Re: [RBW] The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Jason Fuller]

Even though I knew what to expect, more or less, I'm still rather blown 
away by the final result. It came together so perfectly. This is an iconic 
bike. 

On Thursday 22 February 2024 at 17:07:02 UTC-8 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> Spectacular!
>
> Excellent choice of components, and the ~20 lbs. for the complete build is 
> impressive. And you can't go wrong with pink and black!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 2:50:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Nobilette just put my garage photo out on his Instagram.  So now it's 
>> really out there.  I was going to let the Riv folks do the more public 
>> reveal, but whatev...
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 8:02:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did 
>>> ask I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as 
>>> the previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing 
>>> diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not 
>>> among those things I dwell upon.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>>
 Bill,
 This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the 
 inquiry about what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. 
 This 
 thing is simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink 
 Bates with diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture 
 attached (file might be too big.
 Best,
 Robert Blunt
 Pennington, NJ

 On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Bill Lindsay  
 wrote:

> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  
> Legolas fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>
> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  
> TPU tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>
> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm 
> bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R 
> Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain
>
> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and 
> housing.  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake 
> levers (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 
> saddle
>
> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene 
> Herse pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>
> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Also ISO/WTT/WTB Shimano type 10 sp cassette with 14 small cog and 25, 26, 27, 28 big cog

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Reginald, but I'm looking for a 10 sp cassette with a 14-tooth
small cog and close ratios and a big cog under 30 teeth. I'm pretty sure
Shimano makes these -- for junior racing? -- including a close ratio
14-something [and even a close ratio 15-something] but I'd have to modify
it in any event so I'd need one with separate "big" cogs, ie not attached
to a spider.

I'll probably just order from a Miche cog smorgasbord so that I can choose
those that I need.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:07 PM R. Alexis  wrote:

> PM sent.
>
> I have two SRAM PG 1070 10 speed cassettes. One 12-25 and one 12-27.
>
> 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 21, 24, 27
>
> 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25
>
> Last 3 cogs on each are attached to a spider.
>
> Let me know if you are interested. I may have some individual cogs I can
> dig through.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 2:06:11 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I know that Shimano makes 14-20-something 10 speed cassettes; I want
>> something I can modify to, say (need not be exactly so)
>> 14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-27 or ... 21-23-27 or ... 28. Will use no cog
>> larger than a 28.
>>
>> Please reply offlist.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Also ISO/WTT/WTB Shimano type 10 sp cassette with 14 small cog and 25, 26, 27, 28 big cog

[R. Alexis]

PM sent. 

I have two SRAM PG 1070 10 speed cassettes. One 12-25 and one 12-27. 

12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 21, 24, 27

12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25

Last 3 cogs on each are attached to a spider.

Let me know if you are interested. I may have some individual cogs I can 
dig through. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis 

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 2:06:11 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know that Shimano makes 14-20-something 10 speed cassettes; I want 
> something I can modify to, say (need not be exactly so) 
> 14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-27 or ... 21-23-27 or ... 28. Will use no cog 
> larger than a 28.
>
> Please reply offlist.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

[R. Alexis]

Looking at IRD website the IRD Quad has a 73mm conversion cups and a 
conversion washer to change the 68 to a 73. Bottom brackets without a 
shoulder can be mounted to work with both 68 and 73mm bottom brackets. The 
bottom bracket would fit further in the shell. I did this with a TruVativ  
Powerspline bottom bracket. Had the shoulder machined off the 68mm driver 
side to fit further in the 73mm bottom bracket. The person that took it to 
have it machined didn't know to leave the tool mounting splines. I ended up 
putting spanner pins in to install. 

Does the current spindle length work and fit for your use? Do both the arms 
and chainring clear sufficiently? Are you changing cranks? 

