Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[jaredwilson]

I appreciate everyone weighing in!

As expected I haven't received any interest in a sale or trade, so I looked 
into running the M1 on the rear and it seems like it will suffice for the 
time being. I'll have a better idea of it's functionality as time goes on 
but it seems promising, especially for utilizing something I already had on 
hand which is sorta the point of this build.

Thanks and if you want to sell an R10 I'm still listening :)

jared

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 4:11:27 PM UTC-7 Jason wrote:

> A month or so back, I also started looking for a Nitto R10 (for the Swift 
> Zeitgeist on my Sam). I put a line out on the FB Rivendell Buy Sell Trade 
> group, and ended up snagging a used one. About the same time as I listed 
> that inquiry, I reached out to Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, Illinois 
> (the local Riv dealer around here) and Sam found a new one through one 
> their trade partners shortly thereafter. I ended up going with the used 
> one, so it may be worth reaching out to Mack’s if nothing turns up here. 
> Just a thought!
>
>
> Jason
> Oak Park, IL
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> The burrito does look like it has a concave shape side-to-side.  But, 
>> realistically, you just need something to stabilize the bag - not support 
>> it with a full "platform," right?  This does cuts into tire or fender 
>> clearance though, i suppose.   It does NOT seem to have the angled-up part 
>> at the rear, which seems to me like it would work better with a 
>> flat-bottomed saddlesack.  But the front of the bag would still get 
>> scrunched in the middle, like Vince's that Dorothy posted.  That's the 
>> trouble I had.  It took away a lot of volume and seemed like it would rub 
>> through eventually, if stuffed regularly.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:49:53 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, I looked at the burrito but decided it was the same as a r10 but 
>>> with that “scooped” platform?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 2:43 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>> My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 
>>> working adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, 
>>> however I did find this neat alternative:
>>>
>>>
>>> Simworks burrito rack.
>>>
>>> https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
 couldn't.   

 That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that 
 are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under 
 the 
 saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
 mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, 
 and 
 strapped to the seatposti front.

 If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating 
 the two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.

 On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. 
> Ordered from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with 
> shipping 
> from Japan less $$ than domestic sources.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>
> Hey group,
>
>
> Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 
> to support it.
>
> Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or 
> purchase if need be.
>
> Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmail
>
> Thanks :)
>
> jared
>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[velomann]

Another vote here for Sugar Wheelworks. I build my own wheels, but started 
down that road when former owner Jude Kirstein taught me how in a class at 
Sugar. They're now part of Breadwinner Cycles, and the go-to source for 
quality hand-built wheels in Portland. 

Regarding rear hubs, I have 2 bikes running White Industry T11 hubs, one 
with easily over 50k miles on it, and they have been fantastic and 
maintenance-free. On the hub noise spectrum, I'd say they're slightly 
louder than my DT Swiss 350, but not as loud as my Hope Pro 4 or Pro 5 hubs 
(which I also love), and those aren't as loud as Chris King's "Angry Bees."

If you can find an XTR hub, those are among my favorite quality quiet hubs 
- I've built 2 rear XTR wheels on used hubs and they're pretty sweet and 
nearly silent.

Mike "Loud Hubs Save Lives" Mann

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
 either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
 had 
 wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
 coast and east coast respectively.

 I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
 Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
 Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
 of 
 my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
 couple 32s.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
> The 
> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
> many 
> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
> 40 
> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Ian A]

I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 overnight 
seems a good idea.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/

IanA
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
> the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
> use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[J Imler]

Try a pick. Worked for me on old Simplex stem shifter with likely original 
cables from 70’s.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:17:34 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
> the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
> use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with a
bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I
agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big
and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.

Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery
shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping
on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the
other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.

My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank with
long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm tires
(fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with a 67"
fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up minor
hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep up with
modest tailwinds.

You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not a
Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the
point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has
long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the
time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen
on it and demanded her own bike.



