  I live in southern New Mexico (Silver City) but spent last 
>> Christmas in Santa Fe.  The sunrises/sunsets there really are incredible.  
>> Here's a Christmas Eve sunrise from the rail-trail south of town.
>>
>> [image: IMG_20211224_070932_DRO_2.jpg]
>>
>> john
>>
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> The local stuff (trails, riding into town, visiting nearby spots) was 
>>> rad. Hearing about stuff north of me, Las Cruces bikepacking, and the 
>>> thought of touring from pueblo to pueblo… I want to come back. 
>>>
>>> Whereabouts did you stay/visit when here last?
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:43:48 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
 Santa Fe is an absolutely beautiful place, as is New Mexico in general. 
  I'd love to get back there some day, it's been years.  Seems like a great 
 place for a bike tour, or some local rides like you did. 

 On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 4:56:35 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

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>
> I traveled to Santa Fe with my wife to stay in a spot with my Mom, my 
> brother, and one of his daughters. We stayed just a few miles north of 
> Santa Fe proper near the Santa Fe Opera and have been in Santa Fe, Taos, 
> Chimayo, Tesuque (little out and back ride from our spot), and had some 
> time in the towns between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
>
> The last time I was in New Mexico was about eight years ago and I was 
> more interested in the still-new relationship that I was in than the 
> gorgeous surroundings here. Anyway, I’ve loved the stay and enjoyed 
> stopping off at Sincere Cycles in town. I have included a few photos of 
> my 
> surroundings, the sunset, and my Riv on a trash run from the house (I 
> didn’t even wreck).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 for Ryan's request for more pics

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  On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:29 PM, Ryan wrote:   I know this 
is a Rivendell forum...but show us more pictures of this lovely bike , please
Hope everyone is safe and warm and managing to enjoy family time in the 
holidays  in this challenging weather

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:14:41 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever seen.  
Good trade!

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:


I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that often, but 
this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front and rear, with 
the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally built up with a 
Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've been flush with cash, 
is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB and other 
top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a second Annapurna 
fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and traded 
a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this Annapurna and 
a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the days.
Willet M.





On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:

This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  Hoping to 
see the bike this week

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, those 
are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes.  They work 
great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough of them for 
spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
Greg

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on the 
seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting standard, 
but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're bulky and have 
limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller cams made by 
WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple thousand dollars 
each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a licensed version of 
those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but ya'll 
are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a cheap, 
knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local Schwinn High 
Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience with those.  What 
is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the placement of the 
mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible?  The mounts seem 
higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center or side-pull brakes 
work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1








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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[Ryan]

I know this is a Rivendell forum...but show us more pictures of this lovely 
bike , please

Hope everyone is safe and warm and managing to enjoy family time in the 
holidays  in this challenging weather

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 8:14:41 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever 
> seen.  Good trade!
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that 
>> often, but this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front 
>> and rear, with the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally 
>> built up with a Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've 
>> been flush with cash, is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB 
>> and other top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a 
>> second Annapurna fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
>>
>> Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and 
>> traded a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this 
>> Annapurna and a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the 
>> days.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Dinner 015.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge. 
>>>  Hoping to see the bike this week
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>>
 James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking 
 at, those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty 
 enough 
 of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!

 Greg

 On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are 
> located on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the 
> chainstays and are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  
> There are two slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with 
> one generally being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify 
> which yours is  but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that 
> look like giant frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the 
> same 
> mounting standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  
> They're bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super 
> sought-after roller cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but 
> they'd be a couple thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  
> The 
> sun tours are a licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a 
> runabout hobby bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, 
>> but ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value 
>> in 
>> a cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a 
>> local 
>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know 
>> experience 
>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to 
>> the 
>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be 
>> compatible? 
>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would 
>> center 
>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>
>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[iamkeith]

Winner winner, chicken dinner.  That's one of the nicest bikes I've ever 
seen.  Good trade!

