[RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters Albatross bars for commuting

2013-03-27 Thread WETH
Background (may be skipped as it may not be fully relevant to answering the 
question and is quite wordy):
I purchased albatross bars for a bike my son and I are repainting and building 
up for him.  While waiting for him to select a frame color, I mounted the 
albatross bars on my daily commuter (a Surly LHT with riv purchased racks and 
Rivendell sackville bags).  I was running trekking bars with grip shifters, 
which I liked well-enough for my 16 mile round trip commute, but I found them 
less comfortable on longer rides.  I really like the albatross bars and am 
considering making them permanent.  (I will have to purchase a 2nd pair from 
Rivendell for my son's bike!)  However, my most aggressive riding occurs while 
I am commuting; it is an urban commute on roads with buses, aggressive 
commuters and clueless pedestrians.  I shift gears excessively on the 7 speed 
cassette using the gripshifters.  I often am quickly index shifting through 6-7 
gears as I rapidly approach a stoplight. (I stop at all red lights.)  I like to 
start up from the easiest gear and up/down shift through the gears as needed.  
Often, I am quickly shifting to keep pace with the traffic.  Given the heavy 
vehicle traffic, I like to maintain as consistent/predictable a presence as 
possible, which usually requires both hands on the handlebars.  I am 
considering replacing the gripshifts on the albatross bars with Shimano bar-end 
shifters sold by Rivendell.  The grip shifters feel and look a bit strange on 
the Albatross bars--though they work fine.  However, I have never used bar-end 
shifters, only thumb (index), grip (index) and downtube (friction).   If you 
are patiently still reading, here is my question.

Question:  For those who use or have used  the Shimano bar-end shifters, 
especially on Albatross bars, how easy is it to index shift rapidly across 
several gears on the rear cassette?  Is it as easy as moving the lever up or 
down the needed number of clicks? (On my gripshift, index shifting, one click 
equals one sprocket change on the cassette.)  Are the Shimano bar-end shifters 
durable enough to take somewhat rough handling every day?  (I think I have read 
about a washer cracking easily.)  As I mentioned, I ride hard on my commute.  I 
do not mean to insinuate that the shifters are not of good quality, it is just 
that I am quite hard on my gear when commuting.  Hence, the Surly LHT with 26 x 
2.35 tires.  Specifically I would be using the shifter set compatible with a 
6-7-8 speed cassette. 

As always I appreciate and always benefit from the individual and collective 
wisdom of this group.  I apologize for the wordiness of this post.
Many thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters Albatross bars for commuting

2013-03-27 Thread WETH
Ryan and Steve, thank you for your responses.
Steve, the bike takes a tumble on a monthly basis (I am a teacher and park my 
bike in the classroom; at home the dogs and children manage to knock it over 
regularly).  In regard to index shifting on a 6 and 7, here is the product 
write up from the rivendell site:Shimano's best bar-end shifters,the 
Dura-Ace's are indexable only with 9-speed cassettes; the Ultegras index good 
enough with 6, 7, or 8 speed cassettes and both work with a friction mode, 
tooso if the good enough isn't good enough, throw it into friction, 
cowboy, and ride away. 
 I will definitely have to make sure they are compatable with my 7 speed 
cassette.  Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
Safe cycling,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Shimano bar-end shifters Albatross bars for commuting

2013-03-27 Thread WETH
Dear Shoji and Joe, thanks for the response.  I have a bike with stem mounted 
shifters (friction) that I ride on the weekends.  I have commuted with it, but 
I did not like the uncertainty of which gear I dropped into nor the time I had 
to spend  with only one hand on the bar while navigating busy urban roads.  
That in part could be solved by practice, but I am fairly set in my commuting 
ways.  I do however enjoy friction shifting on my weekend rides.  In response 
to another thread on bags, someone said (Jim from Hiawatha Cyclcery maybe?) 
paraphrasing here: fit, utility, looks- pick any two and be happy.  Since the 
grip shifters function and fit how I ride when commuting, I suppose I should 
leave them.  I can  adjust more quickly to the new twisting motion on the grip 
shifts better than I could adjust to friction shifting.  It's just those 
bar-end shifters look so nice!
Thanks for allowing me to think this through.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Easter Morning Ride

2013-03-31 Thread WETH
Absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing.

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[RBW] Re: Shimano bar-end shifters Albatross bars for commuting

2013-04-01 Thread WETH
Wow! Thanks for all the helpful and thoughtful replies; you have all given me 
much to consider.  

Yes, I shift too much, an accurate diagnosis.  I remember that chapter from 
Grant's book, though at the time I did not think it applied to me.  
Overshifting is a habit I come by honestly. (True for most bad habits?)  I came 
to biking 20 years ago with bad knees that did not (still don't) allow me to 
run much.  In an effort to minimize sore knees as I cycyled more, I developed a 
habit of frequent shifting to minize heavy effort on the pedals.   This is 
especially true when commuting as I am in more of a hurry.  My knees are much 
stronger now, though 20 miles on my old 10 speed with friction shifting gives 
me sore knees.  Whereas 20 miles on the bike with grip shifting does not leave 
me with sore knees.  This is a result of better gear ratios on the 27 speed 
bike with grip shifts, I think, and not a reflection on the 
type of shifting.  

My second confession is I never learned to ride a bike without my hands; I was 
an overcautious child.  Even as adult, I am most comfortable with both hands on 
the bars.  Therefore my preference to keep all my controls at my finger tips.  
I do not even like to pull my water bottle and drink while cycling, prefering 
to stop to drink.  Boy, do I have issues. :)

Thanks to all who weighed in on using the bar-ends with the Albatross.  This is 
a great group.  