On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a
> Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have
> weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general
> age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started
> closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the
> Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they
> are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an
> infant sling.
>
> I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice
> not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just
> started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to
> ride to daycare.
>
> Eliot
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kushan,
>>
>> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to
>> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a
>> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>>
>> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike?
>> In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one
>> I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I
>> won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the
>> microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can
>> damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which
>> really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a
>> pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love
>> to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be
>> safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year.
>>
>> I’m sorry!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc
>>> did you use? Where did you ride?
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put it in 
the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I need to 
use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Michael Connors]

Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push it out


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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Eliot Balogh]

A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a
Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have
weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general
age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started
closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the
Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they
are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an
infant sling.

I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice
not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just
started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to
ride to daycare.

Eliot

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kushan,
>
> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to
> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a
> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>
> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In
> a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I
> could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t
> ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the
> microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can
> damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which
> really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a
> pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love
> to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be
> safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year.
>
> I’m sorry!
> Leah
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with
>> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did
>> you use? Where did you ride?
>>
>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Kushan,

Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to 
biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a 
bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.

Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In 
a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I 
could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t 
ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the 
microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can 
damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which 
really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a 
pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love 
to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be 
safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. 

I’m sorry!
Leah

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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[RBW] Stuck shifter cable head

[Pam Bikes]

I'm trying to remove a shift cable from a Silver bar end shifter.  The head 
is stuck and I can't get it out.  Any tips?  Otherwise I'll need to drill 
it out.
Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Babies on bikes

[Paul Richardson]

I had a very positive experience with the Thule Yepp Mini front-mounted 
seat for ~9 months to nearly two-years-old.  It pairs well with sweptback 
bars like Choco and Albatross, though I also used it with Wavie bars.  We 
definitely started before age one, no problem.  I ride big bikes, so 
there's plenty of space, but my wife also rides with it on her Choco'd 51cm 
Homer Hilsen and does just fine.  I've probably got a picture somewhere...

I had a very negative experience with the Hamax Caress (rear mounted) and 
do not recommend it.

With older kids, I think the Burley trailer is a great option.  I don't 
feel like it changes the ride feel *too* dramatically, and it's pretty 
simple to move from bike to bike (if there's more than one in your 
stable).  I wrecked once; the trailer flipped on its side, but my daughter 
was completely fine and just wanted to keep going.

I did find that both of my kids were super overstimulated by their first 
couple of rides on the Thule and starting with short, slow circles around 
the neighborhood was right for their temperaments.

Biking with kids is the best.  Start 'em young.

paul
takoma park, md.


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Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[Jason]

A month or so back, I also started looking for a Nitto R10 (for the Swift 
Zeitgeist on my Sam). I put a line out on the FB Rivendell Buy Sell Trade 
group, and ended up snagging a used one. About the same time as I listed 
that inquiry, I reached out to Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, Illinois 
(the local Riv dealer around here) and Sam found a new one through one 
their trade partners shortly thereafter. I ended up going with the used 
one, so it may be worth reaching out to Mack’s if nothing turns up here. 
Just a thought!


Jason
Oak Park, IL
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> The burrito does look like it has a concave shape side-to-side.  But, 
> realistically, you just need something to stabilize the bag - not support 
> it with a full "platform," right?  This does cuts into tire or fender 
> clearance though, i suppose.   It does NOT seem to have the angled-up part 
> at the rear, which seems to me like it would work better with a 
> flat-bottomed saddlesack.  But the front of the bag would still get 
> scrunched in the middle, like Vince's that Dorothy posted.  That's the 
> trouble I had.  It took away a lot of volume and seemed like it would rub 
> through eventually, if stuffed regularly.
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:49:53 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I looked at the burrito but decided it was the same as a r10 but 
>> with that “scooped” platform?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 2:43 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>> My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 working 
>> adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, however I 
>> did find this neat alternative:
>>
>>
>> Simworks burrito rack.
>>
>> https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
>>> couldn't.   
>>>
>>> That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that 
>>> are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under the 
>>> saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
>>> mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, and 
>>> strapped to the seatposti front.
>>>
>>> If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating the 
>>> two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. 
 Ordered from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with shipping 
 from Japan less $$ than domestic sources.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:

 Hey group,


 Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 
 to support it.

 Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or 
 purchase if need be.

 Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmail

 Thanks :)

 jared

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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo Light Install

[J Imler]

I'm good now. Thanks.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:59:15 AM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:

> Would anyone be able to point me to a "how to" video? I'm particularly 
> looking for how the wires are hooked up in conjunction with a front dynamo 
> light wired too. I've got a Shimano dynamo if that matters. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Johnny Alien]

Rich had some sort of surgery a little bit ago and is pretty backed up with 
orders and wheels for Rivendell builds. I have been in the queue for awhile 
with full knowledge that there would be a wait. Health wise I believe he is 
doing OK.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> To follow up. I ended up narrowing it down to Peter White or Rich at Hands 
> on and emailed them both for a quote/recommendation. The folks at Peter 
> White's shop were the only ones who replied, which made the decision pretty 
> easy. Hope everything is ok with Rich. 
>
> I'll follow up when I get the wheels. It'll be a bit as they had to order 
> in the 40h rear hoop and hub
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Peter White. Thanks for the recommendation guys. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:43 PM UTC-4 Jon B wrote:
>>
>>> I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.
>>>
>>> With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he 
>>> said, "It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles 
>>> later, it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.
>>>
>>> Jon Blum
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
 them. 

 On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>>> had 
>>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>>
>>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); 
>>> and 
>>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. 
>>> Most of 
>>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and 
>>> even a 
>>> couple 32s.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
 prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
 how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
 should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
 prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
 possible. 
  

 I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
 I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
 The 
 rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
 many 
 options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
 hub 
 on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 
 or 40 
 as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
 (loud 
 as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 

 Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[iamkeith]

The burrito does look like it has a concave shape side-to-side.  But, 
realistically, you just need something to stabilize the bag - not support 
it with a full "platform," right?  This does cuts into tire or fender 
clearance though, i suppose.   It does NOT seem to have the angled-up part 
at the rear, which seems to me like it would work better with a 
flat-bottomed saddlesack.  But the front of the bag would still get 
scrunched in the middle, like Vince's that Dorothy posted.  That's the 
trouble I had.  It took away a lot of volume and seemed like it would rub 
through eventually, if stuffed regularly.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:49:53 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hmm, I looked at the burrito but decided it was the same as a r10 but with 
> that “scooped” platform?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 2, 2023, at 2:43 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 working 
> adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, however I 
> did find this neat alternative:
>
>
> Simworks burrito rack.
>
> https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
>> couldn't.   
>>
>> That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that 
>> are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under the 
>> saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
>> mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, and 
>> strapped to the seatposti front.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating the 
>> two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. Ordered 
>>> from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with shipping from 
>>> Japan less $$ than domestic sources.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey group,
>>>
>>>
>>> Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 
>>> to support it.
>>>
>>> Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or purchase 
>>> if need be.
>>>
>>> Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmail
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Josh C]

To follow up. I ended up narrowing it down to Peter White or Rich at Hands 
on and emailed them both for a quote/recommendation. The folks at Peter 
White's shop were the only ones who replied, which made the decision pretty 
easy. Hope everything is ok with Rich. 

I'll follow up when I get the wheels. It'll be a bit as they had to order 
in the 40h rear hoop and hub

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Peter White. Thanks for the recommendation guys. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:08:43 PM UTC-4 Jon B wrote:
>
>> I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.
>>
>> With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he 
>> said, "It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles 
>> later, it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.
>>
>> Jon Blum
>>
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
 have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
 rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
 and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
 and the price was much better than some other options as well. 

