[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Doug H.]

I would be interested in an RBW51 for my Roadini if this sale does not 
happen.
Doug

On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:21:11 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OK I tried emailing you 
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:47:02 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> R10 found! @Bill I didn't receive your PM. Checked junk folder but 
>> nothing. Please try again when you are able. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I messaged you regarding an RBW51 in my holdings.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 

 A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Doug H.]

I concur. I sent this scammer Leah's way unknowingly. Stay away from this 
person. In this case his "cousin" just bought a Homer and so was selling 
his Roadini. He must troll this group for want to buy posts and pounces.  
Karma is a concept of action, work, or deed, and its effect or 
consequences. Here's hoping that a little karma is heading his way.
Doug

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Andrew Joseph wrote:

> Bad experience with Jeff and the “seller,” he directed me to with a Homer 
> as well!
>
> I posted that I want to buy a Mustard frameset.  
> Jeff directed me to his friend, and it went very badly from there. 
>  Fortunately, I sent no payment.
>
> I also reported this to Admin.  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2024, at 5:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
> wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
>> scammed?  
>>
>> BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
>> from the seller. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Brenton-
>>> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was not 
>>> so.
>>>
>>> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
>>> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can 
>>> help you.
>>>
>>> My regards,
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> I got scammed too last year over these - 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>>>   
>>> last year.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
 pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that I 
 feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
 bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 

 I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via *jeff00m...@gmail.com* 
 who said they were friends with a seller named "Leonard" and I gave my 
 phone number to that emailer.

 The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
 <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they told 
 me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have lots 
 of 
 friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, they 
 accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.

 Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
 says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.

 On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:

> Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in my 
> ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:
>
> " @Brenton -
> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
> Homer under the owner's name of 
> *Payton Beargrr* 
> 
>  
>
> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. 
> I 
> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
> -Brooks saddle
> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
> -Riv Silver double crankset
> -IRD front derailleur
> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
> -Sackville bag
> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
> noted in the pictures. 
> $2500 + shipping. 
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Kim Hetzel."
>
> Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton said 
> owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and the 
> owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*
>
> I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and he 
> wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me for $1300 (complete bike, insane 
> price). The whole thing is odd. They can't send me a pic with measure 
> tape 
> to prove a claim of *69cm standover*. It sure doesn't look like a 
> 54.5 based on every other Riv stack I've seen and studied. Our messages 
> have been super cryptic. 
>
> 

[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[Doug H.]

The Brooks saddle is sold. Remaining items: 

   1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
   true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim and 
   black hub. $140 shipped
   2. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $35 shipped
   3. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 miles 
   on it. Very little signs of use. 2.4 mm offset $40 shipped
   4. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $30 shipped

Link to photos:  Parts for Sale 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>

Doug

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 10:28:16 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> The VO Happy Stem is sold. All other parts available. Feel free to make an 
> offer.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>
>> PM sent!
>>
>> Nick in Falls Church VA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
>>> luck with your sale!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
>>>> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Doug,
>>>>>
>>>>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics 
>>>>> doesn't seem to work for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that 
>>>>>> I need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. 
>>>>>>Spins true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. 
>>>>>> Silver 
>>>>>>rim and black hub. $140 shipped
>>>>>>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>>>>>>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>>>>>>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 
>>>>>>200 miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>>>>>>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>>>>>>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 
>>>>>>shipped
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
>>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[Doug H.]

The VO Happy Stem is sold. All other parts available. Feel free to make an 
offer.
Doug

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> PM sent!
>
> Nick in Falls Church VA
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
>> luck with your sale!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
>>> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Doug,
>>>>
>>>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics 
>>>> doesn't seem to work for me.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that 
>>>>> I need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. 
>>>>>Spins true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. 
>>>>> Silver 
>>>>>rim and black hub. $140 shipped
>>>>>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>>>>>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>>>>>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>>>>>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>>>>>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>>>>>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
>>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Parts for Sale

[Doug H.]

I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
need to sell to clear some space in my work are.

   1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
   true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim and 
   black hub. $140 shipped
   2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
   3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
   4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 miles 
   on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
   5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
   6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped

Photos in this link Parts for Sale 


Doug
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Doug H.]

Agreed Joe. Bill is a good man. And, what a fleet of bikes! I love the look 
of drop bars on a road bike. To my older eyes they just look appropriate. I 
say that as I'm converting my recently acquired Roadini to an Albatross 
bar. 
Doug

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 7:10:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a 
>> good man Bill Lindsay. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your 
>>> own rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a 
>>> floral backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
 first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
 especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
 porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
 her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
 dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is 
 my 
 new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  
 Included 
 is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
 100k.  

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Doug H.]

Same conversation I have with my wife annually, sometimes semi-annually. 
Haha
Doug

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>
> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see.
>
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>
>
> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
> road bike?
>
> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>
> Can I prove that to you?
> No. 
> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>
> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>
> But I just might.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>> big names don't do it.
>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>> noticing it.
>>
>> Check out this ad:
>>
>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>
>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>> work for you.
>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
>>> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
>>> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
>>> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
>>> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
>>> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
>>> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
>>> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
>>> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
>>> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
>>> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
>>> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
>>> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
>>> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
>>> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
>>> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
>>> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
 “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
 mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
 is 
 to know.

 I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when 
 I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
 pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
 racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still 
 knowing 
 nothing! 

 Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
 community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season 
 I 
 end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting 
 lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot 
 further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a 
 metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m 
 hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought 

[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Doug H.]

I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
measurement for the listed sizes.
Doug

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>  doesn't 
> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
>> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
>> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
>> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
>> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>>
>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm 
>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>> sure 
>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>>>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Short Pull Levers

[Doug H.]

I need a set of flat bar short pull levers for a handlebar swap. If you 
have bar end or thumb shifters for 9 speed you'd sell let me know too.

I have a few parts to sell or trade if there is any interest: Velo Orange 
Happy Stem 110 mm length and 31.8 bar clamp; well used Jitensha bars with 
tape residue; short Nitto quill to threadless converter: Shimano long pull 
flat bar levers (Alivio level likely) black and gray; MKS Sylvan pedals. Or 
I can pay cash.
Doug
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] WTB: Albastache Handlebar

[Doug H.]

Hi folks,
Does anyone have an Albastache bar to sell? I want to try one on my 
Roadini. 
Doug
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Doug H.]

I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't know 
how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers are 
accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a nice 
looking build with nice parts.
Doug

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
> 53 would be fine too.  
>
> All the best,
> Robert 
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First up, 
>> a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>
>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>- Paul brake levers
>>- Tektro brakes
>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>- 9-speed cassette
>>- Acera derailleur 
>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>- Paul thumbies 
>>
>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>
>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>
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[RBW] Re: NBD Leo Roadini

[Doug H.]

That is a fine looking bicycle Scott. I hope you enjoy many miles of 
cycling on your new Leo Roadini. I will join you in the Roadini club soon.
Doug

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 10:20:31 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> [image: IMG_6743.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell style

[Doug H.]

I enjoy Bike Snob and the "Just Kidding" boat  photo never fails to make me 
chuckle. Eben's irreverent sense of humor is right up my alley. Not kidding.
Doug

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 11:27:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> For those of you too refined to read Bike Snob regularly, you might want 
> to make an exception for today's (Thursday's) post for Rivendell build 
> canons and style rules. Video included of new Riv owner anxious about 
> acceptance in the Rivendell World. [35-year-old narrator needs training in 
> public speaking.] [Recall when a schtick about Calvin's ~35-year-old father 
> was his mid-30s decrepitude and the absurdity of a middle-aged man riding a 
> bicycle in the wind, rain, and snow. "Time just gets away from us."]
>
> This was fun:
>
> And finally, your Rivendell bicycle should feature a highly 
> improvisational handlebar treatment:
>
> Basically it’s like the Velominati on acid.
>
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>
> ---
>
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> services
>
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> ---
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>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Doug H.]

Ian,
I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
Microshift worked for me.
Doug

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>
> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>
> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
> gears.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
>>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
>>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
>>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
>>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
>>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
>>> trying to make these work. 
>>>
>>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
>>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
>>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>>> noticeable difference.
>>>
>>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>>> advice welcome.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[Doug H.]

Perfect setting for a do-it-all bike.
Doug

On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I second that. Killer bike. 
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love this bike!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper 
>>> photo taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken 
>>> midway up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a 
>>> creek up the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it 
>>> was rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
>>> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
>>> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
>>> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
>>> hike-a-bike. 
>>>
>>> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
>>> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
>>> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
>>> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
>>> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
>>> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
>>> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
>>> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>>>
>>> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
>>> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
>>> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
>>> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
>>> some more adventures on this soon! 
>>>
>>> [image: 103081.jpg] 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Here is one on C-list albeit with a double chainring. It looks 
pristine: 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
Doug

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 12:15:29 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it 
> was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer 
> has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've 
> got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her 
> Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Cheviot Owners

[Doug H.]

I was thinking the same. Cheviots defy gravity!
Doug

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 9:49:59 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:

> that floating pic is a mind-bender! 
>
> -tio 
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:42:21 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
>> Here is mine this afternoon..
>> I love my Cheviot.
>> I love my Cheviot a bit more than I love my Betty Foy (team long chain 
>> stay).
>> I will probably love a Platypus more than I love my Cheviot; I maxed out 
>> the tires at 55mm and I my sweet spot is 65. I want both the clearance and 
>> v-brake/canti studs a Platy offers. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Oli in SF
>>
>> [image: IMG_0272 (3).jpeg][image: IMG_0293 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Cheviots and I think they are so regal. This color is one of 
>>> my favorites, too. 
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2024, at 8:32 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love my Cheviot & don't see myself selling it. The novelty seeking 
>>> side of me was/is curious about the Platypus but I don't really see a 
>>> functional difference between the two (unless you're splitting hairs about 
>>> tire clearance and cantilever-posts) and I like the urbane look of the 
>>> Cheviot. My wife has a Platypus and loves it too. The Platypus/Cheviot are 
>>> maybe my favorite Rivendells ever made with the old Toyo Atlantis/Roadini 
>>> (which my wife also owns) being tied for second. Here's my 60...
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Doug H.]