I know that on my SunTour cranks with 110/74 BCD and 175mm length I think 
they specify possibly a 125 or 127mm spindle, but 122.5mm spindles have fit 
fine on my bikes. Only bike using 127mm is the Schwinn High Plains 
Aluminum. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 
> 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume 
> that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of 
> the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's 
> why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
> explanations, only this...
>
> 113, 118
>
> 122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
>
> 123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
> sigh . 
>
> This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
> Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)
>
> Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able 
> to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask 
> me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific 
> answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" 
> can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those 
> inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
> gratitude Y-Not ! 
>
> I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
> wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
> of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
> play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
> relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
> setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
> to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain 
> spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but 
> doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it 
> is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
>> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
>> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
>> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
>> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
>> information I seek.
>> Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
>> bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
>> Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
>> bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
>> is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
>> drive side spacer?
>> Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
>> really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
>> lengths will work but not ideally?
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[RBW] Re: ISO 11 speed XT hub, 32 hole, QR, 6-bolt, black

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all, I found what I need at a price I'm willing to pay.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:56 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 11 speed, XT, black, 32 hole, 6-bolt disc, QR.
>
> New or VG used. Trade or $$.
>
> LBS seems to be out until April.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Patrick Moore]

The Big Ones have been out of production for a while; the 700C X 60
extralight G One is the replacement (it's not as light as the Big One).

I know the Big Ones but not the G Ones or the Antelope Hill; would be
interesting to hear others' reports of these last 2.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 5:54 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> As far as I can tell, you are the world expert on the Big One.  I've never
> heard of anyone else riding them, and before you talked about them, I
> didn't know they existed.  I'd be interested to see who else is in the Big
> One support group.
>
> Wil near Boston, with only Small Ones
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Asking here as well as on boblist.
>>
>> I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the knob
>> variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of cornering
>> security with 60 mm slicks.
>>
>> The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an
>> inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're
>> delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just
>> noticeable).
>>
>> Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the GO
>> corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?
>>
>> I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of
>> these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)
>>
>> In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's
>> for the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt."
>> $176 each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very
>> strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the
>> existing wheelset.
>>
>> Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle;
>> 14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.
>>
>> Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would
>> have to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new,
>> otherwise would want warranty protection.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know about the stability of the GOs. The "Race-something" model has
a good rating for speed/rolling resistance; might consider the 622X60s
instead of the Antelope Pass.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I bought four Big Ones at $19 a piece, Patrick bought the rest. They’re
> very thin. The new tubeless ready G ones are way more stable at lower
> pressures, and still relatively inexpensive . No bigger than 55 for me
> lately.
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 7:54:01 PM UTC-5 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> As far as I can tell, you are the world expert on the Big One.  I've
>> never heard of anyone else riding them, and before you talked about them, I
>> didn't know they existed.  I'd be interested to see who else is in the Big
>> One support group.
>>
>> Wil near Boston, with only Small Ones
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Asking here as well as on boblist.
>>>
>>> I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the
>>> knob variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of
>>> cornering security with 60 mm slicks.
>>>
>>> The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an
>>> inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're
>>> delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just
>>> noticeable).
>>>
>>> Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the
>>> GO corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?
>>>
>>> I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of
>>> these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)
>>>
>>> In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's
>>> for the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt."
>>> $176 each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very
>>> strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the
>>> existing wheelset.
>>>
>>> Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle;
>>> 14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.
>>>
>>> Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would
>>> have to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new,
>>> otherwise would want warranty protection.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I bought four Big Ones at $19 a piece, Patrick bought the rest. They’re 
very thin. The new tubeless ready G ones are way more stable at lower 
pressures, and still relatively inexpensive . No bigger than 55 for me 
lately.
-Kai

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 7:54:01 PM UTC-5 Will Boericke wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> As far as I can tell, you are the world expert on the Big One.  I've never 
> heard of anyone else riding them, and before you talked about them, I 
> didn't know they existed.  I'd be interested to see who else is in the Big 
> One support group.
>
> Wil near Boston, with only Small Ones
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Asking here as well as on boblist.
>>
>> I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the knob 
>> variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of cornering 
>> security with 60 mm slicks.
>>
>> The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an 
>> inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're 
>> delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just 
>> noticeable).
>>
>> Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the GO 
>> corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?
>>
>> I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of 
>> these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)
>>
>> In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's 
>> for the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt." 
>> $176 each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very 
>> strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the 
>> existing wheelset.
>>
>> Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle; 
>> 14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.
>>
>> Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would 
>> have to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new, 
>> otherwise would want warranty protection.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Spectacular!