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>> had 
>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>
>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, 
>> Paul, Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
>> of 
>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even 
>> a 
>> couple 32s.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure 
>>> how I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>>> should be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would 
>>> prefer sending business to a local or at least midwest company if 
>>> possible. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>>> The 
>>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>>> many 
>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>>> hub 
>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>>> 40 
>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>>> (loud 
>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>
>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[Richard Rose]

Hmm, I looked at the burrito but decided it was the same as a r10 but with that “scooped” platform?Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 2, 2023, at 2:43 AM, iamkeith  wrote:My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 working adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, however I did find this neat alternative:Simworks burrito rack.https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I couldn't.   That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under the saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, and strapped to the seatposti front.If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating the two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. Ordered from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with shipping from Japan less $$ than domestic sources.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:Hey group,Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 to support it.Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or purchase if need be.Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmailThanks :)jared



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[RBW] ISO Roadini Frame

[River Bailey]

Looking for 54 Roadini frame in new Sergio Green. 

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[RBW] Rear Dynamo Light Install

[J Imler]

Would anyone be able to point me to a "how to" video? I'm particularly 
looking for how the wires are hooked up in conjunction with a front dynamo 
light wired too. I've got a Shimano dynamo if that matters. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Babies on bikes

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:25:37 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

 2) wait until their neck muscles were strong enough to support both their 
head and the helmet. 

Well, we had our kids in a car seat (strapped into the Burley trailer) 
until they were truly strong enough to sit up, meaning they were toddlers 
at that point. So, in the car seat, they had plenty of head support and 
didn't seem to mind the helmet we had for them.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Babies on bikes

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I really don’t want to sound like I’m giving parenting advice, but … way back 
when my kids were this age, we were advised to 1) put a helmet on them and 2) 
wait until their neck muscles were strong enough to support both their head and 
the helmet. We eventually bought a trailer (forget the brand), which neither 
kid ever really liked. 

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> On Sep 2, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Anthony Beauchemin  
> wrote:
> 
> I waited until my kiddo was 1 before putting her on the bike. Up until that 
> point I got her used to the idea of being on the bike so it wouldn’t seem so 
> weird to her. One thing that really helped was the drawing of the baby on the 
> bike on my Riv coffee mug! I would show her that and tell her that would be 
> her and she would get really excited about it. Then when I got her helmet I 
> would let her wear it around the house. By the time we put her on the bike 
> she was comfortable and excited to ride! 
> I initially took her around the neighborhood and through alleyways to get us 
> both used to riding, then worked my way up to longer rides. I’m a stay at 
> home dad so the majority of my riding is with my daughter now, I use an 
> Ahearne cycle truck that has been given new life as a “precious cargo bike”. 
> She loves it and helps when we bomb down hills!
> 
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:22:10 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>> 
>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with these 
>> and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo bike 
>> but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I 
>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>> ride it to work.
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I would 
>>> highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  The 
>>> trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the 
>>> bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>> playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>>> The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it gave. 
>>>  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from cold 
>>> and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with 
>>> studded tires.
>>> We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as it's 
>>> less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get there".  
>>> The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I have 
>>> installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com <> 
>>> wrote:
 My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids 
 seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with 
 mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side 
 kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough 
 to be in the rear seat.
 
 You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was 
 able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in 
 the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
 car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
 comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
 mile away.
 
 The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can 
 hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 
 months for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet 
 gift him better.
 
 On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo > 
 wrote:
> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
> area. 
> 
> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi 
> after he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in 
> the front with me. 
> 
> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike 
> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there 
> wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure 
> there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is 
> not it  
> 
> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
> beefier. 
> 
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM 

[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Piaw Na]

I used the Chariot 
Cougar: 
https://blog.piaw.net/2011/12/review-chariot-cougar-1-strollerbike.html. 
It doubles as the world's most luxurious stroller until they turn 10 and 
can wear helmets easily. We used the heck out of this thing 2 kids and used 
it everywhere, but to be honest once we got the triplet the kids lost 
interest once they were big enough to use the triplet (though occasionally 
we'd tow it along so that the smaller kid could shift to the trailer after 
falling asleep on the triplet). If you don't already have a trailer you'll 
keep this one as a trailer long after the kids stop using it. Trailers are 
useful!

