Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Matt,

That FD works excellent for me on a Crust Canti Romanceur (130mm rear hub 
spacing) running 44-34-24 Silver crank and 110mm BB. I had to mount the FD 
higher than I wanted to clear a pretty tall chainstay when on the smallest 
ring so the gap between the cage and 44T ring is pretty big (~5mm).

Details on the drivetrain - FD: IRD Alpina on a Problem Solvers FD mount 
adapter; Crankset: Silver with 44T Dimension outer (ramped and pinned), 34T 
Origin middle, and 24T Silver inner; BB: Shimano 68x110; RD: Altus RD 
M-301; Chain: KMC X9; Cassette: Shimano HG 11-36; Shifters: Silver1 mounted 
on the downtube.

--Ed C.
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>
> RD: Shimano Deore M591
> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
> 9sp chain
>
> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>
> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
> Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>
> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Matt with the 44-34-24 & in need of a new FD*

I suggest a Shimano Sora FD-R3030b, a 9speed triple designed for a 45mm 
front chainline.  You can still buy these at Universal Cycles for about $30

Universal Cycles -- Shimano FD-R3030 Sora Triple Front Derailleur - 9 Speed 
[EFDR3030X, EFDR3030F] 

.

Amazon has them for $28.

I use it with a Sugino TD-2 46-36-26 triple with 130mm OLD rear hub, 
Shimano HG-400 12-36T- 9 cassette and a Shimano Deore RD-M591.  My front 
chain line is 44.1mm and rear is 43.6mm (middle cog).  Shifts great.   It 
has a nice, standard bottom pull mechanism, no lever arm bending the cable 
to the stop as used on the dual pull designs.

A 1980's Shimano Deore MT-60 (a triple) also shifts great.  

Your Altus should work.  The only problem is IF it was designed for a 50mm 
front chainline, there may not be enough LOW stop adjustment to shift to 
the Inner ring.  Found this out with a Shimano FD-M781 with setup described 
above.  The Sora cleared this up.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Crankset and chainrings:
>
> SIlver 173
> 44 x 34 x 24
>
>
> [image: 665_1857.JPG]
>
> Crank - Silver - Triple 44x34x24 
> 
> rivbike.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> Modern triple FDs are designed for a specific combination of chainrings. 
> For example, the IRD FD in the photo is an exact copy of the Shimano 9 
> speed Ultegra Triple and 105 Triple FDs. Probably made by the same company 
> that made it for Shimano. The bottom edges of the derailleur plates are 
> properly spaced for the 10 tooth difference between the outer and middle 
> chainrings of the Ultegra and 105 9 speed triple cranksets; 52 and 42 teeth 
> respectively. When properly installed, the bottom edges of the derailleur 
> will be about 1mm to 2mm above the tips of the chainring teeth when 
> shifting between the outer and middle rings. So this FD only shifts well if 
> the middle and outer rings have a 10 tooth difference. If, for example, 
> they have a 12 tooth difference, and you have the FD high enough for the 
> outer plate to clear the outer chainring, the inner plate will have a 
> larger gap to the middle ring and the shift from the inner ring will not be 
> good. With a 14 tooth difference, it's hopeless. You'll have to over-shift 
> to get the chain cleanly onto the middle chainring.
>
> So, to answer the original question, we need to know what chainring sizes 
> are on the crankset in question.
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
>> recommend a good front derailleur?
>>
>> Here’s my existing setup:
>>
>> Appaloosa
>> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
>> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
>> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>>
>> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
>> with the bike.
>>
>> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
>> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
>> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>>
>> Thanks, everyone.
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
>>> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
>>> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
>>> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
>>> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
>>> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>>>
>>> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
>>> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
>>> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
>>> and selling these.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

It's a copy of the late-'90s Shimano 105 9-speed triple that Riv put on 
most of their bikes for many years. I think it'll be fine. 

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>
> RD: Shimano Deore M591
> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
> 9sp chain
>
> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>
> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
> Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>
> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:

RD: Shimano Deore M591
Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
9sp chain

I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.

Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?

https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020

(It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Champion Special, black, mostly new

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:35:01 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> One. Oh. Five. Shipped. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 9:46:51 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> $110 shipped 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:55:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Typos are fun. 
>>> "same reason"
>>> 'gold rivets"
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:53:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Bought from a member recently as new-never-ridden but didn't have the 
 original box, I put one coat of Obenauf's on the top and rode it a few 
 times for a few miles but mostly it just hung around cuz I'm usually on my 
 Riv with its own B17. I'm cutting down my bike count again for sale reason 
 - I'm always on the Riv! - so don't need this. Black with gold 
 hand-hammered rivers, gold rails. Holler for more pics. 

