Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Chainstay Ding Peer Review Request

[Chris Halasz]

Patrick 


I almost, and probably should have, refrained from comparing the Clem with 
the Platypus. 


I built the 60cm Platypus with 42mm Graveling SS tires and Crust Juan 
Martin bars, front rack, often with a beloved little dog in the front 
basket rack. The Clem is a 64cm with Tosco bars, 48mm Oracle Ridge tires, 
and no racks. Surely all of that is part of the change. 


It feels a little more sure - to me - with the type of riding I’m doing 
now: a little less road, a few more rocky trails (images to follow in 
another thread). 


I’m highly visual, and while I couldn’t argue that the Platypus is the more 
objectively beautifully built frame, there’s something downright compelling 
to me about the largest Clem and the way the top and down tubes diverge at 
the steerer tube, and the way my somewhat dyslexic brain works, that 
translate to *me* finding myself more at home on this build; it feels a bit 
more like an extension of me, or maybe I just feel more sure with the Clem 
in the type of riding I’m doing now. I’ve grown more accustomed to riding 
upright, and maybe that extra inch or so of chainstay suits the riding I’m 
doing now.  


- Chris 
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:34:35 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good cosmetic job on the dent, and good on ya for the equanimity about the 
> slight defect.
>
> You say that the Clem "feels unique to the Platypus." I take it that you 
> mean that the Clem feels sufficiently different to the Platypus that you 
> can perceive, and appreciate, the difference. Can you describe that 
> difference? As someone who has vague hankerings after a Clem I'd be 
> interested to hear what others feel makes it "unique."
>
> Oracle Ridges: lovely tires. I recently got a 2nd wheelset for my Matthews 
> "road bike for dirt" and shod it with ORs regular casings, this to get 
> decent pavement handling and rolling with better traction, float, and 
> stability in sand than I got with the Soma Supple Vitesse SLs on the first 
> wheelset. For this bike, I believe that the ORs are the Goldilocks tire: 
> roll surprisingly well on pavement -- better than any other knobby I've 
> used, if not as well as the Somas, corner on pavement as well as the Somas, 
> and very definitely give me more float and directional control than the 
> Somas, which sink and plough. 
>
> If anyone has any Oracle Ridges for sale (Regular or Extralight; not 
> interested in Endurance) please contact me offlist.
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 5:17 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> The Clem chain stay ding on the Clem I received, you may recall, looked 
>> like this: 
>>
>>
>> [image: Clem_Chainstay.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> And is now touched up with a heart-shaped tint and shade of pink in an 
>> homage to the Platypus lugs: 
>>
>>
>> [image: Clem_Chainstay_Painted.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> The bike is now built and was ridden a few times in the hills and along 
>> the coast, and on a couple group rides, now that the generous West Coast 
>> rains (may) have passed. The only Clem I rode previous to this was Grant’s, 
>> a couple years ago, and I’ve wanted one ever since. I thought mine would be 
>> an unnoticed change since my previous group rides. I was surprised by how 
>> much people on their e- and carbon bikes took to the Clem’s appearance: 
>>
>>
>> [image: Clem_Side.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> The 64cm Clem build includes a Brooks B68 with 60mm Toscos on a 70mm 
>> Nitto stem (that's a 90mm Nitto Pearl in the photos, but I went with the 
>> shorter option), XT hubs on Alex rims with Oracle Ridge tires, Deore 
>> brakes, no-name crank with RBW chainguard, c.1990 Jannd saddle bag that has 
>> been on many, many nice Rivendells since then, and a new Arkel ’Signature’ 
>> handlebar bag that quickly transforms into a(n over-the-) shoulder bag. I'm 
>> about an 88cm PBH, and weigh in at about twelve stone. Saddle is at about 
>> 78cm. Bars top out a little over 3" above the saddle mid-section, and I may 
>> raise the bars another quarter inch or so. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Clem_Perspective.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> I have never ridden a more comfortable bike, and the only one as 
>> comfortable, to me, is the Platypus, but the Clem feels unique to the 
>> Platy. The Oracle Ridge tires feel and appear a bit slower than a set of 
>> 35mm Contis while climbing a section of paved road, judging by who passed 
>> me at the top of the climb on their e- and carbon bikes, but a worthwhile 
>> trade for having the traction and the wider tread while off-road on rougher 
>> stuff, which is why I wanted a Clem in the first place. Cheers to Grant, 
>> Will, Mark, James, Roman, and everyone else at RBW for their continued hard 
>> work and bold innovation. Riding this bike is so much fun. 
>>
>>
>> This purchase and build all started with someone offering me those Oracle 
>> Ridge tires, in great condition, for $20 a piece, with brand new Schwalbe 
>> tubes for a few dollars more, while we were out on the East Coast this 
>> winter. Thought the tires would be too wide 

Re: [RBW] Re: Belated Ride Report: Redlands Strada Rossa

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Wow, adventurous ride! Nice job finishing it.
You’ve motivated me to think about a mixed terrain ride later this year.