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

>
> I don't get a chance to share pics of my Ritchey Annapurna all that often, 
> but this is a good illustration of the pricey WTB rollercams front and 
> rear, with the rear being chainstay mounted.  This frame was originally 
> built up with a Campy Euclid gruppo, but the original owner (who must've 
> been flush with cash, is all I can think) decided to bling it up with WTB 
> and other top-of-the-top-shelf items, which necessitated also ordering a 
> second Annapurna fork with rollercam mounts in the correct positions.
>
> Back in the early 1990's, I was in the right place at the right time and 
> traded a nice-but-nothing-too-special Bridgestone RB-1 and $600 for this 
> Annapurna and a mint Cinelli Supercorsa with Campy NR/SR.  Those were the 
> days.
>
> Willet M.
>
>
>
> [image: Dinner 015.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:23:37 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge. 
>>  Hoping to see the bike this week
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
>>> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>>>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
>>> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
 on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
 are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
 slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
 being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is 
  
 but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
 frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
 standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
 bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after 
 roller 
 cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
 thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
 licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

 On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to 
> the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be 
> compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would 
> center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>


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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Garth]

Even using the 36t with a 11-32 doesn't really help though combined with a 
48t big ring. If you used a 36/44 instead however, here's your gears, 
https://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=44,36=11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32=2280=90=2.6=KMH=gearInches
You have a split between every gear ! 

I look at cassette hubs as a kind of effed up thing in that the innermost 
cog position is at such an angle I consider it worthless, and the outermost 
not far behind. The sweet spot is the 7 in between for optimal chain angles 
with 2 or more rings. So forget about the old idea about finding a smaller 
range cassette for that reason. You don't need the 11 or the 32 anyways 
even if you could, so leave them and ride the 12-28 7 speed in between. See 
? There's your "smaller" cassette which when combined with the 36/44 will 
give you all the gears and half gears you'll need. 110 bcd 44t rings from 
Origin8 are easy to find online. On my Bombadil I ride 24/36/44 with a 
12-36, though I never use and have locked out the 12 and 36. I have all the 
gears and a halves I need. The straw-man argument against not using cogs is 
a waste... or too heavy . hah hah .ask the straw-man how much the 
straw-man weighs and compared to what and watch a circus ensue . . 
  And if a 44/12 is considered "too small"  hah hah again .. Enjoy 
the Ride ! 

And a Smile

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[James]

This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  Hoping 
to see the bike this week

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>
> Greg
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
>> on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
>> are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
>> slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
>> being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  
>> but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
>> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
>> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
>> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
>> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
>> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
>> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>>
>>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Adam]

Thanks all,

I had not tried that gear calculator, but was using another. This one is 
nicely laid out.

My thinking seems like it will work. Basically, I currently use the 48T and 
end up between the 16 - 18 - 21 a lot of the time on faster road rides. I'd 
like to have more gears in between these cogs. I'll find a cassette that 
has them and see how it treats me.

I'm looking at a 12-27 now, and seeing that as Joe said, I could use the 36 
instead of the 48 and have a lot more options in the 70-85" range where I 
spend all of my time.

going to give it a shot and see what I think

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 3:32:24 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also in your case I wouldn't worry about duplicate ratios, if you ride 
> like me on the flats you're going to mostly be in the middle ring and just 
> run up and down the cassette. The low and high front rings will see very 
> occasional use. Is my guess. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:26:44 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't see any non-obvious issues (unless I don't see it cuz it's 
>> non-obvious!), you're keeping the triple so still need your long cage 
>> derailers. I'm not sure you'll find a 13-28 9-speed though*, most I've come 
>> across or can recall have an 11 or 12t final cog. There's 12-27 9ers out 
>> there which might do the trick for you. Of course if you're friction 
>> shifting you can grab a 13-28 8-speed.
>>
>> *Someone here may prove me wrong and find one for you. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:18:51 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone,
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, my goal is to add some additional steps within my 
>>> existing range. I often find--especially longer rides with constant 
>>> winds--that I don't have quite the gear that I'd like to sustain my pace.
>>>
>>> My plan is to just base things off my current setup and the gear 
>>> calculator, just curious of there are other, not obvious considerations.
>>>
>>> THANKS
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-6 mike goldman wrote:
>>>
 adam, 

 a triple is fine. i would use a cassette with an 11t first cog so you 
 will have some low end on those flats and downhills 

 mike in rhode island 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Joe Bernard]

Also in your case I wouldn't worry about duplicate ratios, if you ride like 
me on the flats you're going to mostly be in the middle ring and just run 
up and down the cassette. The low and high front rings will see very 
occasional use. Is my guess. 