Fantastic!! I've been keeping up with the PBE posts on Instagram. The 
number of vendors and cool products is amazing. I have added this to my 
bucket list of activities to do. Thanks for sharing the photos and short 
video of Pam maneuvering the box through the exhibit hall. The RivSisters 
look happy.
Doug

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:33:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pam doing Pam Things (video, hope it works):
>
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[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[Doug H.]

Hi Kiley,
Check out this old thread for some pertinent information:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VS2OKsjxd3U

Doug

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 2:15:30 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I am *still* getting my Clem L finished (it was 'found' stock which I now 
> understand was not in inventory originally because it had issues which 
> weren't tracked so I received a bike with build issues). I didn't like the 
> shifter arrangement so I purchased Microshift thumbshifters. When I put new 
> shifters on my Cheviot, I don't recall which ones I purchased, but I do 
> know they were easy to reverse on the holders. This doesn't seem possible 
> with the Mircroshift shifters. 
>
> I am looking for corroboration that they cannot be reversed (the internal 
> stack) on the holders. As it stands, they are on the outside of the 
> handlebars. Then, assuming I am correct, I am looking for recommendations 
> on other shifters that will work (i.e. Silver, Sunrace, Dia Compe). 
>
> Thank you!
>
> kiley
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Doug H.]

How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like the 
Roadini?
Doug

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:

> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Doug H.]

Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? And, I 
wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to see. 
Doug

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite of 
> the Rivendell colors. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>
>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
>> handlebars
>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar if 
>> preferred .
>>
>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black 
>> and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
>>
>> Cool stuff.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Here is one on 
craigslist... 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
Doug

On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, still searching for a 50cm Roadini.. I know I can still get a new 
> frameset, but hoping to get in with a bit cheaper route.. frameset or 
> complete.. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Doug H.]

That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with the 
market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good value 
for an excellent product.
Doug

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:

> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
>> crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set 
>> you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog 
>> Cycles price...
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 54 cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Will from Rivendell would recommend a 50 for you as he did for me. I'm 
5'10" (almost) with an 83 PBH. My saddle height is 71.5 cm. But, I'm still 
thinking I would prefer a 54.
Doug

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:

> Thanks for the link, I saw that one as well, unfortunately too big.
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I was just thinking I had seen one recently but it’s a 57. Nonetheless 
>> here’s the link:
>>
>> [image: 418748400_7019085838173016_3719984432333502610_n.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Leo Roadini 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>> facebook.com 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/947484313436277/?mibextid=HHaHfI>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2024, at 13:30, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> Judd,
>>
>> I was in the same boat recently, actually still am. Can I ask what your 
>> height and PBH is for reference?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fine folks 
>>>
>>> I am looking for a 54cm Roadini, no preferences for year or color. 
>>>  Prefer complete but open to frame as well, thanks.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: All Rounder

[Doug H.]

Here is one from C-List. Seems pricey to me... Link 

Doug


On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 12:07:47 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Yes, that would wor—Toyo or Waterford Atlantis in ~55 or 56 size. 
> Preferably 26” or maybe 650b. 
>
> I’ve tried the long chainstays and it does not work for me. 
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:44:18 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If not an AR, a 54.5cm or 56cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis 26” will be 
>> nearly the same. Probably easier to score, too.
>>
>> I’m 5’8” with a 83 PBH, and riding a 54.5 Atlantis. Could just as easily 
>> ride a 56cm.
>>
>> - Brian 
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:26 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>
>> Looking for an All Rounder. Not sure what the sizing was, but my PBH is 
>> 83.3cm at 5’11”. 
>>
>>
>> I’ll most likely equip it with moustache or similar “sporty” bars. 
>>
>> Please let me know if you have one available. 
>>
>> I may be talked into a pre-MIT Atlantis or Hunqapillar. Thanks. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Doug H.]

Or, maybe not a Stumpjumper but looks good. What model is it?
Doug

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 5:57:47 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep 
>> on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too 
>> strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really 
>> have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy 
>> backup)
>>
>> Eric 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was 
>>> an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it 
>>> feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t 
>>> much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load 
>>> is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford 
>>> one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike 
>>> though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a 
>>> priority. 
>>> The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion! 
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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Doug H.]

That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!
Doug

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep 
> on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too 
> strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really 
> have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy 
> backup)
>
> Eric 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was 
>> an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it 
>> feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t 
>> much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load 
>> is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford 
>> one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike 
>> though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a 
>> priority. 
>> The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Doug H.]

I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black 
components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers 
about the color. ;)
Doug

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>
> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>
>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>
>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>
>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>>> for paint
>>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>>> excited about that.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
 big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
 conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
 that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
> and 
> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
> them 
> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>>> and 
>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>>> then 
>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>>> supposed 
>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
>>> at 
>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>>> not 
>>> be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
 wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>> I paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>> eager to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
>> pleasant visit all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, 

[RBW] Re: ISO 54 cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Judd,
I was in the same boat recently, actually still am. Can I ask what your 
height and PBH is for reference?
Doug

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:

> Hello fine folks 
>
> I am looking for a 54cm Roadini, no preferences for year or color.  Prefer 
> complete but open to frame as well, thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Doug H.]

I too have tried B17s level and it doesn't work for me. The nose up 
slightly is my preferred setting. It looks odd to my eyes when I'm not on 
the bike and I've seen them turned up much farther than I would like. It 
seems that there are many variations of bums and you have to adjust to your 
comfort. Let us know how you like the Roadini!
Doug

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> Jay, my experience only…
> I read on the Analog site I think, that a B17 properly adjusted does not 
> need a break in to be comfortable. I concur. My first B17 may have come to 
> me with a few miles on it but it was sublimely comfortable as soon as I got 
> the nose up. Probably important to note that I am bolt upright Lon my Clem 
> with Bosco bar higher than the saddle by at least a couple of inches. Based 
> on that experience I ordered a brand new B17 for my Gus. I replicated my 
> position including nose up & that is even more comfortable. I do not know 
> if the nose up thing works on a more road oriented position especially with 
> drops? And, I have not worn padded shorts in a long time. 100% merino 
> boxers for me. Prior to being gifted the first B17 I had a B67 on the Clem. 
> It was very good but when I reluctantly tried the B17 I never looked back.
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 30, 2024, at 10:27 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
> different.  
>
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road 
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It 
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I 
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used 
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr 
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and 
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that 
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle 
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I 
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini. 
>  I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather 
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only 
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
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[RBW] Bikeshop A-Hole Video

[Doug H.]

It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing you'll 
even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you all might 
enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in the same 
vein. Enjoy. Video 

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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Doug H.]

I too am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. I saw Russ interview Grant on 
Path Less Pedaled Link  and 
Grant showed a prototype and talked about the design and purpose of the 
bike. If I don't buy a Roadini then I will wait for the Gallop in August.
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:33:11 PM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> I'd like to grab an Appaloosa - curious about the colors that will be on 
> offer. 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
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Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Doug H.]

Selling a carbon full suspension mtb to make room for a Roaduno!! Approve!
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:20:50 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the official word. I’d decided on my own not to post. I do 
> understand. Thanks.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2024, at 1:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks to those who already responded, but putting on my admin cap:
>
> >2019 Ibis Mojo 3
>
> This would be solidly outside of the selling guidelines for this group. 
> Plenty of other places to find an excited buyer for that. 
>
> - J
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
>> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike in 
>>> question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal to 
>>> list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be fine. 
>>> I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have a 
 bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Doug H.]

Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
Doug

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
>> And  they all having such a good time. 
>>
>> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
>> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
>> suppose. 
>>
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: 
 VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]

 Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
 :0) Quite fun! 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc

 The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
 https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html

 I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
 Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

My message was poorly worded. I like the Sergio Green. In fact, I've liked 
all of the green Rivendells I've seen. Orange isn't my favorite though so 
my hesitation on buying the like new Orange frameset that is now on 
Craigslist. Thanks all for you help and tips. I'll let this thread roll on 
down the list.
Doug

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:21:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Doug -
> Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green 
> despite the wording being so ? ... or ? 
>
> At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than 
> you anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with 
> and my blue Clem. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>> Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
>> my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
>> decisions... :-)
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>>>
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>>>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
>>>>> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
>>>>> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
>>>>> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
>>>>> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>>>>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>>>>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> heads up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, 
>>>>>> Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to 
>>>>>> just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is 
>>>>>> orange 
>>>>>> so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to 
>>>>>> pick it up but decided I did not need it.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for 
>>>>>> sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I 
>>>>>> prefer on that size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian 
>>>>>>> Cunningham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>>>>>>>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at 
>>>>>>>> least it 
>>>>>>>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of 
>>>>>>>> sand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
>>>>>>>&

[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Doug H.]

That Sergio Green is on par with Lime Olive, maybe better. Wow, that saddle 
is way up there! The bike looks great already even without grips.
Doug

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:05:22 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Another happy Platypus owner. I’m so happy you’re enjoying it; it will be 
> fun to see what customizations you arrive at as you discover how you’d like 
> the setup to be. Starting with new Paul brakes, so I hear!
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
>> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
>> Sergio Green.
>>
>> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
>> to the green. 
>> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out 
>> right away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear 
>> SunRace derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
>> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
>> alone. 
>> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
>> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
>> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
>> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
>> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
>> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
>> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
>> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
>> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
>> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right 
>> choice for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be 
>> great! 
>> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
>> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
>> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>>
>> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure 
>> joy so far! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Hi Kim,
Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is 
my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, 
decisions... :-)
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
>> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The 
>>> dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just 
>>> asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a 
>>> fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) 
>>> third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
>>> heads up!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? 
>>>> I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. 
>>>> It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>>>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>>>> but decided I did not need it.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. 
>>>> I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>>>> that size.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
>>>>>> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>>>>>>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 
>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>>>>> Thanks all.
>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I don't know the answer but my assumption is that it is the same geometry. 
I sold my Clem so am currently without a Rivendell. I've been riding my 
Wabi single speed which I really like. Single speed riding is fun but I 
want a geared bike too. The Roadini seems like the best option for me 
although I would take a Homer if one were available in my size (51). You 
won't have to wait too much longer for a Roaduno if the frame schedule 
holds true.
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>>>>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>>>>> height. 
>>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
heads up!
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
> but decided I did not need it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
> that size.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>>> height. 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. 
>>>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
that size.
Thanks,
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>>> height. 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Doug H.]