I will practice moderating my shifting and likely give the bar-ends a try.  I 
came across this image of a set-up I might try: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27209537@N00/3454710706/

Many thanks again and safe cycling,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Photos. (Kinda off topic)

2013-04-01 Thread WETH
Manny, your photographs are beautiful.  Go for it.  I use smugmug and I am 
quite happy with them.  www.smugmug.com  It is very easy to set up a site, 
customize it, and create public and private galleries.  I used to have a domain 
name linked to it, but I scaled back my freelancing to focus on teaching and 
family.  Smugmug charges an annual fee, but the package I have gives me 
unlimited storage.  You can also select a package that allows you to set prices 
for your prints and smugmug fullfills the orders for you.
Here is my site: http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/
It is out of date, but you get the idea.
In terms of Adventure Cycling using your image; did they have your permission?  
At a minimum they should ask permission and identify the image as yours--good 
advertising for you.
Good luck,
Erl

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[RBW] Riv Inspired Motobecane Makeover

2013-04-12 Thread WETH
Yesterday was gorgeous day; today it is raining and thundering.  After 
wrapping the Albatross bars on the Motobecane Super Mirage, I went for an 
early morning ride.  The weather and the ride were perfect.  However this 
makeover and ride would not have happened without the inspiration and 
knowledge I have received and continue to get from this group.  Thank you.

The Motobecane Super Mirage circa 1976 belonged to my father-in-law.  When 
it didn't sell at a yard sale, he gave it to me.  I didn't like the way it 
rode with the original drop bars and saddle.  It sat in my shed for a few 
years.  After reading many of the posts on this group and seeing the 
photos, I was inspired to fix the bike up Rivendell style and get it back 
on the road.  I overhauled the wheels, bottom bracket and pedal bearings, 
replaced all the cables and brake pads, installed new 27 x 1 1/4 tires, 
Brooks B68 saddle, and Rivendell cockpit (Nitto Albatross bars, Nitto 
Periscopa stem, Newbaum maroon colored bar tape (matches the head badge), 
Shimano MTB silver brake levers).  I left the pletscher rack, Weinmann 
brakes, Suntour stem mounted shifters, Suntour V-GT rear derailer and 
kickstand.  I also left on the county bike registration sticker that 
expired in 1978.

The Newbaum bar tape feels great; I rode yesterday without gloves.  Though, 
I usually ride with gloves to protect my hands in a fall, the bike lends 
itself to gloveless riding!

I adore riding this bike as currently configured.  I thank everyone for the 
inspiration and knowledge needed for me to do this.

Though I do not imagine riding this bike in the rain, I will look into 
whether I can squeeze in fenders.  I also want to fit a bottle cage or two 
for carrying water on longer rides.  Also still on the list is finishing 
the bar tape with twine.

Here are a few photos from yesterday.  More photos here if 
interested: 
http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Motobecane-Super-Mirage/28440802_jtmxgvhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SNO6w48PB-U/UWbhCSCHN0I/ALs/wM1b6hs8xuQ/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25281%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P7MRBcqG55s/UWbhDJVDnlI/AL4/6JjTD8NMmvM/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25284%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tBGThhK0u_M/UWbhCg0oAmI/ALw/J9q1ILjyVuo/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25283%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GjN8SRXu7J4/UWbhCVfMkXI/ALk/h1lh2jjixlM/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25282%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpg

Thanks for all the inspiration!  Safe cycling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Inspired Motobecane Makeover

2013-04-12 Thread WETH
Ron, thanks for the verification on fenders.
Ron and Patrick, Thanks for the suggestions for attaching bottle cages.  It is 
always nice to have options.
Many thanks and safe cycling,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Sackville bags for sale.

2013-04-12 Thread WETH
Looks nice on her bike.   I was tempted; interestingly I was toying with buying 
it and placing it on a pletscher rack, too.
I am sure she will like it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Inspired Motobecane Makeover

2013-04-13 Thread WETH
Ron, Will and Matt, thanks for all the input.  Here is a photo of the space 
I have between brakes and the top of my 1 1/4 or roughly 32mm tire.  The 
clearance appears to be about 15mm.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MBpqTwe8qHQ/UWm8cWpE7hI/AMI/-ovJr2_x2X4/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25281%2Bof%2B1%2529.jpg

Matt, yeah I am looking forward to riding this bike for years.  I am more 
vintage than the bike, and I can see riding this even as I age.  The set up 
gives me an upright, relaxed position that is easy on neck, wrists and 
back.  Interestingly, I am always tweaking the fit of my other bikes trying 
to dial in the perfect position.  With this bike, I set the seat height, 
dropped the stem in as far as it would go, and slightly tilted the bars 
down.  No additional tweaking was needed.  I guess I got lucky!

Thanks again, Erl


On Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:02:52 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 There is really a lot of room under those brakes.  On my 76 Raleigh with 
 the same brakes, I had a pair of 42mm shorties to keep the brakes clean, 
 and could clear (and cover) 1-3/8  cross tires.  Even 36mm Honjos should 
 clear 1-1/4 tires, but may not have the coverage you would like.  You 
 could fit 42mm Honjos and easily clear and cover 1-1/4 tires.  Honjos also 
 attach perfectly to this style frame - they are copies of the French 
 fenders that were made for this bike.  

 On Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:

  I dunno. I have an early '70s Super Mirage Mixte. It's my daily rider. 

 There's not a lot of clearance on the mixte for fenders, so I suspect the 
 mainstream model is similar. If you want to run 28's, there's no problem. 
 But beyond that it gets dicey. I'm using Planet Bike fenders. They're 
 easier to fit than anything else. The bike handles really well and if you 
 can adjust your fenders to something between 28's and 32's you have a nice 
 ride. 

 I'm using a rear rack and a Wald folding pannier basket. Works well.  

 On Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:47:28 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Well done.  If you can find a set somewhere, Berthoud composites will 
 look great on that bike.  While it may put too much weight on the handle 
 bars for comfortable steering, a stem mount bottle cage may be a solution. 
  Amazing to think something this old already is now set to give another 30 
 years of happy service.