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:26:44 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't see any non-obvious issues (unless I don't see it cuz it's 
> non-obvious!), you're keeping the triple so still need your long cage 
> derailers. I'm not sure you'll find a 13-28 9-speed though*, most I've come 
> across or can recall have an 11 or 12t final cog. There's 12-27 9ers out 
> there which might do the trick for you. Of course if you're friction 
> shifting you can grab a 13-28 8-speed.
>
> *Someone here may prove me wrong and find one for you. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:18:51 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> Just to clarify, my goal is to add some additional steps within my 
>> existing range. I often find--especially longer rides with constant 
>> winds--that I don't have quite the gear that I'd like to sustain my pace.
>>
>> My plan is to just base things off my current setup and the gear 
>> calculator, just curious of there are other, not obvious considerations.
>>
>> THANKS
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-6 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> adam, 
>>>
>>> a triple is fine. i would use a cassette with an 11t first cog so you 
>>> will have some low end on those flats and downhills 
>>>
>>> mike in rhode island 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Santa Fe Christmas

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks much, John!

Re: the sunsets – totally agree. Lovely snap there. How long have you lived 
in NM? You like it?

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-7 John M wrote:

>
> Those are great photos Luke-- I love the trash-hauling rainbow-tubed 
> Atlantis.  I live in southern New Mexico (Silver City) but spent last 
> Christmas in Santa Fe.  The sunrises/sunsets there really are incredible.  
> Here's a Christmas Eve sunrise from the rail-trail south of town.
>
> [image: IMG_20211224_070932_DRO_2.jpg]
>
> john
>
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:04:44 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> The local stuff (trails, riding into town, visiting nearby spots) was 
>> rad. Hearing about stuff north of me, Las Cruces bikepacking, and the 
>> thought of touring from pueblo to pueblo… I want to come back. 
>>
>> Whereabouts did you stay/visit when here last?
>>
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:43:48 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> Santa Fe is an absolutely beautiful place, as is New Mexico in general. 
>>>  I'd love to get back there some day, it's been years.  Seems like a great 
>>> place for a bike tour, or some local rides like you did. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 4:56:35 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 [image: B2090650-3E4F-459A-82EC-FD6DA03A56D9.jpeg]
 [image: 63A83374-5AC0-4289-9768-D78A0143FA87.jpeg][image: 
 660ED454-3A54-48A2-8245-B4A4A1D7DE25.jpeg][image: 
 FED68E11-EEC6-42D4-92E0-D24009437792.jpeg][image: 
 FC34AB69-8452-4C23-A843-506F8F24E821.jpeg]

 I traveled to Santa Fe with my wife to stay in a spot with my Mom, my 
 brother, and one of his daughters. We stayed just a few miles north of 
 Santa Fe proper near the Santa Fe Opera and have been in Santa Fe, Taos, 
 Chimayo, Tesuque (little out and back ride from our spot), and had some 
 time in the towns between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.

 The last time I was in New Mexico was about eight years ago and I was 
 more interested in the still-new relationship that I was in than the 
 gorgeous surroundings here. Anyway, I’ve loved the stay and enjoyed 
 stopping off at Sincere Cycles in town. I have included a few photos of my 
 surroundings, the sunset, and my Riv on a trash run from the house (I 
 didn’t even wreck).

>>>

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Joe Bernard]

I don't see any non-obvious issues (unless I don't see it cuz it's 
non-obvious!), you're keeping the triple so still need your long cage 
derailers. I'm not sure you'll find a 13-28 9-speed though*, most I've come 
across or can recall have an 11 or 12t final cog. There's 12-27 9ers out 
there which might do the trick for you. Of course if you're friction 
shifting you can grab a 13-28 8-speed.

*Someone here may prove me wrong and find one for you. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 11:18:51 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Thanks everyone,
>
> Just to clarify, my goal is to add some additional steps within my 
> existing range. I often find--especially longer rides with constant 
> winds--that I don't have quite the gear that I'd like to sustain my pace.
>
> My plan is to just base things off my current setup and the gear 
> calculator, just curious of there are other, not obvious considerations.
>
> THANKS
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-6 mike goldman wrote:
>
>> adam,
>>
>> a triple is fine. i would use a cassette with an 11t first cog so you 
>> will have some low end on those flats and downhills
>>
>> mike in rhode island
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

No preference here 

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East Bay.  
> Preferences?
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan.   Where were you thinking?
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another ride 
>>> 2 weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in the Bay 
>>> Area. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Brendan Willard
>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>
>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>
>>> Speaking in Thumbs 
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the New 
 Year. 