Thanks for sharing,
Toshi


On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:09 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Sorry. I took more photos, but seem to have previously filled the disk on
> my camera with unrelated pics.
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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[exliontamer]

Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going to go 
for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, build, 
and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with Albatross 
bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes with the 
same bar, variety is just more fun. 
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i 
> really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, 
> some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older 
> atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid 
> bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have 
> them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig 
> version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>
>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>
>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>
>> - Philip
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>
>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and 
>> even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to 
>> get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB 
>> to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair 
>> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
>> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far 
>> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
>> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the 
>> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
>> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're 
>> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and 
>> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with 
>> steering. 
>>
>> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. 
>>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to 
>>> raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of 
>>> inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the 
>>> riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable 
>>> for my wrists and shoulders. 
>>>
>>> So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on 
>>> this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride 
>>> it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my 
>>> Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct 
>>> experience with both bars on *roughly* similar bikes that makes 
>>> comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding 
>>> paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for 
>>> me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking 
>>> at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 
>>>
>>> But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working 
>>> for me, my body, my riding, now.
>>>
>>> *If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell 
>>> me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can 
>>> make a deal.* If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross 
>>> bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars 
>>> with integrated stems.
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is 
>>> helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's 
>>> a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry 
 about them suddenly slipping.

 I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had 
 straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back 
 style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve 
 probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 

 [image: IMG_9209.jpg]




 On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:

 Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the 

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Stephen]

I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i 
really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, 
some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older 
atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid 
bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have 
them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig 
version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Max,
>
> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>
> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>
> Our green bikes should be friends.
>
> - Philip
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>
> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even 
> my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get 
> low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to 
> make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair 
> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far 
> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the 
> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're 
> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and 
> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with 
> steering. 
>
> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. 
>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to 
>> raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of 
>> inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the 
>> riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable 
>> for my wrists and shoulders. 
>>
>> So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on 
>> this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride 
>> it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my 
>> Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct 
>> experience with both bars on *roughly* similar bikes that makes 
>> comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding 
>> paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for 
>> me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking 
>> at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 
>>
>> But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for 
>> me, my body, my riding, now.
>>
>> *If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell 
>> me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can 
>> make a deal.* If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross 
>> bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars 
>> with integrated stems.
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is 
>> helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's 
>> a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry 
>>> about them suddenly slipping.
>>>
>>> I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had 
>>> straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back 
>>> style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve 
>>> probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9209.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
>>> bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
>>> came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
>>> for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
>>> comfortable for commuting.  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[exliontamer]

Sold!

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-5 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll take it :) Let's connect for payment and shipping. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the 
>> chainring. Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
>> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[P W]

Max,I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.Clearly we have overlapping tastes!Our green bikes should be friends.- PhilipP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with steering. - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable for my wrists and shoulders. So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct experience with both bars on roughly similar bikes that makes comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for me, my body, my riding, now.If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can make a deal. If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars with integrated stems.I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.JimOn Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry about them suddenly slipping.I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're comfortable for commuting. 



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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Max S]

What a lovely Bontrager you got there!! 

- Max "green bikes are cool" in A2

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:06:28 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Have them on an old Bontrager CX, and love everything about the fit and 
> reach:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:56 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>
> Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
> bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
> came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
> for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
> comfortable for commuting.  
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[RBW] Re: FS: 53 Atlantis

[Zac Terrones]

Sorry I didn't update this thread. Bike was sold in a day hah. 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:23:16 PM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> You've got a message :)
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:40:35 AM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> PM'd
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:43:40 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Selling my 53 Atlantis. Paul levers and neo-retro brakes, albatross 
>>> bars, mks bear traps, silver cranks. In great condition, dirty in the pic 
>>> but will be cleaned up before you take it! Will be sold without the 
>>> rack/basket, and I'll swap the saddle out for a different b17 that's a 
>>> little newer. 
>>>
>>> Asking for $2200. Would prefer to sell locally in the SF bay area (I'm 
>>> on the peninsula) but would be willing to ship at buyers expense. 
>>>
>>> Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I'm sure there's something 
>>> I missed. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[exliontamer]

Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
comfortable for commuting. 