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Re: [RBW] Yesterday's Ride

2013-04-13 Thread WETH
Great pictures.  Looks like a wonderful place to ride.

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[RBW] Watergap adventure tour

2013-04-13 Thread WETH
Nice photo.  Looks like everyone is having fun!

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Re: [RBW] New Riv owner -- this time, with pictures!

2013-04-15 Thread WETH
Beautiful bike.  Congratulations and happy cycling.

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[RBW] Handlebar Bag Recommendations?

2013-04-20 Thread WETH
Patrick, I have the small acorn handlebar bag on albatross bars.  I like it.  
It holds my cellphone, wallet, keys, cable lock, and Fold-up hex wrench set.  
In addition, I can also fit one of the follwing:  a bandanna or granola bar or 
camera (fuji x100).  The elastic closure attaches  securely but has enough 
elasticity to allow me to slightly over fill the bag and still secure the 
closure.  There is no external pocket and I cannot access the interior while 
cycling. The interior compartment is divided in two halves.  I find the 
Stabalizing cords useless on the albatross bars and have contemplated removing 
them.  The back of my stem shifters push into the bag a bit and help hold it in 
place and minimize sway.  Without that, I think the bag would sway a great 
deal.  Mine is the olive color.  The bag is beautifully finished.  
Picture here:I hope:
http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Motobecane-Super-Mirage/i-6VwTcZJ/0/M/Motobecane-0187-M.jpg
Best regards,
Erl

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[RBW] Handlebar Bag Recommendations?

2013-04-20 Thread WETH
Patrick, 
One more observation: the internal wooden brace is too long to snug up the bag 
flush with the Albatross bars, because of the bars bend/curve.  This also would 
create more sway I think if it weren't for the pressure exerted by my stem 
shifters.  Without the stem shifters I don't think the bag would fit well on my 
alba bars.  Maybe someone else has had more success with it.
Photo:  
http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Motobecane-Super-Mirage/i-j3RWJKR/0/M/Motobecane-0192-M.jpg
Again, it works well for me, but that is because of my stem shifters.
Regards,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag Recommendations?

2013-04-20 Thread WETH
My concern is the stabalizer bar which extends the width of the bag.  The keeps 
bag from being snugged up against the bar as it is pictured on dropbars on 
Acorn's website.
Your idea of attaching around the stem is intriguing.  I may try the bag on 
another bike with albatross bars and no stem shifters tomorrow.  Will post 
photo if I get a chance to experiment for you.
-Erl

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bag Recommendations?

2013-04-20 Thread WETH
By stabalizer bar I meant wooden brace.  Apologies for any confusion.

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Re: [RBW] Spring Commutes

2013-04-24 Thread WETH
Beautiful bikes; I really like the bar tape on the Hunqa.  The weather looks 
fabulous, too.  Thanks for sharing.

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[RBW] Re: 58 QB frame on CL (near-ish Seattle)

2013-04-24 Thread WETH
Wow, that is a beautiful restoration! I really like the green saddle/bar tape 
with the orange frame. 
 It appears the powder coating did not obscure the lug details any more than a 
paint job would have.  Is that accurate when looking at the bike in person?  I 
ask because I am considering powder coating a lugged frame.

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[RBW] Rivsters anyone have 42-44 cm noodles gathering dust?

2013-04-25 Thread WETH
Peter, if Hugh doesn't end up buying them, I am interested in buying the bars, 
brakes and interrupters.
Many thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Rivsters anyone have 42-44 cm noodles gathering dust?

2013-04-25 Thread WETH
Peter, if Hugh doesn't end up buying them, I am interested in buying the bars, 
brakes and interrupters.
Many thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new (to me) Atlantis on a local ride in NJ

2013-04-25 Thread WETH
I get that message on my IPad..

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[RBW] Re: Introduction

2013-04-25 Thread WETH
You have a beautiful bike!  Thanks for sharing the great photographs. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Atlantis

2013-04-25 Thread WETH
Matt, the frame, fork, stem, and touch up paint arrived safely today.  Thanks 
for a great transaction.  I felt like a kid opening the coolest looking 
Christmas present. 
My wife had a dubious look on her face as I unpacked the box.  In her defense, 
our screened porch contains my Surly LHT, 1975/76 Motobecane, a bike my 13 year 
old son and I are building up together for him, and all the parts and tools 
needed for that build.  I really have no need for another bike, but I have 
wanted an Atlantis for several years.  However, when my wife saw the frame her 
expression changed, and she exclaimed, Wow! That is classic looking.  I love 
the color.  I would like to ride a bike that color! Fortunatley for me, the 
bike is not her size. :)  Although there may be a Riv in her future.
I will be patiently thinking through the build and collecting the right parts; 
so it will be longer than I would like before I get the bike on the road.  
Plus, I have to complete my son's bike,first.  Thanks again and safe cycling.

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[RBW] Re: Doo Dah parade ramble.

2013-04-27 Thread WETH
That looked fun.  Photos made me smile.  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

2013-04-28 Thread WETH
I like the Planet Bike Protege 9.  I bought mine at REI.  I first learned of it 
through reviews on the Crazy Guy on a Bike website: 
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/reviews/board/message/?o=1thread_id=41518page=1nested=0v=1C

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RE: [RBW] Bombadil

2013-04-29 Thread WETH
Wow, that looks great.  Look forward to photos when you have it built up.

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Re: [RBW] April Overnighter

2013-04-29 Thread WETH
I enjoyed reading your description of the trip.  Thanks for sharing.  Great 
photos,too.
-Erl

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[RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

2013-04-29 Thread WETH
According to the Riv site...a 110.  Link here: 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bbc.htm
Safe cycling, Erl

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[RBW] RBW April S24O - My account (long with photos in the beginning...)