This is a ride I want to do in the next few years. I'll be looking forward 
to your ride report!
Doug

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:18 AM UTC-5 Joe in the Pay Area 
wrote:

> Andy, Enjoy The Ride !!! You're about to experience one of the greatest 
> cities in the world by pedaling it !!! Forget all the blather about this 
> tire and that chainring and just be a kid again, on a bike, with lots of 
> other bikes, and enjoy it. Go. Out. For. A. Ride. ("Mom? I'm goin' out on 
> my bike.") Maybe even put a baseball card in your spokes to make some 
> noise. Maybe some streamers too?
>
> I have ridden it many, many times, going way back when it was orange vests 
> from AYH, the ride's founder and sole sponsor (until some bank had to get 
> involved). ("AYH" = American Youth Hostels,  a great bike store in its own 
> right, and a go-to outdoor outfitter. R.I.P. AYH.) You'll be on roads that 
> normally won't allow you to enjoy the views you'll now be Inside Of! The 
> only time you can stop On Top Of The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is if a car 
> accident has stopped traffic, so how lucky are you that the span has been 
> closed Just For You?!
>
> It's a *ride*, Andy. There'll be skinny tire flyers there and also bikes 
> that have last seen daylight during the Truman Administration. But you, 
> Andy, you'll be exactly what you are, a tourist, a Cycling Tourist, with a 
> familiar bike under you and thousands of fellow pedalers surrounding you, 
> so sit back, find a cadence that allows you to see it all, and Enjoy The 
> Ride, kid.
>
> (And if you need a baseball card and a clothespin, lemme know. Alas...I'm 
> all out of streamers.)
>
> (And do your homework. If you spend a week in da Big Apple and don't eat 
> pizza at least 5 times, you've missed out.)
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 2:17:42 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My wife and I did it a number of years ago (still 30,000 riders). It is 
>> an amazing roll through a city you never get to see in this way, even if 
>> you've ridden there before because you are able to look around which I 
>> couldn't when riding around NYC when I was there by myself with a bike. 
>>
>> Our approach was to park on Staten Island, take the ferry over  for the 
>> start. We were in the back half of the start after securing the rental bike 
>> my wife opted for. Rest and refreshment stops were packed with our 29,998 
>> friends each time we stopped. The Gowanus Expressway to Verrazano Park and 
>> the bridge was hot and both of use were out of water. By the time we got 
>> off the elevated highway and saw a food truck selling Gatorade we were 
>> pretty needy and the baseball stadium price for the 12 oz bottles was worth 
>> every penny. 
>>
>> The Verrazano Narrows Bridge on a bike is worth any hardship you endure 
>> on this ride. There will be refreshments, entertainment and food at the 
>> Staten Island afterparty. Many riders will rest, recharge and socialize 
>> before taking the ferries back over to Manhattan. I have no recs for 
>> whether to enjoy the music food and community or get on the ferr quickly. 
>> We just rode to the rent bike return site, loaded my bike in the car and 
>> faced essentially no traffic as we left the island towards Newark, NJ and 
>> home. 
>>
>> Fun ride, take pictures, report back.
>> [image: 0B26E98E-F3A4-4191-AF97-7C4A40824DE4_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 2C0395CC-B633-4B93-A08A-3A5F91609ECF_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 4B5A58FC-A919-480F-889A-7414E089FAE7_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 282BD64D-6BD4-4A97-BAC3-C05153020A05_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> B6D93789-352B-4C47-A956-46287F639DE3_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 8A3A12C3-0476-4C23-BA7F-FA59F5208F8E_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>>
>>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Doug H.]

I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the 
production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too 
long affect ride quality?
Doug

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  
>
>
> It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until 
> the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" 
> update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the 
> Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.  
>  
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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Doug H.]

Steve,
The black rims, fenders, cables and levers look awesome on your Platypus. 
Nicely done.
Doug

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can I put in a plug for the Platypus? I've been riding mine on group rides 
> and it's been a delight. The bike is gorgeous. The price took away my 
> breath one time when I made the payment, but I get a little flutter every 
> time I see my bike, and the joy I feel when I ride it takes away any memory 
> I had of the monetary cost. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:40:48 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There is another related thread about this:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ho2ri9Tm6jQ/m/mVKYtqAIAQAJ
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:52:04 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I used the word perhaps a LOT of times there
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>

 For the type of riding you describe either will work. Since it is for 
 her she should go with whichever speaks to her more. Perhaps a higher 
 price 
 will make her treat it more delicately and perhaps ride it less OR perhaps 
 because the Platy is fancier she will wan to ride it much more. Either way 
 there is no wrong answer as far as quality of product or ride.
 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Sean, I can't respond fully to your question --  I've not ridden a 
> Clem. I have seen one up close and personal though. RBW describes the 
> Clem 
> as MTB-ish, and the example I saw was an exceptional build; big RH 
> knobbies 
> and polished Paul brakes and levers (I want one just like it!!!).
>
> I find my Platypus to be exactly as Rivendell describes it. Back to 
> your question -- 
> I don't know your wife, but here's the thing with the Platypus, if you 
> think she would appreciate a bicycle that she falls in love with all over 
> again every time she rides it, then go with the Platypus!
>
> Steve in Asheville, NC
>
>
>
> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg] if 
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>
>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding 
>> together.  
>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets 
>> frustrated 
>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and 
>> enjoy 
>> the ride with her.
>>
>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell 
>> seems 
>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for 
>> us 
>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best 
>> choice.
>>
>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first 
>> suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - 
>> plush, 
>> stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a 
>> bit 
>> surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the 
>> Clem.  
>> When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, 
>> but 
>> didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why 
>> I 
>> am reaching out to the group.
>>
>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both 
>> the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet 
>> my 
>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs 
>> are 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Doug H.]

That's a beauty Joe! The Paul Motolites look fantastic on a Clem. Enjoy 
cruising on your new cruiser. Nothing eats up miles like a Clem and on any 
surface.
Doug

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:50:38 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a wonderful and sparkley way to kick off the New Year! Can't wait to 
> hear about the rides this bike embarks on in it's next chapter!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, it 
>> feels like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!
>>
>> Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. But 
>> it's a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>>>
>>> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure 
>>> that you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I walk 
>>> by mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I am 
>>> very delighted to own one. 
>>>
>>> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>>>
>>> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around Clear 
>>> Lake.
>>>
>>> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>>>
>>> All my best,
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. 
 From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has 
 lived quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.

 Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
 Leah

 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Remember Leah's lovely shimmery blue Clem L? Now it's MY lovely 
> shimmery blue Clem L! This is pre-racked and bagged and all that (and 
> there's an errant black brake cable cuz I'm waiting for a long gray one) 
> but I wanted to show off my new-to-me bike. It's wonderful, I love it 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Lake County CA
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240101_203513.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20240101_203538.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Doug H.]

Fantastic bike Roberta! I love the personal touches you put on it to make 
it your custom Rivendell. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.
Doug

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:00:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL them 
> after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the 
> culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about 
> this for awhile…
>
> And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also 
> think on THAT.
> L
>
> On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Fantastic Roberta!
>
>
>
> A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
> all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
> riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
> been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
> specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
> riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
> deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
> knowledge.
>
> It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not working 
> 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy appears 
> ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, validating 
> fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride report.
>
> Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>
>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>
>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>> Homer.
>>
>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
>> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
>> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
>> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
>> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
>> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>>
>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>
>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>
>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
>> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
>> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
>> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
>> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
>> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>>
>> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
>> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
>> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
>> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>>
>> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the 
>> hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
>> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
>> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
>> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
>> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
>> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Thanks Johnny and Brian. I really could ride either size it seems the 
difference being how much seat post is showing as you said Brian. I'm 
thinking drop bars so the 50 might be a little better with that 
configuration.
Doug

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Oops! An error on my part. We have a 2.5cm difference in saddle height, 
> not 2.5 inches. So a 54 should still give you four inches of seatpost.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points 
>> that might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover 
>> height is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height 
>> gives me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 
>>
>> Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm 
>> of difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
>> (56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
>> good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
>> away.
>>
>> As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars 
>> comfortably high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge 
>> below saddle) without having to size up. 
>>
>> I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Brian
>> Glendale, CA
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
>>> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
>>> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
Doug

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
>
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[RBW] Re: Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

[Doug H.]

Baking soda and water does the trick on mirrors! My German mirror is the 
best I've used and I feel safer riding with it. I'm not sure of the size or 
sourcing of that little brass screw but maybe see if the folks at Rivendell 
can help you out.
Doug

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:05:52 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Over the years, these dull.  I always thought they pitted and the lack of 
> clarity was too much for me.  I'd toss them and buy more.  At $30 a pop, it 
> was a bit much, but I like the low profile of the mirror.
>
> I went to Riv's web site to get another, saw this, tried the baking soda 
> with water suggestion and now the mirror reflects as good as new!
>
> From Riv's site:  " After a couple years the mirror might dull a bit, but 
> can be brought back to life by scrubbing it with baking soda and water, or 
> toothpaste."
>
> Roberta
>
> PS If anyone knows the size of this housing screw or has an extra one, I'd 
> like to know the size or buy the screw. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Doug H.]

Agreed Johnny. The Altus derailers are classy in a functional way. 
Doug

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:35:56 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Agreed. Beautiful. I really love those Altus rear derailers. 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:14:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
>>> 2019 45cm Clem
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
 Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
 spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle 
> that 
> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats 
> what 
> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well 
> for 
> you.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Hi Dorothy,
>>
>> Good question! 
>>
>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll 
>> get 
>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>> there would be a saddle. 
>>
>> Sally
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>
 My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete 
 arrived yesterday by UPS!

 We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
 closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but 
 equally 
 excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
 twine, etc. 

 Xmas came early here in California! 

 Cheers to all...

