Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

The Dream bar was the classic standard drop bar made for Rivendell by 
Nitto. If I remember correctly its what they offered prior to the Noodle. 
It was sold along with the Noodle bar for a bit before they just dropped it 
because the Noodle was the drop they would suggest over all others. 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:32:41 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the clarification.  My posts weren't meant to be adversarial, 
> just pedantic.  I came into Riv via EcoVelo ~2010, and I didn't own my 
> first Riv until 2013, so the "Soba" predates me, and I thought that y'all 
> were using it colloquially for "So Bar"--the marketing content from Sim 
> Works makes references to literal soba noodles.  I'm curious if the 
> contemporary "So Bar" is inspired by the "Soba".
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
>> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>>
>> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made 
>> by Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 
>>
>> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto 
>> Soba Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
>>> Sim Works:
>>>
>>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>>
>>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so 
>>> I don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
>>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
>>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>>
>>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  
>>> Sim Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
>>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>>
>>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use 
>>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
>>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
>>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
>>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
>>> wider.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
 listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
 was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
 offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
 centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
 regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate 
 the 
 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm 
 ones 
 off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
 my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
 Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.

 On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell 
> them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  
> That's 
> my advice.  ;)
>
> BL in EC
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

When RIvendell sold them back in the day I think Grant said they were about 
60g lighter than a standard noodle bar. That is right in line with what you 
found, Bill.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 7:26:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  
>
> They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
> Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
> them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
> is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
> "ultralight" flavor.  
>
> There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
> loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
> identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
> Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
> 440mm.  
>
> The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
> end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
> my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
> to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
> Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
> in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
> the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
> loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

Look at Bill just strolling in and flexing about his super stash of these 
bars.  :)

It looks like I might have a line on one but I agree that they would knock 
these out quick if they did a small release of them.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:16:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've 
> told Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he 
> did a presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
> actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
> sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
> $140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
> that would make sense for all involved.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
>> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
>> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

Yeah thats a big haul too. New wheels, cockpit, brake setup, gearing 
(potentially). New road focused bike is 100% the way to go. :)

PS: I would feel the same way about getting a bike that would then need a 
cockpit overhaul automatically like that. A good deal gets to be less of 
one when you have to throw down a bunch cash on top of it to get it the way 
you want

PPS: This has inspired me to get a road frame to replace the Roadini that I 
was unable to build up last year. Not a Rivendell but Riv adjacent.

PPPS: When you keep adding postscripts should you be adding extra P's the 
way I did it or you you at extra S's? It seems like Post, Post, makes more 
sense than Script, Script.if that is indeed what the S stands for. Its 
been years since I have been in school or actually wrote a real life letter.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:17:29 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
> plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
> because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
> with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
>> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>>
>> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar 
>> to a Cheviot.
>>
>> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
>> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
>> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
>> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
>> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
>> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
>> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
>> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>>
>> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
>> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>>
>> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
>> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
>> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>>
>> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
>> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
>> hands are in the hoods.
>> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
>> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
>> braking from the drops.
>>
>> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
>> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
>> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
>> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>>
>> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty 
>> sure I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the 
>> left or right.
>>
>> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
>> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
>> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
>> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
>> slower on my Cheviot.
>>
>> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
>> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
>> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
>> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need 
>> to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk 
>> benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous 
>> for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me (Hetre EL or Babyshoe pass EL or parimoto 
>> 38 mm are tires I have used and are wonderful).  I think Jan 
>> Heine/Compass/Rene Herse's research showed that 42 mm supple tires are no 
>> less efficient and can be more efficient than 28 mm road tires.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry about the weight of the bike unless I was just hanging 
>> on by a thread and needed to lose a pound or two to keep a margin of 
>> comfort, or unless I were actually racing (I don't) and seconds might 
>> really count. Besides, I know there is a certain amount of satisfaction 
>> when a racing Platy keeps up with the carbon fiber pack!
>>
>> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.

Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
difference at the beginning.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend going 
> there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need any 
> tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to be 
> riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 

 We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.

 The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
 clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
 That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.

 cheers -mathias

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
> (shipped 
> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>
> Best winds!
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a 
>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know 
>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no 
>>> idea 
>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>> looks 
>>> great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
>>> would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has 
>>> a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>> what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>> before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, 
>>> longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

And congrats if you get it. That is a very solid road focused Riv at a 
really fair price.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:05:36 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That still falls into that "rivendell likes to size up" thing. I had a 54 
> Rambouillet and while I am 5'9" I have a lower PBH (around 80). The 54 was 
> the max I would be comfortable with. A 55 Romulus would likely work. Leah's 
> PBH is slightly larger so I think the 55 would be a great fit. Going to a 
> 59 sounds crazy to me.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>>>> (shipped 
>>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>>
>>>> Best winds!
>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>>>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>>>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>>>> this way as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>>>> ideal. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>>>>> before. 
>>>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

That still falls into that "rivendell likes to size up" thing. I had a 54 
Rambouillet and while I am 5'9" I have a lower PBH (around 80). The 54 was 
the max I would be comfortable with. A 55 Romulus would likely work. Leah's 
PBH is slightly larger so I think the 55 would be a great fit. Going to a 
59 sounds crazy to me.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
> Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

*- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? 
Thanks!"*

Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be 
built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the 
Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is 
pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well 
because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a 
swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to 
be more flexible with fitting.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah!
>
> I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
> addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
> but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
> in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
> ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
> more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
> threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
> bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
> head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
> every now and then.  
>
> Crustbikes.com
>
>
> Good luck in your search,
>
> Guy
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> Good morning Leah,
>> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a 
>> fan of Mercians.
>> A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
>> Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
>> had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
>> consider.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David 
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
>> probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
>> influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
>> familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
>> I still enjoy that type of riding at times.
>>
>> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
>> checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The All-Road 
>> Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of 
>> departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating 
>> Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is 
>> much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a 
>> healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as 
>> it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you seem to be 
>> arriving at: https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan 
>> also wrote somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are 
>> good friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by 
>> promoting what he likes.
>>
>> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
>> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
>> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
>> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
>> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
>> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is 
>> not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
>> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my 
>> current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for 
>> doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the 
>> Crust excels at long, fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make 
>> randonneur bikes like my Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the 
>> lighter-gauge tubing and the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate 
>> front loads, but Grant has written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm 
>> pretty close here) that he's glad companies like Crust exist and do 
>> different stuff from Riv. I don't feel like riding my Crust is an insult to 
>> Rivendell, just an expression of the fact that my riding conditions are a 
>> bit different from theirs, though I totally get it if that's how it feels 
>> to you. 
>>
>> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race 
>> and "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like 
>> early 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a 
>> lot of similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: 
>> it's designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights 
>> are just as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

Probably a bit of a wait for a Gallop but the slightly lower top tube could 
give it an edge over standard road frames. I have the swoopy prototype and 
if it rides the same people are going to love it.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 7:23:36 PM UTC-4 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah I was psyched to see this post because you were the #1 influence on 
> me to get a Platypus (besides Lance who sold it to me! Thanks, Lance!). 
> Besides the Platy, which is for around town and gravel and kid-hauling, I 
> also ride my father-in-laws 1990-something Merlin road bike in occasional 
> club rides and races. I love the Platy for all the already mentioned 
> reasons in this Bunch, and love the snappy, fast, titanium Merlin, but 
> always wish the fork was a bit heavier (and not carbon) and that the 
> chainstays were a hair longer (and didn’t limit the rear tire to 25mm). 
>
> I almost jumped on a used Roadeo in my size a month or so ago and am 
> extremely Roadini curious. I wonder if you say the roadini “doesn’t offer 
> enough of a change” for you because you think it’s not different enough 
> from the Platy? I would think the Roadini is closer to the Roadeo or a 
> Rambouillet than the Gallop will be. From the August 2023 blahg, the Gallop 
> looks like a mix between a Platy and a Roadini. 
>
> when I see that Homer Jim shared in your size as a web special my first 
> thought was, “THAT’S IT!,” but I think you should give a ”real” “road bike” 
> a shot rather than a “country bike” like a Sam or a Homer, since your 
> Platy’s are in that category. 
>
> Thanks for your contributions Leah and have fun finding your next “Save me 
> from the wind on club rides!” Bike! 
>
> Christian
> Boulder, CO
>
> PS: Gallop pics in this blagh:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/august?_pos=11&_sid=e1163b89a&_ss=r
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:58:44 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:
>
> I think the Roadeo is the raciest road bike Riv has made. I've seen one 
> 56cm that was built up to 18.5 lbs with pedals. But if you're looking 
> beyond the weight weenie category, there are lots of other options. 
> Rambouillet, Redwood, and Romulus come to mind. And if you're not fixed on 
> 700 wheels, you've got the Hilsen, Saluki, and Bleriot. I had a road 
> wheelset for my Legolas, which I used for club rides and randonneuring. I 
> wouldn't hesitate to put drop bars on my Bleriot and turn it into a 
> randonneur too. And how could I forget the Hillborne? Also very roadable. 
> There's a 51 dropbar Homer on the web special page 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/51cm-homer-dark-gold-antonios-dropbar-pick 
> if that's your size.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek ca
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

I doubt the Roadeo is a TON lighter than a Roadini. I think the weight 
details would be in the build more than anything else. As far as bars are 
concerned drops are fun on a road bike but not required. My recommendation 
for a non-drop road setup would be the Albastache bars which are IMO the 
best road bars out there.

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 5:12:07 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged 
> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and 
>>> you won't go wrong!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
 bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
 After 
 selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
 Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
 was 
 the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
 than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
 randonneuse.  

 Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
 best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
 newer 
 batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  

 I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
 casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
 had 
 at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
 and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
 personal shopper.  :)

 Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
 with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
 placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
 then you'll have both!  

 Do let me know if you want more advice

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>


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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Johnny Alien]

That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie bars? 
They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite 
luxurious.

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on 
> the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run 
> those bars. 
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like 
>> I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
>> personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
>> lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
>> discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
>> movement the kids are into these days.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
>>> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
>>> clutter up the board :p 
>>>
>>> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>>>
>>> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
>>> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>>>
>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>
>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>
>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
>>> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be honest. But eh, seems 
>>> that the wisdom of the riding community suggests sizing up. 
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:56:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>
>>>> Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have nearly 
>>>> the same dimensions as the OP
>>>>
>>>> I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH as 
>>>> I’m between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in 
>>>> particular) I realized what made the bike *feel* small to me. I 
>>>> should’ve sized up to a 55 instead, and similar to Bill have now scooped a 
>>>> 56 hillborne from another list member as it’s the biggest size non step 
>>>> over riv I can fit. 
>>>>
>>>> Roman told me that the 54 Sam would feel bigger as far as 
>>>> standover(mostly due to the 700c wheels) but the bike might feel similar 
>>>> to 
>>>> the Atlantis for stack and the reach is shorter. He actually suggested a 
>>>> 60cm Plat with my seat slammed since I’m 6 ft tall. And I know Grant rides 
>>>> a 59cm Clem with only a slightly taller PBH than I have. 
>>>>
>>>> All that to say, I think I’ll be sizing up henceforth as I like toscos 
>>>> or albatross bars usually and don’t mind the straddle heigh being close!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 
>>>>> 54cm Rambo"
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO. 
>>>>>  My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" person 
>>>>> would 
>>>>> probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave me 
>>>>> any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 60 
>>>>> Ram, 
>>>>> and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted their post 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> it's maybe a thread we should let die.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers 
>>>>> associated with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> different approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use is 
>>>>> pretty 
>>>>> common, and pretty contemporary, and that is Stack and Reach.  I keep my 
>>>>> Stack and Reach numbers in my pocket and go from there.  The numb

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Johnny Alien]

I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like I 
said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
movement the kids are into these days.

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
> clutter up the board :p 
>
> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>
> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa Vaya's 
> standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>
> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>
> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>
> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be honest. But eh, seems 
> that the wisdom of the riding community suggests sizing up. 
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:56:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have nearly the 
>> same dimensions as the OP
>>
>> I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH as I’m 
>> between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in particular) I 
>> realized what made the bike *feel* small to me. I should’ve sized up to 
>> a 55 instead, and similar to Bill have now scooped a 56 hillborne from 
>> another list member as it’s the biggest size non step over riv I can fit. 
>>
>> Roman told me that the 54 Sam would feel bigger as far as 
>> standover(mostly due to the 700c wheels) but the bike might feel similar to 
>> the Atlantis for stack and the reach is shorter. He actually suggested a 
>> 60cm Plat with my seat slammed since I’m 6 ft tall. And I know Grant rides 
>> a 59cm Clem with only a slightly taller PBH than I have. 
>>
>> All that to say, I think I’ll be sizing up henceforth as I like toscos or 
>> albatross bars usually and don’t mind the straddle heigh being close!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm 
>>> Rambo"
>>>
>>> I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO. 
>>>  My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" person would 
>>> probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave me 
>>> any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 60 Ram, 
>>> and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted their post so 
>>> it's maybe a thread we should let die.  
>>>
>>> Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers 
>>> associated with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people have 
>>> different approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use is pretty 
>>> common, and pretty contemporary, and that is Stack and Reach.  I keep my 
>>> Stack and Reach numbers in my pocket and go from there.  The numbers I use 
>>> are 600mm for Stack and 390mm for Reach for a roadish drop bar setup.  I 
>>> have a ton of bikes, and the names of their sizes range from 47 all the way 
>>> to 62, but are all where I want them to be in Stack and Reach.  Looking for 
>>> those numbers the 54 is right there in Stack for 5'10" me, but it's a 
>>> little short in the Reach department so I'd need to run a longer stem with 
>>> drop bars and forget about it for any kind of upright bar setup.  The extra 
>>> reach of the 57 would make an upright bar setup more straightforward, and I 
>>> could slam the stem because the stack is high.  If you have a bike that 
>>> "fits" I think it's a really good idea to figure out the Stack and Reach on 
>>> that bike and use it for comparison.  The OP on this thread said they have 
>>> a Salsa Vaya.  Looking over that geo-chart, I can say for certain I would 
>>> not ride a Salsa Vaya in any size.  None of them gets me in the 
>>> neighborhood of where I'd want to be in Stack and Reach.  I think that's 
>>

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Johnny Alien]

With the way these bikes are designed the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or 
larger than the 54cm Rambo that I owned at the same time. For road riding I 
would not have wanted to go larger. But I also admit that I don't like 
having no standover clearance so thats part of it for me. One of the big 
reasons I like step-over/thru frames. But IMO Riv's already have fairly 
long reach and (obviousl) long wheelbases so moving up for a drop bar setup 
just seems way to stretches out. Honestly I prefer the 50cm Gallop I have 
for road stuff to the 51cm SH I had.