 Thanks,
 -Brendan Willard
 Owner/Winemaker
 Phantômé Cellars

 phantomecellars.com 

 Speaking in Thumbs 

 On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
 wrote:

 Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess New 
 Year’s Day then, huh?



 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the next 
> week. 
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> 10am meet on 12/31 at Coffee Movement (1737 Balboa) followed by a 
>> 10:30am departure with potential stops at Golden Boy, Red’s Java, and 
>> Farley’s (that’s the lil’ Potrero detour built into the ride) followed 
>> by a 
>> leisurely cruise to the top of Twin Peaks. Here’s the route 
>> . 
>>
>> The ride can of course continue after the end of the above suggested 
>> course. Either way, the main point of this is to have a chill, friendly 
>> meandering around the City before kicking off 2023.
>>
>> Feel free to dm me with any questions!
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:54:17 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew – sick!
>>>
>>> Nicholas – you bet!
>>>
>>> Ahmed – it’d be great to have you. 
>>>
>>> I’ll be posting a route, etc., in the next couple of days that’ll 
>>> include a few chill hills and at least one coffee shop plus spots along 
>>> the 
>>> way for food. I’ve never planned a ride of this sort before so bear 
>>> with me 
>>> 
>>>
>>> I’m also leaning towards a NYE ride that’ll have us meeting up at 
>>> 10:30 at a coffee shop and rolling out at 11 for a couple hours or so. 
>>> Nothing too intense or crazy here.
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:36:30 AM UTC-8 
>>> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>>>
 I’m in San Mateo but would be interested in joining in. :)

 Ahmed

 On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:21 AM nicholas price  
 wrote:

> I’m also in Nob Hill. Will be out of town for new years but would 
> be happy to meet up for a later ride. 
>
> Nicholas. 
>
> On Dec 14, 2022, at 07:51, Brendan Willard in SF  
> wrote:
>
> I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count 
> me in for future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.
>
> Brendan
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:
>
>> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on 
>> later dates for sure!
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke 
>> Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 
>>>
>>> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I 
>>> love it up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 
>>>
>>> Zac – sick!
>>>
>>> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang 
>>> out is super not required.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 
>>> zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:

> I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to 
> meet some of yous
>
> Jay P
>
> Marin
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke 
> Hendrickson 

[RBW] Socks Sold

[Rich Lesnik]

The NZ wool/possum XL socks are sold.

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Garth]

Adam, if you're asking for specific gear advice please be specific in 
stating what gears, in inches, that you say you don't have. 
https://www.gear-calculator.com/
Use this gear chart site, input your rings, cassette, wheel size and choose 
gear inches. Look at the gear-inch combos and see the exact gear inches you 
claim to be absent. Since I don't know you, I don't know what rings and 
combos you're using of a given cassette and how much or little cross 
chaining degrees you find acceptable.It might be as simple as you're not 
using certain 36 or 48 combinations, maybe not, the only way for us to help 
you specifically is for you to be very specific. Of course, after you do 
that you won't need any help, just look for cassettes that have the certain 
cogs you may need. BTW, I don't consider the 26t as rideable for anything 
but hills, and since you have none don't bother with that ring in your 
charting.
Point your mouse over the ring(and cogs) and move it, add or delete as 
desired. 

Yeah, I know cassette combos suck, but the lower end Sunrace all have 
cassettes held in place by long hex screw pins, thus you can make your own 
if you can find the right cogs. 

And smile. 

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[RBW] FS: XL NZ Socks

[Rich Lesnik]

I have 2 pair of XL NZ wool/possum socks, tried on, washed warm, still too
big (didn't shrink at all; washed warm again after I tried them on). Colors
are raspberry and olive. You can have the pair for $25 shipped.

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[Adam]

Thanks everyone,

Just to clarify, my goal is to add some additional steps within my existing 
range. I often find--especially longer rides with constant winds--that I 
don't have quite the gear that I'd like to sustain my pace.

My plan is to just base things off my current setup and the gear 
calculator, just curious of there are other, not obvious considerations.

THANKS

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 12:45:24 PM UTC-6 mike goldman wrote:

> adam,
>
> a triple is fine. i would use a cassette with an 11t first cog so you will 
> have some low end on those flats and downhills
>
> mike in rhode island
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[Greg J]

James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
 They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!

Greg

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on 
> the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
> difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
> different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
> considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
> there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>
>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] cassette advice?

