[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Nick Payne]

I bought a 136 link Wipperman 11se chain for my Appaloosa. Can't remember 
how many excess links I removed to get the correct length chain with a 38t 
big chainring and 11-40 cassette:

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

They also make the same length chain in 7/8/9/10-speed, and other 
manufacturers (eg YBN, BBB, KMC) offer the same 136 link length as well.

NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

U R welcome, Steve. The Velominati Rules are a hoot. Required reading 4
sure.

And do not mess with the rules 浪 !!!

Jock

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:55 PM Steve  wrote:

> I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?"
> Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them!  Thank you Bill & John
> Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop
> giggling.
>
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that
>> feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it
>>> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm
>>> guessing for a GPS mount?
>>>
>>> Collin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning
 at Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no
 commentary (yet):

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] FS: Arkel f/r panniers with Old Man Mountain f/r racks

[Kim H.]

 I have for sale an older set of Arkel GT-18 BR front panniers (retailed 
for $159.00) and Arkel GT-54 panniers (retailed for $379.00) both in the 
color red. They are excellent condition. There are no issues with them. I 
do not have the rain covers for the front panniers. However, I do have the 
rain covers for the rear panniers.. These can be purchase on Arkel website. 
Both these panniers have been discontinued. 

https://arkel.ca/collections/bag-covers/products/waterproof-rain-covers

https://www.campfirecycling.com/product/arkel-gt-54-rear-panniers-p-1103.html

https://www.campfirecycling.com/product/arkel-gt-18-bp-pannier-p-1102.html

There are no Cam locks on the rear panniers. However, you can purchase them 
on Arkel's website:

https://arkel.ca/products/cam-lock-kit

 I have front and rear Old Man Mountain bicycle racks for the above Arkel 
panniers. 

Pictures are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/GBJZuuFQ67AtQ29ZA

$600..00 or best offer, plus shipping.

Paypal payment.

Contact me off this group for your questions or interests.

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel. 

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?"
Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them!  Thank you Bill & John 
Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop 
giggling.


On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that 
> feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it 
>> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm 
>> guessing for a GPS mount?
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
>>> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
>>> commentary (yet):
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

If the BB spindle you're testing out is too short yes, a chainring with hit 
the chainstay. If you slide it on and there's no resistance as the ring 
gets close..STOP. Not gonna work, pull the crank back and prepare to pull 
that BB and get a longer one in there. 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:53:49 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Thanks for all of the tips.
>
> I appreciate the acknowledgement of the STAND. I do not have one and 
> there's no chance of finding room for one in my apt. Someday that will 
> change . . .
>
> I'm not sure what a crank bolt washer looks like? Maybe I'll know when I 
> see it. I'm assuming it would be under the initial bolt--revealed when I 
> remove that? And I gather that I should be aware that the small ring may 
> hit the chainstays as I'm putting on the new crank? Good to know.
>
> It will be a bit before I get the cranks and have time to work, but I'll 
> post back here with the result. Maybe useful for anyone with a Sam that 
> wants to try a 115mm bb with VO cranks.
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is 
>> reverse-threaded, so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank 
>>> puller.  
>>>
>>> -Andrew
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on 
 the crank puller!

 good luck,
 shoji
 Arlington MA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>
> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in 
> a proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on 
> the ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  
> There is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike 
> without 
> a work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, 
>> and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>>
>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>
>> -pedal wrench
>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>> socket, maybe both
>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank 
>> puller
>>
>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
>> test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap 
>> caliper 
>> would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring 
>> will 
>> hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
>> crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  
>> Aside 
>> from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
>> would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>
>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  
>> In some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an 
>> issue.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option 
>>> at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
>>> road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
>>> this is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm 
>>> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently 
>>> have 
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to 
>>> know 
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest 
>>> a 
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if 
>>> so, 
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Richard Rose]

Per today’s e mail update - Roaduno completes due in May, not April. Not sure if that includes the non completes.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 7, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Berkeleyan  wrote:"
I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back.
 And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove 
the wheels."Er, make that 15mm... I was thinking of motorcycle parts at the same time.- Andrew



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Adam]

Thanks for all of the tips.