Excellent choice of components, and the ~20 lbs. for the complete build is 
impressive. And you can't go wrong with pink and black!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ
On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 2:50:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Nobilette just put my garage photo out on his Instagram.  So now it's 
> really out there.  I was going to let the Riv folks do the more public 
> reveal, but whatev...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 8:02:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did 
>> ask I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as 
>> the previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing 
>> diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not 
>> among those things I dwell upon.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the 
>>> inquiry about what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. This 
>>> thing is simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink 
>>> Bates with diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture 
>>> attached (file might be too big.
>>> Best,
>>> Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/

 Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  
 Legolas fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset

 Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
 tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers

 Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm 
 bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R 
 Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain

 Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing.  
 Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
 (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle

 Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene 
 Herse pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack

 total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg

 Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Will Boericke]

Patrick,

As far as I can tell, you are the world expert on the Big One.  I've never 
heard of anyone else riding them, and before you talked about them, I 
didn't know they existed.  I'd be interested to see who else is in the Big 
One support group.

Wil near Boston, with only Small Ones

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Asking here as well as on boblist.
>
> I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the knob 
> variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of cornering 
> security with 60 mm slicks.
>
> The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an 
> inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're 
> delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just 
> noticeable).
>
> Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the GO 
> corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?
>
> I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of 
> these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)
>
> In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's for 
> the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt." $176 
> each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very 
> strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the 
> existing wheelset.
>
> Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle; 
> 14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.
>
> Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would 
> have to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new, 
> otherwise would want warranty protection.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

[Richard Rose]

Well, now I feel stupid. I did not scroll enough. Riv does indeed sell 73mm bottom brackets & one of them has the 2.5 drive side spacer. I presume that one is offered for the Gus/Susie frames. I still don’t see how one of the IRD bb could work at only 68mm.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 22, 2024, at 3:12 PM, Garth  wrote:I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no explanations, only this...113, 118
122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline
123, B23X, Right +2.5mmsigh . This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in gratitude Y-Not ! I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the information I seek.Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the drive side spacer?Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle lengths will work but not ideally?



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[RBW] Handling (pavement cornering) of Schwalbe G One Speed 622X60 vs RH Antelope Hill (el) vs Schwalbe Big One (el)

[Patrick Moore]

Asking here as well as on boblist.

I may resolve the fender/knobs/sand float dilemma by eliminating the knob
variable and get max sand float under fenders at the expense of cornering
security with 60 mm slicks.

The Big Ones are notorious for "wallow" in turns; this seems to be an
inseparable quality rather than the result of improper pressure. They're
delightful tires otherwise (and the "wallow" is not horrible, just
noticeable).

Query to those who have ridden 1 or some or all: How do the AH and the GO
corner on pavement in comparison to the BO?

I'm almost tempted by the Big Apple but it's twice the weight of some of
these others. (OTOH I wouldn't need sealant!)

In other news, ordered up a pair of 62 2X "Silver" Velocity Blunt SS's for
the second, sand-tire wheelset for the Matthews "road bike for dirt." $176
each! But they're wonderful rims: very, very light and apparently very
strong, and at 27 mm IW perfect for 60s as well as the 50 mm Somas on the
existing wheelset.

Query: ISO/WTT/WTB: 11 sp XT rear 6-bolt hub, 32 hole, black, QR axle;
14-25 or close to this 10 sp Shimano-type cassette.

Also might want a *used* black SP PD 8 6-bolt, QR axle hub, but would have
to be both in good condition and significantly discounted over new,
otherwise would want warranty protection.

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[RBW] Re: Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

[Garth]

I see their web catalog explanations are as clear as mud ! Maybe that's why 
they couldn't convey it to you either. They have 73mm UN55's but no 
explanations, only this...