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WRe: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

Will confirmed both the Atlantis and the Homer are slated for 2025.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:
>
> "After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
>  in May/June 
> and then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "
>
>  this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
> latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
> it's a good idea to email Will about it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this 
>> year? I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have 
>> more info on this? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
 of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
 want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
 previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
 a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
 the other one.

 But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
 including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
 certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
 if 
 you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
 for.


 On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
> Ram.
>


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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:

"After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
 in May/June and 
then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "

 this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
it's a good idea to email Will about it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
> I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
> info on this? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>>> the other one.
>>>
>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
 what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
 differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
 Ram.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

@Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
info on this? 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 53 Atlantis

[Robert Calton]

You've got a message :)

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:40:35 AM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM'd
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:43:40 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Selling my 53 Atlantis. Paul levers and neo-retro brakes, albatross bars, 
>> mks bear traps, silver cranks. In great condition, dirty in the pic but 
>> will be cleaned up before you take it! Will be sold without the 
>> rack/basket, and I'll swap the saddle out for a different b17 that's a 
>> little newer. 
>>
>> Asking for $2200. Would prefer to sell locally in the SF bay area (I'm on 
>> the peninsula) but would be willing to ship at buyers expense. 
>>
>> Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I'm sure there's something I 
>> missed. 
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: 2 Filson Mackinaw Cruisers

[Dave Grossman]

In the spirit of all of the amazing wool items I've accumulated over my 
years with this group I'd like to offer up a couple of killer Filson 
Mackinaw wool cruisers

1.  Filson Double Mackinaw Cruiser Size Large Charcoal
Pit to pit is 26". 
It's in excellent condition with no noticeable flaws. 2018 vintage.
I got a good deal so passing it on for one as well. Asking $250 shipped 
conus.

2.  Filson Mackinaw Cruiser Size 40 Long (Medium Long) Forest Green
In excellent condition, pit to pit is 23". In modern terms I'd call it a 
medium long. See measurements in comments.
Asking $240 shipped conus.

Take them both for 450 shipped CONUS

Pics Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NMCMeJ8xqhGnP9MN9

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) Let's connect for payment and shipping. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Patrick Moore]

OTOH: I recall a practically new Schwinn Collegiate bought at Goodwill that
had a 5 speed square-tooth wide range freewheel shifted by a second-gen
Alvit rear derailleur pulled by a massive, chromed steel lever clamped to
the stem quill; possibly Suntour ratcheting? I don't recall.

At any rate, I was struck at how well it shifted, if you moved the lever
confidently and with authority. The chain would move promptly to the next
cog with a loud "thump" without any rattling afterward and the need to trim
the derailleur. Again, the system seemed to be in new condition.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:15 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, I read a few years ago that using a chain 1 generation more advanced
> than one's cassette improved shifting because the later and narrower chain
> avoids rubbing on adjacent cogs a wee but noticeable bit better than the
> earlier chain. I've been using 11 sp chains on my 10 sp cassettes, and
> while the difference isn't striking, I think it does keep the chain quieter
> while not in any way compromising shifting precision or speed.
>
> In any event, the best friction shifting I've enjoyed is 10 cogs with
> cassettes built using not only 10 sp spacers but real 10 sp cogs, with both
> 10 sp and 11 sp chains. The 9 and 8 sp cassettes I used had proper spacers
> but cogs of all ages and generations including 7s and Uniglides, but even
> those shifted fine -- I never complained, even tho' my 10s shift better.
>
> I said yesterday and someone else also pointed out that a great deal of
> friction shifting precision results from a happy match of shifter with
> derailleur. The 9 speed drivetrain that shifted in friction almost as well
> as the "proper" 10 sp systems was a bastard cassette shifted by a
> Microshift rd pulled by a first-gen Silver BES. Lovely, tho' due to the
> mismatch of the cogs, not quite as lovely as the current Barcon + 7402 + 10
> sp cassette build from proper 10 sp cogs carrying 11 sp chain.
>
> Patrick Moore, who also found that small-barrel Retrofriction dt shifters
> shifted 10 sp Am Classic close ratio cassettes very, very well, back circa
> 2003-2005.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:08 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
>> I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok
>> But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes.
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, I read a few years ago that using a chain 1 generation more advanced
than one's cassette improved shifting because the later and narrower chain
avoids rubbing on adjacent cogs a wee but noticeable bit better than the
earlier chain. I've been using 11 sp chains on my 10 sp cassettes, and
while the difference isn't striking, I think it does keep the chain quieter
while not in any way compromising shifting precision or speed.