I appreciate the acknowledgement of the STAND. I do not have one and 
there's no chance of finding room for one in my apt. Someday that will 
change . . .

I'm not sure what a crank bolt washer looks like? Maybe I'll know when I 
see it. I'm assuming it would be under the initial bolt--revealed when I 
remove that? And I gather that I should be aware that the small ring may 
hit the chainstays as I'm putting on the new crank? Good to know.

It will be a bit before I get the cranks and have time to work, but I'll 
post back here with the result. Maybe useful for anyone with a Sam that 
wants to try a 115mm bb with VO cranks.

Adam

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:

> Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is 
> reverse-threaded, so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
> Jim in Mpls
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:
>
>> I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank puller.  
>>
>> -Andrew
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on 
>>> the crank puller!
>>>
>>> good luck,
>>> shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  

 Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in 
 a proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on 
 the ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  
 There is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike 
 without 
 a work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, 
> and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank 
> puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
> test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap 
> caliper 
> would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will 
> hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
> crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside 
> from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
> would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option 
>> at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
>> road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
>> this is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm 
>> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently 
>> have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to 
>> know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if 
>> so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Jingy]

Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is reverse-threaded, 
so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
Jim in Mpls

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:

> I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank puller.  
>
> -Andrew
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on 
>> the crank puller!
>>
>> good luck,
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>>>
>>> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in a 
>>> proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on the 
>>> ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  There 
>>> is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike without a 
>>> work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, 
 and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  

 To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:

 -pedal wrench
 -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
 socket, maybe both
 -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller

 Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
 test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper 
 would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will 
 hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
 crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside 
 from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
 would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  

 Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
 some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>
> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>
> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
> this is my first attempt.
>
> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm 
> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>
> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Andrew MacDonald]

I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank puller.

-Andrew

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on
> the crank puller!
>
> good luck,
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.
>>
>> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in a
>> proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on the
>> ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  There
>> is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike without a
>> work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers,
>>> and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.
>>>
>>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>>
>>> -pedal wrench
>>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm
>>> socket, maybe both
>>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>>>
>>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test
>>> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would
>>> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the
>>> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed
>>> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from
>>> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be
>>> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.
>>>
>>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In
>>> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.

 I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at
 the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.

 A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and
 this is my first attempt.

 I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm
 BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have
 either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know
 is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter
 spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?

 My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO
 cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a
 problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so,
 any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops
 nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)

 Thanks!

 Adam

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Shoji Takahashi]

Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on the 
crank puller!

good luck,
shoji
Arlington MA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>
> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in a 
> proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on the 
> ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  There 
> is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike without a 
> work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
>> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>>
>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>
>> -pedal wrench
>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>> socket, maybe both
>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>>
>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
>> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
>> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
>> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
>> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
>> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
>> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>
>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
>> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>>> is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Bill Lindsay]

I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  

Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in a 
proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on the 
ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  There 
is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike without a 
work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[aeroperf]

Then, if you do need to replace the bottom bracket, you’ll need a tool like 
this to snug up the new one.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-BBT-22-Shimano-Cartridge/dp/B001A0AIAG/?th=1=1

I took my Sam to the LBS to take the old one out.  The guys in Taiwan (or 
at Rivendell) must have hydraulic hands when they install the bottom 
bracket.  It was really in there.


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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss.  I have that 
feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems.  

BL in EC

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it 
> would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm 
> guessing for a GPS mount?
>
> Collin
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
>> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
>> commentary (yet):
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Collin A]

I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it 
would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm 
guessing for a GPS mount?

Collin

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at 
> Riv HQ.  I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no 
> commentary (yet):
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Adam]

Thanks all,

Great. I have the tools, just ordered the park crankpuller from VO with the 
cranks.

I'll give it a go and see what happens. I think I get the idea from the 
videos.

I don't have the cranks in hand yet, but once I sort it out, I'll post 
back, probably with questions about FDs and chainline. Since I haven't 
shifted my FD since moving to Chicago. . . I could also pull it altogether 
for a bit. I really miss climbing, but realistically that's a significant 
train or drive from anywhere I regularly ride, so manual front shifting is 
not a bad option for that rare occasion.

