Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[DavidP]

These quick link pliers 

 
are a good deal too.

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:01:50 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Man! $7, from Rivendell! I don't mind paying Rivendell prices for top 
> quality merchandise, but Rivendell is not a discount store and $7 is a 
> price I'd find low at Target. Must put together a shopping list for 
> Rivendell.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:57 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Yep - I ordered one from Soma 
>> 
>>  
>> for a similar price.
>>
>> -Dave
>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:53:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I thought, "Typo!" but the copy gives an even lower price: $6 and talks 
>>> of inferior substitutes 4 and 12 times more.
>>>
>>> I don't need one since I have all sorts of cup 'n' cone tools including 
>>> the very nice VAR lockring pliers, but I'm tempted to buy one just because 
>>> it costs $7. Or $6. 
>>>
>>> But I'm afraid if I order I'll find that they missed a decimal point.
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm or correct?
>>>
>>> *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable Lock Ring Wrench*
>>>
>>> Home / Tools 
>>> / *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable 
>>> Lock Ring Wrench*
>>>
>>>
>>> Regular price $7.00 USD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> ---
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[RBW] Re: FS: Silver 26.8 Seatpost - Stock Rivendell Kind

[Johnny Alien]

Sold

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 11:43:48 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> My effort to not stockpile anymore is continuing. I replaced my stock 26.8 
> seatpost on my protogallop and now it can go to a new home. These are very 
> nice seatpost actually. There is a decent amount of setback and they look 
> great. Not Nitto great but they aren't Nitto priced either. Velo Orange 
> sells them under the Daija name. This one is essentially like new. Very 
> good shape. All I want is $20 to cover the shipping costs to you. I wish it 
> was cheaper but with the longer box and higher shipping costs it is what it 
> is. But hey...Its a great seatpost that fits Rivendells weird size and it's 
> only $20. Here is a link to the Velo Orange page for them.
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/seatposts/products/dajia-one-bolt-post?variant=50647477959
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[RBW] Re: LF/WTB 26.6 Single Bolt Seatpost

[Mike Godwin]

Thanks folks
Seat pillar saddle attachment thing found. 

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 2:30:23 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Folks, 
> Cross-post on ibob list.  
>
> Looking for a 26.6 seat post for a Bridgestone 200 mixte build. Does not 
> need to be show quality, functional one bolt design. All aluminum desirable.
> Thanks
> Mike SLO CA 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[Patrick Moore]

Man! $7, from Rivendell! I don't mind paying Rivendell prices for top
quality merchandise, but Rivendell is not a discount store and $7 is a
price I'd find low at Target. Must put together a shopping list for
Rivendell.

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:57 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Yep - I ordered one from Soma
> 
> for a similar price.
>
> -Dave
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:53:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I thought, "Typo!" but the copy gives an even lower price: $6 and talks
>> of inferior substitutes 4 and 12 times more.
>>
>> I don't need one since I have all sorts of cup 'n' cone tools including
>> the very nice VAR lockring pliers, but I'm tempted to buy one just because
>> it costs $7. Or $6.
>>
>> But I'm afraid if I order I'll find that they missed a decimal point.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm or correct?
>>
>> *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable Lock Ring Wrench*
>>
>> Home / Tools
>> / *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable
>> Lock Ring Wrench*
>>
>>
>> Regular price $7.00 USD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[DavidP]

Yep - I ordered one from Soma 

 
for a similar price.

-Dave
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:53:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I thought, "Typo!" but the copy gives an even lower price: $6 and talks of 
> inferior substitutes 4 and 12 times more.
>
> I don't need one since I have all sorts of cup 'n' cone tools including 
> the very nice VAR lockring pliers, but I'm tempted to buy one just because 
> it costs $7. Or $6. 
>
> But I'm afraid if I order I'll find that they missed a decimal point.
>
> Can anyone confirm or correct?
>
> *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable Lock Ring Wrench*
>
> Home / Tools 
> / *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable 
> Lock Ring Wrench*
>
>
> Regular price $7.00 USD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[Patrick Moore]

I thought, "Typo!" but the copy gives an even lower price: $6 and talks of
inferior substitutes 4 and 12 times more.

I don't need one since I have all sorts of cup 'n' cone tools including the
very nice VAR lockring pliers, but I'm tempted to buy one just because it
costs $7. Or $6.

But I'm afraid if I order I'll find that they missed a decimal point.

Can anyone confirm or correct?