In any event, the best friction shifting I've enjoyed is 10 cogs with
cassettes built using not only 10 sp spacers but real 10 sp cogs, with both
10 sp and 11 sp chains. The 9 and 8 sp cassettes I used had proper spacers
but cogs of all ages and generations including 7s and Uniglides, but even
those shifted fine -- I never complained, even tho' my 10s shift better.

I said yesterday and someone else also pointed out that a great deal of
friction shifting precision results from a happy match of shifter with
derailleur. The 9 speed drivetrain that shifted in friction almost as well
as the "proper" 10 sp systems was a bastard cassette shifted by a
Microshift rd pulled by a first-gen Silver BES. Lovely, tho' due to the
mismatch of the cogs, not quite as lovely as the current Barcon + 7402 + 10
sp cassette build from proper 10 sp cogs carrying 11 sp chain.

Patrick Moore, who also found that small-barrel Retrofriction dt shifters
shifted 10 sp Am Classic close ratio cassettes very, very well, back circa
2003-2005.



On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:08 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok
> But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes.
>

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Jonathan Thomas]

Trying this again with a link and better pictures. 

Apologies for multiple post.

sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-fs-64cm-rivendell/7738102296.html

Jonathan

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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[Cal Patterson]

I'd like to throw in a vote for the Bruce Gordon rock 'n road tires, 700x 
43.  I have those on my Sam, under fenders, and they're great.  I like the 
way they corner better than the UD Rosé's squishy triangle knobs.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 7:37:39 AM UTC-7 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve had a lot of luck with the Ultradynamico Cava JFFs on my Homer. 
>
> Josh
> Seattle, WA
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:41:32 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Great tip! Thank you
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> I had a 60cm Cheviot and 48 knobbies from Rene Herse fit fine. I ended 
>>> up riding 38 slicks (Barlow Pass) as they felt better on pavement on that 
>>> bike and handled all the gravel and trails that I was doing at the time. I 
>>> loved both tires and the bike, but prefer the capability and clearance with 
>>> the 48's in my Appaloosa. 42's like the Ultradynamico or Rene Herse would 
>>> likely be a perfect middle ground.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Indpls
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:12:53 PM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>>>
 Forgot to mention I have a pair of Ultradynamico Cava Jff 42's- 
 thinking about trying these but heard they are prone to flats


 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a 
> Cheviut.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
>> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
>> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
>> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
>> Any suggestions? 
>> Panracers, Rene Herse?
>> Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[johnb]

It is a blue-grey.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:40:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Aww, bummer :( Thanks for the info Johnny
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 
>>> in the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement 
>>> seems too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 
>>> 51's, that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
 measurement for the listed sizes.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
> 
>  doesn't 
> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to 
>> top of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. 
>> I 
>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I 
>> barely 
>> clear the TT..
>>
>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
>>> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
>>> size 
>>> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I 
 don't know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If 
 the 
 numbers are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b 
 wheels. 
 That is a nice looking build with nice parts.
 Doug

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for 
> selling and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
> Hillborne. I just wanted to double-check the size on it before I 
> commit. 
> The listing says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions 
> on a 
> 53cm: on their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm 
> if it 
> is 54cm or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 
> 54cm, but 
> I'm sure a 53 would be fine too.  
>
> All the best,
> Robert 
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>
>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>- Paul brake levers
>>- Tektro brakes
>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>- 9-speed cassette
>>- Acera derailleur 
>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>- Paul thumbies 
>>
>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>
>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Steve]

The fact that the "Friction vs Indexed" conversation has persisted for over 
30 years now is testimony that both have their merits.