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 5:24:51 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> It's pretty wild the differing opinions people have on upsizing or 
> downsizing based on cockpit choices. I'm with Bill on this, and I think Riv 
> tends to suggest smaller sizes than necessary, maybe because there's still 
> consumer pushback to running shorter stems? Everyone thinks they need a 
> 10cm for optimum handling or something. 
>
> But why would one aim for a 51 Hillborne to use drops and a 54 to use 
> sweptback bars? The reach difference is 6mm! That's less than the 
> difference between the stem you have and the next size up or down. 
>
> Maybe it's better from a consumer happiness standpoint to have customers 
> on a too small bike, as they'll feel more comfortable with the extra 
> standover clearance, and Riv has moved far more upright than even the 
> recent past. When in-between two sizes I'll always go for the largest I can 
> standover (on a roadish bike anyways)
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OOPS! the OP deleted their post.  It's worth pointing out to people that 
>> this Google Group is basically an email activity.  You can delete a post, 
>> but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted.  It's out there.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the 
>>> Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54.  I think I'm between 54 and 57 on 
>>> the Hillborne.  
>>>
>>> My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range.  I 
>>> own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm Bombadil 
>>> which was perfect. 
>>>
>>> When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned 
>>> towards a 54.  I was surprised because that felt like a significant 
>>> downsize.  I disagreed with them and got a 57 and it was terrific, albeit 
>>> with no standover clearance.  If I had to replace my 56 Hillborne with a 
>>> current Hillborne I'd almost definitely get a 57.  
>>>
>>> Does that make me ever more of a weird upsizer than the reputation Riv 
>>> has with people like Johnny?  I'm not sure.  The idea of a 5'11" human on a 
>>> 51cm Hillborne doesn't seem right to me.  
>>>
>>> Is your Salsa Vaya a perfect fit?  do you want to share a photo of your 
>>> setup?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up 
>>>> and size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so 
>>>> if it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play 
>>>> nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I 
>>>> also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter 
>>>> than 
>>>> you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I 
>>>> would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a 
>>>> drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that 
>>>> would make me want to size down to a 51cm.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>> Lex KY
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
>>>>> traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
>>>>> laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops 
>>>>> go 
>>>>> with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the 
>>>>> advice 
>>>>> to call Rivendell but (from

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Johnny Alien]

I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops go 
with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the 
standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the advice 
to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going to 
push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always 
worked for me.

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>
> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with this 
> stuff.
>
> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length I'm 
> guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 54cm 
> Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long stem 
> on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. The 
> drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a longer fit 
> without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the reach is 
> luxurious.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm thinking 
>> I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I don't know 
>> if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my current 
>> bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>>
>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>
>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>
>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Johnny Alien]

I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>>> 
>>>  doesn't 
>>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
 of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
 bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
 word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
 clear the TT..

 I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
> size 
> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
>> numbers 
>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
>> a 
>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
>>> Hillborne. I 
>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>>> 54cm 
>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>> sure 
>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Robert 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
 First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:

- New Albion cranks 46/30
- Paul brake levers
- Tektro brakes
- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
- 9-speed cassette
- Acera derailleur 
- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
- Albatross handlebars 
- Paul thumbies 

 Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis

 Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Johnny Alien]

Love it!!!

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 
> Happy shredding!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Couple more:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>
>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv mixte 
>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help myself. 
>>>
>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using what 
>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake cables.. 
>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a couple 
>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the clamp 
>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim the 
>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats working. 
>>>
>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>
>>> Build notes:
>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>> old ass oury grips
>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>> stock fsa headset
>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Johnny Alien]

I like to think outside the box. Comfortable, nimble, useful..Platypus

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 10:16:21 PM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: R0004896.jpeg]
> I suggest the Atlantis, though I am biased as I have one. I have it on 
> good authority that the last run of them was also the last with a double 
> TT. Moving forward, the Atlantis will have a single TT.
>
> I have racked my bike, unracked it, fendered it, have a BOB trailer for 
> it, commute 150 miles a week on it, climb up huge dirt passes, descend 
> roads faster than I should while in an aero tuck (a little hard given I 
> have a 62 and am 6’6”), and overall just really love it. So versatile, so 
> comfortable, and so pretty.
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:55:08 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Get a Sam with a 3x9 drive.
>> Strong enough to do the riding you want, versatile enough for errands and 
>> light touring, and very comfortable.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Johnny Alien]

That is the stem (FW33) I ultimately chose as well.

I agree the Albatross is a pretty decent bar for doing the forward position 
because it doesn't come back as far as the others but to do it properly you 
have to concede that that one of the positions won't be as ideal. I use the 
loscos and they work very well too. If you set it really far forward to 
account for the sweep back then the forward position is not great to be in 
for long. If you set it to be comfortable in the forward position the 
upright is sometimes not great. The losco and albatross counter that pretty 
well. I never understood the multi position angle that Riv takes but then 
tell you you need a really long stem to counter the sweep. That puts the 
forward position way out there. So yeah if you want to use both get one 
with less sweep and rise/ Thats been what has worked for me.

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:19:05 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> For what it's worth, I tried a Nitto FW33 stem (120mm, too long for her 
> imagine...) and it can be "slammed" in the head tube of this 45cm. I've got 
> all of the spacers on the headset and have not/will not cut the steerer of 
> the fork either. I need to measure the stem quill length.. 
> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-fw30-power-stem-dull.html
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My experience on my Clem is quite the opposite of Garth’s. I do 
>> understand that my situation may be unique but it is what it is. 45 degree 
>> forward simply does not work for me. Bolt upright is the only way I can 
>> achieve a no numb hands position. Going into the wind I will assume a more 
>> forward leaning position but I cannot stay there very long. Numbness is 
>> almost immediately. I ride my Clem for hours with virtually no weight on my 
>> hands. And yes, my saddle is in the perfect vertical & horizontal position 
>> relative to the bottom bracket. I have ridden in this position, Bosco’s 
>> 2”-3” above saddle height, for 2 years & over 7,000 miles. No numb hands.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> An Albatoross is best for being in a forward, say 45d angle in a swept 
>> back style bar. If you use reverse Tektro brake levers, tape the bar up to 
>> and just around the top bend, then put thumbshiters there, that's about a 
>> "racey upright" as one can get using 45d body position as a base. All the 
>> other swept back bars, with regular MTB levers and grips at the ends, is 
>> just all wrong for what I'm referring to as the bars come back too far, 
>> requiring more weight on the arms and hands. When you lean forward, with 
>> proper forward seat placement in relation to the BB so you're using your 
>> legs and core to support yourself(not unlike riding a unicycle), having 
>> your arms extended forward exerts less pressure on the arms and hands. I 
>> think shallow, wide flared drop bars could also work if more hand positions 
>> are desired. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Note when choosing stem (as I see a Faceplater was suggested), the 
>>> smaller sizes have headtubes that don't go very deep. I face this on the 
>>> 50-52 sizes. Those SUPER tall stems that Rivendell sells will not go very 
>>> far in and thus you are forced to have a ton of stem exposed. Couple that 
>>> with a bar like the Bosco and you will be way way way up with no way to get 
>>> it lower. Pick up a stem that does not have the super long lengths. Go 
>>> short even if you have any uprise to it or are planning to use handlebars 
>>> that also have height. 
>>>
>>> The losco bars are my favorite bars and perfect for a racy upright mix. 
>>> Also they are the best looking bars that Riv sells (IMO)
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a 2023 45cm Clem.
>>>>
>>>>  I'm looking at putting her in a somewhat middle between racy and 
>>>> upright. Bosco could work for that I imagine, with the shifters and levers 
>>>> further up and gives her options. 
>>>> Alternatively was thinking Losco could be good, too.  Might have her 
>>>> try the Vegan saddle as well.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:06:06 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Igor,
>>>>>
>>>>> For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for your 
>>>>> friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there is no "objective" 
>&

Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Johnny Alien]

Note when choosing stem (as I see a Faceplater was suggested), the smaller 
sizes have headtubes that don't go very deep. I face this on the 50-52 
sizes. Those SUPER tall stems that Rivendell sells will not go very far in 
and thus you are forced to have a ton of stem exposed. Couple that with a 
bar like the Bosco and you will be way way way up with no way to get it 
lower. Pick up a stem that does not have the super long lengths. Go short 
even if you have any uprise to it or are planning to use handlebars that 
also have height. 

The losco bars are my favorite bars and perfect for a racy upright mix. 
Also they are the best looking bars that Riv sells (IMO)

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> This is a 2023 45cm Clem.
>
>  I'm looking at putting her in a somewhat middle between racy and upright. 
> Bosco could work for that I imagine, with the shifters and levers further 
> up and gives her options. 
> Alternatively was thinking Losco could be good, too.  Might have her try 
> the Vegan saddle as well.
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:06:06 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>> For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for your 
>> friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there is no "objective" right 
>> answer for which bars to use, and it's gonna depend on different factors (I 
>> know I'm not dropping any mind-blowing information, but just to lay the 
>> groundwork for my suggestions). 
>> I'd ask the following questions:
>>
>>- What year Clem is it? The older Clems had shorter top tubes (less 
>>reach) than the newer (2019 and post) models. 
>>- What is the intended use? Tooling around, commuting, touring, 
>>mountain biking? 
>>- How does the rider like to be positioned? Aggressive and racy? 
>>Upright and comfy? 
>>- What is the rider's morphology? Long torso, short legs? Long legs, 
>>short torso? Normal legs, normal torso?
>>- Are there aesthetic considerations? 
>>- Are there cost considerations?
>>
>> For me (an N of 1 - I am 5'8", longer torso with very short legs, for 
>> reference), I currently ride a Clem 45 L (longer reach 2019 model, but 
>> still with 26" wheels before the switch to 27.5") with a 70cm Nitto Tallux 
>> at the minimum insertion and 60cm Tosco bars and I couldn't be happier. My 
>> wife rides a Clem 45 L with Soma Oxford bars and I really like that set up 
>> too, but I find the Oxfords at 54cm (identical to Nitto Albatross) a tad 
>> bit narrow for my taste. I rode my pre-2019 Clem H with a Riv Bullmoose 
>> (67cm) and it was totally great - but I was running that bike single speed 
>> and as a dedicated mountain bike - I don't love the 30° sweep for longer 
>> rides (on longer rides, I want 45-60° sweep). I tried Boscos for a minute 
>> (I think it was the 54cm that came stock on my wife's Clem), but I felt 
>> almost cartoonishly upright and didn't feel connected enough with the bike. 
>>
>> For your rider, at 5'2", I'm guessing you have a newer (post 2019 geo 
>> changes) Clem and it's likely they'll want swept back bars of some sort. I 
>> think the Albatross (or Soma Oxford) are perfect for the Clem  - right 
>> rise, sweep, width, and good looking to boot. The Toscos, like I mentioned, 
>> are great, but I'd opt for the 55cm model probably in your rider's case. 
>> Re: the Boscos, I'm a bit taller than your rider, so maybe Boscos would do 
>> the trick in their case. Lastly, if they don't want a relaxed position, 
>> you've got a billion options of flat or riser bars with minimal sweep, but 
>> I won't bother with recs. 
>>
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> John (outside Fontainebleau)
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 6:36:58 AM UTC+2 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Igor -
>>> I have a couple of Terry women's saddles that are lightly used to sell, 
>>> if you are interested for your lady friend.
>>>
>>> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Cite-X-Gel-Italia
>>>
>>> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Liberator-X
>>>
>>> Contact me off this group for more details and pictures.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>>
 A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is perfect. The 
 extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed than with the 
 Tosco. 
 I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes life so much easier & 
 the 
 older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. But, without the frame 
 & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best regarding stem length. I am 
 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do not know how much 
 shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a stem closer to 70-80? 
 Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, try to get your hands 
 n a few different (cheap) stems to try?
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor  wrote:

 Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Johnny Alien]

Thats a solid deal but sadly for me looks like its a 51 which would be way 
too small.