[mikel66...@juno.com]

adam,

a triple is fine. i would use a cassette with an 11t first cog so you will have 
some low end on those flats and downhills

mike in rhode island

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[RBW] Re: cassette advice?

[iamkeith]

My only advice is to run your proposed chainrings and sprockets combination 
through Sheldon's gear calculator or something similar, to make sure you 
don't have a bunch of redundant gear combinations.  To me, the only reason 
for having a close-ratio cassette is to be able to have more incremental 
cadence options.  When you have a complete, mainstream, racer wannabe 
component group  this is usually worked out.But sometimes the more 
versatile chainring setups like yours (and mine) end up yielding too many 
combos that are almost identical.  At that point, you don't really gain 
anything by going with smaller cogs.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:45:56 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm thinking about changing up the cassette on my Hillborne this winter. 
> I'm currently running an 11-32 (9sp) with 48/36/26 in front.
>
> I've moved to the midwest, and now the closest thing I see to a hill is a 
> freeway overpass. I'd like to try a more compact cassette, thinking 
> something like a 13-28. I somehow have only ridden wide range cassettes, so 
> this is new territory to me. Any advice on this swap?
>
> I also realize the triple front is superfluous, but don't want to swap it 
> unnecessarily, the cassette is getting old, cranks seem fine.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam - just back from a ride through Chicago snow.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Swift Titanium

[Michael Ullmer]

Last bump on this, $160 net to me.

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:27:33 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Bump on this and price reduction, $180 net to me
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:57:01 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> This saddle came on the Ram that I posted about earlier today. Brooks 
>> saddles don't work for me.
>>
>> I treated with proofride once when I got it to keep the leather treated. 
>> Tightening bolt does not appear to be turned at all. Some marks, scuffs on 
>> leather as shown in pics.
>>
>> Looking for $200 net to me plus shipping via Pirateship
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SZRYXVNrtK1fZR9k9
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[iamkeith]

Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on 
the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:

> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>
> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>

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[RBW] cassette advice?

[Adam]

Hi all,

I'm thinking about changing up the cassette on my Hillborne this winter. 
I'm currently running an 11-32 (9sp) with 48/36/26 in front.

I've moved to the midwest, and now the closest thing I see to a hill is a 
freeway overpass. I'd like to try a more compact cassette, thinking 
something like a 13-28. I somehow have only ridden wide range cassettes, so 
this is new territory to me. Any advice on this swap?

I also realize the triple front is superfluous, but don't want to swap it 
unnecessarily, the cassette is getting old, cranks seem fine.

Thanks!

Adam - just back from a ride through Chicago snow.

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[RBW] Roller-Cam brakes

[James]

This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
 The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you

Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East Bay.  
Preferences?

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan.   Where were you thinking?
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another ride 2 
>> weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in the Bay Area. 
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
>>
>> phantomecellars.com 
>>
>> Speaking in Thumbs 
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the New 
>>> Year. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Brendan Willard
>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>
>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>
>>> Speaking in Thumbs 
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess New 
>>> Year’s Day then, huh?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the next 
 week. 

 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> 10am meet on 12/31 at Coffee Movement (1737 Balboa) followed by a 
> 10:30am departure with potential stops at Golden Boy, Red’s Java, and 
> Farley’s (that’s the lil’ Potrero detour built into the ride) followed by 
> a 
> leisurely cruise to the top of Twin Peaks. Here’s the route 
> . 
>
> The ride can of course continue after the end of the above suggested 
> course. Either way, the main point of this is to have a chill, friendly 
> meandering around the City before kicking off 2023.
>
> Feel free to dm me with any questions!
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:54:17 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Matthew – sick!
>>
>> Nicholas – you bet!
>>
>> Ahmed – it’d be great to have you. 
>>
>> I’ll be posting a route, etc., in the next couple of days that’ll 
>> include a few chill hills and at least one coffee shop plus spots along 
>> the 
>> way for food. I’ve never planned a ride of this sort before so bear with 
>> me 
>> 
>>
>> I’m also leaning towards a NYE ride that’ll have us meeting up at 
>> 10:30 at a coffee shop and rolling out at 11 for a couple hours or so. 
>> Nothing too intense or crazy here.
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:36:30 AM UTC-8 
>> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>>
>>> I’m in San Mateo but would be interested in joining in. :)
>>>
>>> Ahmed
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:21 AM nicholas price  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m also in Nob Hill. Will be out of town for new years but would 
 be happy to meet up for a later ride. 