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:58:35 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Anthony Beauchemin]

I waited until my kiddo was 1 before putting her on the bike. Up until that 
point I got her used to the idea of being on the bike so it wouldn’t seem 
so weird to her. One thing that really helped was the drawing of the baby 
on the bike on my Riv coffee mug! I would show her that and tell her that 
would be her and she would get really excited about it. Then when I got her 
helmet I would let her wear it around the house. By the time we put her on 
the bike she was comfortable and excited to ride! 
I initially took her around the neighborhood and through alleyways to get 
us both used to riding, then worked my way up to longer rides. I’m a stay 
at home dad so the majority of my riding is with my daughter now, I use an 
Ahearne cycle truck that has been given new life as a “precious cargo 
bike”. She loves it and helps when we bomb down hills!

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:22:10 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>
> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo 
> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I 
> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
> ride it to work.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee. 
>>  
>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>> the 
>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
>> from 
>>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
>> with 
>>studded tires.
>>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as 
>>it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
>>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  
>> I 
>>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule 
>>> kids seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around 
>>> with mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those 
>>> side-by-side kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was 
>>> old enough to be in the rear seat.
>>>
>>> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I 
>>> was able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does 
>>> in the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
>>> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
>>> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
>>> mile away.
>>>
>>> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they 
>>> can hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 
>>> months for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet 
>>> gift him better.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
 area. 

 i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
 yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi 
 after 
 he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
 with me. 

 fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his 
 bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there 
 wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure 
 there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is 
 not it  

 i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not 
 rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
 beefier. 

 On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce 
> him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers 
> (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a 
> ride with him on a 

Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[Dorothy C]

Here is a picture of one on Vince’s Clem that was posted to the staff bikes 
area of the blog. When I asked him about it he confirmed it was an R10 on 
the bike. Bag hikes up in front, which might not work depending on how much 
you need to put in your bag and your aesthetic sensibilities. Not being 
sarcastic, we all have our sensibilities when it comes to setting up a nice 
bike. 

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/vinces-59cm-clem

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:43:35 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 working 
> adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, however I 
> did find this neat alternative:
>
> Simworks burrito rack.
>
> https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
>> couldn't.   
>>
>> That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that 
>> are improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under the 
>> saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
>> mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, and 
>> strapped to the seatposti front.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating the 
>> two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. Ordered 
>>> from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with shipping from 
>>> Japan less $$ than domestic sources.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey group,
>>>
>>>
>>> Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 
>>> to support it.
>>>
>>> Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or purchase 
>>> if need be.
>>>
>>> Please respond off list at jared wilson327 at gmail
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 9:58:35 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
you use? Where did you ride? 


Mind you, this is 30+ years old ... we put our daughters in their car seats 
in our Burley trailer to start, about 1 year old. Got hit by a car once, 
luckily a very slow motion event, 90+ year old making a left turn from a 
4-way stop pushed us into the curb. Nobody hurt, and I felt pretty good 
about the overall safety of the setup, but of course a higher speed 
incident would have been much different. We also used a rear rack mounted 
seat, but I never liked that setup; terrible balance and a much bigger 
distance to fall if the bike goes over. We rode lots of places around 
Milwaukee, using the bike path as much as possible, quieter public streets 
elsewhere. 