 On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and 
> all the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was 
> getting a 
> new frame... 樂
>
> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get 
>> your wife’s in time! 
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. 
>> Hoping to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! 
>>> All you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m 
>>> waiting 
>>> for wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the 
>>> tubes and 
>>> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a 
>>> B-68 and 
>>> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, 
>>> fenders, etc, 
>>> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a 
>>> blue Sam 
>>> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
>>> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. 
>>> I’m in 
>>> NC.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners 
>>> Bunch wrote:
>>>
 Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of 
 gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 

 (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
 taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my 
 mom was 
 born there and I love to visit!)

 S.

 On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler <
 divis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. 

Re: [RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Ahmed,
That is a nice color too. I will message you privately.
Doug

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:12:41 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> I’m willing to sell my mermaid 54 complete if that interests you. I’m in 
> the SF Bay Area but I’ve sold on here before and shipped via bike flights 
> and my LBS. It’s barely been ridden and has some nice higher end parts. 
>
> Best
> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:28 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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[RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Frameset or complete would work. 
Doug Hansford
Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Lime Olive 50 cm Platypus frame

[Doug H.]

What does one call a flock of Platypuses??? 
Doug

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:41:28 AM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:

> Ahhh,... Judge NOT,... lest YOU be Judged! :-)
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:07:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And colors. 
>> Whatever. Don’t judge.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Doug H.]

Jake,
That is interesting that the bikes are about equal in weight but one rides 
"zippier and lighter". I've heard this before in comparing the Clem to the 
Platypus but I just don't know what qualities makes a bike feel zippier if 
it isn't lighter weight.
Thanks,
Doug

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree with what Garth is saying about weight/size differences. Depending 
> on the respective builds and how the sizing falls, it's possible that a 
> Platypus could be every bit as long and heavy as a Clem. As people in the 
> 81-84cm pbh range, I have a 55cm Platypus and my dad has a 52cm Clem, and 
> the Clem is probably lighter in part due to the smaller wheel size. Both 
> are great bikes, and I do find the Platypus rides zippier and lighter, but 
> in terms of lifting, transport, and storage there is not much difference 
> between the two. Hope this helps!
>
> Jake
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:06:09 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Chung, If your wife finds the Clem too long and heavy a Platypus is not 
>> going to make a effective difference in regards to weight or maneuvering. 
>> What would is a frame like a Soma Buena Vista (rim brake or disc) or Velo 
>> Orange Polyvalent low kicker. Both have relatively typical chainstays and 
>> wheelbases and are going to be easier to pick up and maneuver simply due to 
>> the fact that they have "normal" wheelbases and chainstays so are going to 
>> be inherently lighter to begin with. There's a notable difference in 
>> geometry though, with the VO being more low trail and the Soma mid-high. 
>> Plus the Soma has quite steep seat tube angles so if using a Brooks you may 
>> not be able to get the seat back where you want. Thankfully they do both 
>> use a 27.2 post though. 
>>
>> Note, the Platy isn't a step through either so all three compared to a 
>> Clem are more like step around I suppose ! 
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578fd48f3a30004789cd9,5ee8f7ce7eaeb8001717ac2f
>> ,
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>> I don’t know about the Platypus, but my wife rides a Betty Foy. It rides 
>> ligh/zippy  and she loves it. Currently has a Wald 137 front basket and a 
>> Riv trunk bag. 
>> They’re a bit hard to come by but Cheviot was essentially the same bike. 
>>
>> Tires are 650b x 38 with fenders. Not sure I’d go larger. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:21:50 AM UTC-7 chungeu...wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
>> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
>> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
>> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
>> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
>> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
>> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
>> setup to make it more zippy?
>>
>> Best,
>> Chung
>>
>>

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SOLD:Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

SOLD

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:55:28 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I think it's a good price. I'm including the dynamo lights, Brooks saddle 
> and really nice pedals. If this does sell, I plan to buy the new Roaduno 
> when it is released. I'm really into single speed riding.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 6:16:47 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That’s a damn fine deal!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
>> convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
>> road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
>> changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
>> using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
>> 11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
>> want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
>> bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
>> stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
>> American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
>> perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
>> box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
>> keep the bags.
>>
>>
>> Clem Photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aRsZCN5bxfPrudZ6>Price: 
>> $1,500 plus shipping cost
>>
>> Doug Hansford
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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

I think it's a good price. I'm including the dynamo lights, Brooks saddle 
and really nice pedals. If this does sell, I plan to buy the new Roaduno 
when it is released. I'm really into single speed riding.
Doug

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 6:16:47 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> That’s a damn fine deal!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 24, 2023, at 4:28 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
> convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
> road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
> changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
> using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
> 11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
> want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
> bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
> stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
> American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
> perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
> box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
> keep the bags.
>
>
> Clem Photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aRsZCN5bxfPrudZ6>Price: 
> $1,500 plus shipping cost
>
> Doug Hansford
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[RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr 52 Complete

[Doug H.]

I love this bicycle but circumstances and preferences reached a point of 
convergence. Photos linked below. It is a 52 Lime Olive with about 2,200 
road miles. Great condition. Stored in my basement when not riding. I 
changed the crankset to a 170 mm a few hundred miles ago and switched to 1x 
using a Microshift Advent X system, including the shifter. 40T front ring; 
11-48 10sp cassette. I left the small chainring (30T) on the front if you 
want to convert it to a 2x, you'll just need a longer spindle bottom 
bracket, FD and shifter. It has a Rich-built front dynamo wheel with the 
stock rear wheel. Lights included. Tires have lots of life left and are 
American Classic brand. One Up pedals must stay with the bike, they are 
perfect for the Clem. You may not agree ;). I can have a local bike shop 
box it up at my cost but the buyer pays shipping from zip code 30677. I'll 
keep the bags.

Clem Photos Price: $1,500 
plus shipping cost

Doug Hansford

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

Oops, I did it again...
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 藍
>
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
> folks.
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘
>>
>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>>
>>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
>>>> it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
>>>> new' 
>>>> claim.
>>>>
>>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
>>>> released 
>>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued. 
>>>>  
>>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>>
>>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>>
>>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>>
>>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>>>>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>>>>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>>>>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>>>>
>>>>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>>>>>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>>>>>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>>>>>> Gravel 
>>>>>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>>>>>> RivSister, 
>>>>>> Brian!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>>>>>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>>>>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the 
>>>&

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check 
the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous 
Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the 
previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
folks.
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 臘
>
> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>
>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>>> claim.
>>>
>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>
>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>
>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>
>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
 seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
 Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
 recall seeing that in your makeover post

 Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
> chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
> came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
> I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
> guard 
> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
> mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
> weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for 
> a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different 
> gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or 
> cogs/freewheels 
> to better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as 

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Doug H.]

I do wonder if the long wheelbase makes my Clem more stable in general. I
hope you find the right setup for your bike.
Doug

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 8:41 AM eddietheflay  wrote:

> Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two
> years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands
> are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright
> that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less
> steady.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:38:47 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these ones:
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html
>> And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars
>> look cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the
>> steering would "seem" significantly less twitchy and if for me it would
>> require a smaller frame with shorter top tube?
>> Here are photos of my current twitchy setup:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nn7Pzb61yBhXaKCE6
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:26:34 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my
>>> head is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars.
>>> I guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach
>>> to the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a
 Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move
 forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a
 shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to
 the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride
 them. I found just the opposite myself. it's like wanting to get from
 Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle.  "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes
 simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward
 of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize
 the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all
 the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis
 will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people
 ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I
 simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and
 we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the
 Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate
 to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which
 one enjoys.

 I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the
 last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as
 it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so
 passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to
 experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon
 for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes
 way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something
 more than they ever are.  a means to "the ride" ! That quest for
 "newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the
 inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking  in
 some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be
 fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The
 compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always
 taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough,
 and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't
 absent in any way. What a paradox . things that seem to appear missing
 aren't missing at all. they're revealing in the Light the actuality of
 What IS :)   How cool that is .. Ride on.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Doug H.]

Johnny, fellow Gex Xer here. 80s fashion was something to behold indeed! I 
must say that I do miss my black Members Only jacket and wish I still had 
it. I'll leave the denim jean jacket in the past though along with the 
mullet haircut.
Doug

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:18:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> *where. Man do I hate that there is no edit functionality
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm firmly Gen X and we 100% were doing pegged pant legs in the 80's. Hip 
>> to do with a pair of Bugle Boys. 90's fashion is OK to make a comeback but 
>> 80's is not. Let's leave that were it was. :)
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:31:15 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Gosh, Danielle, I am so sorry to hear about you being hit by a car. So, 
>>> so sorry. I would have never thought about wooden shoes but wow, I can see 
>>> how they would have protected your foot. Were you hit on the Cheviot? And 
>>> its still in working order? 
>>>
>>> I was also wondering about the peg and fold because I was class of ‘99 - 
>>> here I thought we had invented it but Bill’s generation had already been 
>>> there done that!
>>>
>>> Dorothy, I did not know that you sew your own clothes, but that elevates 
>>> you to an even higher status now that I do!
>>>
>>> Emily, yes, we are the same age! I love your ideas and will try the more 
>>> aggressive folding. But I would love to see your wide-leg styles since I’m 
>>> just getting into them.
>>>
>>> You RivSisters should definitely send us some bike style portraits. 
>>> Don’t leave Luke and I hanging out here by ourselves!
>>>
>>> Off to work. Hope to see more in this thread when I get off at 2:30.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2023, at 12:54 PM, danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and 
>>> the hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain 
>>> having recently greased up the leg of my new 
>>> so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.
>>>
>>> I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I 
>>> love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the 
>>> Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs 
>>> and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
>>> hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to 
>>> pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
>>> nearly every ride to work.
>>>
>>> For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good 
>>> peg and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
>>> Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
>>> photos coming! 
>>>
>>> Danielle
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I 
 love these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made 
 very 
 specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs 
 all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  

 You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 

 On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
 wrote:

 I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go 
 to is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true 
 waist and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals 
 very, very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I 
 live that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have 
 riding specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of 
 my 
 jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 


 On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it 
> by 
> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get 
> creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing 
> or 
> any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in 
> a 
> pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the 
> little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have 
> colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. 
>
> I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the 
> cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you 
> wrap 
> your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess 
> fabric 
> around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. 
> Then 

Re: [RBW] Re: upright bars: how does shorter or longer stem affect steering?