113, 118

122.5 x 73, 48.8 chainline

123, B23X, Right +2.5mm
sigh . 

This can't work for the Silver crank on a Susie ? 
Well WHY ?  simple question ... -:)

Just being honest, I tend not to want to deal with people that aren't able 
to give clear answers to my direct questions, or don't have the wits to ask 
me to clarify the questions, to be more specific to get a more specific 
answer. "Explain so a child can understand it" never seems to fail. "Why ?" 
can never be asked enough as far as I'm concerned. So to all those 
inquisitives asking repeatedly WHY ?.I tip my hat to you in 
gratitude Y-Not ! 

I can't give you a specific answer about your crank/bb as much as I may 
wish to as I'm not a mind reader seeing things as they do. I have a stock 
of various length cartridges on hand and a bag of various spacers and I 
play around with the combo that suits where I want the crank to be in 
relation to the frame. Why ? :-) Because someone can "recommend" a certain 
setup and it be perfect from their perspective. That may or may not apply 
to anyone else though. It's no different that a mfr. spec'ing a certain 
spindle or chainline. It's proper from their perspective setting up, but 
doesn't apply to all the various possibilities otherwise. It is what it 
is let it go and do what you gotta do.. always with a smile . 



On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
> really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
> bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
> BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
> one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
> information I seek.
> Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
> bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
> Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
> bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
> is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
> drive side spacer?
> Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
> really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
> lengths will work but not ideally?
>

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[RBW] Also ISO/WTT/WTB Shimano type 10 sp cassette with 14 small cog and 25, 26, 27, 28 big cog

[Patrick Moore]

I know that Shimano makes 14-20-something 10 speed cassettes; I want
something I can modify to, say (need not be exactly so)
14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-27 or ... 21-23-27 or ... 28. Will use no cog
larger than a 28.

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Re: [RBW] The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Bill Lindsay]

Nobilette just put my garage photo out on his Instagram.  So now it's 
really out there.  I was going to let the Riv folks do the more public 
reveal, but whatev...

BL in EC

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 8:02:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did 
> ask I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as 
> the previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing 
> diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not 
> among those things I dwell upon.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the 
>> inquiry about what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. This 
>> thing is simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink 
>> Bates with diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture 
>> attached (file might be too big.
>> Best,
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>>
>>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>>
>>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm 
>>> bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R 
>>> Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>>
>>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing.  
>>> Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>>
>>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>>
>>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] fs 54.5 atlantis complete w lots of extras

[Chasen Smith]

https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-atlantis-545/7720282826.html

riv ppl in nyc i am selling my bike cause i made it too perfect and i never 
wanna ride it.
local only pls.

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[RBW] Gus /Susie bottom bracket -which one?

[Richard Rose]

I asked about this when I bought my Gus and got no conclusive answers. I 
really did not get a conclusive answer from Riv either. When I ordered a 
bunch of components from Riv for my Gus build the answer I got about what 
BB to get went something like " we will look into it and send you the right 
one". The one I got does work but the box it came in does not give me the 
information I seek.
Here are my questions. Gus and Susie have 73 shells. Riv does not list 73 
bb's for sale. And they suggest which 68mm IRD one to get for your 
Gus/Susie - 123 width with right side spacer(?). Am I to conclude that 68mm 
bottom brackets work on a 73mm shell? An Tange bb has become available that 
is a 68mm with a 122.5 spindle. Will it work on my Gus. What about the 
drive side spacer?
Please excuse my ignorance. I would like to upgrade my bottom bracket and 
really have no idea what will fit best. I gather a lot of different spindle 
lengths will work but not ideally?

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[RBW] REAR!! [ISO 11 speed XT hub, 32 hole, QR, 6-bolt, black] REAR!

[Patrick Moore]

Duh! REAR hub!

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:56 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 11 speed, XT, black, 32 hole, 6-bolt disc, QR.
>
> New or VG used. Trade or $$.
>
> LBS seems to be out until April.
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] ISO 11 speed XT hub, 32 hole, QR, 6-bolt, black

[Patrick Moore]

11 speed, XT, black, 32 hole, 6-bolt disc, QR.