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 4:44:07 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Not mine and no affiliation, just a shame for me it's not a 56 or 58cm.
> Rivendell Atlantis 2, serial #2 - $1,000 (Santa Cruz)
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-serial/7730132678.html
> [image: 00Q0Q_bDQSLzWSDsP_0CI0pN_1200x900.jpg]
>
> On Friday 22 March 2024 at 09:35:54 UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.
>>
>> No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking 
>> price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!
>>
>> [image: ram.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
 for a 47cm!

 On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love a bargain 
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
> the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
> wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
 racks, and full Campagnolo...

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[RBW] Re: I have questions

[Johnny Alien]

I actually forgot all about that. I had read a large and very nerdy article 
on this recently. The reason why this hasn't taken off is because its not 
really practical or efficient to charge a phone with the dynamo. Most 
phones have software that throttle low level charges like what you would 
get from a dynamo. I have been becoming a big fan of battery lights as 
well. They have so many lighting options and stay charged for a really long 
time. And battery packs are really easy to keep with you if you go longer. 
Easier than all of the wires and drag that a dynamo brings. BUT there is 
something to be said to always 100% having a light read to go if you need 
it.

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 7:55:19 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Let me be a bit of a contrarian on the lighting situation. Is a dyno hub + 
> phone charger worth the hassle?.. I am not sure. 
>
> A dyno hub puts out a nominal 3 Watts. If you ride it for an hour, that's 
> 3 watt-hours worth of electricity. Let's say it gets split between the 
> light and your phone. If you ride continuously for 10 hours, that's about 
> 30 watt-hours. Let's say half is used to power the light, half to power the 
> phone... 
>
> An iPhone 15 Pro has a 3,274 mA-hour / 12.70 watt-hr battery. So, half the 
> energy from the dynamo will charge the phone about once. 
>
> How large of a battery would hold that much electricity? Thanks to modern 
> lithium ion polymer technology, a small power-bank like this one 
> 
>  (about 
> the thickness of the iPhone but fits in the palm of your hand) can recharge 
> that phone ~1.5 times (implying it's got ~19 watt-hours of useful 
> capacity). A slightly larger one 
> 
>  
> (say about the size of the phone in a sturdy case) holds twice as much 
> energy, and even incorporates a charging plug. It's easy to chuck into a 
> bag, charge your phone off of it, use it as a wall plug in a hotel / on the 
> train, etc.  You don't even need to muck around with wiring on the bike or 
> a dyno hub at all. If you forego a dyno-powered light altogether, a battery 
> powered headlight will have 6+ hrs of its own battery life, and can be 
> charged off the portable battery. 
>
> In case you don't want to muck around with wires and connectors and all 
> that. But if someone's gonna do it all for you and anodize it nice colors, 
> then by all means! :-) 
>
> - Max "trying to unplug and plug it back in again" in A2
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 6:36:58 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I have been riding 40mm tires on my custom and 44mm tires on my Quickbeam 
>> and have noticed no difference in performance - only in comfort. I would 
>> imagine 48mm tires would be no worse in performance and slightly more 
>> comfortable.
>>
>> Regarding the light and charging your phone - I have an Edelux II on my 
>> Hubbuhubbuhz. Given that my wife cannot be without her phone, we have a 
>> Sinewave Revolution wired directly to the Edelux II. This may eliminate the 
>> potential of wiring a taillight to the Edelux II - but we use rechargeable 
>> taillights; that's not a problem for us.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 6:10:14 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have had some of the same questions tumbling about in my brain as I 
>>> wait for the last of the parts for my Gravel & Travel Platy. I just got 
>>> back from a warm and delightful weekend of cycling in Philadelphia. I, a 
>>> newly minted Michigander, was happy to return to the shire, and for that, I 
>>> was welcomed with Second Winter. 
>>>
>>> Michigan is over here, doing me dirty. 
>>>
>>> I’m prevailing upon you to humor me and answer my questions, because a 
>>> lot 

[RBW] Re: I have questions

[Johnny Alien]

Depends on the tires too. An overbuilt robust 42 will feel slower than a 
fairly supple 48. So if you are comparing a 48 to a 42 rene Herse tire it 
might feel a bit slower. I like GK and I think they roll pretty smooth. I 
can't remember if they have different "toughness" levels. I think you will 
be happy with them. I would personally for sure use those tires for that 
application.
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 9:58:14 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Those are really nice looking wheels and I, and I'm sure everyone, looks 
> forward to seeing the final build.
>
> I was going to comment briefly about tires, though I've only got a handful 
> of years on large volume tires on the road (before I was strictly a roadie, 
> with 25mm's).  I don't feel a big difference going from 25 to 30, I do feel 
> a difference going up to a 43 (GKSS).  What's interesting is I don't feel a 
> huge difference going from 43 to 55.  In the last few weeks alone I've had 
> a chance to ride all the bikes and wheels/tires I have, and this was my 
> observation about tires as I was thinking about this during and after the 
> rides.  "Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace?"  If you can do 
> this on a 42, comfortably, I think you can do so on a 48 (maybe play with 
> the pressure a bit, to get what works best for speed/comfort balance).  I 
> used the 43's on a ride with my speedy friend a month ago and I kept up, 
> felt pretty comfortable (particularly on descents), but I had to work 
> harder...so I would also recommend a good fuelling strategy for your 2-day 
> event.  Good luck!
>
> Weather :-( I'm just outside Toronto and we're getting second (first?) 
> winter here since Saturday.  I know how you feel.  And the forecast doesn't 
> look great for next 1-2 weeks.  I'm getting out on the 55 tires more, 
> pumping them based on conditions and appreciating I have them and these 
> wider tire bikes, or I would be stuck on the trainer with a road bike 
> (yuck).
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 9:10:14 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have had some of the same questions tumbling about in my brain as I 
>> wait for the last of the parts for my Gravel & Travel Platy. I just got 
>> back from a warm and delightful weekend of cycling in Philadelphia. I, a 
>> newly minted Michigander, was happy to return to the shire, and for that, I 
>> was welcomed with Second Winter. 
>>
>> Michigan is over here, doing me dirty. 
>>
>> I’m prevailing upon you to humor me and answer my questions, because a 
>> lot of you are having spring and flowers and sunshine, so this is the least 
>> you could do!
>>
>> I got the 50 cm Platy to take on trips. Will fit in the van better, will 
>> fit on Amtrak, be easier to shove in elevators, that sort of thing. But the 
>> tires I have on hand are 48 mm Gravel Kings. They are almost new. I’m 
>> considering taking a train to a ride this summer, but that means no Racing 
>> Platypus, only the purple one can fit. Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road 
>> ride pace? I have 42 on all my other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is 
>> a 2 day event, 100 miles total. I’d like to keep the tires if I could, 
>> because they’re new and they are fat enough to also double as gravel tires, 
>> should I decide to do a gravel ride again. But I do more road rides than 
>> anything else, and if those 48s will cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. 
>> What’s the consensus?
>>
>> Basket straps. I have the Nitto Basket Rack and even though I’ve disliked 
>> it in the past, I figure it’s pretty and I already own it and I might need 
>> a front rack for travel. But do I really have to put the ugly strap from 
>> bar to basket? Is the Nitto Basket Rack safer than the Mark’s Rack? I know 
>> Sergio was thrown when his Mark’s Rack loosened and hit the front tire and 
>> he’s missing significant chunks of front teeth! What is everyone doing 
>> about their front racks?
>>
>> Lights. I have an Edelux light. It’s not the right color for this build, 
>> but it’s perfectly good. But sometimes I think, “wouldn’t it be nice to 
>> have a light that would charge your phone?” The Sinewave Beacon 2 will do 
>> just that, but it sounds like it’s not a great road light. What are people 
>> using to charge phones on long rides away from home?
>>
>> I ordered my wheels today. This, because J at the Velocity booth in 
>> Philly talked me into them when he heard about the theme of my build. 
>> Here’s a sneak peek.
>>
>> And thanks for helping me out here! It’s good to hear people’s 
>> experiences and points of view!
>> Leah
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Box Two Mini-V Brakes & Tektro Levers

[Johnny Alien]

Sold

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 1:23:54 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> On hold pending payment. Thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I got these Box Two mini V brakes to use on my Protogallop vs full V. I 
>> was just interested in how they worked and they worked great. I switched up 
>> to Mini Motos. Just because I wanted Paul parts. What makes the Box Two 
>> nice is 1. The look pretty nice 2. They are lightweight 3. They offer the 
>> most tire clearance on a mini-V next to the Paul brakes. I was able to get 
>> Ultrdynamico Cavas under it with just enough spare room. Anyway I went for 
>> the blink so I will pass these along at a good price to someone that wants 
>> to give mini-V brakes a shot. These are black and the brake pads are in 
>> great usable condition. I am going to include some Tektro 314 brake levers. 
>> They are cool because they allow for both short and long pull setup. Black 
>> with silver arms. They look like every Tektro brake lever out there. They 
>> work great but there is some wear on the black parts. Not a lot but enough 
>> that I am just going to throw them in for free (since mini-V's require 
>> short pull and most upright levers are longI think). $30 shipped gets 
>> all of it.
>>
>> https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126289808
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Box Two Mini-V Brakes & Tektro Levers

[Johnny Alien]

On hold pending payment. Thanks!

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I got these Box Two mini V brakes to use on my Protogallop vs full V. I 
> was just interested in how they worked and they worked great. I switched up 
> to Mini Motos. Just because I wanted Paul parts. What makes the Box Two 
> nice is 1. The look pretty nice 2. They are lightweight 3. They offer the 
> most tire clearance on a mini-V next to the Paul brakes. I was able to get 
> Ultrdynamico Cavas under it with just enough spare room. Anyway I went for 
> the blink so I will pass these along at a good price to someone that wants 
> to give mini-V brakes a shot. These are black and the brake pads are in 
> great usable condition. I am going to include some Tektro 314 brake levers. 
> They are cool because they allow for both short and long pull setup. Black 
> with silver arms. They look like every Tektro brake lever out there. They 
> work great but there is some wear on the black parts. Not a lot but enough 
> that I am just going to throw them in for free (since mini-V's require 
> short pull and most upright levers are longI think). $30 shipped gets 
> all of it.
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126289808
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[RBW] FS: Box Two Mini-V Brakes & Tektro Levers

[Johnny Alien]

I got these Box Two mini V brakes to use on my Protogallop vs full V. I was 
just interested in how they worked and they worked great. I switched up to 
Mini Motos. Just because I wanted Paul parts. What makes the Box Two nice 
is 1. The look pretty nice 2. They are lightweight 3. They offer the most 
tire clearance on a mini-V next to the Paul brakes. I was able to get 
Ultrdynamico Cavas under it with just enough spare room. Anyway I went for 
the blink so I will pass these along at a good price to someone that wants 
to give mini-V brakes a shot. These are black and the brake pads are in 
great usable condition. I am going to include some Tektro 314 brake levers. 
They are cool because they allow for both short and long pull setup. Black 
with silver arms. They look like every Tektro brake lever out there. They 
work great but there is some wear on the black parts. Not a lot but enough 
that I am just going to throw them in for free (since mini-V's require 
short pull and most upright levers are longI think). $30 shipped gets 
all of it.

https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126289808

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[Johnny Alien]

I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell fan 
base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all. Because 
of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to market the 
used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that I can test 
the theory (because they successfully release it)

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time I 
> am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the cassette 
> I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur. 
>
> Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.
>
> The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in introducing a 
> friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action push the bike 
> to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I forget too..)
>
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:
>
>> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few 
>> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off 
>> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're 
>> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a 
>> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's 
>> where you start spending $200 or more. 
>> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed 
>> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it wouldn't 
>> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a rebuild 
>> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>>
>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 
>>> ideally.
>>>
>>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs that 
>>> one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there 
>>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
>>> replacements are available?
>>>
>>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 
>>> around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the 
>>> prices rise very quickly! 
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
>>> Chintan
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[Johnny Alien]

Honestly I gave up on them because the costs are way over what a very nice 
non-RR sells for. Its an interesting feature and I understand why people 
like it but at the end of the day I personally don't think the difference 
is life changing enough to pay the premium. Shimano really doesn't make any 
junk at any price point though so I think any of them will work. Some are 
more attractive than others. If Rivendell eventually comes out with their 
RR RD I will likely pick it up to support them. They have dropped a lot of 
time and money into that project.

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 1:11:47 PM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> Any are good.  I am assuming you are using a cassette with the standard 
> 34t or 36t top gear.   Any those you list will do the job adequately. .
>
> vtw
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 10:01 AM chintan jadwani  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 ideally.
>>
>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs that 
>> one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there 
>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
>> replacements are available?
>>
>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 around 
>> that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the prices rise 
>> very quickly! 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
>> Chintan
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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not sure I would agree that they "force indexing". I've used them on my 
Clem for awhile now and while its weird it works with no issues. At least I 
personally have not had issues and it sounds like Grant has been issue free 
with more miles than me.