2013-04-29 Thread WETH
A great write-up and photos; that trip looks like it was awesome.  I love your 
bike as well!
Erl

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[RBW] A Photo From My Commute

2013-05-03 Thread WETH
Jim, that looks like a beautiful section to commute.  Thanks for sharing.
-Erl 

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RE: [RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

2013-05-04 Thread WETH
Kensington, Maryland.  Mine is a size 56 with 26 wheels.  It is not built up 
yet, but you are welcome to see the frame and fork in person.  Hope to have it 
built up in a few weeks.
-Erl

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[RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

2013-05-04 Thread WETH
I own a new to me Atlantis that was well loved and used.  It could really use 
fresh paint.  Initially, I was going to have it custom painted red with cream 
head tube.  However, when it arrived I discovered that I really like the 
blue/green standard color. It looks much nicer in person than displayed on a 
computer screen.  To help me with my decision on frame color, I have visited 
Jim's http://www.cyclofiend.com website and viewed all the Beautidul Atlantis 
bikes featured.  Does anyone else have pictures of their custom painted 
Atlantis that they would be willing to share?  
Many thanks, Erl

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[RBW] Re: Shimano bar-end shifters Albatross bars for commuting

2013-05-04 Thread WETH

I wanted to provide an update after all the helpful responses.  I installed 
the bar end shifters on the Albatross bars, and the set-up has worked 
great.  The index shifting is both accurate as well as fast.  I have no 
trouble switching through several gears when I need to.  I also focussed on 
my over-shifting habit.  Thanks again for all the advice and insight.

 Photos prove the set-up changed:
Before with trekking bars and grip shifts:

[image: Surly+LHT+2013-1036.jpg]

After with Albatross bars and bar end shifters:

[image: Surly+Alba+%281+of+3%29.jpg]

More on the new set up 
here: http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/28441200_bmjtbS

Thanks again for all the assistance.

Erl

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Re: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

2013-05-05 Thread WETH
Pudge, Kelly, and Brian thanks for sharing those.  The red, copper and pewter 
are great colors.  Your photos really help me visualize color options.
Many thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

2013-05-06 Thread WETH
Another vote for the large.  I can easily fit two 6 packs of bottled beer, plus 
tool roll, u-lock, hat, gloves, frame pump, and much else.  Today, I carried a 
box o joe from Dunkin Donuts to a meeting; I could have fit two in there and 
still had room!
Patrick, if it won't interfere with balance issues, I highly recommend the 
large.  Personally, I like having excess space.
Sorry to drift a bit off topic.
-Erl, who carries too much stuff, Houston

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[RBW] Randonneur and Rivendell rumble.

2013-05-06 Thread WETH
Manny, those are terrific.  Perhaps my favorite set of yours.  Please make sure 
you are protecting your copyright; I can see cycling related companies wanting 
to use those.  Make sure they pay you and give proper credit.  You possess a 
great eye and your photography skills are growing rapidly.
Thanks for sharing,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

2013-05-11 Thread WETH
Patrick,
I carry all sorts of loads from a medium backpack full of clothes and a 
laptop computer, to six-packs of 12-oz bottled beverages, to box of Dunkin 
Coffee, to camping gear. (not all at one time:) )  I could easily exceed 
weight limit of wheel and rack before capacity of the bag.  I love the bag 
and leave it attached all the time.
I strap mine down with leather straps purchased, I believe, from Acorn 
Bags.  (see poor quality photo)
Strapped down, it takes being laid down fine.  It actually helps buffer 
other parts of the bike from the ground and adds some beausage (sp?).
Best wishes,

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8O7OmPX6_Cw/UY7X79JJ2OI/ANg/5pPE4FGKJ0k/s1600/Saddlesack.JPG
Erl

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my 
 everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan 
 on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put 
 the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up 
 all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the 
 kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree 
 where I am stopping. 

 My questions: 

 -- What kinds of loads do you carry? 
 -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? 
 -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or 
 unanchored? 
 -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? 

 Thanks! 

 With abandon, 
 Patrick 

 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

2013-05-11 Thread WETH
Here is a photo of the beverages:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZaeY65IqQtM/UY7ZZjzdMKI/ANs/SpNq8WJEs_I/s1600/saddlesack2.JPG
Best regards,
Erl

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my 
 everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan 
 on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put 
 the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up 
 all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the 
 kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree 
 where I am stopping. 

 My questions: 

 -- What kinds of loads do you carry? 
 -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? 
 -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or 
 unanchored? 
 -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? 

 Thanks! 

 With abandon, 
 Patrick 

 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Pikes Peak Continued...

2013-05-12 Thread WETH
Great stuff.  You live in a spectacular region.  Thanks for sharing the 
adventure and photos.

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

2013-05-12 Thread WETH
I use this one : 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/seatposts/vo-grand-cru-seat-post-long-setback.html
You will still need to ride with an Allen key, but adjustment is so much easier!
Sage cycling,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: OT - Brewpub racer on the cheap - first summer ride in San Antonio

2013-05-20 Thread WETH
Beautiful bike with a great build.  I hope you will have as much fun riding the 
bike as you appear to have had collecting parts and building it up.

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[RBW] Re: OT - Brewpub racer on the cheap - first summer ride in San Antonio

2013-05-20 Thread WETH
Beautiful bike with a great build.  I hope you will have as much fun riding the 
bike as you appear to have had collecting parts and building it up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA shorts question

2013-05-29 Thread WETH
Great photo.  I did 20 miles today in my Musa shorts and Ibex wool t-shirt.  
Summer humidity hit the DC area today, and I was cool and comfortable, 
relatively!

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[RBW] Anybody ordering to enter the Sam/Betty raffle? And usual excellent customer service from Riv folks

2013-05-31 Thread WETH
Ordered many parts for my new to me Atlantis.  I think I hit the double entry 
threshold if I remember the original contest wording. ;)
If I were fortunate to win, I would be selecting a bike for my wife to ride.  
Her choice.
Not surprised to hear you had a great customer service experience!