New or VG used. Trade or $$.

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Re: [RBW] Spring FS Post - Cranks, BB, Seatpost, Handlebars, Nitto Rack, Wool

[Michael Ullmer]

Update with sold items and price drops:

1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $45
--Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer need 
though. Still buttery smooth.

2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $30
--Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 Clamp. 
Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise.

3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $35
--Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 10cm. 
I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light and 
needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.

4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 BB 
- $50
--This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 

5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - SOLD
--100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
for measurements.

6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - SOLD
--60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a couple 
of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue color with 
yellow/red striping.

7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $90
--Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM sent on bottom bracket.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 20, 2024, at 8:11 AM, Mike Ullmer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Continuing to clean out the unnecessaries. All prices don't include 
> shipping, but will be shipped via Pirateship:
>
> 1) Tange IRD QB-95 68x122 Square Taper BB - $50
> --Tange's top of line square taper bb. This was on my Fitz, no longer need 
> though. Still buttery smooth.
>
> 2) Nitto Mustache RM-016N Handlebars - $35
> --Nitto Mustache RM-016N Heat Treated  Aluminium Handlebars. 26.0 Clamp. 
> Some tape residue, but good shape otherwise. 
>
> 3) Thomson Masterpiece 27.2 Silver - 220mm - $40
> --Cut down to 22cm overall. The straight section of the post is about 
> 10cm. I used this on my Fitz Rando that has an integrated seat tube light 
> and needed a short seatpost to avoid hitting the wire inside the seat tube.
>
> 4) Deore XT FC-6206 Silver Square Taper Cranks 170mm with Shimano 122.5 BB 
> - $60
> --This was on a Trek 520 my uncle gave to me. I ran as a single on a 
> different vintage Trek, but can be set up double or triple with spacers. 
> 110/74 BCD. Comes with the original cup/cone BB. No Chainrings. 
>
> 5) Patagonia Mens Medium Fisherman Sweater Blue - $50
> --100% wool. Beautiful deep blue color, very warm. I'm wearing my 
> Woolywarm sweater a lot more these days and want to pass this on. See pics 
> for measurements.
>
> 6) Patagonia Mens Long-Sleeved Recycled Wool Shirt - $50
> --60% recycled wool, 30% recycled poly, 10% recycled nylon. I have a 
> couple of these and am just downsizing. Great shape. It's a deep blue color 
> with yellow/red striping.
>
> 7) Nitto R-14 Rear Rack - $100
> --Comes with all hardware and struts. Would also trade for a Marks Rack.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KxSdnsek27UuM9Ka8
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
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Re: [RBW] The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Bill Lindsay]

I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did ask 
I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as the 
previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing 
diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not 
among those things I dwell upon.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 5:44:25 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Bill,
> This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the inquiry about 
> what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. This thing is 
> simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink Bates with 
> diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture attached (file 
> might be too big.
> Best,
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>
>> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas 
>> fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>>
>> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU 
>> tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>>
>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm bottom 
>> bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R Der, Down 
>> tube shifters.  KMC chain
>>
>> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing.  
>> Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers 
>> (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle
>>
>> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse 
>> pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>>
>> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Drop Bar/Stem/brake/shifter set up

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I have a Nitto stem attached to 48cm wide noodle bars, vintage aero brakes, 
and vintage sun tour bar ends. I’ll get picks and more specs tonight. 

Brendan SF

On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 11:18:00 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:

> I have something kicking around, but I don't know that you want it. Came 
> off a GMC Denali bike that I converted to flat bar set up. Shifters are 
> SRAM MRX something or another 7 speed. Otherwise, I have a Profile bar with 
> Shimano brake levers mounted. Let me know if interested. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-6 Damien wrote:
>
>> Hi all! Looking for a Drop bar set up to plunk onto my newly acquired 
>> Rambouillet. Let me know if you have something - thank you!
>>
>> Damien
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