Best,

Adam

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:15:59 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Emphasizing one point Bill mentioned, slide the driveside crank on the 
> spindle SLOWLY and stop before you think a ring may hit the frame. Ask me 
> how I learned this! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
>> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>>
>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>
>> -pedal wrench
>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>> socket, maybe both
>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>>
>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
>> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
>> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
>> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
>> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
>> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
>> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>
>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
>> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>>> is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

Emphasizing one point Bill mentioned, slide the driveside crank on the 
spindle SLOWLY and stop before you think a ring may hit the frame. Ask me 
how I learned this! 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

When I inspected the frame at Riv prior to paint, they asked if I wanted to 
take the fork to the grinding wheel, but I didn't do it at that time.  I 
prefer to do delicate maneuvers like that in my own work space in my own 
time.  One thing people do sometimes is completely clear the dropout faces 
of paint, for a cleaner look.  D used to do that, and the Vimeo Riv 
produced of Rick painting a Hilsen shows him doing that.  I'm not a touch 
up guy.  I'm a beausage guy.  Scrubbing off the lawyer lips is part of me 
marking my territory.  It'll take "forever" for that exposed metal to rust. 
 If I lived on the marina perhaps I'd feel differently about it.  

BL in EC

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> "...and indeed grinding off the lawyer lips..." ???  I would'a thought 
> you'd have ground those off before it was painted.  You must have some 
> touch up paint of the same color.
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[JohnS]

Hello Adam, 

I agree 100% with Bill and Steve's recommendations. A couple things to be 
aware of, make sure to put some grease on the puller before threading it 
onto the crank and to tighten with the adjustable wrench, it's possible to 
damage the crank arm treads otherwise. Second, the FD may need adjusting 
since the chainrings may not be exactly at the same locations as with the 
original cranks.

Good luck,
JohnS

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

The inaugural ride will be back to Riv HQ so they can photograph it.  I'll 
probably take it on my March Diablo Summit as well

BL in EC

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
>> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
>> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
>> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
 #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Steve]

Adam, good on you for planning to do the crank swap yourself  (you will 
likely want a crank puller  - 
https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/universal-crank-puller-for-square-taper-and-splined-cranks-cwp-7
 
 & here's a link to Park's how to video - 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQyQnNdews).

I'll cast a vote for mounting the new cranks on your existing BB and then 
checking the fit. You will be looking for two potential issues (1) adequate 
clearance between the drive side chain stay and the small chainring aa well 
as the chain itself, and (2) the chainline.   Good luck!   

Steve in Asheville 
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>
> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at the 
> price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>
> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
> is my first attempt.
>
> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. I 
> have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have either 
> a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know is to 
> remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter spindle on 
> their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>
> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[George Schick]

"...and indeed grinding off the lawyer lips..." ???  I would'a thought 
you'd have ground those off before it was painted.  You must have some 
touch up paint of the same color.

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Bill Lindsay]

Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  

To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:

-pedal wrench
-whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
socket, maybe both
-crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller

Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  

Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In some 
narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>
> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at the 
> price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>
> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
> is my first attempt.
>
> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. I 
> have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have either 
> a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know is to 
> remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter spindle on 
> their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>
> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
ride take you?

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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[RBW] Crankset/BB question

[Adam]

Hi all,

A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.

I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at the 
price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.

A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this is 
my first attempt.

I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. I 
have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have either 
a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know is to 
remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter spindle on 
their Hillborne with the VO cranks?

My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO cranks 
do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a problem? 
OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, any 
thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops nearby, 
but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)

Thanks!

Adam

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[RBW] 1983 Trek 720 FS, not by me, $299, NYC

[Patrick Moore]

Posted on iBob; seller said it's alright to post here; I figure that my
long-time presence on the list and the nature of the bike (long stays, I
think!) make it acceptable and I think listers will be interested.

*Not mine:* please contact the owner directly: alan lavine <
cigar...@gmail.com>

On 2/14/24 03:53, alan lavine wrote:
$299 anybody??
Alan NYC

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:47:17 AM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
Reduced to $325.