The trailer lasted well into childhood for our two daughters. Most 
important thing was that every ride had to be about the food. We still have 
it and are hoping our grandchildren will ride in it soon.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted W]

> We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides

Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with these
and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo bike
but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I
already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I
ride it to work.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I
>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.
>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the
>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3
>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it
>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from
>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with
>studded tires.
>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as
>it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get
>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I
>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids
>> seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with
>> mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side
>> kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough
>> to be in the rear seat.
>>
>> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I
>> was able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does
>> in the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the
>> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt
>> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a
>> mile away.
>>
>> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they
>> can hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7
>> months for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet
>> gift him better.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your
>>> area.
>>>
>>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a
>>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after
>>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his
>>> bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there
>>> wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure
>>> there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is
>>> not it
>>>
>>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not
>>> rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something
>>> beefier.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes
 with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc
 did you use? Where did you ride?

 My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce
 him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers
 (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a
 ride with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
 online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
 not sure if that's based on any actual research.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

['j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   - I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I would 
   highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  The 
   trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the 
   bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
   playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
   The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
   gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from 
   cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with 
   studded tires.
   - We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as 
   it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
   there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I 
   have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.


On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids 
> seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with 
> mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side 
> kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough 
> to be in the rear seat.
>
> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was 
> able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in 
> the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
> mile away.
>
> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can 
> hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months 
> for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him 
> better.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
> wrote:
>
>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
>> area. 
>>
>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
>> with me. 
>>
>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike 
>> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t 
>> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an 
>> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it  
>>
>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
>> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
>> beefier. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
>>> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted W]

My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids
seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with
mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side
kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough
to be in the rear seat.

You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was
able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in
the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the
car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt
comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a
mile away.

The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can
hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months
for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him
better.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your area.
>
> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a
> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after
> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front
> with me.
>
> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike
> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t
> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an
> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it
>
> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated
> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something
> beefier.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with
>> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did
>> you use? Where did you ride?
>>
>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report // Île d'Oléron

[Kyle Cotchett]

Looks like a good time! The scenery reminds me a lot of the Oregon coast.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:08:06 AM UTC+2 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks for re-posting; lovely photos.
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:18:05 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:
>>>
 Hmmm, okay, I warned you that I'm new at this! Let me try again... Do 
 these show up?
 [image: 20230811_203434.jpg]
 [image: 20230811_173157.jpg][image: 20230811_153741.jpg][image: 
 20230811_115007.jpg][image: 20230811_114047.jpg][image: 
 20230809_103159.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Tall Stack, Short Reach Threadless Stem

[Dave S]

https://tinyurl.com/yff3arxv

Seems to be the same as the Analog Gnome Hopper.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:13:35 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm *finally *building my BMC Monstercross, and I think I need a tall 
> stack, short reach threadless stem with a removable faceplate and 31.8 
> clamp similar to what Riv adjacent brands like Crust or Analog offer, but I 
> am open to other suggestions since I exist in the quill ecosystem.  Thanks 
> in advance.

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Nitto R10

[iamkeith]

My own question got me searching the web for pictures of the R10 working 
adequately.  I didn't see anything that convinced me it would, however I 
did find this neat alternative:

Simworks burrito rack.

https://www.sim.works/products/burrito-rack?variant=44004249927934



On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:47:22 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Have you previously gotten a Saddlesack to work with an R10 rack?  I 
> couldn't.   
>
> That rack seems more suited to traditional bags, like a Caradice, that are 
> improved by swinging them away from the seatpost and out from under the 
> saddle.  Rivendell (sackville) bags are kind of hung from the center of 
> mass, and only reall work when allowed to hang level, under the saddle, and 
> strapped to the seatposti front.
>
> If I'm wrong, I'd love to see photos of somebody successfully mating the 
> two.  Otherwise, just something to consider before buying.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Jared. I could not find one here or anywhere for that matter. Ordered 
>> from Bluelug & had it in less than a week. And, even with shipping from 
>> Japan less $$ than domestic sources.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 9:45 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:
>>
>> Hey group,
>>
>>
>> Acquired another SaddleSack medium and find myself needing a Nitto R10 to 
>> support it.
>>
>> Would love to trade for a Riv Shiny rear rack or Marks rack, or purchase 
>> if need be.
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