I do agree that Riv's details do make it more confusing then it needs to 
be. Ignore the clicks would be a much better description. My tech even kept 
telling me how weird the index shifters were. I was like...they are 
friction not index and he was like...no those index. :)

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:05:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Additionally, if you're riding in the small/inner ring and smallest 2-3 
> cogs, don't !  Even the middle isn't optimal with a 11t/12t/13t, but 
> without an outer ring, you have no other option. 
>
> Yeah I do remember when those Sunrace came out the confusing description 
> of them, and it's still clear as mud on the Riv website. If I could feel 
> the mechanism I'd understand where they're coming from, but I'm not buying 
> any to find out ! They could have just said "the clicks are not be 
> associated with a given gear shift". Or was it the shifters even had 
> indentations in the mechanism, making the necessary minute adjustments 
> frustrating ? (for users like Joe or others who have used them ). 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:42:10 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Those SunRace shifters force indexing that doesn't line up with all the 
>> cogs. Technically you can trim them to work as a friction shifter but it'll 
>> drive you crazy, you need Silver thumbies. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>>> complete Clem.
>>>
>>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>>> force on the first two gears.
>>>
>>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due 
>>> to the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>>
>>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>>
>>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>>> stripped cogs. 
>>>
>>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>>> situation? Thank you!
>>>
>>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Johnny Alien]

More dog photos please.

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Do did anyone get this rack and love it? I got a lot of suggestions about 
> how to stop wheel flop but I didn’t read a lot of reviews of this rack. 
> Anyone else?
> 
> I like the Velcro strap idea because it’s easy to take it off me and slap 
> it on the bike. I also think I just have to suffer the annoyance of the 
> front rack one *one* bike. I used to love my Nitto Big Front Rack from my 
> dog carrying days seen here: 
>
> [image: IMG_0488.PNG]
>
> [image: IMG_0486.PNG]
>
> I’m sure I had wheel flop. Did I not notice? Anyway, could one GET a 
> bigger basket? No. And I only had that giant rack so I could take that dog 
> along because he was such a nag. 
>
> Ok, I’ll just put the rack on because I have it and it’s pretty and it’s 
> useful. And then I’ll change my mind all over again and mess up my dyno 
> wiring and come here crying about it. This is the way.
> Leah
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The best parking brake, in my opinion, is the sturdy velcro leg band off 
> my pants leg.  I have it, and don't need it on my leg, since I'm parking my 
> bike.  When I take off the parking brake it reminds me to put my leg band 
> back on :). 
>
> For steer-stopping, I keep a longer velcro strap connected to each of my 
> two tandems (one HubbuHubbuH, one beater tandem).  When I park the tandem, 
> I route the velcro strap around the down tube and the front wheel and pull 
> it tight.  Now I can lean the machine against the wall or pole or fence and 
> it stays a single rigid object, and prevents the front wheel turning.  It's 
> a good system for that task.  If "parking flop" is the entirety of the 
> problem, that's a $10 solution to "parking flop".  If "riding flop" or 
> "steering flop" is part/all of the problem, a strap won't help you.  
>
> I bought some Stout 650B tires, and strangely each tire came with this 
> curiously nice long velcro strap.  It was too nice to toss, so I looked for 
> a good reason to use it.  It's ~twice as long as a leg band.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
>> Orange steering damper.
>>
>> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on 
>> the downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
>> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
>> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
>> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>>
>> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
>> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
>> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>>
>> Michael
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Tom,
>>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>>
 kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
 few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
 anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
 problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even 
 offered 
 to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
 has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
 beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd 
 recommend 
 it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
 good.


 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think 
> it looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy 
> and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build 
> for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as 

[RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Johnny Alien]

The original Clem used 26" on the smallest size. I don't ride a frame that 
small but I liked that the wheel size changed with every size. Part of me 
still wants a Heron or XO or something with a 26" wheel. Its a small part 
though.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 8:20:27 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?"
>
> Clients not ordering them.  That's what's stopping them.  A frame builder 
> will likely build you one if you order it!
>
> BL in EC
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners 
>> out there-
>> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
>> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
>> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
>> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>>
>> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>>
>> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>>
>> Best,
>> IY
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of replaceing the clem with the gus. Thoughts?

[Johnny Alien]

"Although I wouldnt say Susie is a lateral move personally"

To clarify I just meant the type of riding they covered. Since the Susie is 
the less stout of the two models (Susie/Gus) I would put it on similar 
ground as the Clem as far as what riding its aimed at. Not trying to imply 
the ride would be exactly the same.

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:24:54 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, my Clem does the same. I’ve tried a few loaded setups and balanced 
> front / rear seems best. There is wheel flop aplenty if I load up the 
> front. But, it really does not bother me. Gus is less sensitive to loading 
> for sure.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
> One thing I noticed on my Clem was with a heavy load on the rear, the 
> tail wagged a little much for me. Due to the low step through design. I’d 
> imagine with the Gus’ top tube being higher, the frame most likely wouldn’t 
> flex as much. I noticed your rear rack on your Clem and thought I’d point 
> that out. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said that wrong. What I meant to say is that Susie & Gus ride the same 
>> or at least very similarly. Riv claims they ride the same. I rode a Susie 
>> briefly - it felt the same as my Gus.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> When I measured mine (a while ago) the bottom bracket on my 57(large) 
>> Gus was a full 2”! higher than on my 52 Clem. This single dimension makes 
>> these bikes quite different in my opinion. I love both bikes but use Gus 
>> for trail/MTB duties almost exclusively. The Clem is my bike for pretty 
>> much everything else. Having both I simply could not choose one to keep. 
>> Sophie’s Choice. I thought but cannot claim I know that Gus & Susie are 
>> more or less the same.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> A Susie would be a pretty lateral move from a Clem (by description and 
>> such) where as a Gus would be more stout. If the Clem covers the type of 
>> riding you like than the main difference would be style/visuals IMO. Which 
>> is 100% as good a reason as any other to swap frames. I love my Clem and am 
>> often tempted by the beauty of the Susie/Gus.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 12:34:49 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think 
>>> are the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? 
>>> Ultimately, which would you choose to keep?
>>>
>>> FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any 
>>> comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> IY
>>> [image: IMG_8169.JPG]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking of replaceing the clem with the gus. Thoughts?

[Johnny Alien]

A Susie would be a pretty lateral move from a Clem (by description and 
such) where as a Gus would be more stout. If the Clem covers the type of 
riding you like than the main difference would be style/visuals IMO. Which 
is 100% as good a reason as any other to swap frames. I love my Clem and am 
often tempted by the beauty of the Susie/Gus.

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 12:34:49 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think are 
> the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? Ultimately, 
> which would you choose to keep?
>
> FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any 
> comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. 
>
> Thanks,
> IY
> [image: IMG_8169.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Johnny Alien]

For me personally I don't see the need for the dyno hubs. USB lights 
generally have more available options, are lighter, are brighter, and don't 
require a special setup (hub/wiring/etc). I understand and appreciate the 
"I don't want to charge anything" view but the sacrifice is extra weight 
and drag and with the length of time you can get off of one charge I don't 
see it as an issue. I respect that I am in the minority with that opinion. 
:)

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I think the real use case for using a dynohub while bikepacking is to keep 
> USB accessories topped up. Yes yes, one should try to unplug while in the 
> wilderness etc., but being able to access .gpx files or use routefinding 
> apps like Ride With GPS is clearly synergistic with the traditional 
> map/compass/cue sheets.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 5, 2024, at 9:06 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *I don't backpack, so a dynamo is unnecessary.*
>
> Although I am certainly glad to have it, the bike I use the most for 
> bikepacking is probably the one I use my dynamo light on the least. 
> Probably because on multi-day trips, I rarely find myself biking through 
> the darkness for long periods of time. Typically, I am riding most of the 
> daytime, and usually am at camp (or wherever) well before the sun sets. I 
> find a dynamo setup to be incredibly practical for those bikes you hop on 
> the most, for anything and everything; commuting or traveling on streets 
> with traffic, riding around with friends at night, etc.
>
> Ok, sorry to go off-topic!
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:37:44 AM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Rear Cliffhanger on my Gus is built with this Bitex hub. It’s been very 
>> good for the first 2k miles.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
>> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
>> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
>>> the bike) are ready!
>>>
>>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>>>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>>>>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>>>>>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
>>>>>> Velocity Dyads.
>>>>>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>>>>>> and reasonably cheap.
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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Johnny Alien]

I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
quality and price but with zero hyper around them.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the 
> bike) are ready!
>
> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
 Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
 Dyads.
 For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
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Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

[Johnny Alien]

My PBH generally puts me in the middle of sizes. Either at the top of one 
range or bottom of the net. For a step thru/general use bike I would go 
with the size up and for a road setup or diamond frame model I would size 
down. That has always worked for me. I understand that Rivendell will 
sometimes suggest massively sizing up on step thru frames but I have never 
been comfortable that way and also just don't like the look of a slammed 
stem and seatpost.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 3:41:09 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow 
> bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of 
> rise?
>
> In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with 
> or below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) 
> for a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a 
> lot of sweepback, things could be different.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd 
>> pick the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already 
>> crazy long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like 
>> riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 
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Re: [RBW] I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Johnny Alien]

For what you want it for and with price not factored in I would also vote 
for the platy. I think it will do everything the AHH can do but also give 
you the luxury of the step thru.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:50:43 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I would get the Sam for the effective brakes. I've never had a good 
> experience with long reach sidepulls. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Polipop  wrote:
>
>> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
>> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
>> import tax.
>>
>> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will 
>> go for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>>
>> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
>> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
>> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
>> can get one now.
>>
>> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
>> Clem Smith Jr..
>>
>> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
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Re: [RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Johnny Alien]

As someone that works in the tech field, I can tell you that Analog is 
using a third party commerce platform called Shopify. This is the exact 
same platform that Rivendell uses. If your currency setting gets changed on 
another site that uses Shopify its possible it could maintain that 
accidental preference through other sites. I'm not saying thats what 
happened but it CAN happen. For me, all sites using Shopify were defaulting 
to a payment method that I used once and I was unable to find an easy way 
to switch it back. It took a bit of googling. That is the fault of that 
platform not the shop. One could argue that the shop is responsible for the 
platform they choose (which is true) but there are few services out there 
and small bike shops aren't going to pay to employ a web tech to handle 
such things. What you are describing is a bad user experience NOT anything 
misleading that Analog is doing.

Agree on the Zephyr

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Nick, I believe your currency setting on the Analog website is set to 
> Australian dollars
>
>  Ok, that explains it. Though it's rather misleading for a US website that 
> I've not previously visited to automatically show me the price not in $US 
> with no indication of whose dollars unless I scroll to the bottom of the 
> page. They're doing themselves a disservice, as if I'd been wanting to 
> purchase those cranks, I would have skipped them as having too high a 
> price. Every other website I have used that allows me to change currency 
> denomination from the default for the country it's based in requires me to 
> make an explicit choice.
>
> I do have a pair of those Carmina cranks on a bike, and they are nice, 
> though I think the TA Zephyr cranks on our tandem are even nicer. 
> Unfortunately the Zephyr are no longer in production.
>
> Nick Payne 
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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Johnny Alien]

Weird. Analog's price shows as $445 for me. All configurations.

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:20:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Saturday 10 February 2024 at 12:20:24 am UTC+11 Andy Beichler wrote:
>
> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>
>
>  The link to Analog Cycles in the original post shows me a price of $693 
> for the complete cranks. The prices from Peter White, when added up, come 
> to about $440.
> [image: 103673.png]
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[RBW] Re: trying to find an obscure former riv product

[Johnny Alien]

https://aroundthecycle.com/products/new-cane-creek-ergo-tandem-stoker-dummy-lever-black-sold-as-a-pair

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:55:20 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Like in these illustrations?
>
> https://web.stanford.edu/~dru/moustache.html
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:54:06 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly those aren't correct. Are you talking about the 
>> road brake levers but without the levers?
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:32:17 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> These?
>>>
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/dia-compe-dc138-hand-rest-2746#attr=4939
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 10:20:13 AM UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone remember those "false" hoods Riv used to sell? I think it 
>>>> was Riv at least. Anyway I'm looking for a similar solution but cant find 
>>>> anything. Solutions??
>>>>
>>>> THanks!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul Canti Levers & Mini Moto Brakes

[Johnny Alien]

Bill (ever the gentleman) has helped me out with the levers. I am still on 
the hunt for the minimoto brakes.

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[RBW] Re: trying to find an obscure former riv product

[Johnny Alien]

Like in these illustrations?

https://web.stanford.edu/~dru/moustache.html

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:54:06 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If I remember correctly those aren't correct. Are you talking about the 
> road brake levers but without the levers?
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:32:17 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> These?
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/dia-compe-dc138-hand-rest-2746#attr=4939
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 10:20:13 AM UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone remember those "false" hoods Riv used to sell? I think it 
>>> was Riv at least. Anyway I'm looking for a similar solution but cant find 
>>> anything. Solutions??
>>>
>>> THanks!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: trying to find an obscure former riv product

[Johnny Alien]

If I remember correctly those aren't correct. Are you talking about the 
road brake levers but without the levers?

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:32:17 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> These?
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/dia-compe-dc138-hand-rest-2746#attr=4939
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 10:20:13 AM UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Does anyone remember those "false" hoods Riv used to sell? I think it was 
>> Riv at least. Anyway I'm looking for a similar solution but cant find 
>> anything. Solutions??
>>
>> THanks!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Johnny Alien]

I added up the exact parts Analog uses from the PW site and it came out $5 
more. Analog does all of the assembly as well which is not a huge deal but 
even small bits of time are worth something. So Analog has the better deal 
by a tiny amount.

I put a NOS TA Zephyr on my Proto-Gallop. Such a beautiful, lightweight,  
and well made crank. It was replaced by TA with the Carmina which is 
equally nice but I preferred the Zephyr. So I recommend that product.