 Nicholas. 

 On Dec 14, 2022, at 07:51, Brendan Willard in SF  
 wrote:

 I'm in Nob Hill, SF.  I'll be in Hawaii until the 10th, but count 
 me in for future rides anywhere in the Bay Area.

 Brendan

 On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:27:01 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

> Luke  - I won't be in town for the 31/1st, but I'll join in on 
> later dates for sure!
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. 
>>
>> Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I 
>> love it up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. 
>>
>> Zac – sick!
>>
>> It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang 
>> out is super not required.
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-8 
>> zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote:
>>>
 I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to 
 meet some of yous

 Jay P

 Marin

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke 
 Hendrickson wrote:

> Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love 
> to see if anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming 
> week(s). 
> Perhaps even a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the 

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Brian Turner]

Arb, what size Gus is yours? I really like that little half frame bag! Do 
you know what size it is also?

-Brian

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:15:38 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Arb, that's a great looking setup and way more akin to what my overnight 
> setups look like. Even with a basic camp setup I never figure out how 
> everyone else crams everything in just two bags. You should see my winter 
> setup :-X
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:34 AM UTC-5 Arb Sklansky wrote:
>
>> [image: 180E21B0-7CAF-432E-9C05-CD7CA263A11D.jpeg]
>> This is my Gus in bikepacking mode 
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:16:13 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.
>>>
>>> I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to 
>>> spend several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your 
>>> travels ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
>>> , near Tallahassee, is 
>>> definitely worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, 
>>> and riding there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know 
>>> about. But a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink 
>>> holes is a very cool.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:

 https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
 https://alafiatrails.com/
 https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway

 Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of 
 those areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.

 From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
 -Scott

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the 
> "bag 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough 
> spare 
> rack struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only 
> thing I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from 
> McMaster) 
> for the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As 
> I'm sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock 
> solid, and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe 
> there's a slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but 
> it's honestly hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount 
> for rack struts.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my 
>> wife and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria 
>> Island. It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the 
>> Tampa 
>> Bay / St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to 
>> get to it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and 
>> our 
>> bikes and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, 
>> so 
>> we kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on 
>> our 
>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes 
>> out 
>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do 
>> those 
>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan 
>> is 
>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are 
>>> you planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to 
>>> check 
>>> out down there.
>>>
>>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, 
>>> and there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe 
>>> Penninsula  in early 
>>> January, but I've barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my 
>>> gear, 
>>> and I'd have to get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame 
>>> bag 
>>> on my Jones, and I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers 
>>> might be in order, so maybe just a 

[RBW] Re: For sale: New Randi Jo wool cap, wool baselayers

[Eric Marth]

Grey smartwool is sold. 

I noticed two small holes on the cuffs of the black shirt, about 1/8" in 
diameter. Open to offers. 

On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:37 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Randi Jo cap is sold. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Pat Smith]

Arb, that's a great looking setup and way more akin to what my overnight 
setups look like. Even with a basic camp setup I never figure out how 
everyone else crams everything in just two bags. You should see my winter 
setup :-X

Smitty in DC

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:34 AM UTC-5 Arb Sklansky wrote:

> [image: 180E21B0-7CAF-432E-9C05-CD7CA263A11D.jpeg]
> This is my Gus in bikepacking mode 
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:16:13 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.
>>
>> I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to spend 
>> several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your travels 
>> ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
>> , near Tallahassee, is definitely 
>> worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, and riding 
>> there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know about. But 
>> a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink holes is a very 
>> cool.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:
>>>
>>> https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
>>> https://alafiatrails.com/
>>> https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway
>>>
>>> Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
>>> areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.
>>>
>>> From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
>>> -Scott
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 
 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare 
 rack 
 struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
 I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
 the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
 sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
 and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
 slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's 
 honestly 
 hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack 
 struts.

 -Brian

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my 
> wife and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria 
> Island. It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the 
> Tampa 
> Bay / St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to 
> get to it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and 
> our 
> bikes and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, 
> so 
> we kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do 
> those 
> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are 
>> you planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check 
>> out down there.
>>
>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, 
>> and there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe 
>> Penninsula  in early January, 
>> but I've barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and 
>> I'd 
>> have to get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my 
>> Jones, and I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might 
>> be 
>> in order, so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there 
>> somewhere 
>> will scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of