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
Hi All,
Up for sale is this classic touring frame, thought to be one of the best
ever. The frame itself is fine, but the paint sucks from previous touch up
attempts. It rides fine as is, though aesthetically poor.
The headset is stronglight but may need repacking. ST 60 cm, TT 57 cm, both
c-c.
I’m sure the members of this group know what this is but here is the CL
anyway:
newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-fs-vintage-touring-trek-720/7715824985.html

Prefer local for now, but we’ll see how it goes.
Thanks,
Alan NYC

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Re: [RBW] FS Items Brakes, Seatposts, Saddles, Derailleurs

[Mike Godwin]

Remaining items

Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole, 
NIB $220 

Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120

Tiagra short cage RD, RD-4500, $15 

Campy metal head for Silca pump $25

Mike SLO CA
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On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:02:54 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> All claimed items shipped today USPS. Last update for remaining items
>
> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole, 
> NIB $220 
>
> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120
>
> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20
>
> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20
>
> Shimano long cage 105 RD, RD-5501, $25
>
> Tiagra short cage RD, RD-4500, $15 
>
> Anyone need a pair of Mafac Racers, all bits, one mounting nut missing.  
> Make offer. 
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 10:11:01 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks
>> Thank you for the great response. The remaining items are: 
>>
>> Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. I'll throw in a pant 
>> guard made from a 50 t ring if ya want it.  Threads in good condition. $40 
>>
>> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole, 
>> NIB $220 
>>
>> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120
>>
>> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20
>>
>> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20
>>
>> Tiagra short cage RD, RD-4500, $15 
>>
>> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one 
>> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20
>> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25
>> If anyone is interested in a 1980 Bianchi Specialisima, 62 cm, Tange 
>> Prestige replacement chrome fork, ask for photos. Paint crappy, suffered a 
>> front end bump, some crinkled paint but otherwise looks good. Free, you pay 
>> shipping. Would make a cool patinaed frame much like the Ramboulliet 
>> someone worked over.  
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 1:48:19 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Short *housing* lengths ...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 2:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 ...  IME, good quality single pivots with decent levers,* short cable 
 lengths*, and salmon pads stop very well indeed.]

>>>
 On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 12:31 AM Mike Godwin  
 wrote:

> Hi Folks 
>
> Some bits from parting out the Monstercross, other items that just 
> seem to pile up. Some of the parts you may recognize, boomerang!  PDF 
> compilation of parts photos.  Ask for the source photos if needed.  
> Combine 
> parts to economize on shipping. If you feel the asking price is too high, 
> please make an offer.  Price includes shipping. 
>
>  Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. Threads in good 
> condition. $40 
>
> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 
> hole, NIB $220 
>
> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120 
>
> B17s, brown with copper rivets. $65 each, or $100 for both. 
>
> Suntour Superbe Pro 170 crank, 130 BCD, 53-39 rings. $40 
>
> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20 
>
> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20 
>
> SR Custom seatpost, 27.2 uncut.  $15 
>
> Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. 27.2, uncut. $40 
>
> Suntour XC Pro FD, 28.6. Chrome good condition. $25 
>
> Shimano 105 long cage RD, RD-5501. $25 
>
> Also have a short cage Tiagra. $15 
>
> Paul Components skewers, black with orange, one bike’s worth 
> 100/135. $90 
>
> Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe brakes 47-57 mm reach, no pads. Recessed, 
> all hardware.  $40  
>
> Paul Components brakes, 1 bike’s worth. Touring Canti and Neo Retro, 
> silver, dual compound Koolstop pads. straddle cables, red hangers.  $165
>  
>
> Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes, NIB, 62-78 mm reach, no pads. Nutted, 
> all hardware.  $45 
>
> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one 
> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20 
>
> Shimano 1 speed FW 3/32 pitch 18 t, SF-MX30  $15 
>
> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25 
>
> Sanyo chainstay generator. NIB, includes wires, brackets, front/rear 
> lights, manual  $25 
>
> Ephemera, instruction/sales page for Christrophe toe clips. Raleigh 
> tire pressure gauge, bag of zinc coated steel cables, good for making 
> flexible straddle cables. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bill Lindsay]

Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue in 
cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
shots in it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Shoji Takahashi]

Wow! and that stem is gorgeous.