- My Rivendell with a 3x8 drivetrain and Silver 2 thumb shifters is, of 
course, in friction mode (as was my 1970 ten speed Schwinn and my mid 70's 
Raleigh). I like it that way. 

- My Ritchey with 1x11 and a Microshift thumbie  is usually in indexed 
mode, but I'll switch mid-ride to friction whenever it's a bit out of tune 
and I don't feel like playing with the barrel adjusters. I like it that way.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok 
> But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes. 
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 
>> Crank is Sugino. 
>> Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down 
>> when stomping the pedals.  
>> Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
>> Nothing else changed 
>> Seems to be working really well. 
>>  
>> Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
>> 11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
>>  
>> What has been your experience?  
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

I’ve had a lot of luck with the Ultradynamico Cava JFFs on my Homer. 

Josh
Seattle, WA
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:41:32 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Great tip! Thank you
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> I had a 60cm Cheviot and 48 knobbies from Rene Herse fit fine. I ended up 
>> riding 38 slicks (Barlow Pass) as they felt better on pavement on that bike 
>> and handled all the gravel and trails that I was doing at the time. I loved 
>> both tires and the bike, but prefer the capability and clearance with the 
>> 48's in my Appaloosa. 42's like the Ultradynamico or Rene Herse would 
>> likely be a perfect middle ground.
>>
>> Eric
>> Indpls
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:12:53 PM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention I have a pair of Ultradynamico Cava Jff 42's- thinking 
>>> about trying these but heard they are prone to flats
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a 
 Cheviut.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
> Any suggestions? 
> Panracers, Rene Herse?
> Other?
>
> Thanks!
>


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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Hoch in ut]

I’ve tried 8,9,10 speeds with friction shifting. 10 speed, nope. 9 was ok 
But settled on 8-speed for pretty much all friction shift bikes. 

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

> I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 
> Crank is Sugino. 
> Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down 
> when stomping the pedals.  
> Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
> Nothing else changed 
> Seems to be working really well. 
>  
> Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
> 11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
>  
> What has been your experience?  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[ascpgh]

What makes friction work for me isn't only about holding the derailleur 
position, ie: not having frame flex produce cable pull or the lever slip, 
but rather the tactile ability to quickly and accurately move to the next 
cog without need to trim. If the feedback required to do that is only 
sounds, perhaps the Campy cassette has a greater ability to cope silently 
with a bit of trim needed but is really close to engaging the ramps to the 
next cog (presuming your ghost shifting is to a larger cog). 

On my Rambouillet I have 8-Spd Shimano cassette, Suntour Barcons and a 
fixed RD upper pulley (vs floating) Mavic 840/845 RD. I can feel the need 
for trim through the pedals and at the lever when making the shift. This is 
an easy to shift bike in situations with lots of noise. I found out last 
week riding this bike for the first time in a couple of years on a regular 
group ride that it does not accoustically  telegraph my shifts compared to 
all the hollow/resonant CFRP index only shifting bikes (cable or wireless) 
drive trains. Those seem to cultivate pedaling through shifts, no matter 
how hard you are pedaling and some really audible shifting events. Unsure 
if this is just novice rider behavior or a rationalizing selling point for 
the more experienced rider who thinks easing on the pedals is weakness and 
a source of speed loss. Either way, others listen for shifting as a cue in 
groups, actively or passively and my drive train doesn't give it. 

On my commuter I have 8-Spd Shimano cassette, Shimano bar end shifters and 
a floating upper pulley Shimano XT RD. I cannot as accurately friction 
shift this drive train despite my commuting times providing a pretty quiet 
environment and still do not have as confident friction shifting due to 
less tactile feedback from either the levers or pedals and I mostly leave 
it in indexing mode.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:27:21 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

> I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 
> Crank is Sugino. 
> Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down 
> when stomping the pedals.  
> Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
> Nothing else changed 
> Seems to be working really well. 
>  
> Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
> 11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
>  
> What has been your experience?  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Nick Payne]

On Monday 15 April 2024 at 4:11:18 am UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto.


On my Appaloosa the internal diameter of the seat tube was actually 
slightly over 26.8. I tried three different 26.8 posts I had, including the 
one supplied with the frame, and they were all slightly loose with the 
binder bolt not tightened. As I had a 27.0 Nitto and an adjustable reamer, 
I reamed the seat tube so that the 27.0 post was an exact fit in the seat 
tube.

Nick Payne 

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