On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with the 
> market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good value 
> for an excellent product.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:
>
>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
>>> crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set 
>>> you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog 
>>> Cycles price...
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 54 cm Roadini

[Johnny Alien]

I agree. With the sloping top tube a 50cm frame fits me similar to a 54cm 
frame with traditional geometry (like a Rambouillet or Saluki...both of 
which I have owned). A 54 will be something similar to a 58. For road 
riding you will have a tough time upsizing and getting a classic fit. One 
of the reasons that Riv loves step over/step thru/etc is because they love 
to size people up and that allows it to be easier but still that wouldn't 
be the way to go if you want a road setup. If I wanted a road frame and I 
absolutely did not want to get on a 50 then I would suggest waiting until 
the Charlie Gallop comes out because the step thru design will allow that 
easier. But even then it would be tough to get a good drop bar setup by 
going larger like that.

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 10:44:22 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> HI Doug,
>
> I would really reconsider Will's advice.. In my experience, Riv bikes ride 
> big.. the Bleriot Grant put me on back in the day always felt too large and 
> the AHH I got from my Dad doesn't feel any too large (with drop bars) for 
> me.. I say that as it should have been sized for my Dad and he was a good 
> 2" shorter than me.. at 5'9" (31" PBH and 68cm seat height normally), I 
> wouldn't consider anything larger than a 50cm and I don't think that will 
> feel small by any means.. 
>
> BTW- anyone have a 50cm Roadini they want to move on? :) 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:05:25 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Will from Rivendell would recommend a 50 for you as he did for me. I'm 
>> 5'10" (almost) with an 83 PBH. My saddle height is 71.5 cm. But, I'm still 
>> thinking I would prefer a 54.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link, I saw that one as well, unfortunately too big.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 I was just thinking I had seen one recently but it’s a 57. Nonetheless 
 here’s the link:

 [image: 418748400_7019085838173016_3719984432333502610_n.jpg]

 Rivendell Leo Roadini 
 
 facebook.com 
 

 


 On Feb 1, 2024, at 13:30, Doug H.  wrote:

 Judd,

 I was in the same boat recently, actually still am. Can I ask what your 
 height and PBH is for reference?
 Doug

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Judd Levy wrote:

> Hello fine folks 
>
> I am looking for a 54cm Roadini, no preferences for year or color. 
>  Prefer complete but open to frame as well, thanks.
>
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[RBW] WTB: Paul Canti Levers & Mini Moto Brakes

[Johnny Alien]

Looking for exactly whats in the subject. I don't really care too much 
about color just tell me what you got! Thanks

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Leah’s Stuff

[Johnny Alien]

I find that pedals like that look wicked but are not a hazard at all. At 
least I have never had any issues like I would with some MKS pedals (my 
bear traps are great looking but deadly). I haven't tried those specific 
pedals but they are similar to the Stamp pedals I love and I can't 
recommend them enough. Super grippy.

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 11:27:10 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Pam -
> On my Clem I have the Lambda/ Monarch pedals with pedal extensions, all of 
> which have pedal spikes. For me to protect my shins and my rain pants, I 
> bought these:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Neoprene-Leg-Gaiters-Protection-Windproof/dp/B00YHPGHGU/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=leg+guards=1707193415=8-7
>
> I highly recommend them. I have had them for five months now. They work 
> very well in protecting both my shins and pants.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 7:19:56 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Tempted on the pedals but those pins would eat my shins.
>>
>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First up, the offerings:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Now, onto the product descriptions:
>>>
>>> 1. Microshift shifters: I love these. Love the red. They are sold out on 
>>> Riv’s website. Originally $60, you pay $40, plus shipping.
>>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 2. You can call it a crank/chainring but I call it my Shark Teeth. Buy 
>>> my Shark Teeth! Riv sells these for $280. You can have this one for 
>>> $180, plus shipping.
>>> [image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Brake Levers: Shimano DXR MX70: MSRP: $74, pay $50, plus shipping
>>> [image: image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 4. Velo Orange Levers:
>>> These have a gentle pink hue. They used to be anodized a rich raspberry 
>>> but the sun faded them. If you want a little color but not a lot, these are 
>>> a nice hint of pink. They are feather-light.  Originally $85, yours for 
>>> $55, plus shipping.
>>>
>>> [image: image9.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 5. Brooks B67: This was mounted only a brief time and got maybe 50 miles 
>>> of riding. It looks pretty much mint. Retails for $170; yours for $125, 
>>> plus shipping.
>>> [image: image6.jpeg][image: image7.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 6. Deity Deftrap Pedals: These are just the best pedals. Inexpensive, so 
>>> comfortable and I like the pop of color they give a bike, esp a blue bike. 
>>> These retail for $58, but you can have them for $25, plus shipping.
>>> [image: image8.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 7. V Brakes: Riv lists them for $20, but for you: FREE! Just pay the 
>>> shipping.
>>> [image: image10.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Thanks for shopping at my store. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have my Purple Pocket Platy frame here, waiting for its very unique 
>>> parts to arrive. This bike was supposed to get parts I already own, but the 
>>> vision has evolved. It went from a fun bike with some pops of color 
>>> to….well, full 1980s My Little Pony. Remember when you were a little girl 
>>> (ok, mostly the RivSisters will feel me here), and you played dress up, and 
>>> there was a stash of princess dresses AND jewelry AND shoes AND tiaras AND 
>>> wands? All for the taking? And there was no wrong answer so you WORE IT 
>>> ALL? This bike is a version of that. So, what was a simple idea has become 
>>> a complex idea, and it bore out in the purchasing of custom parts with lots 
>>> of wild anodizing. You’ll have to see it to believe it. But you’ll wait 
>>> another 6 weeks, because I’m pretty sure that’s how long it will take for 
>>> them to arrive. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Never one to have things in a “parts bin” I want to move along these 
>>> treasures. Photos and descriptions coming in second post.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking,
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Johnny Alien]

I am confused and its probably just that I am not the market for a bike 
like this. I feel like once you decide you want a few gears its easier to 
do a 1x7 for limited gears than 3x1. And big jumps on the front will be 
fidgity anyway. Understanding that the idea is to stick in one gear most of 
the time but I still don't see the value. Either you want a 1x or you want 
a few options and if you want a few options 7 is theoretically better than 
3.

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:37:14 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> While im at it: 
>
> Seat stays:
> QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
> "spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
> saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
> the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
> the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
> strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
> also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
> welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.
>
> Paint:
> QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
> least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
> Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
> highlights.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
>> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
>> following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
>> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
>> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
>> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
>> drivetrains.  
>>
>> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that 
>> take truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new 
>> Suntour group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm 
>> OLN.
>>
>> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer 
>> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between 
>> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 
>>
>> Size range:
>> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used 
>> in the earlier years.  The 
>> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that 
>> there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple One was a geometic 
>> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really 
>> small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it 
>> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to 
>> have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing 
>> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe:  sloped top tubes 
>> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow 
>> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more 
>> riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and 
>> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to 
>> sell.
>>
>> Lugs:  
>> All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
>> previously only used on customs.  
>>
>> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
>> First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the 
>> tight spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of 
>> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  
>> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect 
>> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire 
>> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is 
>> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, 
>> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.
>>
>> Brakes:
>> QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
>> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.
>>
>> Chainstays;
>> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
>> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.
>>
>> Dropouts:
>> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
>> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
>> the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes 
>> by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would 
>> change the effecive chainstay length.  It could accommodate an 8 tooth 
>> total range.  Frank had similar sloped slots, but used a fancy investment 
>> cast dropout.  Roaduno has an investment-cast dropout too, but the slot is 
>> horizontal and, of course, has the hanger.
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R559 brakes, Shimano 105 RD, Fabric Scoop Pro Radius Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

Still have the saddle and RD. Happy to entertain offers. Would just like to 
move them along.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 1:26:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The brakes are claimed.
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am still trying to reduce my stockpile pf parts. 
>>
>> 1. Tektro R559 long reach caliper brakes. These are new but out of a 
>> package which is how Rivendell sells them for some reason. Also the logo on 
>> one is light gray on one and black on the other. I don't second guess what 
>> Rivendell sells me. Allen head version. *$50 shipped*
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-sidepull-tektro-r559-allen
>>
>> 2. Shimano short cage rear derailler. 105 in a sleek matte silver color. 
>> I got this for a roadini so it would be great for a road setup. Light and 
>> attractive. Here is a page that gives you all of the details. I bought it 
>> new but there seems to be some small marks from storage. Nothing that can 
>> be seen without inspecting it closely. *$30 shipped*
>>
>>
>> https://www.thebikesmiths.com/products/shimano-rd5701?variant=39726174634144
>>
>> 3. Fabric Pro Radius Saddle. These are high high high on my recommend 
>> list. I am moving this along because my stash of Fabric saddles exceeds 
>> what I will need to use for a long time. My two favorite saddles are the 
>> Fabric Scoop and the Fizik Aliante. But the Fizik is a different style now 
>> so these win out. They are comfortable, great for almost all riding styles, 
>> non-leather (huge plus for an animal lover such as myself) and silly light. 
>> Just under 200 grams. Its carbon but don't let Grant convince you these 
>> aren't great.  Its in really good shape. I am not sure if this one was ever 
>> mounted or used. If it was it was low miles. *$50 shipped*
>>
>> https://fabric.cc/products/saddles/scoop-pro-radius-142mm-saddle/
>>
>> [image: PXL_20240122_200108969.jpg][image: PXL_20240122_200204824.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA Susie Longbolts 59 available

[Johnny Alien]

Wow! I wish it was my size.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:

> It was on Hope’s Instagram, and for a mostly complete build. Screengrab 
> attached.
>
> I’ve already got a Susie otherwise I’d be very tempted to buy this one!
>
> -Danny
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Unless I am mistaken the $2,500.00 is a deposit towards a custom build? 
>> However, I suspect Jarrod is also open to selling the frame/fork separately 
>> & possibly @ a discount.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2024, at 8:46 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> Just saw a post from Hope: $2,500 - they can box and ship.
>>
>>
>> Someone should snag this amazing deal ASAP.
>>
>> I really cannot buy another bike, otherwise I'd be all over it... this is 
>> one of the last Susie's of that batch which I imagine will be coveted in 
>> the future by lighter riders. My wife has a small one and loves it.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> He keeps saying stuff is on sale but not on the website yet. I think he 
>>> was offering everything to locals first. In his most recent Instagram from 
>>> this morning he indicates website will be updated soon. In that post he 
>>> suggests contacting him directly to “make a deal”. I suspect all of this is 
>>> a bit overwhelming for him. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Very sad that he is closing.  I got to meet him this summer at the 
>>> Keystone Bicycle (Philadelphia) bike swap and saw the Suzie.  Gorgeous!  He 
>>> seems like a decent guy.
>>>
>>> Much of his stock is on sale, but in a prior IG post he said everything 
>>> but Rivendell (and another brand), but it's possible he changed his mind on 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As of early this morning. Hope Cyclery from Johnstown, PA is sadly 
 closing. Jarrod still has this Susie frameset available at (I think) 30% 
 off. The sale price is not actually visible on the website yet but he made 
 an announcement on Instagram. Someone is going to SCORE!
 If it where a 56 I might snag it even though I already have a Gus - 
 love the dark gold!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R559 brakes, Shimano 105 RD, Fabric Scoop Pro Radius Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

The brakes are claimed.

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am still trying to reduce my stockpile pf parts. 
>
> 1. Tektro R559 long reach caliper brakes. These are new but out of a 
> package which is how Rivendell sells them for some reason. Also the logo on 
> one is light gray on one and black on the other. I don't second guess what 
> Rivendell sells me. Allen head version. *$50 shipped*
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-sidepull-tektro-r559-allen
>
> 2. Shimano short cage rear derailler. 105 in a sleek matte silver color. I 
> got this for a roadini so it would be great for a road setup. Light and 
> attractive. Here is a page that gives you all of the details. I bought it 
> new but there seems to be some small marks from storage. Nothing that can 
> be seen without inspecting it closely. *$30 shipped*
>
>
> https://www.thebikesmiths.com/products/shimano-rd5701?variant=39726174634144
>
> 3. Fabric Pro Radius Saddle. These are high high high on my recommend 
> list. I am moving this along because my stash of Fabric saddles exceeds 
> what I will need to use for a long time. My two favorite saddles are the 
> Fabric Scoop and the Fizik Aliante. But the Fizik is a different style now 
> so these win out. They are comfortable, great for almost all riding styles, 
> non-leather (huge plus for an animal lover such as myself) and silly light. 
> Just under 200 grams. Its carbon but don't let Grant convince you these 
> aren't great.  Its in really good shape. I am not sure if this one was ever 
> mounted or used. If it was it was low miles. *$50 shipped*
>
> https://fabric.cc/products/saddles/scoop-pro-radius-142mm-saddle/
>
> [image: PXL_20240122_200108969.jpg][image: PXL_20240122_200204824.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225 - I have a pair to sell also!

[Johnny Alien]

Based on my experience with mini-v brakes and knowing the specs of the 
mini-motos I would say a heavy MAYBE on 48's. Without seeing it for sure I 
would probably put a max on 45's. I am actually pretty shocked to hear that 
45's with fenders made it even with the pinching.