On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:16:21 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> https://www.velominati.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve  wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[John Dewey]

https://www.velominati.com


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve  wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Ryan Frahm]

Another good option! I have used this 10 speed 136 link chain and it lasts 
forever. Splitting a chain is no big deal but I have really enjoyed not 
dealing with it. 
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=92096=533
On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> Agreed, thanks Collin. I don't mind splitting the chains but it'd be 
> easier to simply buy one long chain and be done with it. 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:00:11 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Good looking out! Thanks for the tip. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:15:42 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
>>> excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
>>> intervals thereafter. 
>>>
>>> How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed 
>>> cassettes, if any?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
 inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
 of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
 drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
 bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
 aware, but maybe not.

 For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
 a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain

 Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
 (performancebike.com) 
 

 Happy Riding,
 Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Miles Payton]

Oh man that is an absolutely stunning Riv in a world full of stunning Rivs. 
Holy cow. Thanks for continuing the updates too. It's been a pleasure to 
follow along. Was that bit of art with the cat in the bed what you 
delivered for color inspiration?

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC-6 Steve wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Steve]

Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> SMH
>
> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, 
> and then recite Rule #8
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Keith Paugh]

7:45Allez LASee you there!k.On Feb 16, 2024, at 6:00 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:I’m definitely coming. Will be on a 50cm Sergio Green PlatyOn Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:41:30 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:Excellent; thank you, Ted!Look forward to riding with all of you on Saturday!Heike (Appaloosa from OC)On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 3:55 PM Ted Durant  wrote:Ride With GPS route:https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45602857Ted Durant



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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Josh C]

Agreed, thanks Collin. I don't mind splitting the chains but it'd be easier 
to simply buy one long chain and be done with it. 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:00:11 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Good looking out! Thanks for the tip. 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:15:42 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
>> excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
>> intervals thereafter. 
>>
>> How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed 
>> cassettes, if any?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
>>> inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
>>> of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
>>> drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
>>> bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
>>> 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
>>> aware, but maybe not.
>>>
>>> For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
>>> 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
>>> a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain
>>>
>>> Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
>>> (performancebike.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Happy Riding,
>>> Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 650B wheelset/dyno hub a plus

[maxcr]

I'm also looking for a 650b wheelset - if anyone has something gathering 
dust in the basement hit me up.
I have a set of 700's for trade if interested (both dyno or not)
Max

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:11:28 PM UTC-5 Esteban wrote:

> Found a set. Thanks to all who responded. 
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a cast-off/spare wheelset? 
>>
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Dorothy C]

I’m definitely coming. Will be on a 50cm Sergio Green Platy

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:41:30 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Excellent; thank you, Ted!
>
> Look forward to riding with all of you on Saturday!
> Heike (Appaloosa from OC)
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 3:55 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> Ride With GPS route:
>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45602857
>>
>> Ted Durant
>>
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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Justin Kennedy]

Good looking out! Thanks for the tip. 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 2:15:42 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
> excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
> intervals thereafter. 
>
> How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed cassettes, 
> if any?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
>> inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
>> of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
>> drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
>> bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
>> 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
>> aware, but maybe not.
>>
>> For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
>> 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
>> a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain
>>
>> Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
>> (performancebike.com) 
>> 
>>
>> Happy Riding,
>> Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: NOS vintage Rivendell cycling cap

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Caroline, all traded, just waiting for my package to arrive, due on 
Saturday :0) 

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> if the trade falls through let me know - would love to add this to my 
> collection <3
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:29:00 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Trade pending, thanks for all the interest! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:12:13 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0309.jpg]
>>>
>>> This vintage cap is in excellent, unworn condition. Eight panel made by 
>>> Pace Sport Wear in the USA. Cap is yellow buttercream and a brownish gray 
>>> with green details on the letters and logos. Bright white sweat band, new 
>>> cap profile. Cap and elastic have not been shaped by wear, tried on at 
>>> most, does not appear to have been worn or sweated in. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0306.jpg]
>>>
>>> Asking $65 shipped CONUS. Would trade for a VAR third hand tool. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!  :0) 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0310.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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