[Doug H.]

Eddie,
When I first rode a Clem with Bosco bars it was so different from drop bars 
below the saddle level that steering seemed odd. It took a few rides to 
settle in to the upright position and having the bars above the saddle and 
coming back toward me, if that makes sense. Like you though I was having 
neck pain. I see many folks my age and older still riding drop bars and 
good on them. But, we are all different and thank goodness there are 
options! I guess my advice would be to give upright bars 100 miles or so to 
see if the steering becomes more palatable for you. 
Doug

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:26:34 AM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my head 
> is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars. I 
> guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach to 
> the hoods on drop bars comfortable.
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a 
>> Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move 
>> forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a 
>> shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to 
>> the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride 
>> them. I found just the opposite myself. it's like wanting to get from 
>> Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle.  "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes 
>> simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward 
>> of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize 
>> the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all 
>> the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis 
>> will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people 
>> ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I 
>> simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and 
>> we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the 
>> Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate 
>> to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which 
>> one enjoys. 
>>
>> I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the 
>> last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as 
>> it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so 
>> passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to 
>> experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon 
>> for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes 
>> way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something 
>> more than they ever are.  a means to "the ride" ! That quest for 
>> "newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the 
>> inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking  in 
>> some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be 
>> fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The 
>> compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always 
>> taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough, 
>> and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't 
>> absent in any way. What a paradox . things that seem to appear missing 
>> aren't missing at all. they're revealing in the Light the actuality of 
>> What IS :)   How cool that is .. Ride on. 
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[Doug H.]

I have my Wabi Thunder set up with 42x18 gearing. The wheels are 700c and 
tires Panaracer Gravel King 38mm. 
Doug

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:30:56 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Executive summary: I'm still thinking about buying it because he's giving 
> it away.  I have fun with "parting out" projects, and this one would pay 
> for itself.  
>
> If I were Jason, I'd gear it down AND cheapen it up.  Operating principle 
> #1 is you can always sell used stuff to 'friends' for half retail, and you 
> should always expect to be able to buy stuff from friends for half retail.  
> Operating principle #2 is there are some bike parts that are super 
> expensive that one buys only because they want them.  It's bling.  This QB 
> has a lot of that expensive bling on it that we can get rid of without 
> detracting from the usefulness of of the bike.  I could get into those 
> details if you want...
>
> If you'd meet me in Springfield IL this weekend I'll buy it.  I'm in 
> Detroit all weekend with nothing to do.  Springfield is a 7 hour drive for 
> each of us.  If I buy it, I'll part out the bling and end up with a very 
> inexpensive second Quickbeam to go with my 58cm Green one.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:11:49 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low" 
>> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to 
>> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares. 
>>  The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it 
>> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately 
>> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said, 
>> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass rack and 
>> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the 
>> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.  
>>
>> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug into 
>> the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already but 
>> I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this might 
>> be a fun chat to dig into.
>>
>> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads 
>> in the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>>
>> Thanks xo
>> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 80s 
kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In college 
I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the bike was 
primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and really 
enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
> grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
> parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
> free college life. 
>
> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>
> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>
> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
> Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
> after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
> check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
> Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
> back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
> that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
> first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
> Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
> loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
> bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>
> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>
> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
> the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
> absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
> and support which is super great. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days and 
>> many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even want 
>> one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be 
>>> serious and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate 
>>> reserve in asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; "Perhaps 
>>> you might consider ...?"
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
>>>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
>>>> man?
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leah, please take a breath and coun

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

John,
I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question 
mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really 
man?
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:

> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>
> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength 
> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of 
> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>
> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't 
> like.
>
> John 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>
>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
>> him that you would like to gift him?
>>
>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
>> the topic of the conversation?
>>
>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
>> imposing my choices on my son?
>>
>> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>>
>> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
>> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
>> transportation.
>>
>> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
>> Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

Leah,
It looks like the ole Betty Foy served you well during your sons' early 
years. Where is that bike now? I don't remember if you sold it or have it 
stashed away. And, doesn't time fly!?! We were looking at some old photos 
of my sons recently and reminiscing.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:22:12 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> John,
> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>
> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for 
> him that you would like to gift him?
>
> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused about 
> the topic of the conversation?
>
> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was 
> imposing my choices on my son?
>
> If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.
>
> If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman don’t 
> have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate 
> transportation.
>
> If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long time! 
>> But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the 
>> younger one on his “one-wheeler.” 
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Doug H.]

I've been following this thread/discussion and it really is a bit of a 
downer. Reality bites. Theft is rampant on college campuses I guess 
although I was a commuter student (car) for most of my college years so 
didn't witness or even hear about crime on campus back in the late '80s. I 
didn't live on campus. I'm sure I was just oblivious to it.

Based on this thread I would have to lean toward the 'don't take a 
relatively expensive bicycle to college' crowd. 
Doug

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll toss this out, FWIW, which may not be much, but: for a year or so 
> (sophomore/jr years) my daughter got around campus on a longboard, compact 
> enough to haul into the lecture hall, until her project responsibilities 
> with bulky kit made it impracticable. But books fit in backpacks and the 
> campus and town are/is relatively compact (NWU, Evanston, IL).
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[RBW] Re: Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Doug H.]

Sounds like it will be a good ride and I wish I could attend one of these 
Rivendell rides. Maybe some day...
doug

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it 
> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>
> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe 
> a total of 30-40 miles. 
>
> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>
> Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

t;> people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
>>> not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
>>> specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
>>> them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
>>> Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
>>> I just don't agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side 
>>>> about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble 
>>>> and 
>>>> fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul 
>>>> a 
>>>> bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel 
>>>> rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for 
>>>> sale. 
>>>> I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but 
>>>> that is a subject for another thread.
>>>>
>>>> The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club 
>>>> riding.  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club 
>>>> ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite 
>>>> good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it 
>>>> would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but 
>>>> like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
>>>>
>>>> Doug 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely 
>>>>>> sure this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that 
>>>>>> they're 
>>>>>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>>>>>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple 
>>>>>>> but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> second color will be?
>>>>>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>>>>>>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something 
>>>>>>> new. 
>>>>>>> ☺️
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price 
>>>>>>>> or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys 
>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>> released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am 
>>>>>>>> itching for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when 
>>>>>>>> I was 
>>>>>>>> there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> change it up ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Justin, it says C has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them 
>>>>>>>>> before, they are the loveliest people. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good 
enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would 
have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah 
said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
Doug 

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
>> this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're 
>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but 
>>> that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the 
>>> second color will be?
>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. 
>>> ☺️
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or 
 to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
 released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 

 Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching 
 for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there 
 last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change 
 it up ;-)

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Justin, it says C has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, 
> they are the loveliest people. 
>
> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>
> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
> 
> clcycle.ca 
> 
>
> 
>
> Leah 
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m 
> so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. 
> Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty 
>> frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 
>> Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the 
>> Clem 
>> but got an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I appreciate the confirmation that Albatross has less reach than my Tosco. 
I thought that was the case but wanted to be sure before I ordered one.
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:00:55 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Doug,  From the diagrams the Albatross bar has a whopping 2-1/2" ... 
> yes inches less reach than the Tosco !  Yes, good choice ! 
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Garth,
> I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
> suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
> legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
> the Toscos?
> Doug
>
>
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I should have said more reach than my Toscos? I want bars that come back 
slightly less.
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Garth,
> I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
> suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
> legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
> the Toscos?
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:09:02 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Leah, Why is it you believe you need more setback in the first place ?  
>> Compared to the Betty you had with it's 72 degree seat tube angle, the 
>> Clems are a more shallow 71.5, which equates to the same saddle and post 
>> capable of setting further back by about 6.5mm.  As I've already expressed, 
>> if it's forward reach you want going backwards is going in the wrong 
>> direction. A longer stem and/or less swept back bars are called for. It 
>> seems most riders here asking for more setback ride wayback swept bars. 
>> Well that's the issue, that they are too far back, not the setback of the 
>> saddle. Get the saddle in an optimal place first, then deal with the reach.
>>
>> From my experience, being too far back of the pedals and too upright 
>> doesn't allow for the most efficient use of leg/core strength. It becomes 
>> rather a viscious and futile cycle of trying to compensate for something 
>> that can't be compensated for. Been there and done it, in all futility. 
>> With the saddle in an optimal position and a forward lean, all of that 
>> simply isn't. 
>>
>> A sure sign of being too far back in the saddle is when climbing. If I'm 
>> too far back, I either HAVE to stand to maintain any sort of momentum, or 
>> sit and grind in futility where no low gear seems low enough because I'm 
>> too far back. Maintaining a fluid spin is impossible. Standing does what ? 
>> Places me over the BB, in the optimal "power band". Gee, maybe I ought to 
>> been seated further forward to begin with ! ((( laughing )))  In moving 
>> saddle forward to an optimal place, hark . I find myself able to 
>> effectively and efficiently stay seated on climbs, always "on top" of the 
>> pedals, even if really steep, and it's marvelous !
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

Garth,
I may try bars with less reach than my Tosco bars to do just what you're 
suggesting. I don't want to sit farther back and change the angle of my 
legs to pedals. Would you say the Albatross bars have less way back than 
the Toscos?
Doug

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:09:02 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Leah, Why is it you believe you need more setback in the first place ?  
> Compared to the Betty you had with it's 72 degree seat tube angle, the 
> Clems are a more shallow 71.5, which equates to the same saddle and post 
> capable of setting further back by about 6.5mm.  As I've already expressed, 
> if it's forward reach you want going backwards is going in the wrong 
> direction. A longer stem and/or less swept back bars are called for. It 
> seems most riders here asking for more setback ride wayback swept bars. 
> Well that's the issue, that they are too far back, not the setback of the 
> saddle. Get the saddle in an optimal place first, then deal with the reach.
>
> From my experience, being too far back of the pedals and too upright 
> doesn't allow for the most efficient use of leg/core strength. It becomes 
> rather a viscious and futile cycle of trying to compensate for something 
> that can't be compensated for. Been there and done it, in all futility. 
> With the saddle in an optimal position and a forward lean, all of that 
> simply isn't. 
>
> A sure sign of being too far back in the saddle is when climbing. If I'm 
> too far back, I either HAVE to stand to maintain any sort of momentum, or 
> sit and grind in futility where no low gear seems low enough because I'm 
> too far back. Maintaining a fluid spin is impossible. Standing does what ? 
> Places me over the BB, in the optimal "power band". Gee, maybe I ought to 
> been seated further forward to begin with ! ((( laughing )))  In moving 
> saddle forward to an optimal place, hark . I find myself able to 
> effectively and efficiently stay seated on climbs, always "on top" of the 
> pedals, even if really steep, and it's marvelous !
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Doug H.]