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[RBW] Re: Anybody ordering to enter the Sam/Betty raffle? And usual excellent customer service from Riv folks

2013-06-01 Thread WETH
Patrick,
Facebook posting mentioned frame set.  Text copied below from Facebook.  Good 
luck to all!
Best regards, Erl

quoted text from Facebook follows: (couldn't get link to work)

Rebates Out, Raffles In
As I announced last time, the 5% rebate is going away to be replaced with lower 
pricing on items. I thought it would be a controversial development, but only 
got one response and it was the opposite of my expectations: Good Riddance. 
This customer has been trying for years to opt-out of his rebate. He didn't 
want it when we first rolled it out and would remind us when our not-clued-in 
staff would tell him he's got a credit. Keep it! he'd say. Finally, it's 
working for him. We have great customers. Thanks for sticking it out so long 
Richard!

But we still want to reward customers with something tantalizing, exciting to 
think about, keep you coming back... so it's raffle time.

If you remember, in December we did a raffle for a Custom frame. It generated 
some good conversations on the owners bunch, drummed up some sales, and made 
one customer very happy. Maybe she never would have sprung for a custom, and 
that's nice to think about. We'll do the Custom again in December, but will do 
a similar one now and at least one more before the holidays. This time for a 
Sam or Betty frameset. They will be coming in over the next few months, and you 
can have a chance to win one:

Place an eligible order over $200 between now and June 1st for a chance to win 
a Betty or Sam frame.  Let's say we have our best May on record and get 1500 
orders and maybe half are over $200. That's pretty good odds. By eligible we 
just mean the obvious stuff:
 
paid in full
don't use a gift card unless you still put in $200 cash
$200 limit is before tax and shipping but after discounts
anything else that's fair and obvious that we're forgetting
void if you return or cancel the order
for new orders only, sorry backorder folks, you'll have to buy something else
starts now, ends June 1 midnight PST. Announced June 3rd on the blug.
one chance per customer UNLESS you do:
a $500 order gets you two chances to win

There are no sale items this month because of the raffle, but get those orders 
in soon for free shipping and a raffle ticket.

- Dave

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[RBW] Re: Anybody ordering to enter the Sam/Betty raffle? And usual excellent customer service from Riv folks

2013-06-01 Thread WETH
Patrick,
I forgot to ask how you like the Large Saddlesack?

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[RBW] Re: Growing up

2013-06-02 Thread WETH
Those are great looking bikes.  Please share photos as the Atlantis grows up.

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[RBW] Sunday Morning Ramble.

2013-06-02 Thread WETH
Looks like a fun ride.  Thanks for sharing the photos.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - The Cicada Ride (Brood 2)...or the Hatton Ferry, Yogaville, and James River Brewery Spin...

2013-06-03 Thread WETH
Great photos and write-up.  We are still waiting for the cicadas in my part of 
Maryland.  Guess I better get ready to share my rides with them!

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[RBW] New Tektro TRP Levers - Review

2013-06-03 Thread WETH
Michael, I enjoyed the Senility Prayer.  It is a new one to me, but similar to 
one of my other favorites:
May those who love us, love us.
And those who don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if He doesn't turn their hearts,
May He turn their ankles,
So we will know them by their limping.

A more creative spirit than I will be able to adapt these both to cycling!
PS: thanks for the brake lever write-up.

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[RBW] Saddlesack (med) grocery loading strategy and related questions

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Patrick,
That is quite the impressive load!  Well done.
I use the large Saddlesack and load outside the store.  I would be too stressed 
trying to load while checking out, all with impatient folks behind me.  I take 
my items outside to my bike, analyze what I have, and load accordingly.  
Similar to a game of tetrus.  With your load I would have placed the milk in 
first toward the back of the bag to get its weight more forward and to give 
form to the bag.  Last in would be fragile things like fruit, which would go on 
top or closest to closure.  Most likely that is what you did.  You could also 
strap lightweight bulky items to the top of the bag, like the maxipads. ;) 
Assuming the medium bag has the ability to  secure straps to the outside this 
would give more room inside the bag.
I use a rack with the large Saddlesack and do not find room compromised; in 
fact on my Surly the large would be unusable without the rack.  The large is 
designed, I believe, to be secured on the bottom to a rack and on top to the 
saddle.  There is no means to connect it to the seat post.
It sounds like you have a good system with the panniers.
Good luck,
Erl

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[RBW] Albas...steel or aluminum? Please help me decide...

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Michael,
I have steel alba bars on two bikes and like them a great deal.  I notice no 
flex when I stand to pedal.  I am about 5'10 and 170lbs.  I have no experience 
with the aluminum, sorry.

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[RBW] Family Ramble

2013-06-04 Thread WETH
Patrick,
Glad you were able to enjoy such a wonderful day.  The photos are beautiful.
I bike for many reasons, but one reason is rooted in my childhood.  On 
Saturdays, I would accompany my dad on a leisurely bike ride around our town 
that included breakfast at a local diner.  Seeing your children biking with you 
stirred some great memories for me.
Thanks,Erl

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[RBW] New to me Atlantis

2013-06-06 Thread WETH
Superlatives are inadequate.  I am thrilled and contented with my Atlantis. 
This bike makes me want to just ride and ride and ride and ride.
My thanks to Matt Gilkey (for a great transaction on the frame, fork,hs, and 
stem) and Peter G (handlebars and both sets of brake levers.).   Brian Tester 
answered my many questions on parts with much patience.  Thanks to his advice 
the bike came together well.  Any problems rest solely with the mechanic (me).

The bike rides amazingly well.  Already owning a Surly LHT, I was unprepared 
for such a fabulous ride: quick, steady, nimble.  I assumed the ride of LHT and 
the Atlantis would be the same.  In defense of my Surly, it is loaded down with 
racks and Saddlesacks full of too much stuff.  The 26x2.15 Big Apples give the 
same supple ride as the 26x2.35s on my Surly.  I haven't ridden drop bars in 
over 20 years, but I find the Noodles incredibly comfortable for long 
distances.  The Surly will remain for commuting and the Atlantis will be ridden 
on long weekend and the ocassional weekday rambles!