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 12:31:02 PM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:

> I feel like yes.  The issue for them was that they grabbed the outer sides 
> of the fenders, which were several centimeters higher than the tires 
> themselves.  But some 48s may be really 48s with knobbier and some may be 
> closer to 45s.  My experience was with 45 plus fenders and the fenders 
> needed to bend in because the higher part of the arms hit them.
>
> Others may be able to weigh in.
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Do we think these might clear 48s without fenders then, or a bridge too 
>> far?
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
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>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 8:26 AM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mine are the black version.  They work great and I did find that once 
>> dialed in, which did take some time, they were great with a nice linear 
>> response.  However, can't use them on my Platy with 45mm tires AND SKS 
>> fenders.  Well, I can, but then the fenders bend every time I brake.
>>
>>
>> Same price for the pair - $225 shipped in US.
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Johnny Alien]

Does the raspberry Platy still have a dyno hub? If so that would be a big 
gain as far as weight loss and lessening drag. Otherwise you have it set up 
fairly light from what I remember about your posts. Paul components will 
sure help shave some grams.

When weight is brought up the first thing Grant would say is take weight 
off the engine. Well I just took a massive amount of weight off the engine 
so I feel that I am now free and clear to be a weight weenie about the 
bike. :)

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Johnny Alien]

For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear because 
people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push through if 
its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now its 
shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy to 
have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO is 
saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
works.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that when 
> I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard to stay 
> upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, I find 
> it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something we used 
> to call a “24-inch gear”).
>
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> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
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> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked back.  
> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift.  
>
> 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on XT 
>> 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I rarely 
>> use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just when riding 
>> with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little ridiculous, 
>> with the front der way up in the air but so far its working out just fine.
>>
>>
>> Steven Sweedler
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> VO makes a good case for triples:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1
>>>
>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, the 
>>> emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find 
>>> themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating as a 1x system with 
>>> added flexibility to adapt to different terrain.
>>>
>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and high ranges 
>>> available is the key, I think. I know that, even with 10 or 11 in back, I'd 
>>> not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, very wide range subcompact 2X) 
>>> would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for steep rolling offroad 
>>> terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when I swapped out a 3X7 
>>> for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. For road use including heavy loads and 
>>> steep hills the 2X9 was easier to use and provided sufficient range with 
>>> close cruising steps, but I did miss the middle-ring range between about 
>>> 65" and 35" which comes with the middle ring on a 46/36/24 triple.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats to you and your wife! Thats a killer color too! We shall all 
demand photos when it arrives.

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:04:02 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have Rivets! I would love to try the Loveland but only have the Sonora. 
> It’s really great. Mount it level. For some reason the Brooks need a little 
> nose-up, but the Rivets like to be flat.
> Leah
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 7:54 PM, SeanMac  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone.  Wanted to take a moment to close the loop on this 
> conversation.  Earlier today, after much discussion, my wife and I ordered 
> a Platypus!  She snagged a web special - 50 cm in Sergio Green with a 
> triple crank and a Billie Bar.  She [we] nearly pulled the trigger on a 
> purple complete.  However, for a few hundred extra dollars the build put 
> together by Antonio seems to be the smarter purchase.  
>
>
> All that is left to do now is order a saddle.  I am going to measure the 
> width of a saddle that she has the she likes and decide where to go from 
> there.  Most likely will be a Brooks (B-17 or B-68) or a Rivet (Loveland).  
> Any thoughts?  I've tried a few Brooks, and currently have a B-17 on my 
> Cheviot and a Berthoud Aspin on my Black Mountain Cycles Road Bike.  I've 
> read a few good comments about Rivet, but never seen or ridden on one 
> myself.
>
> Thanks you all for your suggestions.  They all helped with the 
> decision-making process.
>
> Sean
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 52cm Clem Smith Jr L bicycle is my one and only favorite bike. I 
>> cannot see myself on any other Rivendell bicycle.
>>
>> My old road bike has long been retired and no interest in riding it.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 12:21 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell 
>>> and live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
>>> RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
>>> not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
>>>> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want 
>>>> to 
>>>> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
>>>> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
>>>> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
>>>> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
>>>> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended 
>>>>> mid tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few 
>>>>> hundred dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to 
>>>>> dismiss something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to 
>>>>> look at every day. 
>>>>>
>>>>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to 
>>>>> it with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it 
>>>>> very 
>>>>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are 
>>>>> agreeable or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're 
>>>>> fine. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
>>>>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
>>>>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>>>>>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
>>>>>> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and 

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Johnny Alien]

My stem is a 120 with losco bars. I am not sure if those come back as far 
(or further) that the choco bars. I would bet they come back farther. I 
like to set up my bikes so that the far away positions are usable. In this 
case that is hands on the front of the bar which gives me something similar 
to rinding on the tops of a drop bar. The back position then puts me bolt 
upright. That way I have the most flexibility to how I ride. Setting up 
sweptback bars so that there is reach at the furthest back position makes 
all other positions useless for me.

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah, did you see that Analog had the (I think Jaguar) in  pink? It's 
> sold out now but maybe they might have one stashed for you!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:29:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Johnny - I know! Maybe it’s the swept-back bars? 
>>
>> Garth and anyone else: I hate spending $200 on a seat post but I would do 
>> it for my raspberry Platypus. The Rivet Sonora rails are short and what I 
>> wouldn’t give for more setback. If I bought that Nitto from Crust’s website 
>> (S84?) that WOULD give me noticeably more setback than the standard Riv 
>> seat post, yes? 
>>
>> Say the word and I’m buying that stupid expensive post.
>> L
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Not to derail this but with the Riv method of riding oversized bikes I 
>> am shocked that there is much need for saddles to be set back so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 2:06:44 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> So the Jaguar has an insignificant extra 1mm of setback over the S83.
>>> We need a 26.8 S84 which would require a new lug for the S84, or a 
>>> change in diameter below the lug. I am not holding my breath for either of 
>>> that developments.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 1:53:08 PM UTC-4 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are the specs from Nitto:
>>>>
>>>> [image: NJ-SP72.png]
>>>> [image: Nitto seatpost.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking closely at pictures of the S83 and the Jaguar, I do not 
>>>>> believe that the Jaguar has more setback than the S83, let alone 50% more 
>>>>> (according to the Crust Website 30mm vs. 20mm). They look equal to me. 
>>>>> The 
>>>>> forward bolt holes appear to be in the same location.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Seatp.JPG]
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-4 andrew.s...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a new secondhans NJS jaguar 
>>>>>> <https://crustbikes.com/collections/seat-posts/products/nitto-njs-jaguar-seatpost>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> for my hillborne on Ebay. New they’re 200 bucks, yeesh. Lots of setback, 
>>>>>> super pretty. They definitely out bling my white industries hubs.
>>>>>> Randy “ooo shiny” in portland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:07:01 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric, I’m so glad you started this thread. I went through the same 
>>>>>>> odyssey a few years ago and tried the IRD seatpost and it slipped like 
>>>>>>> crazy. Riv took it back and stopped selling it because it was a 
>>>>>>> widespread 
>>>>>>> problem. I want a bit more setback on my Platy so I’m going to take 
>>>>>>> Liz’s 
>>>>>>> recommendation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liz - thank you SO much! I was led to believe during my search that 
>>>>>>> I was out of luck because most seatposts come in the-27-whatever size 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> not our uncommon 26.8. Can this seat post really work well at only 
>>>>>>> $15?!? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Much thanks,
>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-12 at 10.40.34

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Johnny Alien]

I have close to the same PBH (80.5) and the same longer torso vs leg 
length. I kept thinking I needed to go back but then on some advice from 
this forum decided to adjust the stem vs saddle and actually bumped the 
saddle forward a little bit. I went to a zero setback Thomson post. It was 
a night and day improvement and I wished I had known to do this earlier. 
This is on a Gallop prototype which is also a road bike frame. Keeping the 
right geometry over the crank is the key to feeling comfortable for me and 
going back was actually making it worse. Someone here can likely explain it 
better and I am sure everyone is different. I know nothing about bike 
fitting.

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings
>
> Picking up this thread I just bought a 50cm Roadini and had it built up 
> for my wife  (Thanks Bryan!).  The goal being a faster, more roadie bike 
> than she currently rides but still can hit trails.
>
> She has a very long torso and long arms but short (proportionally to her 
> torso) legs...  She's an 80pbh so Right in the sweet spot for a size 50.
> Initially I put Chocos on the bike on a 110mm high-rise stem ...but they 
> come way back... so that probably not the right bar for the Roadini anyway.
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-07 at 10.53.16 AM.png]
> Even when mocking the bike up with noodles on a 100mm stem , she felt 
> scrunched up and didn't have the reach she needed.  Her rear end was 
> hanging off the back of the saddle. 
>
> Her other bike is a Bruce Gordon BLT Taiwanese-built touring frame with 
> 26" wheels 
> it's got a 44cm seat tube with a 54cm top tube and a, I think, a 12º slope 
> on the top tube.  We've got a 13cm Nitto stem on it and Albatross bars 
> ...which don't come back nearly as far as the Chocos.
>
> Currently the saddle is a  Brooks B17 all the way back on the stock Kalloy 
> seatpost. 
>
> I'm rebuilding the cockpit with either drops or something like a 
> Wavie...not sure which direction yet, but def something that doesn't come 
> back too much and will use an appropriately long stem.
>
> With regards to seat-posts, I see IRD has come out with a new "Compact" 
> version of their wayback stem.  It extends 30mm rather than the 50mm of the 
> previous way -way back version 
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/ird-seatpost-wayback-compact-6972?search=wayback+compact#attr=346,4463,1073
> and it's comes in 26.8mm
> I think this could help a lot without the extreme nature of the 50mm 
> version 
>
> Curious if anyone has had success with this post?
>
> Also, thinking the B17 may be the wrong saddle just bc of the short rails.
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:46:45 AM UTC-4 Austin L wrote:
>
>> I like the American Classic setback posts. Occasionally they come up in 
>> 28.6. 
>>
>> Another option if you have a makerspace or friend with a lathe is to turn 
>> down a 27.2.
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Leah, for you to use the S-84, the lugged one with 37mm plus 
>>> setback that comes only in 27.2mm size, you would need to take your bike to 
>>> a bike shop who works with steel frames and has experience with reaming 
>>> seat tubes. Reaming a standard 28.6mm outer diameter steel tube to take a 
>>> 27.2mm post is not only easy, it's standard by most frame 
>>> designers/builders. 26.8mm is not. Look for shops that have been around for 
>>> a long time, and do ask about their experience. It should be a no brainer 
>>> for most shops but I haven't been in a bike shop for along time. Actually 
>>> when you buy a steel frame from a local dealer it is still customary at 
>>> most to ream/clean out the tubes as standard part of an extensive standard 
>>> prep for all new frame sales. That Riv doesn't do this, or says it's not 
>>> necessary, or wants to charge extra, I don't agree with that, but of course 
>>> it's not my business and they're not a bike shop either. Many Riv buyers 
>>> may not know that most retail shops prep frames complimentary as part of 
>>> the sale, at least the ones I was familiar with or worked at. 
>>>
>>> No need to spend $200 though. I see 17 S84's for sale on ebay from Japan 
>>> for $130 total w/shipping. Some spell it S84, some S-84, look for both. Or 
>>> for a Japanese retail store, Tracksupermarket.com sells the 250mm 
>>> version(plenty long) for $111.50 and shipping to Ohio USA is $18.50. 
>>> Michigan would be the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.tracksupermarket.com/nitto-tokyo-s-84-lugged-seat-post-27-2mm.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I would also add that if someone forced me to get rid of one Rivendell and 
live with just one bike it would be the Clem. I think it is the most 
RIvendell bike ever in spirit. A cushy ride that will go anywhere and is 
not too fancy. Thankfully no one has made me make that choice.

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 3:19:08 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
> hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
> spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
> personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
> RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
> matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
> the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
>> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
>> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
>> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
>> every day. 
>>
>> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
>> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
>> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>>
>> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
>> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>>
>> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
>> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
>> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>>
>>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>>> parts she wants later. 
>>>
>>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>>>> thing I just made up
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
>>>>>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
>>>>>> point! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>>>>>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>>>>>>> which 
>>>>>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot. 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have 
>>>>>>> fun 
>>>>>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>>>>>>> questions.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 kr

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I stick by letting her pick. She is currently riding a 30 year old Trek 
hybrid so either one will fit her riding conditions. If she doesn't want to 
spend the extra cash then the Clem is a fantastic pick. I love mine and 
personally wouldn't trade it for another Riv (noting that I have a lighter 
RIvendell as well). But if they both work the only thing in the world that 
matters is that she likes it. Why talk her into the more expensive ride if 
the Clem will fit the conditions and she likes it?