This paragraph is from Will's recent email... If this sounds like what 
you're looking for then I say buy one. 

"Yes, the Roadini is heavier than a carbon frame, but, and even though it's 
a cliche phrase at this point, *it rides light* and I don't care if I'm two 
minutes slower than my alternate-universe self who rides a carbon bike. I 
still feel fast on it, and I'm not racing anybody anyway, even myself. My 
bike priorities are safety, comfort, reliability, and the ability to 
stretch the bike beyond it's stated purpose. Most of you aren't able to 
come test ride one before you buy, but those that do invariably say 
something like, "it's faster than I thought it would be!". It's always been 
more about the rider than the frame, but I know what they mean."

Doug


On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at 
> Riv and Blue Lug.
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations 
> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun. 
> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an 
> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only 
> bike!
>
> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those 
> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the 
> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>
> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to 
> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold 
> 33s and actually feel some performance?
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Re: [RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Doug H.]

Just to note, obviously, the Happy Stem is threadless so you would need a 
quill to threadless adapter.
Doug

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:17:45 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I have a similar issue on a Wabi Thunder and installed a Velo Orange Happy 
> Stem to get my handlebars higher. It works really well. Another option I 
> may try (because I can't stop tinkering) is the Velo Orange Klunker bar.
>
> [image: IMG_0181.jpeg]
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 1:50:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This was on a NORBA-type ~19-20 inch c-c 26-er frame.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ...  I used a 10 cm to get a Noodle high enough and close enough for a 
>>> road-bike-like position despite very low stack, truncated steerer, top tube 
>>> about 2-2.5 mm too long (58.4 cm versus 56 to 57 cm), and a short arm/long 
>>> torso build; and I had considerable quill left over.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem is mine!

[Doug H.]

Gina,
That is awesome! I love my Clem for all kinds of riding but most of my 
miles are on asphalt. I'll be looking forward to hearing how this bike 
compares to others you've ridden. To me the Clem has a unique ride quality 
that no other bike offers although I've not ridden many other Rivendell 
models.
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:41:43 PM UTC-4 Gina wrote:

> Hello, all!
> After a few years lurking here and searching for a Riv, I have finally got 
> my hands on a lime olive Clem L. I originally wanted a Platypus but, alas, 
> the smallest frame is too large but I am thrilled with Clem.
>
> I had Jimmy of Fabrica de Rosas build up my bike and am so happy with how 
> it turned out. At just about 5'1", I have never had a bike fit me until now 
> and I can say that riding a bike that fits is an absolute pleasure!! 
> Gina
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-06-29 at 12.33.57 PM.png]
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Doug H.]

Nice build. Off-topic alert. I recently changed my Clem to 1x and am using 
a 40T chainring and 11-48 cassette. I never use the 48 and think I could 
easily have gone with a 11-42. I'm interested to find out how you do on 
steep inclines with the 42/36 low gear with this setup.
Thanks,
Doug

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:37:17 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, if we’re sharing pictures. I don’t have any glamor shots yet but 
> here’s what I’ve got right now (pardon the messy house, just moved).
>
> From back to front:
> * Velocity Cliffhanger rear wheel with Velo-Orange hub
> * 10spd 11-36 cassette
> * Deore derailleur 
> * Shimano Alivio T4000 v-brakes
> * B17 saddle w/ Randy Joe Fab waxed canvas cover
> * Kaloy seatpost 
> * Velo-Orange 1x crank with 42T ring
> * 60mm stem
> * Velo-Orange Rando bars
> * Grepp bar cotton wrap
> * Tektro aero levers
> * Velo-Orange rack
> * Cliffhanger rim, Shutter Precision PD-8 hub
>
> Riding on 29x2.2 SimWorks Super Yummy tires
> Bag by The Spindle ATL.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 6:16 PM Stephen  wrote:
>
>> I'm a joe appaloosa rider and I've had mine set up at different times 
>> with: Loscos, Riv Bullmoose, Nitto B802AA, and currently its got the 
>> classic albatross.
>>
>> [image: appaloosa.jpg]
>> Pic for reference because all threads need bike pictures :)
>>
>> I'm going to be devil's advocate and support shortening the stem and 
>> making your drops work. 
>>
>>- First off its the most affordable and quickest solution, granted 
>>you are pleased with all other aspects of the handlebar setup. Also, you 
>>can get a pretty good idea of how much to shorten your stem since its the 
>>only variable changing. 
>>- Secondly, I selfishly want to see some more drop bar set up 
>>appaloosas. It seems really rare to do so, but lately I've been thinking 
>> it 
>>could work really well on the bike. I've seen more modern atlantis' with 
>>drops, and if anything the Joe is a slightly more road oriented version 
>> of 
>>that bike. List member Takahashi's Hunqapillar set up with drops also 
>> comes 
>>to mind.
>>- Thirdly, I don't think the Joe is so super long that it needs to be 
>>dedicated to swept back bars. This depends on your body's relation to 
>> your 
>>frame size of course, but on my 60cm, loscos + 11cm stem felt too 
>>short/cramped. For myself I've realized that if I go with swept back bars 
>> I 
>>need ones that sweep forward too, like the albatross.
>>
>> Another opinion with regards to albastache/mustache bars: if you are 
>> thinking of running them with flat bar type levers I'd say scrap that idea 
>> and just get albatrosses. thats a case of using something in a way it 
>> wasn't designed to be used and i think youd be happier with albatrosses. I 
>> have a set of albastache and I'd say it works best with the classic road 
>> brake lever setup and bar end shifters, or possibly bar end brake levers. 
>> and as previously stated they require a slightly shorter stem than an 
>> equivalent drop bar setup.
>>
>> And finally, to devil's advocate my devil's advocate... Rivendells are 
>> such fun bikes to experiment with different setups on. I love playing 
>> around with different handlebars and parts to spice up my bike and make it 
>> feel new again. Different handlebars are better at different things, and 
>> I've learned theres no perfect pick. I'm always gonna be swapping 
>> handlebars, sometimes to meet a certain situation, or just because I'm 
>> bored. if swept backs are calling your name, you might as well answer (i 
>> vote albatross or billie). 
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 4:48:01 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I take all claims of a certain frame supposedly being designed for a 
>>> certain type of bar with a grain of salt as there are endless variables 
>>> that come in to play. The first is the rider themselves, not just body 
>>> proportions but flexibility, core strength and their ability to ride in a 
>>> position suitable for them. Same with bars and stems, none are limited to 
>>> or by each other, a given frame or rider. It's really up to the rider to 
>>> play around with their bike as no one else experiences your bike from your 
>>> unique perspective. I realize this is a online group to talk about stuff 
>>> and throw ideas around though, so playing a game of "what if" inevitable. 
>>>
>>> All that said, I looked at the geo charts @ bikeinsights and I don't see 
>>> the Appa as being particularly long in reach at all. I compared it to a 
>>> bike I have, a 60 Bomba, and a road frame I do not have, the Sam. the sizes 
>>> can be changed of course. The Bomba has 24mm reach than a Appa to for me 
>>> running a drop bar would be easy. Ted says the reach was too far, but I'd 
>>> want to know if the saddles were int he same relative position ? The Appa 
>>> has a 71.5d STA and the Bomba a 72. That equates to about a 6.5mm 
>>> difference. So if you didn't know 

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Doug H.]

Valerie,
That color is so nice and I love the curved seat stays. I am really tempted 
as then I would have both the L and H versions of the venerable Clem. 
Someone will be getting a somewhat rare Clem H in pristine condition. I 
wonder how this would ride as a single speed? 
Doug

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 9:38:34 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I forgot to mention that this frame size has 650b wheels. It is currently 
> shown with size 50-584 (aka 27.5 x 2.00) tires but it has plenty of space 
> for a larger tire. The tire size as shown is limited by the Axa frame lock, 
> which is convenient but not necessary and can be removed. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
>> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
>> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
>> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
>> Shimano Claris front derailleur
>> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
>> Clem stock seat-post
>> Kickstand
>> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>>
>> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
>> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
>> Boulder CO.  
>>
>> More pictures here 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>>
>> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
>> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>>
>> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>>
>> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
>> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>>
>> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
>> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
>> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>>
>> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>>
>> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>>
>> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Tires, was making Clem a Gravel Bike

[Doug H.]