*Hobson-Zingo Adjustable Lock Ring Wrench*

Home / Tools
/ *Hobson-Zingo Adjustable Lock
Ring Wrench*


Regular price $7.00 USD









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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[Greg J]

Most of this is coming from (pretty foggy) memory:  I believe there are 
Wford built Atlantises from a period when Riv had issues sourcing Toyo 
frames.  At least at the time, WF was using its own proprietary dropouts- 
the svelte ones with a curve on the insider triangle, compared to the more 
generic ones that Toyo used at that time, so that's one "tell."  (But 
later, Riv must have licensed or bought similar dropouts and stamped them 
Rivendell, so visually this may not be helpful.)  And all WF frames have 
WF's running serial numbers, so that's a sure way to tell.  

Greg

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:32:31 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Here's another one showing the curve of the Toyo chainstays well.  It has 
> the same round lugs, which are like the blue and later Rambouillets.  That 
> would make sense, as these were the first two production frames and 
> contemporaries, both made at Toyo.  
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc161-garyrogers0906.html
>
> So maybe the "small" pointed lugs, which also appeared on the orange 
> Rambouillets, indicate the oldest Atlanti?  Like this:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc763-jayscheiner0410.html
>
> Likewise, maybe the "big" pointy lugs are slightly  later.  They would 
> have been shared with the Saluki, which came slightly later than the Ram 
> and Atlantis.  Like this:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc446-willcarey0208.html
>
> Obviously  lots of good images on the Cyclofiend site, for analyzing 
> this.  I think contributions/updates sort of tapered off around the same 
> time as the switch to Taiwanese production, right Jim?:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:25:32 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> One of the difficulties in identifying builder/age is that there were 
>> running changes right from the beginning. 
>>
>>  I think you can pretty safely identify the Toyo frames by the shape of 
>> the chainstays.  They had a graceful S-shape, with a curve behind the 
>> bottom bracket for tire clearance; then a straighter section  more-or-less 
>> parallel, for foot/crank clearance;  then curving out again before meeting 
>> the rear dropout at 135mm width.   Slightly newer frames had more 
>> common-shaped j-shaped stays that angled straight to the dropout after the 
>> first bend.  I'm not sure what builders did what though, or if later Toyo 
>> frames changed.
>>
>> The very earliest Atlanti would have had an RC-1 crown, with the 
>> triangular window.
>>
>> The lugs are more of a crapshoot.  Here's one that has the 
>> above-described chainstays and fork crown, but has rounded lugs instead of 
>> one of the two pointy styles I'd always thought were used from the earliest:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc412-clivestandley1207.html
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:47:46 PM UTC-6 MisterMo wrote:
>>
>>> Was there ever a Waterford Atlantis?  How can one tell the difference 
>>> between a Toyo Atlantis and any others?  ie, is the 'pointy' lugged 
>>> Atlantis Toyo built?  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
 which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
 knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
 trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to 
 neck 
 injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
 my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
 with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 

 My summarization would be: 

 For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
 similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
 clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 

 For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
 their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
 bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
 characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
 "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
 good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
 tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
 larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 

 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 
> 3 years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I 
> have 
> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
> commuting. The current 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[maxcr]

Doug, 
The shiftmate is needed for the Campagnolo Record Brifters, I ran a similar 
setup in my AHH (it came like that when I bought it) and it worked well. If 
I didn't have too many bikes already, I'd be all over it.
Max

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> This Saluki seems pretty sweet, only weirdness is Campy Ergopower and 
> Shimano derailleurs matched up with a Shift Mate...
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> == 
>>
>>
>> SALUKI
>>
>> 62cm
>>
>> 1550
>>
>> Hercules, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hercules-rivendell-saluki-650b-62cm/7615055602.html
>>
>>
>> == 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Doug Van Cleve]

This Saluki seems pretty sweet, only weirdness is Campy Ergopower and
Shimano derailleurs matched up with a Shift Mate...

Doug

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ==
>
>
> SALUKI
>
> 62cm
>
> 1550
>
> Hercules, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hercules-rivendell-saluki-650b-62cm/7615055602.html
>
>
> ==
>

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[RBW] FS: Saddles - Selle Anatomica H2 Al Rails (+ Saddle Sauce) and Brooks Cambium C17

[Ed Carolipio]

FS: Saddles - Selle Anatomica H2 Al Rails (+ Saddle Sauce) and Brooks 
Cambium C17

Selling a couple of saddles which may be of interest to the group. Price 
includes tracked shipping in CONUS, and prefer transactions via Paypal G 
(I'll cover the fees).