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:10:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Obviously the Platy requires more material and labor for the extended mid 
> tube. Bicycles are long term investments though, so letting a few hundred 
> dollars get it in the way hardly qualifies as a valid reason to dismiss 
> something base don that alone. Get the one that is appealing to look at 
> every day. 
>
> From my own subjective view, the Platypus has an appealing elegance to it 
> with the extended swooping mid tube. Plus the purple accentuates it very 
> well, of which direct sunlight will enhance it even more. 
>
> Complete or build your own depends on if the included parts are agreeable 
> or not. If you have nothing specific to change then they're fine. 
>
> The Clem has a notably longer frame reach than the Platypus, which may 
> only be noticed if you have both. The Platy with it's 50mm max tires is 
> plenty for the type of riding Sean suggested. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>
>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit 
>> for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the 
>> sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
>> doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
>> budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
>> fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
>> great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>> parts she wants later. 
>>
>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
>> hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
>> in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>>>> thing I just made up
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
>>>>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful 
>>>>> point! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>>>>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor 
>>>>>> which 
>>>>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
>>>>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
>>>>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>>>>>> questions.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Tim -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
>>>>>>>> So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 9:47:36 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> My Platy with Bosco bars, Nitto R-14, large Saddlesack, tool kit, Dyad 
> wheels, frame pump, dynamo lighting, etc weighs about the same as Kim's 
> naked Clem. So from a weight perspective it's more about the "build and 
> bags" than the frame, in reality.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:52:31 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your responses to my request for information.  I am 
>> very grateful.  Steve - your Platypus is gorgeous!  Is the terrain in that 
>> picture typical of the kind of riding?
>>
>> Sarah and Al - you have kind of hit my dilemma.  I have really enjoyed 
>> the opportunity to bike with my wife, and I hope to do more of it in the 
>> future.  I want her to fall in love with a bike - and I think the Platypus 
>> may do that.  However, as she is not [yet] a bike person, the price tag is 
>> a bit of a stumbling block.  Joyce, you are very kind to offer test rides.  
>> I wish that were an easy option.  My Cheviot is much to big for her, so my 
>> wife can see it, but not actually ride the bike.  Al - I think that she 
>> would be happy with either bike, and that either a Clem or Platypus would 
>> serve her well.  It is difficult to know which will bring the biggest smile 
>> to her fact - which is, of course, the ultimate goal.
>>
>> Kim - thank you for the link to the earlier discussion about this topic.  
>> I searched the list, but did not do as well as you. 
>>
>> Thanks for giving us lots to think about.
>>
>> Best -
>> Sean
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:34:44 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 
>>> lbs with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, 
>>> fenders and frame pump. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.

 I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
 road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy 
 bike. 
 My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
 necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
 low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)

 As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount 
 and the upright riding position.

 The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
 short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just 
> give up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy 
> train 
> riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains 
> for 
> a Clem.
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 
>>
>> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
>> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
>> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 
>>
>> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs 
>> the 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 
>> mm 
>> Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
>> 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C 
>> *slick 
>> tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>>
>>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

I used the word perhaps a LOT of times there

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> For the type of riding you describe either will work. Since it is for her 
> she should go with whichever speaks to her more. Perhaps a higher price 
> will make her treat it more delicately and perhaps ride it less OR perhaps 
> because the Platy is fancier she will wan to ride it much more. Either way 
> there is no wrong answer as far as quality of product or ride.
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sean, I can't respond fully to your question --  I've not ridden a Clem. 
>> I have seen one up close and personal though. RBW describes the Clem as 
>> MTB-ish, and the example I saw was an exceptional build; big RH knobbies 
>> and polished Paul brakes and levers (I want one just like it!!!).
>>
>> I find my Platypus to be exactly as Rivendell describes it. Back to your 
>> question -- 
>> I don't know your wife, but here's the thing with the Platypus, if you 
>> think she would appreciate a bicycle that she falls in love with all over 
>> again every time she rides it, then go with the Platypus!
>>
>> Steve in Asheville, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg] if 
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
>>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
>>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
>>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
>>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
>>> the ride with her.
>>>
>>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
>>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
>>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems 
>>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
>>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>>>
>>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first 
>>> suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, 
>>> stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit 
>>> surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  
>>> When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but 
>>> didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I 
>>> am reaching out to the group.
>>>
>>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
>>> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
>>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
>>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
>>> much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sean
>>> Buffalo, NY
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Johnny Alien]

For the type of riding you describe either will work. Since it is for her 
she should go with whichever speaks to her more. Perhaps a higher price 
will make her treat it more delicately and perhaps ride it less OR perhaps 
because the Platy is fancier she will wan to ride it much more. Either way 
there is no wrong answer as far as quality of product or ride.
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sean, I can't respond fully to your question --  I've not ridden a Clem. I 
> have seen one up close and personal though. RBW describes the Clem as 
> MTB-ish, and the example I saw was an exceptional build; big RH knobbies 
> and polished Paul brakes and levers (I want one just like it!!!).
>
> I find my Platypus to be exactly as Rivendell describes it. Back to your 
> question -- 
> I don't know your wife, but here's the thing with the Platypus, if you 
> think she would appreciate a bicycle that she falls in love with all over 
> again every time she rides it, then go with the Platypus!
>
> Steve in Asheville, NC
>
>
>
> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg] if 
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>
>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
>> the ride with her.
>>
>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems 
>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>>
>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  
>> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and 
>> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised 
>> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she 
>> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't 
>> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am 
>> reaching out to the group.
>>
>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
>> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Johnny Alien]

I love it! My Clem is 1x9 and probably my favorite all around setup.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 7:55:58 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Really gorgeous bike Roberta! I can look at those heart lugs all day, and 
> those mud flaps. I love how you have combined function with all those 
> little touches that bring day to day joy. And it fits on Amtrak and public 
> transportation!
>
> Sarah
>
> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>
>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>
>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>> Homer.
>>
>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
>> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
>> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
>> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
>> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
>> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>>
>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>
>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>
>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
>> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
>> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
>> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
>> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
>> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>>
>> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
>> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
>> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
>> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>>
>> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the 
>> hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
>> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
>> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
>> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
>> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
>> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[Johnny Alien]

If you have parts that work for 135 rear and you are not setting it up for 
roadie riding (which I am just guessing because of the dynamo wheelset) 
then it might make sense to try a different Riv frame. The main difference 
with the Roadini is a slightly more road oriented geometry. And even that 
is probably minimal in comparison to industry road bikes. There is so much 
crossover that I don't think you will miss much going to a different frame 
like a Homer.

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 1:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
> John Dewey 
> 10:13 AM (0 minutes ago)
> to rbw-owners-bunch
> BTW, regarding spreading the rear. 
>
> Just a word of caution, not sure I'd advise this unless you're adventurous 
> and/or experienced...or crazy. 
>
> Or all of the above. And, as always, YMMV.
>
> Jock
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:57 AM R. Alexis  wrote:
>
>> Check with Rivendell to see if this a safe option. I would think it is. I 
>> have a mix of both 130 and 135 OLD bikes in the mix with a few 140mm. My 
>> 1987 Schwinn Voyageur is 130mm that I have a 132.5 wheelset mounted on. 
>> Pretty sure the frame was 126mm OLD prior to me getting it. Settled on that 
>> on the wheel to give me the option of going in a 130 or 135mm OLD frame. I 
>> have about several bikes with 130mm OLD. Bridgestone MB-0 (Zip), 
>> Bridgestone XO-1, Bianchi Perigrine, Schwinn High Plains Aluminum and the 
>> Schwinn Voyageur. Wanted to spread the Zip to 135, but was cautioned not 
>> to. The Schwinn High Plains Aluminum is a no go because of the aluminum. 
>> Both Zip and XO-1 are using Mavic Paris Gao Dakar  hubs. Bianchi is rolling 
>> on some Specialized sealed bearing freewheel hubs and the Schwinn is 
>> rolling on Shimano Deore DX hubs I swapped out axles and redished down to 
>> 130mm OLD. Voyageur is running Suntour Superbe Pro. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:30:22 PM UTC-6 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of 
>>> new/old/bin parts.
>>>
>>> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam 
>>> Hillborne and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a 
>>> Roadini.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Johnny Alien]

It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
based on upright relaxed riding.

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
> height. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Johnny Alien]

It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Johnny Alien]

Agreed. Beautiful. I really love those Altus rear derailers. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 4:14:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a lovely bicycle, Dorothy 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:06:48 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0422.jpeg]Here’s mine with a lot of tranferred parts off a 
>> 2019 45cm Clem
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:50:41 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely try the Clem saddle first. It's promoted by Riv as an Actual 
>>> Good Saddle, and certainly a better option for a lockup bike than the 
>>> spiffy/pricey Brookses we all know and love around here. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
>>>> call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle that 
>>>> came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats what 
>>>> it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well 
>>>> for 
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dorothy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good question! 
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close 
>>>>> and the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> a phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert 
>>>>> you:) Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated 
>>>>> there would be a saddle. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sally
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, 
>>>>>> but I didn’t get one with mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete arrived 
>>>>>>> yesterday by UPS!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it 
>>>>>>> closed (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but 
>>>>>>> equally 
>>>>>>> excited for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, 
>>>>>>> twine, etc. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xmas came early here in California! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers to all...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>>>>>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting 
>>>>>>>> a new 
>>>>>>>> frame... 樂
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>>>>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>>>>>>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
>>>>>>>>>> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! 
>>>>>>>>>> All you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m 
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Johnny Alien]

The website clearly says it comes with a saddle so I would give them a 
call. It's described as the Clem saddle though and I found the saddle that 
came with my Clem to be nothing more than a courtesy saddle. If thats what 
it is I would highly suggest purchasing a better saddle that works well for 
you.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:00:58 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:

> Hi Dorothy,
>
> Good question! 
>
> We didn't even open the box because our shop was just about to close and 
> the owner was waiting for us...I didn't buy one, so I'm sure we'll get a 
> phone call by Monday if there wasn't one in the box...and I'll alert you:) 
> Maybe Will can send you one separately? I know it clearly stated there 
> would be a saddle. 
>
> Sally
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:54 AM Dorothy C  wrote:
>
>> Sally did your complete include a saddle? Will said there would be, but I 
>> didn’t get one with mine
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:25:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> My husband's (okay, really, OUR) 50 cm purple Platy complete arrived 
>>> yesterday by UPS!
>>>
>>> We loaded it up asap to get it to our local bike shop before it closed 
>>> (not being as savvy mechanically as most of you all...but equally excited 
>>> for sure:)... I'd already ordered the pedals, kickstand, tape, twine, etc. 
>>>
>>> Xmas came early here in California! 
>>>
>>> Cheers to all...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:50 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
 other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
 frame... 樂

 Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 

 On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
> wife’s in time! 
>
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
>> to 
>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
>> coating 
>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
>> will 
>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
>> (caliper 
>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>
>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
>>> taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was 
>>> born there and I love to visit!)
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
 the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats 
 are in 
 those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.

 Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
 Berkeley, CA

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:


 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
 several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
 several 
 times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some 
 purple 
 Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
 green 
 instead of two different purples. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Johnny Alien]

If anyone is getting a recent complete and wants to sell this seat let me 
know. 
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:17:58 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> With several more rides and miles, I am liking it more and more. I like 
> the ability to move around on it. No soreness. Currently set up in a fairly 
> upright position, around 60º or so.
>
> The horn is still a little wider than I would prefer, but I guess I'm 
> getting used to it.
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-7 cramer@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Didn't. Looks comfortable. If it was a little bit narrower I'd keep it.  
>> NWT. Never mounted. 
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 10:14 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Huh - I'm curious.  Did you ever have the black plastic one they 
>>> included with the 2016 Sam completes?  If so, how does it compare?
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
 Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted 
 right away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and 
 am eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
 Have any of you ridden it yet?

 Now for that new derailer/derailleur!

 Tom
 Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Johnny Alien]

All of that being necessary is still a sign of bad design. If its not clear 
or takes very specific processes to be done correctly then there is a 
problem somewhere. I think that problem is 100% the design of that bolt 
system. Most 1x bolts are a breeze and require no specific instructions. 
And I have swapped chainrings right on the bike with the crankset installed.

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 12:39:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Most of the time I get away with not having to grab the backside with 
> anything. Other times I need a thin flathead screwdriver slotted in there 
> and risk scratching the crankarm. I do not like scratching things, those 
> hidden arms are a pain in the patooty. 
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:32:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Yeah, this gets to the heart of it.  If your gripe has anything to do 
>> with the tool that fits the backside of a chainring bolt, then in my 
>> opinion you are already doing it wrong.  I change out maybe 20 chainrings a 
>> year, maybe more, and I go years without touching that tool.  To me there 
>> is precisely one use-case for that tool:  when disassembling an old 
>> crankset that was set up by somebody who did it wrong.  In order to set 
>> things up correctly you don't need that tool.  If things were set up 
>> correctly, you don't need that tool to take things apart. 9 out of 10 times 
>> that I do need to touch that tool, it's because I'm taking apart a used 
>> crankset, set up wrong by the factory or the previous owner.  The symptom 
>> is that you can rotate the bolt and the nut part rotates right along with 
>> it.  You get to this state by setting things up wrong.  
>>
>> Here's my set up:
>>
>> 1.The backside of a chainring bolt (the "nut" part) nestles into a recess 
>> on the chainring.  That interface is supposed to stay fixed as the bolt is 
>> tightened.  It is supposed to GRAB, not SLIDE.  As such, it should be bone 
>> dry and clean.  If in 20 years corrosion makes it stuck, no biggie, whack 
>> it out with a rubber mallet.  No grease here!
>>
>> 2.The threads between the bolt and nut are supposed to slide freely and 
>> it's bad if this interface ever binds or rusts.  Grease goes here on the 
>> threads (not threadlocker).
>>
>> 3. The head of the bolt slides against the chainring as it is tightened.  
>> If that interface binds, you might not get it tight enough.  This interface 
>> should have a tiny bit of grease.  
>>
>> 4. If the chainring bolt assembly is set up dry-grease-grease, then those 
>> three interfaces will grab-slide-slide, and you can tighten the chainring 
>> bolt as tightly as you like with no backside wrench.  When you take it back 
>> apart, the interfaces still grab-slide-slide and you can disassemble it 
>> with no backside wrench.  If/when the backside nut "breaks free" when you 
>> are loosening, just press it with your fingertip while you continue 
>> loosening the bolt.  
>>
>> 5.  The only modification of the above for "hidden" arms is you need 
>> something thinner than your fingertip at step 4, and literally anything 
>> will serve.  A chopstick, a flathead screwdriver, an allen key, whatever 
>> thinnish thing you have handy on your workbench will serve.  
>>
>> That's the entire secret in my view.  The four things I think people 
>> maybe do wrong are:
>>
>> 1. doing any of this work not in a workstand.  This makes every single 
>> thing 5x more clumsy and awkward
>> 2. Doing any chainring assembly/disassembly with the cranks on the bike.  
>> Take the crank arm off and do it right on a work surface.  Swapping 
>> chainrings with the cranks on the bike is at least 3x more awkward.  If you 
>> pull the crank arm you actually may get away with not having a workstand!
>> 3. Putting grease where it does not belong: the interface that is 
>> supposed to grab
>> 4. Not putting grease where it does belong: the interfaces that are 
>> supposed to slide
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to think its a dual problem between the tool and the actual bolt. 
>>> I think the design of those lends itself to needing special tools that 
>>> don't really work effectively. Using wolftooth bolts on a 1x is problem 
>>> free and great. I don't like working with those Sugino style bolts even on 
>>> non-hidden arms.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:48:38 AM UTC-5 Jock Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plus one Mr. 