Over the last two days I rode 100 miles around D.C. and along the CO Canal.  
Here are some photos from out in the wild: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjFPBw5e
I rode on mixed use trails, the gravel CO canal towpath, and roads.  The 
Atlantis handled all surfaces and situations well.  I will stop gushing, though 
I could not be more pleased with a bike.  Bar tape arrives Monday!

I should also thank this group for the generous sharing of knowledge.
Thanks.
Erl

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[RBW] Re: HELP...last minute Rivendell paint decision!

2013-06-10 Thread WETH
Green.

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[RBW] Re: I rode my A. Homer Hilsen on a 600K brevet (a link to a blogpost)

2013-06-11 Thread WETH
A great write up of a fabulous ride. Quite inspirational.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

2013-06-13 Thread WETH
That is a nice looking LHT.  I have a black one with 26 wheels which I enjoy 
riding.  You gave your brother some good advice.  Best wishes on the tour.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Triple XD2 (24-36-46) 2-month review...with pic...

2013-06-13 Thread WETH
I also like it for all the reasons you stated.  I have it installed on my 
Atlantis.  I ride a Surly LHT with a 22/32/44 crankset and find the Sugino a 
better match for my riding.
When I was buying parts for my Atlantis, I contacted Riv and they recommended I 
use a 113mm bottom bracket with the XT Front Derailler and Sugino triple.  This 
is a bit different from the website which recommends a 110mm bottom bracket: 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bbc.htm
I was glad I asked and the 113mm bottom bracket has it all working together 
well.

-Erl

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[RBW] Nitto Lugged Seatpost, Nitto Periscopa and More For Sale

2012-04-13 Thread WETH
I am interested in the Periscopa if still available.
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Sackville Toursacks For Commuting

2011-10-19 Thread WETH
I am hoping the collective wisdom of this group will be able to help me.  
I have been interested in the Sackville Toursacks for a long time to replace 
my 10 year-old set of Nashbar panniers.  I would use them mostly for 
carrying clothes and work related items.  I need to remove the panniers and 
take them with me into work, so I would be removing and reattaching them at 
least once a day.  
On the Rivendell website they write, The mounting system is a bit odd, but 
it works great as long as you don’t need to mount and demount your bags at 
every destination.  My question to those who have a set of Toursacks, just 
how difficult is it removing these?  What is involved?  I can tell from the 
photos at the Riv site how they attach at the bottom of the rack, but I am 
unclear how they attach at the top.  My current panniers attach to my rack 
with clips at the top and a hook at the end of a bungee for securing to the 
bottom of the rack.
I love the look of the olive Toursacks, but I value convenience and ease of 
use just as much.  Would I find securing a pair of panniers from Lone Peaks 
or Carradice more straightforward for my purposes? (Remembering I am 
attaching and removing them each time I commute.) 
I appreciate any assistance. 
Many thanks,
Erl
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Toursacks For Commuting

2011-10-20 Thread WETH
Thomas and Rene,
Thank you both for your thoughtful responses.  You both provided the 
information I was hoping to learn.
My commute is a little over 8 miles on paved roads.  My load is balanced in 
terms of weight between my two panniers, but my clothing causes one pannier 
to bulge more than the one that contains papers and other work supplies.
In summary, it appears that while the attachment system is a bit less simple 
than plug and play it is not cumbersome.  I really like the style of the 
toursacks and the fact that they are one unit with a handle.
Thomas, thanks for the link to the photos; they were worth a 1,000 words.  
It appears the bungee ball cords attached to the top of the rack would 
secure the toursacks quite well for my purposes.
Again my thanks to both of you for your assistance.
Best regards and safe cycling,
Erl
Washington, DC

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Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC NoVa

2012-02-18 Thread WETH
Steve,
I am in Kensington, too.  Though I do not ride a Rivendell (yet), I do commute 
with a large Saddlesack and other Rivendell gear!  My commute takes me the 
length of Kensington Parkway before I head south into DC.  If you see me riding 
(black Surly LHT, olive, large Saddlesack, yellow triangle reflector on rear 
fender, yellow jacket and helmet) please say hi!
I  have passed someone riding a Romulus on occasion, too.
Best,
Erl

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[RBW] Riv Build Kit Question

2013-03-14 Thread WETH
I apologize in advance if I am missing something obvious.  My question: does 
anyone know why the Build Kit for the 700 Drop Bar Sam ( 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/build-05.htm) is $125 more than the build kit 
for the 700 Upright Bar Sam (http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/build-02.htm)?  I 
can account for about $32 difference with brake levers and handlebars.  However 
that doesn't take into account grips on the upright bar kit and no bar tape on 
the drop bar kit.  What am I missing?  Something obvious I am sure! 
The price difference is not huge in light of the overall cost but not 
insignificant, either.  I am trying to exercise some creative accounting in the 
hopes of stretching for the purchase of a new Sam.  I was thinking to give drop 
bars on the Sam a good try, as I hope to use the Sam for longer distance rides 
(+20 miles).  However, I am reluctant with the extra cost of the build kit and 
my budget.  I know Albatross bars are comfortable as I have them on another 
bike, though I have never ridden them on rides over 20 miles..
I know I can always call and ask the folks at Rivendell why the difference in 
price, but I was hoping someone here might be able to help.
Many thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Riv Build Kit Question

2013-03-15 Thread WETH
I thank everyone for their replies and thoughts.  I will have to make a call to 
Rivendell to learn more.  Of course, I worry, if I call, I will end up 
purchasing!  

Thanks again.  This is a great group, and I have learned a great deal from you 
all over the last few years.