   - 
   
   Selle Anatomica H2 Saddle (Oxblood Silver, cast aluminum frame) plus 
   Saddle Sauce (opened) - treated with saddle sauce; bought new but barely 
   ridden since the flared sides just didn't work with my thighs - $100
   - 
   
   Brooks Cambium C17 in Black - Not really super black: the saddle 
   developed a white powdery finish in the rubber which doesn't affect its 
   performance but does look ... odd.  - $70
   

Google Drive URL for pictures:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RzUTzql6zbvbKj9YrwsuskjroxRSWRGE?usp=sharing

Please contact me off list if interested or have any questions.

Thanks,

Ed C.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Bill Lindsay]

What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
measurer, and that it's a 58.  

How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
> TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>
> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this 
> a custom?
>
> Eliot
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Julian Westerhout]

Eliot, 

If it is local to you and that's near your preferred size go take a look -- 
 many people do not accurately measure bike frames when selling them. The 
joy of a local sale is that you can go look at it ride, it, examine it, 
and, if you want, measure it yourself -- all of which will tell you much 
more than we folks on the internet without photos or knowledge of the bike 
could ever do!:) 

Julian "Happy Toyo Atlantis owner" Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 12:07:29 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
> TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>
> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this 
> a custom?
>
> Eliot
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Eliot B]

There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 

This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this a 
custom?

Eliot

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Re: [RBW] Please Join us: Riv Ride, Yankee Springs in Hastings, Michigan

[Leah Peterson]

Reminder: Next Saturday is our first Unofficial Riv Ride of the season! If you plan to come, I’d love to know who we’re expecting ahead of time. You can say so in the comments. I can’t wait to see you and your beautiful bikes.———Hi Riv Friends,Spring is here and it is time to announce our first Michigan Riv Ride of the season. Bring your favorite Rivendell to downtown Hastings, Michigan (parking lot behind Waldorff’s) on May 13th at 10:30 am for a ride with other Riv owners. We have a 35-40 mile route planned through beautiful Yankee Springs, and will end where we began, in downtown Hastings. Join us at the lovely Waldorff Brewpub where we will convene after, for food and drinks. https://www.walldorffbrewpub.com/storyThe road is gravel, so consider that when choosing what tires you’re running. If we get rained out, the ride will be rescheduled for May 27th, same time. This ride is not affiliated with Rivendell Bicycle Works; it is a meeting of like-minded riders who will probably ride Rivs. Ride at your own risk.We are so excited to see you there! Leah Peterson and Marc IrwinSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:I was thinking Yankee Springs? I am thinking of driving over on Friday to ride the trail & camp @ Yankee? Short drive to Hastings Saturday morning.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2023, at 9:58 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:There is a nice single track course near the Deep Lake rustic campground.  It's one of my favorite destinations for a weekend out of the house.MarcOn Friday, April 21, 2023 at 3:28:12 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Not only does this ride sound like a blast, but it also affords the opportunity to ride some nearby singletrack. Might have to make a weekend out of this one.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 21, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Hi Riv Friends,Spring is here and it is time to announce our first Michigan Riv Ride. Bring your favorite Rivendell to downtown Hastings, Michigan (parking lot to be determined) on May 13th at 10:30 am for a ride with other Riv owners. We have a 35-40 mile route planned through beautiful Yankee Springs, and will end where we began, in downtown Hastings. Join us at the lovely Waldorff Brewpub where we will convene after for food and drinks. https://www.walldorffbrewpub.com/storyThe road is gravel, so consider that when choosing what tires you’re running. If we get rained out, the ride will be rescheduled for May 27th, same time. This ride is not affiliated with Rivendell Bicycle Works; it is a meeting of like-minded riders who will probably ride Rivs. Ride at your own risk.We are so excited to see you there! Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin



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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[iamkeith]

Here's another one showing the curve of the Toyo chainstays well.  It has 
the same round lugs, which are like the blue and later Rambouillets.  That 
would make sense, as these were the first two production frames and 
contemporaries, both made at Toyo.  