I am not an avid gravel rider but many of my rides involve short stretches 
of gravel roads. What I've found that works for me is not so much tires but 
how I approach gravel riding. I grip the handlebars lightly and never 
overcorrect steering. During my first foray into gravel riding I approached 
it the same as on asphalt but learned that when I feel a little slip of my 
front wheel I don't react with steering, if that makes sense. It can be 
disconcerting at first but I have lately even tried no-hands on gravel with 
no problemsso far. I don't recommend no-hands though. 
Doug

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:09:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I had the same experience after installing 559 X 28 Elk Passes (175 
> digital grams) to replace 571 X 23 Michelin Pro Races (different rims of 
> course). The PRs were better than the light version of the Conti Grands 
> Prix that I used previously, but the Elk Passes felt as if I were riding on 
> a "good day" instead of a tired day; and that feeling remains after 8 
> years. (I shod the 2020 Matthews with the EPs and it felt fast! Then I 
> replaced the EPs with the 42 mm Naches Pass ELs; these feel darned good, 
> but the bike no longer has the feel of "accelerate!" that it did before 
> (and the handling also loses some "crispness).
>
> Ditto when replacing the 50 mm F Freds -- which felt fast when I rode them 
> -- with the lightest 60 mm Big Ones: again, consistently over time and 
> repeated conditions I pedaled in a gear 1 tooth higher.
>
> Tho', odd: My Herse had some mediocre tires; IIRC 32 mm Pasela wire beads; 
> and I'd bought the bike cheap because the previous 2 owners thought the 
> tubing too thick and unreponsive. But the fit felt "perfect" from the first 
> ride, and with that bike too I routinely rode 1 tooth smaller in back. Odd.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:47 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>
>> I attached here a section from Riv's website 
>>  about tire ride 
>> quality fyi.
>>
>> That section is from Soma, not Riv, and it says, "There is a pervasive 
>> myth that thin, "supple" tire sidewalls are essential to a smooth and cushy 
>> ride. That is misleading at best, bullshit at worst."  (I could be wrong, 
>> but I don't think Grant has ever sworn like that in anything he's 
>> published, btw.)
>>
>> Soma is doing the misleading here. I've never heard or seen anyone claim 
>> that supple tires are "essential to a smooth and cushy ride." The claims I 
>> am aware of are 1) they are faster, and 2) they are more comfortable, all 
>> else equal. Claim 1 is fully backed by science. Claim 2 is simply a matter 
>> of opinion, and lots of people I know hold that opinion based on thousands 
>> of miles of experience.
>>
>> The first tires I put on my ProtoveloBleriot were Rivendell's Fatty 
>> Rumpkin tires. I rode those lots of places, over lots of surfaces, lots of 
>> miles, and all the time I thought, "this bike is okay, nothing special." 
>> Then, before riding that bike 600km to my 25th college reunion, I put 
>> Pacenti PariMotos on it. As I said in my previous post, I audibly gasped as 
>> I coasted down my driveway the first time. The bike accelerated like a 
>> rocket pack had been attached to it. The tires utterly transformed the bike 
>> into one that I happily rode many more miles. You can look up Compass/Rene 
>> Herse tire testing results to see their measurements of rolling resistance 
>> and how miserably off the back the Fatty Rumpkins are. It was very 
>> interesting for me to read their test report, having binned the tires a few 
>> years earlier.
>>
>> Look, as I also said previously, we have an embarrassment of riches in 
>> bike tires today. In my experience, which I think is pretty extensive, the 
>> three things that most transform a bike (assuming you've found your happy 
>> saddle) are new tires, a new chain, and new handlebar tape. In the grand 
>> scheme of cycling expenses, trying a new set of tires each year is, IMO, 
>> money well spent for max enjoyment. I highly encourage people to experiment 
>> and find what works for them.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] WTB: Quickbeam or Simple One

[Doug H.]

I'm planning to buy the new Riv single speed but thought I would see if 
there are any on the market used. I would need a 54 to 56 size range (I'm 
not sure what sizes were made) as I am 5'10" with an 83 PBH. If you want to 
sell to buy the new model or just don't dig single speed let me know.
Doug 
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Doug H.]

Leah,
I would LOVE to do a Clem ride. I wish geography wasn't a barrier but if we 
can get a few Clem riders in the same location that would be a blast! For 
the record, I was even riding a carbon road bike while being pushed up 
hill. Yes, it was humbling. lol
Doug

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:37:38 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling, right? 
> We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d 
> call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride. 
>
> The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a 
> distant memory.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up 
> but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort 
> not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My 
> heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another 
> day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10 
> mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep 
> that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when 
> I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of 
> mine!!
>
>
> I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder 
> than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would 
> keep if I could only have one.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar 
>> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon 
>> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. 
>>
>> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely 
>> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" 
>> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead 
>> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me 
>> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>>
>> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia 
>> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of 
>> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 
>> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and 
>> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" 
>> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the 
>> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a 
>> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very 
>> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>>
>> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out 
>> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>>
>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
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>>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>>
>>> Brian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

[Doug H.]

I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up but 
could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort not to 
drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My heart 
and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another day, 
on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10 mph 
on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep that 
speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when I 
slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of 
mine!!

I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder than 
on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would keep 
if I could only have one.
Doug

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar 
> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon 
> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone. 
>
> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely 
> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles" 
> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead 
> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me 
> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>
> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia 
> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of 
> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in 
> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and 
> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76" 
> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the 
> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a 
> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very 
> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>
> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out 
> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>
>> Brian
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Silver 170 Crankset

[Doug H.]

I'm looking for a 170 Silver crankset or just crank arms. If you have the 
42/30 version that would be ideal but I will take any combination. It is 
out of stock currently in that length.
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Sister

[Doug H.]

Welcome Lacy. If, like me, you have enjoyed cycling most of your life then 
that first ride on a Rivendell can be mind-blowing. I had no clue that a 
bicycle could be so comfortable, functional and fun to ride!
Doug

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 9:16:52 PM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

>
> Her name is Lacy.  I’ll put her in touch.  She isn’t a member of 
> rbw-owners-bunch yet, but we’ll see how she takes to the Platy long term. 
>  We live near Atlanta on the Silver Comet, 
> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA , and the Platy 
> seems the ideal bike at this point.
>
> For Patrick, she bought a KTM heavy touring bike in 2002 while we lived in 
> Germany.  With full shock absorber suspension, it is NOT lighter than your 
> Platypus.  Let’s face it, it is a beast.  A pretty beast with a gold Deore 
> LX groupset and hydraulic disc brakes, which served us well for touring, 
> but she really didn’t enjoy it much over the last few years.
>
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[RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Doug H.]

I lean forward but not downward with the Tosco bars on my Clem. I get neck 
pain when the forward lean is also downward over long distances so the bars 
being above the saddle is my preference. The grip portion of the bars does 
sit me upright but the bars have a couple of forward areas that I use as 
well.
Doug

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:32:01 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

> 52 tooth granny cog? 
>
> Philip 
> SR, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, 
>> very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for 
>> low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move 
>> forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? 
>> Someone explain.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position 
>>> makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- 
>>> first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost 
>>> raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. 
>>> Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and 
>>> down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better 
>>> particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle 
>>> are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also 
>>> make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to 
>>> the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher 
>>> stem after all.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Doug H.]

My Clem is heavier than all of those lightweight bikes. And, I roll so fast 
down hills!!
Doug

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:34:29 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Who weighs a Platypus?
>
> -Dave (whose 60cm frame/fork/headset weigh 10lbs)
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 6:23:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>> Well, I don’t see how this is possible since your Matthews isn’t even 
>> raspberry.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
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>> On Apr 26, 2023, at 4:51 AM, Garth  wrote:
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>> As if any comparison is ever fair  . heeheehee .  The title of 
>> your post is hilarious Patrick ;-)  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighter than your Platypus

[Doug H.]

My Clem is heavier than all of those lightweight bikes. Weenies.
Doug

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:34:29 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Who weighs a Platypus?
>
> -Dave (whose 60cm frame/fork/headset weigh 10lbs)
>
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>> Well, I don’t see how this is possible since your Matthews isn’t even 
>> raspberry.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>> As if any comparison is ever fair  . heeheehee .  The title of 
>> your post is hilarious Patrick ;-)  
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[RBW] Re: Book Recommendation: The United States of Adventure

[Doug H.]

I just put it on my list of to-read books. In fact, I just re-read The 
Enlightened Cyclist by Bike Snob this weekend for some bicycle content. 
Thanks Leah!!
Doug
On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:10:42 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Thanks, Leah! I've not read this one, but will do, and recommend her *Llama 
> Drama *as well.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this recommendation, Leah!  After reading the short glimpse 
>> of the book on Amazon, Ann McNuff looks to be a very talented and 
>> entertaining writer.  It's also nice to find a travel "adventure" book 
>> written with a woman's perspective.  I'm ordering it!
>>
>> RivSisters!
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been sad about our temperamental weather here in southwest 
>>> Michigan. After a perfectly sublime week of 70-something temps that set off 
>>> our tulips and daffodils and flowering trees, we are back to drizzly 
>>> weather topping out in the 40s. I’m freezing over here. I have an Apple 
>>> Watch tan line but am back to wearing a parka. Make it make sense. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you can’t have your real adventures I suppose you can read 
>>> about someone else’s. I stumbled across The United States of Adventure by 
>>> Anna McNuff and have been reading as Anna, a British woman in the corporate 
>>> world in her 20s, cycles her way through all 50 states. I will never cycle 
>>> through all 50 states, but it is fun to peer into the life of someone who 
>>> did.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Adventure-life-changing-journey/dp/1914074033
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Doug H.]

I cringe to think of reaming out the seat tube of my Clem!! Surely it was 
designed to be as is... And I'm not calling anyone shirley.
Doug

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 4:28:40 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I am not going to lend my reamer out, nor am I going to be responsible for 
> shipping frames, but if anyone wants to drop by Delray Beach or bring their 
> frame to the meet in Ashville, NC the weekend of July 7-9, I would be happy 
> to do the deed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 3:39:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, are you offering to perform this service for us helpless Listers? 
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:03 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and 
>>> cursed the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for: 55 cm Platypus for friend

[Doug H.]

Custom color! Can you give us a hint? I can't wait to see photos.
Doug

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 12:35:34 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> This is so exciting!!!  I look forward to seeing pics and perhaps hearing 
> a story. 
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 1:38:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, thank you, Johnny, I did see that one and sent it! And guess what - 
>> she bought it! Another happy RivSister! The best part is she plans to do a 
>> custom color. I am so excited to see it when it is repainted.
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> It looks like Crust has one in stock.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/rivendell-platypus?variant=39322369884250
>>
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 1:31:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Friends!
>>>
>>> A RivSister is looking for a 55 Platy frame to build up, if anyone has 
>>> one that is gathering dust. You know I can’t abide by a sad RivSister. PM 
>>> me, if you’ve got one you’d like to sell. I so appreciate it!
>>>
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[Doug H.]