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[RBW] Re: Spring-like morning ride report

2013-03-15 Thread WETH
Andy, that is a fabulous photo!  

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Re: [RBW] Spring-like morning ride report

2013-03-15 Thread WETH
This is probably old news, but is that Andy and his family featured in the 
photo on the Adventure Cycling Homepage? http://www.adventurecycling.org/
Beautiful photograph.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Periscopa or 80mm Dirt Drop Stem

2013-03-16 Thread WETH
I have equipped an old Motobecane with a periscopa stem and Albatross bars. 
 I rode the set-up two days ago for about 15 miles and found it quite 
comfortable.  I did have to move my hand position forward, toward the stem, 
on the Albatross bars, otherwise the handling was a bit twitchy.  That is 
most likely an issue related to the Motobecane.  The handling improved when 
I had more weight further forward on the bar, right before the curve.  I 
suppose that means I really should be using a longer stem.  (However, it is 
nice to have extra grip space closer to my body for when I want to sit up 
more and precise handling is not an issue.)  I did not experience any elbow 
pain on my ride, but then I never have from riding.  I did notice a bit of 
soreness in my biceps toward the end of the ride, not a bad thing, just 
something new.  Overall the setup was quite comfortable both leisurely 
riding a paved trail and riding more quickly on the road.  Here is a photo 
of my set-up in the hope it gives you a sense of what the periscopa bar 
might do for your set-up.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-81Zd4gitAUU/UUTZ9rrox_I/ALA/nrPD8zmpsuw/s1600/Motobecane+Periscopa-1132.jpg
There are a few more photos of the set-up 
here: 
http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Motobecane-Super-Mirage/28440802_jtmxgv

Like you I am still experimenting a bit, hence the green grips which are 
really sections of old garden hose and duct tape.  I am trying to decide 
how much padding I want on the bars.  Eventually I will wrap everything 
with some maroon Newbaums bar tape from Rivendell.

Safe cycling,
Erl  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Periscopa or 80mm Dirt Drop Stem

2013-03-17 Thread WETH
I am glad the photo was helpful.  However, the photo is deceiving as to the 
saddle; the saddle is a Brooks B68 which they do not appear to make anymore.  I 
have a Standard B17 on my commuting bike, and it would not be a good choice for 
me on a more upright set-up.  The B 68 is fine with the periscope bars as it is 
a wider saddle.  I think the B68 was just a B67 without springs.  I would 
recommend a B67 which has springs.  Many riders with a more upright riding 
position have them and seem to like them.  In short any saddle on which you can 
comfortably place more weight will ease the pressure on your arms and hands.  
Good luck and safe cycling,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Two Rivs Out of 400+ Bikes

2013-03-19 Thread WETH

The ride looks like it was fun.  I guess it pays to genuinely admire a bike!




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[RBW] Sunday S24O

2013-07-08 Thread WETH
Patrick,
Wonderful images.  What a lovely place at which to camp.  
How do you like the large Saddlesack?
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Classy bottle

2013-07-09 Thread WETH
My wife uses the insulated and it fits in the plastic bottle cages sold by 
Kleen Kanteen.  It also fits in the Iris cages.

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[RBW] Re: Family Bike Tour

2013-07-13 Thread WETH
Andy, thanks for sharing that great set of photos!  It looks like it was an 
awesome trip.
Erl

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[RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

2013-07-13 Thread WETH
Michael, that is a great goal!  Be sure to make a photograph when you reach the 
top on your 70th.  

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[RBW] Re: Second Breakfast (ride report)

2013-07-14 Thread WETH
Outstanding way to beat the heat or at least adapt to it.  I think I may have 
to add a hamock to my cycling gear.
-Erl 

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[RBW] Blug 7/22/13

2013-07-23 Thread WETH
Loved the video.  I haven't retrieved bike parts from a dump yet, but a great 
idea.  The gentleman creates the tool, to make the part, to fit on the car.  
Awesome!

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 56 Rambouillet

2013-07-23 Thread WETH
Beautiful!  I must look away and hope someone buys it fast, before I 
reconsider. :)

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[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?

2013-07-29 Thread WETH
Of the two, fwiw, I would vote black.  Here is my black Rivified Surly LHT:


On Monday, July 29, 2013 1:54:55 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I anticipate getting closer to the delivery of Appaloosa custom and was 
 all set on a good WWII type Khaki green, and THEN just as Grant predicted 
 I've been wavering.  I am now considering a black frame  --either way with 
 of course a cream headtube.  So I'm throwing out some chum to see what all 
 y'all think:  black or army green?  Please feel free to post links to your 
 beautiful black or army green bike.

 RCW


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[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap

2013-07-30 Thread WETH
It reads and looks like an absolute blast!  Thanks for the write-ups and 
pictures.  
-Erl

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[RBW] CO Canal/GAP Trail Week of Aug 12-19

2013-08-01 Thread WETH
Would any 'RBW Friends' be interested in joining me to ride part or all of 
the CO Canal http://www.bikewashington.org/canal/ and/or GAP 
Trailhttp://www.atatrail.org/ sometime 
between August 12-19?

A friend and I had scheduled the week of August 12th to cycle the CO 
Canal.  We were going to ride the roughly 180 miles from Cumberland, MD to 
Washington, DC in three days.  Living in the DC area,  we were going to 
select the three consecutive days with the best weather forecast for the 
ride.  Unfortunately, an injury has sidelined my friend, and while I don't 
mind riding alone, companionship makes a trip more enjoyable.  On the off 
chance folks are interested in joining me on such short notice, I would 
welcome the company.

Tentative Trip details:
When:  sometime during the week of August 12-19th (a 2 or 3 day ride would 
be fine, but so would a 5-7 day)
Where: CO Canal and/or the GAP Trail -or- some combination of both; I am 
flexible and both trails are on my 'bucket list'.
Miles: an average of 40-60 miles a day. I prefer a leisurely pace.
Lodging: I am open to camping, motels or a combination.  My preference 
would be motels to limit the gear I carry, but I am a camper and would be 
open to camping.