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc161-garyrogers0906.html

So maybe the "small" pointed lugs, which also appeared on the orange 
Rambouillets, indicate the oldest Atlanti?  Like this:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc763-jayscheiner0410.html

Likewise, maybe the "big" pointy lugs are slightly  later.  They would have 
been shared with the Saluki, which came slightly later than the Ram and 
Atlantis.  Like this:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc446-willcarey0208.html

Obviously  lots of good images on the Cyclofiend site, for analyzing this.  
I think contributions/updates sort of tapered off around the same time as 
the switch to Taiwanese production, right Jim?:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html


On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:25:32 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> One of the difficulties in identifying builder/age is that there were 
> running changes right from the beginning. 
>
>  I think you can pretty safely identify the Toyo frames by the shape of 
> the chainstays.  They had a graceful S-shape, with a curve behind the 
> bottom bracket for tire clearance; then a straighter section  more-or-less 
> parallel, for foot/crank clearance;  then curving out again before meeting 
> the rear dropout at 135mm width.   Slightly newer frames had more 
> common-shaped j-shaped stays that angled straight to the dropout after the 
> first bend.  I'm not sure what builders did what though, or if later Toyo 
> frames changed.
>
> The very earliest Atlanti would have had an RC-1 crown, with the 
> triangular window.
>
> The lugs are more of a crapshoot.  Here's one that has the above-described 
> chainstays and fork crown, but has rounded lugs instead of one of the two 
> pointy styles I'd always thought were used from the earliest:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc412-clivestandley1207.html
>
>
> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:47:46 PM UTC-6 MisterMo wrote:
>
>> Was there ever a Waterford Atlantis?  How can one tell the difference 
>> between a Toyo Atlantis and any others?  ie, is the 'pointy' lugged 
>> Atlantis Toyo built?  
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
>>> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
>>> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
>>> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
>>> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
>>> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
>>> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>>>
>>> My summarization would be: 
>>>
>>> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
>>> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
>>> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>>>
>>> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
>>> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
>>> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
>>> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
>>> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
>>> good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
>>> tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
>>> larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>>
 I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 
 3 years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
 repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I 
 have 
 owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
 commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
 Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
 been fun to compare the two bikes. 

 Atlantis
 I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done 
 several loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At 
 least not for recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's 
 time to go play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - 
 Road, Frank Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. 
 It seems to handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when 
 descending hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring 
 and when I travel. (This is a 

[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[iamkeith]

One of the difficulties in identifying builder/age is that there were 
running changes right from the beginning. 

 I think you can pretty safely identify the Toyo frames by the shape of the 
chainstays.  They had a graceful S-shape, with a curve behind the bottom 
bracket for tire clearance; then a straighter section  more-or-less 
parallel, for foot/crank clearance;  then curving out again before meeting 
the rear dropout at 135mm width.   Slightly newer frames had more 
common-shaped j-shaped stays that angled straight to the dropout after the 
first bend.  I'm not sure what builders did what though, or if later Toyo 
frames changed.

The very earliest Atlanti would have had an RC-1 crown, with the triangular 
window.

The lugs are more of a crapshoot.  Here's one that has the above-described 
chainstays and fork crown, but has rounded lugs instead of one of the two 
pointy styles I'd always thought were used from the earliest:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc412-clivestandley1207.html


On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:47:46 PM UTC-6 MisterMo wrote:

> Was there ever a Waterford Atlantis?  How can one tell the difference 
> between a Toyo Atlantis and any others?  ie, is the 'pointy' lugged 
> Atlantis Toyo built?  
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
>> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
>> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
>> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to neck 
>> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
>> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
>> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>>
>> My summarization would be: 
>>
>> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
>> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
>> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>>
>> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
>> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
>> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
>> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
>> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
>> good about 80s mountain bikes and improved it. Longer wheelbases and top 
>> tubes. Better steering geometry. Higher head tubes. More clearance for 
>> larger tires. Lots of braze on options for racks and bags. etc. 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 61cm Toyo-built Atlantis. I had not ridden the bike for about 3 
>>> years due to some unexpected life change circumstances and then a 
>>> repaint/rebuild. I also have a latest-generation 57cm Appaloosa that I have 
>>> owned and ridden during those 3 years for recreation, errands, and 
>>> commuting. The current generation MIT Atlantis is very similar to 
>>> Appaloosa.   I recently got the Atlantis back from a repaint, and it has 
>>> been fun to compare the two bikes. 
>>>
>>> Atlantis
>>> I have ridden this bike for recreation, commuting, and have done several 
>>> loaded tours on it. I like it a lot, I *don't LOVE* it. At least not 
>>> for recreational riding. I tend to grab something else when it's time to go 
>>> play.  (I also own Rivendell: Custom - All Rounder, Custom - Road, Frank 
>>> Jones, HubbuHubbuH, Platypus) Tire widths have ranged 35-48mm. It seems to 
>>> handle a lot better with the wider tires, particularly when descending 
>>> hills on gravel. It *IS *my go to bike for loaded touring and when I 
>>> travel. (This is a weird combination of opposing purposes that I am 
>>> constantly struggling with.) I prefer the position of drop bars and 
>>> appreciate multiple hand options for multi-day rides and long hours in the 
>>> saddle. The more "aerodynamic" position is something MUCH appreciated for 
>>> those eventual day-long headwinds. The bike does have toe overlap with the 
>>> fenders, but this has never been a big deal for me. For the most part, I 
>>> would have a hard time telling you which of my bikes did/didn't.
>>> [image: Atlantis Full.png]
>>>
>>> Appaloosa
>>> I bought the Appaloosa as the keep-handy grab-n-go bike. My confidence 
>>> in upright handlebars was bolstered by the experience of riding and touring 
>>> on the HubbuHubbuH. I like the Bosco bars way more than I expected I ever 
>>> would.  I keep the Appaloosa parked in front of the car making it an easy 
>>> choice for errands and commuting. Unexpectedly, I have found myself riding 
>>> the Appaloosa for recreation too.  The bike rides much "lighter" and 
>>> "faster" than I expected it would.  If I hadn't just got the Atlantis ready 
>>> for summer touring, I would like to try 