 $115 shipped 
 PayPal, Venmo, check

 Thanks,
 Joe Bernard

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Jay Lonner]

> My Cheviot and Charlie are setup with the same drive train almost: 46/30 
> double in front and 11-40 9 or 10 speed cassette in back with friction 
> shifting and clutch derailers (GRX rx810 on the Charlie, SRAM GX long on the 
> Cheviot). I should write a whole post about the wonderful discovery of the 
> GRX RX810, it's what every bike I've ever had was missing for a rock solid 
> drivetrain. 

I’d be interested in hearing more about your (or anybody else’s) experiences 
with this derailer.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

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[RBW] Re: FS Parts for your spring/summer projects

[Drew Fitchette]

Updated list of what's still available Below:

Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette *SOLD*

Gevenalle GX 1X11 Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and 
SRAM Deraileurs $150

Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 27.2mm, 
300mm, Silver *PENDING*

microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With Clutch 
*SOLD*

Wolf Tooth Headset Spacer 5 Pack, 10mm, Silver $10

RaceFace Narrow-Wide Direct Mount Cinch Chainring Aluminum Black 36T 
*PENDING*

Shimano BB-RS500 Hollowtech II English Bottom Bracket $10

RaceFace Aeffect Crankset - 175mm, Direct Mount CINCH, RaceFace EXI Spindle 
Interface, Black $80

SHIMANO Flat Pedals PD-EF202 MTB, Silver, 9/16, EPDEF202S $20

Can send photos of any items you wish to see, but all in like New condition 
from a build that I ended up going a different direction on.

Happy to ship anywhere you like!

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> *PRICE DROPS and ADDED Items:*
>
> Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette $30
>
> Gevenalle GX 1X11 Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and 
> SRAM Deraileurs $150
>
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 27.2mm, 
> 300mm, Silver $30
>
> microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With Clutch 
> $35
>
> Wolf Tooth Headset Spacer 5 Pack, 10mm, Silver $10
>
> RaceFace Narrow-Wide Direct Mount Cinch Chainring Aluminum Black 36T $35
>
> Shimano BB-RS500 Hollowtech II English Bottom Bracket $10
>
> RaceFace Aeffect Crankset - 175mm, Direct Mount CINCH, RaceFace EXI 
> Spindle Interface, Black $80
>
> SHIMANO Flat Pedals PD-EF202 MTB, Silver, 9/16, EPDEF202S $20
>
> Can send photos of any items you wish to see, but all in like New 
> condition from a build that I ended up going a different direction on.
>
> Happy to ship anywhere you like!
>
> - Drew
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:21:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> I'll add here after some confusion(my bad!) that the Gevenalle are fora 
>> 1x set up. So shifter on the right Brifter only! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 2:28:54 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Joining the folks who are clearing out things as I've finished my 
>>> Atlantis and rebuilding my wife's Schwinn Crosscut.
>>>
>>> Here's some stuff I've got no use for:
>>>
>>> Shimano SLX CS-M7000 11 Speed 11-42t Cassette $40
>>>
>>> Gevenalle GX Long Pull Brifters – Compatible with 11sp Shimano and SRAM 
>>> Deraileurs $160
>>>
>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Long Setback Seatpost MKII: 30.2mm Setback, 
>>> 27.2mm, 300mm, Silver $40
>>>
>>> microSHIFT XCD Rear Derailleur - 11-Speed, Medium Cage, Black, With 
>>> Clutch $45
>>>
>>> Email me directly if you have interest in any of this stuff, I'm in 
>>> Atlanta but can ship anywhere if you pay for it! 
>>>
>>> - Drew
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Piaw Na]

One consideration for credit-card touring is that with the long chainstays 
the bike will be harder to pack into a bike case for flying on an airline. 
That was the consideration that tipped me towards the Roadini over the A 
Homer Hilsen. 

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[RBW] FS: Quickbeam 62 cm complete $1600

[John G.]

Howdy, Bunch!

It's been a while. I've been busy with my toddler and my newborn and my 
riding time has really scaled back. It will return to normal in the future, 
but in the meantime, I'm moving on a few things from my stable, including 
my nicely-appointed 62cm Green Quickbeam. 

- Phil Wood hubs laced to Dyads (Riv-built, I think)
- Paul cantis
- the Sugino double crankset with chain guard they typically spec'd on 
early builds
- old school mustache bars, shellacked with newbaums. The tape is excellent 
shape.
- Rene Herse 35mm tires with less than 200 miles on them
- pretty new chain and cog. Maybe about ~500 miles
- Nitto seatpost. 

Saddle height in pics is ~79.5 cm. Paint is in great shape, aside from a 
scratch on the top tube. No dings or dents. I'll ship it in the box from my 
2021 Homer. If you want to calculate shipping costs, I'm in the metro NYC 
area in NJ.

Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/7swum9qT2XEb3ubA9

John


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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Steve]

Thanks Abe!  You've helped me put another check in my Charlie column.  I
ride a Ritchey Outback for the rough stuff, so it's definitely a roadish
bike I'm looking for.  Enjoyed the pics.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:50 AM Pancake  wrote:

> Photos of Cheviot, Charlie, Sam Hillborne, Rosco Baby Bike, Gus, a Homer
> .
>
> I've ridden a 60cm Cheviot (my first Riv) for over 5 years and the 57cm
> Charlie prototype for just over a year and around 1,750 miles of commuting,
> hills around Napa, and occasional dirt bits of single and double track.
> I'll be taking my Rosco Baby bike out to Nevada City for some mountain
> biking this weekend though that's normally has the tamer child carting work
> it's built for. My PBH is 84.5cm and I'm 6'0", around 230lbs.
>
> My Cheviot and Charlie are setup with the same drive train almost: 46/30
> double in front and 11-40 9 or 10 speed cassette in back with friction
> shifting and clutch derailers (GRX rx810 on the Charlie, SRAM GX long on
> the Cheviot). *I should write a whole post about the wonderful discovery
> of the GRX RX810, it's what every bike I've ever had was missing for a rock
> solid drivetrain. *
>
> I've ridden a Sam Hillborne for maybe 3 years too - but the Charlie is
> replacing it (watch for a double top tube 56cm Hillborne to be for sale
> soon). Though they're not the same (the Charlie is longer, swoopier, and
> flexier) the Cheviot is setup to for mostly commuting while the Sam was my
> bike for longer, sometimes faster rides. I mostly had it with drop bars but
> received it with Boscos and ultimately switched to Mustache bars.
>
> *The Cheviot and Charlie don't cross over in some important way, but to
> start with the similarities:*
> 1. Mine are both orange. Just the luck of the draw.
> 2. They're both long ... nearly the same length surprisingly. This makes
> for a smoothed out ride I really enjoy.
> 3. They both feel best with upright bars - drop bars on the Charlie were
> good and comfy like on the Sam, but the Charlie is just more comfortable
> with more upright bars and I wouldn't say that about the Sam.
> 4. They'll both have sidepull brakes - this is a downside for me as I want
> for the stopping power of v-brakes and only the mighty Proto-Charlie has
> them ... and the Platypus!
>
>
> *But Charlie and the Chev are different in important ways for me:*a. Need
> Charlie's v-brakes, just a personal thing. The Cheviot's sidepull r559 with
> salmon or gray (e-bike) Koolstop or Yokozuna pads are great, but not enough
> for the steep downhills of dirt I want the Cheviot to be able to take on a
> whim. They fall just short, same for my Sam (though since then others have
> come with canti-posts).
> b. Charlie flexes a bit as you take off with all your might! It's a pretty
> quick road bike and it feels great over long stretches. The Cheviot (and a
> friend's platypus I rode) are both a bit more sturdy - in fact they'd bee
> more trustworthy on more mountain bike single track than the Charlie just
> based on feel. The Cheviot or Platypus (or best of all as it's more
> affordable but less swoopy, the Rosco-Plat) are more better for bigger
> tires (the Cheviot and Charlie top out of 50mm fenderless, but the Platypus
> can take more, about 56cm / 2.2" according to Riv). That said, since my
> Cheviot is setup with 42mm Basketball tires and fenders, while the Charlie
> is set with 44mm Snoqualmie pass (and until recently, 50mm Schwalbe g-one
> All-round) tires and it more likely to see a long stretch of gravel than
> the Cheviot. If one would become more dedicated to mountain bike rides I'd
> pick the Cheviot though. of Cherlie
> c. Cheviot is a huge Cadillac sedan, a yacht of a bike with creature
> comforts and fun for s240 with a basket and rear rack. Charlie is my ideal
> "country bike" that looks for gravel and dirt stretches or eats up comfy
> miles and fun speed, while the long chain stays still give a super smooth
> ride.
>
> Platypus has the rearward swoop like Charlie's top tube, and v-brakes like
> our Proto-Charlies ... makes a very tempting bike, great colors too.
> Rosco-Plat saves some couple hundred dollarydoos but loses the swoop.
> Charlie has side pull brakes which are great for many but not me,
> otherwise it's nearly my ideal country bike. I'd only like to have the
> option for up to 55mm tires, otherwise it's perfect. That said, I just
> switched from max'd out 50mm knobbie tires to 44mm smooth tread tires so
> maybe I just want what I can't have.
>
> "I do find Charlie's lines more fetching."
> I'd call plat vs. charlie styling a wash (because they're both great), but
> if you like top tube swoop it's gotta be Charlie. The Cheviot has a more
> straight link look, but's it's classy in a similar way but different style.
> I understand the production Charlie may have slightly less swoop though,
> perhaps someone knows better though. As is, the swoop in the top tube is
> great for dismounting while still rolling