So cool. Being from Georgia, I must say I love and appreciate Pam's accent. 
She makes good points about riding on roads being relatively safe if you 
learn to do so properly. The health benefits outweigh the risks I believe 
you said and I concur.
Doug

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:08:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Our very own RivSister Pam Murray was recently featured as a local bike 
> hero in Charlotte, NC. The footage is just beautifully captured, displaying 
> sweeping drone views of the city as well as up close views of Pam’s beloved 
> Rivendell Betty Foy as well as the legend herself.
>
> Pam’s Rivendell was purchased in 2011 and she has ridden it nearly every 
> day since, racking up an impressive 75,000 miles or so. She will be the 
> first and likely only Rivster to ride her steel frame into dust.
>
> Please enjoy and show her some much-deserved recognition!
> RivSister Leah
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQ8Z4RjZkQ
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[RBW] Re: FYI, Clementine on eBay (not mine)

[Doug H.]

That one looks barely ridden and it is an early generation model. Nice.
Doug

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:44:12 AM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/115757177085
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Re: [RBW] PSA. Gringineer Cycles vintage parts site

[Doug H.]

Max, thank you for posting this link. I enjoyed looking through all of the 
vintage parts! I may even snag the black 26.8 RaceFace seatpost for my 
Clem. It will look nice with the black RaceFace Aeffect R crankset I have 
on order.
Doug

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 1:54:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jah, nice shop and reputable sellers. You can buy direct, they're also on 
> eBay. Good source for vintage parts. 
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 1:19:18 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> They’re very active on IG, responsive and seem legit. 
>>
>> Gringineer Cycles (@gringineercycles) • Instagram photos and videos 
>> 
>> instagram.com 
>> 
>> [image: 329290316_561187429146646_4030130879174494817_n.jpg] 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 09:52, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> I fell down the Suntour rabbit hole and stumbled into this site - 
>> thought you'd enjoy it: https://www.gringineer.com/
>>
>>
>> I haven't bought anything, but they have some nice things including NOS 
>> Suntour parts, etc and free shipping.
>>
>> Seems legit and I saw the owner Joel has an LBS in Minnesota and an 
>> appreciation for vintage bikes and parts. I emailed him looking for a 
>> silver 1" Suntour brake hanger and he was very responsive
>>
>> Anyone from the area know them?
>>
>> Max
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Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Monarch Gamma "Panda" Pedals

[Doug H.]

!sladep eciN
gouD

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:57:41 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> !seY !spoohW
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2023, at 1:52 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Aren't those actually the "adnap" version? The panda versions have a 
> silver body with black cages.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> MKS Grip Monarch Gamma “panda” pedals. 
>>
>> New in the box. Never mounted or used. 
>>
>> $90 with local pickup in the SF Bay Area. Add $15 for shipping to points 
>> beyond. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[Doug H.]

This is gold. Your boys will remember these times fondly,  not sure the pup 
will/did but dogs don't like to be left out of anything so I bet he had 
fun! Good stuff.
Doug

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:40:18 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ok, first up. 
>
> This is the inaugural ride of my Betty Foy. I was living in Southern 
> California at the time and had arrived home with my new bike after picking 
> it up at RBW HQ in late 2012. I decided to make us all ride our bikes to 
> church that Sunday morning. Please note how tiny my littler boy is. I saw 
> this photo and remembered how many times I insisted he was not pedaling 
> hard enough when we were riding up the hills. For Pete’s sake, the kid was 
> 3 years old and weighed like 30 pounds. I was certain he was not doing his 
> part.
> [image: image0.png]
>
> You’ll notice my older son, who was almost always smiling and never 
> complaining, has this Haro bike. It was the best we could get because he 
> was too small for most everything else. It was a BMX bike, and probably not 
> well-suited to what we were doing. However, I’ll draw your attention to the 
> next photo…
>
> [image: image1.png]
>
> Which is this one. Look at this atrocity. We are visiting my parents, and 
> they have sweetly bought him this new bike from the best sporting goods 
> store in town. Pacific was supposedly made by the Schwinn people, the only 
> reputable bike company we knew of by name. If it said Schwinn, it must be 
> quality. This said Pacific, which meant Schwinn, so it was clearly quality. 
> We had no idea at the time how monstrously heavy this bike was. Look at my 
> tiny boy, suffering with every pedal stroke. The bike was way too big for 
> him (“He’ll make it work, it’s what I did as a kid,” said the helpful 
> salesman) and it outweighed him, easily. Is it even put together correctly? 
> Is the fork right? I don’t know, but my sunny child is clearly not enjoying 
> himself here. I’m sure I told him he was being ungrateful after his 
> grandparents bought him a brand new bike. And also, pedal harder. 
>
> Finally, these last two. I got my act together and ordered that Islabike 
> you see in the far right, so at least my poor kids were better off. But 
> what about our dog?! Here he is, stuffed unceremoniously into a Backabike 
> bag. I knew it was a bad idea but I consoled myself by believing it was the 
> dog’s fault. He was desperate to come along and was making quite a fuss. 
> His riding basket was full of backpacks, so this was the only way. 
>
> [image: image2.jpeg]
> Also, here is he again, all 15 pounds of him, with a heavy wooden 
> skateboard laying across his back. I’m sure he felt every bump. I am also 
> sure that I was feeling smug for figuring out how to carry all this stuff 
> on my bike. 
> [image: image3.png]
>
> I’m sure there are more of these regrettable photos, and when I find them, 
> I’ll put them here. In the meantime, go ahead and post your guilty bike 
> life memories/photos here. I could use the company. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Mar 4, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I was looking through an old photo album of my bikes. My boys were tiny, 
> my dog was young, and my Betty Foy was sparkly and new. But you look at 
> things through different eyes over the years, and today, I came across a 
> couple of regrettable old photos that made me want to cry and then laugh, 
> simultaneously. It was 2013. I was obviously the most excited person in my 
> family about biking. I had just gotten that Betty Foy and thus I could do 
> just about anything. I invented all sorts of adventures for us - fun things 
> but we had to get there by bike. I dragged my two tiny boys along, 
> regardless of their sub-standard bikes. Even the dog was not spared. Surely 
> this must be List-appropriate? There will be lots of photos of a Betty Foy, 
> and that very bike was the source of all the “adventures” I inflicted on my 
> tiny family members.
>
>
> (I’m going to post the photos, with commentary in the following entry. 
> This, because I have never figured out how to get photos posted in the body 
> of this message - I only can do it from email after the first post arrives 
> there. If anyone has a hot tip about that, I’m all ears.)
>
> Who else has tortured their family with their own love of bicycles? Who 
> else has told themselves, “Well, it’s good for them.” Who else was a slow 
> learner but eventually got their act together and bought better equipment 
> for a better experience for the tortured family members?
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Doug H.]

My wife keeps telling me to volunteer at our local bike nonprofit, Bike 
Athens but as an introvert I keep avoiding that. My mechanic skills are 
quite limited and mostly self-taught via the internet and more specifically 
YouTube. It is satisfying to be able to make adjustments, replace brake 
cable, shifter cables, etc. One thing I've learned is that as you do 
repairs your tool collection grows and that is part of the fun too!!
Doug "not dreamy" Amateur Mechanic Wannabe

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:

> Now I'm expecting, in the near future, seeing "Ask Leah Anything About 
> Your Bike Problems" thread in this forum.
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2023年2月20日月曜日 7:49:57 UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com:
> Good for you, Leah! Enjoy the wrenches :) 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 1:06:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
> Great story, thank you Leah. Bike repair and maintenance is a forever 
> learning process, but I don’t want to mess with spoke tension, truing 
> wheels, or building wheels up from scratch. These are skills I deeply 
> admire in other folks.
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
> Wonderful, and yes I can relate.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:30:45 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
> Sounds like a wonderful class. I wonder if you’ll start riding towards the 
> potholes or if you hear a noise just think “I might be able to fix that!” 
>  I’m going to look for a local class like that. 
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
> scheming.)
>
> I digress! 
>
> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>
> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>
> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>
> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home - 
> don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>
> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[Doug H.]

John,
There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to find 
the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
Blog 

Doug
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
> looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics of 
> the three frames without paint. 
>
> Thanks!
> JohnS
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>
>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> From Will's email update today:
>>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark 
>>> gold).
>>>
>>> That's good news!
>>>
>>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam 51cm rough draft

[Doug H.]

Elegant bicycle that Sam. Which handlebars, crankset, and wheels do you 
have on it?
Doug

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Looks great! For me, it'd be a tough wait... 
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 11:12:23 AM UTC-5 cramer@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Still waiting on  pieces and parts.
>>
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[RBW] Re: CyclingSavvy Zoom presentation

[Doug H.]

Pam,
This is fantastic. I am sure many folks rode bicycles as children and young 
adults, then stopped riding. Your video on your site speaks to this! All 
they need is a little training and confidence to get back on a bike.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> For all those curious about CyclingSavvy, I've added a classroom only 
> option which is done via Zoom so anyone can participate.  I'll post the 
> link at the end. 
>
>  Other than my Riv Betty Foy, it's the one thing I use everyday.  
> CyclingSavvy teaches you how to mitigate risks and teaches you how to be 
> visible, relevant and predictable.  
>
> If you're unsure if you really want to register, send me an email.  I'll 
> send you a link so you can listen in for the first hour to see if you want 
> to stick around for the rest.  And if you ever want to come to Charlotte, 
> NC for the on bike sessions, I'll loan you a Betty Foy or Cheviot.  Riding 
> your bike should be fun and this may help take some of the fear out of some 
> of your rides.  CyclingSavvy can take you from fear to freedom.
>
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/organizer/pamela-murray-2/
>
> Picture from the other day when I helped a friend move his Chumba Sendero 
> TI mtb to his storage unit.  [image: chumba.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me ID these bars

[Doug H.]

I want some Nitti bars! Heck, I want Nitti everything! lol

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 11:20:46 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nitto, not Nitti. Every sentence I've typed on every platform today has 
> had a typo. I give up! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Looks like Riv Nitti Albatross. 
>> [image: Screenshot_20230118_200520.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> What bars are these?  Thanks in advance.[image: IMG_2177.JPG][image: 
>>> IMG_2180.JPG]
>>
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