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[Doug Van Cleve]

The OG Atlantis was a production frameset made in Japan by Toyo, based on
the Allrounder, which was first made by Waterford then some other builders
RBW used for a bit.  Not sure about lug variations in the Toyo Atlantis,
but other than color and name it is a completely different bike than that
current MIT version.  The Toyos are relatively conventional, not super long
like the current ones.  I'm pretty sure the Toyos never had any kind of
double "top tube" like many of the larger MITs did/do...

Doug

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 11:51 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> The "2" was on the first Atlantii, to acknowledge that the name had been
> used in the past by Bridgestone
>
> I have the old Atlantis page yonder -
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>
> There are a few scans of the pertinent flyers.
>
> J
> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:47:45 AM UTC-7 MisterMo wrote:
>
>> Is there a place to go to get Atlantis history and updates over the
>> years? ie, was there a Waterford Atlantis? Atlantis to Atlantis2 was? Did
>> Toyo produce Atlanti with both the roundy lugs and the pointy lugs?  How
>> does one tell the difference between Toyo, MIT and Wford? etc, etc. Thanks
>> for pointing me to a place with this info (or providing it here).
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[J Schwartz]

not sure if this was linked to already 
the elusive canti-rom on I bob...63cm
https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/MkwqEpMLm98/m/cRhR71WqAQAJ

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 10:56:29 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> A. HOMER HILSEN (Toyo)
>
> 61cm
>
> 2400
>
> Carlsbad, CA
>
>
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-fs-61-cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7601518125.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> APPALOOSA
>
> 56cm
>
> 2000
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> ATLANTIS 2
>
> 59cm
>
> 2600
>
> Tacoma, WA
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> CHEVIOT
>
> Large
>
> 2500
>
> Chicago, IL
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/clarendon-hills-rivendell-cheviot/7606457742.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> CLEMS!
>
>
> Clem Smith H
>
> 52cm
>
> 950
>
> Columbus, OH
>
>
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/bik/d/columbus-52cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7613412364.html
>
>
> Clem Smith L
>
> 52cm
>
> 800
>
> Brooklyn, NY
>
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-52-cm/7617524349.html
>
>
> Clem Smith L
>
> 59cm
>
> 2250
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7604574423.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> GUS BOOTS WILLSEN
>
> 54cm
>
> 4500
>
> Sheepshead Bay, NY
>
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-bicycle-works-gus/7613498712.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> LEGOLAS
>
> 59cm
>
> 3400
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> PLATYPUS
>
> 55cm
>
> 2400
>
> Ft. Collins, CO
>
>
> https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/bik/d/fort-collins-2021-rivendell-platypus/7616336674.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> ROADINI
>
> 61cm
>
> 2300
>
> Asheville, NC
>
>
> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7608896147.html
>
>
> 61cm (orange!)
>
> 2200
>
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> SALUKI
>
> 62cm
>
> 1550
>
> Hercules, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hercules-rivendell-saluki-650b-62cm/7615055602.html
>
>
> ==
>
>
> SAM HILLBORNE
>
> 48cm
>
> 2500
>
> Willow Glen, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7613752659.html
>
>
> 53cm
>
> 1700
>
> Atlanta, GA
>
>
> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/gainesville-rivendell-hillborne/7614929897.html
>
>
> 58cm
>
> 2500
>
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-sam-hillborne-58-cm/7615930086.html
>
>
> 62cm
>
> 2000
>
> Northampton, MA
>
>
> https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7600621142.html
>

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