Please email me off list if you are interested: erlhouston (at) gmail (dot) 
com and we can discuss further.  I have heard and read wonderful things 
about these two trails and am looking forward to the ride!

All the best,
Erl
Kensington, Maryland

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[RBW] Long can be good, too

2013-08-04 Thread WETH
Congratulations on the accomplishment of the day and the season! Your 
photographs really capture the beauty of the area. 

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[RBW] Stolen SimpleOne (Sacramento)

2013-08-13 Thread WETH
I am sorry to learn about your bike.
While a long shot, you might try entering your bike info here: 
http://www.stolenbicycleregistry.com/index.php
Best wishes on recovering your bike,
Erl

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[RBW] WTT: XD2 Triple 172.5 for a 170

2013-08-13 Thread WETH
I have  a 172.5 Sugino XD2 Triple crankset (46X36x24) that I would be 
interested in trading for a 170mm.  Mine was bought new in May from Rivendell 
and has under 500 miles on it.  I would also be interested in buying someone's 
170 XD2 triple crankset if I don't get any trade offers. 
Many thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] WTT: XD2 Triple 172.5 for a 170

2013-08-13 Thread WETH
Patrick,
Sounds good to me.  If you email me your address, I will mail crankset on 
Monday and email you tracking info.  (Weather forecast through the weekend is 
exceptional for August in D.C., amd I want a few rides on the Atlantis before I 
remove the crankset.)
Many thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2

2013-08-14 Thread WETH
I really enjoyed watching the video. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Greetings! - 64cm Atlantis?

2013-08-17 Thread WETH
Tony,
The build looks great.  Enjoy the ride.  I will keep a look out for you and 
your Atlantis in the DC area.
Safe cycling,
Erl 
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: DC area 60-62cm Atlantis for a test ride?

2013-08-19 Thread WETH
I, too, could bring a 56
Erl
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: DC area 60-62cm Atlantis for a test ride?

2013-08-20 Thread WETH
I will reserve the 14th and 15th.  Should be fun.

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[RBW] Re: Riv National Jamboree Poll

2013-08-20 Thread WETH
I am excited about this.  I voted for SF, mostly for the dates.  As a teacher, 
I have more travel flexibility in the summer.  Minnesota and California are 
both great venues.

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for Saddle Bag--mostly for books

2013-08-23 Thread WETH
Tom,
Short Answer: another vote for a large Saddlesack.
Long Answer: be sure to think through your commuting process.  From personal 
experience, I transitioned from panniers to a large Saxdlesack because of my 
personal routine and preferences.  I commute several days a week by bike and 
the other days by car or bus.  When I started bike commuting, I liked panniers 
for the ease of attaching and removal from bike.  Over time, though, I found 
transferring things from panniers to a briefcase or a backpack tedious on the 
days I drove or took the bus.  (i am sure there are panniers that convert to 
backpacks or briefcases to allow easier transport off the bike.) The large 
Saddlesack is spacious enough to hold my briefcase and/or backpack.  This keeps 
life more simple and minimizes the likelihood I forget something in a bag at 
home.  The downside to the large Saddlesack is that it is not as easy to switch 
it between bikes as with a set of panniers.  Finally, a more permanently attach 
Saddlesack might bring unwanted attention to your bike depending on where you 
have to secure it at school.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Birthday Ride Report

2013-08-25 Thread WETH
Happy birthday!  It looks like a great ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New rack!

2013-08-25 Thread WETH
Patrick,
That is a beautiful rack.  Definately worth the wait.

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[RBW] My miniature AHH

2013-08-25 Thread WETH
Gorgeous bike.  It looks like you are enjoying it already.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fast Freds!

2013-09-01 Thread WETH
Patrick,
I am glad the 172.5mm cranks are working out.  I am enjoying my new 170mm 
cranks. :)
Thanks for a great transaction.
-Erl
PS: apologies for temporary thread diversion.

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[RBW] WTB: 165mm Sugino XD2 Crank, Triple 46x36x24

2013-09-01 Thread WETH
I am seeking a used 165mm Sugino XD2 Crank, Triple 46x36x24 for a bike I am 
building for my wife.  Should anyone have one in inventory please be in touch.
Many thanks,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fast Freds!

2013-09-01 Thread WETH
You made me laugh on the speed increase, and It was a fair trade.  Thanks again.

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[RBW] Hunqa with Albastaches

2013-09-08 Thread WETH
 Brian,
Thanks for the description and pics of your albastache set-up.  I use an 
albatross bar on my commuter, but your write-up has me pondering an experiment 
with albastaches.  Did you change stem lengths or rise when you switched from 
albatross to albastache?
Thanks,
Erl
PS: I am refusing to contemplate winter, yet! :)

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[RBW] 14 Sep - DC Area Atlantis Ride

2013-09-08 Thread WETH
Tony,
Sounds good to me.  I plan on being there.  I look forward to meeting you and 
others.
Thanks,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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Re: [RBW] Ride/Camp Report: Carbon River Valley, Mt. Rainier Nat'l Park, 29-31 August 2013

2013-09-08 Thread WETH
I thoroughly enjoyed your description and the photos of the trip.  Thanks for 
sharing the link.
-Erl

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[RBW] Re: 14 Sep - DC Area Atlantis Ride

2013-09-14 Thread WETH
It was a great ride and my first ride with other RBW folks.  Tony, thanks for 
organizing and leading us.  It was fun comparing our Atlanti.  Ken and Howard, 
I enjoyed meeting and riding with you both.  Seeing a Ramboullait and an 
Allrounder in person was a treat  I managed to get in 52 miles of riding today 
on the Atlantis!
I, too, hope that today will be the first of many future rides! 
All the best,
Erl

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