[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Johnny Alien]

For some clarity I was only able to find two left side Sunrace shifters. 
The one right side one I had is nowhere to be found. So if someone has a 
lone Sunrace right side I am still totally open to sending a left side. (If 
that offer helps at all)

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A generous offer from a list member fell through (the parts were lost) - 
> so - anyone else have anything they'd be willing to sell/etc? :)
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Yes, as does any friction shifter ! 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe 
 some Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. 
 They both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking 
 at buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
 shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
 shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
 are nuts. 

 $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033

 On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Anyone? :)
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>
>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc 
>> etc. 
>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Johnny Alien]

I tend to think its a dual problem between the tool and the actual bolt. I 
think the design of those lends itself to needing special tools that don't 
really work effectively. Using wolftooth bolts on a 1x is problem free and 
great. I don't like working with those Sugino style bolts even on 
non-hidden arms.

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 9:48:38 AM UTC-5 Jock Dewey wrote:

> Plus one Mr. Tapebubba. If any are holding NOS Logic silver @ 170 / 172.5 
> I’ll take the misery off your hands. 
>
> BTW, I seem to recall a thread, many threads way way back when re: Logic 
> arms prone to breaking. Is my memory faulty?
>
> Jock
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:11 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The hidden arm was definitely invented just to make a different look, and 
>> we were supposed to think that look was preferable. There's nothing better 
>> from a performance standpoint with the hidden arm, and it does indeed make 
>> it a TINY bit more work to change a chainring if you are doing things 
>> right*, and substantially harder if you are doing things some other way.  I 
>> think it's a logical and good thing that Rivendell designed Silver cranks 
>> with a normal 5-arm setup.  
>>
>> That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have 
>> such a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem 
>> with it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down for 
>> me.  Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm 
>> Ritcheys, three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy.  If 
>> there are any of you out there at your wits-end about it and want to ship 
>> me your unwanted 172.5mm cranks, let me know.
>>
>> Maybe I should do a YouTube to show how to deal with it the right* way?  
>> That would probably be pointless because in general it seems that those who 
>> have made up their minds that they are terrible seem to have their minds 
>> completely made up.  
>>
>> There is no question that the hidden arm does not make it EASIER to 
>> replace a chainring.  It makes it a tiny bit harder.  I'd put it on par 
>> with tying my shoes.  My BOA shoes are the easiest to install onto my feet 
>> and extract from my feet.  Lace-up shoes are harder to install and harder 
>> to extract than BOA shoes.  That's a fact.  Still, I know how to tie my 
>> shoes, and I do include lace-up shoes in my closet.  I imagine it would be 
>> logical to boycott lace-up shoes and label shoelaces as the worst thing 
>> ever, and limit oneself to strictly BOA shoes (and slip-ons).  That would 
>> be a principled stance.  From my perspective, it's a baby and bathwater 
>> situation.  
>>
>> My guess is that there are three reasons Rivendell designed the Silver 
>> cranks with normal 5-arms:
>>
>> 1. their customers vocally complain about the hidden arm
>> 2. there is no performance benefit to the hidden arm
>> 3. the post-forging machining steps are more complicated and costly with 
>> the hidden arm
>>
>> There's no reason to make an already expensive product even more 
>> expensive by adding a valueless feature that your customers will bellyache 
>> about.  
>>
>> I've got guesses at how and why people struggle with the hidden arm, and 
>> it's probably a combination of 4 things.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> *by right, I mean the way that was obvious and self-evident when I first 
>> ran across them in the late 1980s, but it seems what was obvious and self 
>> evident to me is not universal.  
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:27:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>>  "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."
>>>
>>> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the 
>>> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring 
>>> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a 
>>> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain 
>>> in the patooty. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino 
 AT cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
 upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell 
 didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain 
 to deal with. 

 Thanks,

 Reginald Alexis  

 On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at 
> Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same 
> time, 
> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>
> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 
> crankset.  Looks pretty cool!
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Johnny Alien]

I agree with Rivendell and Joe...the hidden arm is the worst.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 2:27:41 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>  "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."
>
> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the 
> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring 
> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a 
> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain 
> in the patooty. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT 
>> cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
>> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell 
>> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain 
>> to deal with. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis  
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at 
>>> Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, 
>>> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>>>  Looks pretty cool!
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Johnny Alien]

Well Rivendell pushes the completes and orders more of them because that is 
what they want people to do. For completes they don't even open the boxes 
unless you request it so the work load on them is way less. They are great 
values if you want what they have on it but the last complete I got I 
swapped almost everything so the end value to me wasn't great. I understand 
it from a business perspective and am not bothered by what they are doing.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> They have them in completes which is a pretty good deal. I imagine they 
> sell better than the framesets. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or 
>> they got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold 
>> out and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I 
>> am shocked they didn't get more stock of that.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Kim,
>>> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
>>> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
>>>> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors 
>>>> got 
>>>> sold out quickly. 
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Johnny Alien]

I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or they 
got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold out 
and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I am 
shocked they didn't get more stock of that.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Kim,
> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
>> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got 
>> sold out quickly. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Johnny Alien]

I think I have sunrace thumbshifters that are not as nice as silver 
shifters but I *think* that silver shifters can be mounted to them. If 
anyone can confirm that is true I would be happy to send you the 
thumbshifter mounts for free. They are just sitting around. Like these

https://www.rivbike.com/products/sunrace-one-at-a-time-thumb-shifter-right-side

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>> are nuts. 
>>
>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone? :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
 Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
 barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
 My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
 laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats!!

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last 
> weekish. 
>
> In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found 
> a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but 
> good lookin out, thanks!
>
> ben
> lexington ky 
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>>
>> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> hey yall!
>>>
>>> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching 
>>> for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for 
>>> example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, 
>>> let me know! 
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Ben
>>> in ky
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grips appreciation post

[Johnny Alien]

I was using ergon lock-on grips but recently have gone back to the old 
school classic Hunt Wilde grips. I am converting everything over. I love 
the finger grooves.

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 6:28:26 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> I have some Bontrager XXX foam grips on my 1994 Bridgestone MB-1 retro 
> ride. I like them. Also using a combination of small trimmed remain 
> sections of Bontrager XR Silicone and Race Lite X/RXL foam grips on my Gary 
> Fisher Tandem on the front with Surly Bikes Open Bar using SRAM Grip Shift. 
> Really liking the set up. Considering replacing the older Bontrager Dual 
> Compound ergo grips on my Bontrager single speed with some  Bontrager XR 
> Silicone, some ESI grips https://esigrips.com/ or some Chucks Grips 
> https://www.chucksgrips.com/ when I change out some stuff. Have some 
> Wilderness Trail Bikes/WTB Original Trail Grips on my WTB Bon Tempe and the 
> Magura modified WTB grips on my Rivendell Mountain. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 12:15:15 PM UTC-6 northfaring wrote:
>
>> Looking for some grip inspo.  Please share your grips!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Johnny Alien]

Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey yall!
>
> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for 
> a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example 
> if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me 
> know! 
>
> thanks
> Ben
> in ky
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Johnny Alien]

Orjust let me toss this outwavies.

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:26:07 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes I do believe your plan will work. Billies are nice but reach way back 
> there, I think a 13cm stem and Albas will be the business on your new 
> Platypus. Albatross would probably work without a stem change on your 55 as 
> well. 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:34:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Not with a long stem, and albatross bars it won’t. I have Billie bars and 
>> a 10 cm stem on my 55 and I wish for a tiny bit more reach. But I can’t 
>> have it unless I ditch my extra tall stem and they don’t make it any longer 
>> than 10 cm. So I have the saddle pushed back. The smaller Platy will fit on 
>> public transportation and is technically in my PBH range. You remembered 
>> right!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 10:30 PM, J  wrote:
>>
>> Someone may have mentioned this already, but didn't Leah have issues 
>> with not being able to get her seat back far enough to get reach and hand 
>> position comfy on her current size 55 Platypus? Maybe I'm remembering 
>> wrong,  but it seems a size 50 will amplify that same issue? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 5:19:54 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Dang, that really is pretty ain't it? I thought I wasn't into 
>>> purple..I've changed my mind! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:15:53 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can view BlueLug's own studio photography of the ana purple 
>>>> platypus frame here for another take: 
>>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-platypus-frame-set-ana-purple.html 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most 
>>>>> should cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are positive 
>>>>> that the 50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works 
>>>>> sell 
>>>>> the Clem and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I 
>>>>>> love my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it better. 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality 
>>>>>> that what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said 
>>>>>> her 
>>>>>> bike shines magenta in sunlight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this 
>>>>>> purple frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular 
>>>>>> failure. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
>>>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest 
>>>>>> presale. I have many opinions on the color. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
>>>>>> Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
>>>>>> neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? 
>>>>>> Both 
>>>>>> will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find 
>>>>>> the purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations 
>>>>>> after viewing an embarrassi

Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Johnny Alien]

You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most should 
cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are positive that the 
50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works sell the Clem 
and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> 
> I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I love 
> my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would have 
> chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it better. I 
> don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 
>
> I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality that 
> what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said her bike 
> shines magenta in sunlight.
>
> If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this purple 
> frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular failure. 
>
> What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Leah
>
> On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
> I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest presale. I 
> have many opinions on the color. 
>
>
> First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
> Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
> neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? Both 
> will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 
>
> Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find the 
> purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations after 
> viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) amount of 
> photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly dynamic color, 
> given it can find many different shades as you add more red or blue to it 
> (adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be smack dab a 
> 50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* on the 
> fun/originality scale. Add to that the dark shade of the saturation and 
> it's a bit much! I mean, purple can (and often should) be loud. If it was a 
> lighter shade to the point of lavender, it would not be as gender neutral.  
> I personally think if some metallic flake (silver or other colors) was 
> added with a hint lighter of a shade it would be much nicer. 
>
> So, why did I order an Ana Purple Platypus at 12:01PM with the option of 
> Sergio Green for the taking? Fun factor. Now, I'm a 33 year old male with 
> some rather hyper-masculine features. I have no issue with presenting a bit 
> more feminine (3-5" inseam short shorts please) and challenging gender 
> norms. Coupled with the step through design, I'm sure I will get a lot of, 
> "but isn't that a woman's bike?"...Confusing passerbys or challenging their 
> idea of what type of bike a hyper masculine looking man rides is part of 
> the fun. I'm sure I will come to appreciate it and grow fond of it overtime 
> as I witness the color in different light and scenes. I also wish for this 
> to be a bike that any of my friends, male or female, can ride and have a 
> blast on. 
>
> I plan on letting the Purple stand out in the palette. Yes I ordered a 
> complete, but that is simply for my immediate pleasure before I strip it to 
> the frame with my spec of parts. I plan on silver components, many of them 
> Paul, which provide the opportunity to add little purple anodized accents. 
> Think polished brakes/levers, but purple/black barrel adjusters or brake 
> spring holders. Black leather saddle/grips with hints of brass here and 
> there. Make a palette of complementary-ish colors and choose mismatched 
> Nissen cable housing to match. Lots of little details like Forager cable 
> cherries or fun bar tape in-line with the intentionally designed palette.
>
> You get the jist, my designer brain will go to town on this one. Thanks 
> for reading. 
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Bill Lindsay, I was just catching up with this thread (always interested 
>> in anything Platypus related!) and I have to interject; That is one pur-tee 
>> Legolas. Looks like a shade of periwinkle on my MacBook.  
>>
>> More on topic - before purchasing a Platy I was thinking about a purple 
>> Charlie Gallop - picturing it dressed out with black Honjo fenders and 
>> black components. I was leaning for a bad boy vibe.When the final 
>> Charlie protos dropped the swoopy top tube I snatched up a 2022 mermaid 
>> Platy frame still in the box. Nothing bad boy there - but it is a sweet 
>> ride and it has the sleek filet brazed middle stays.  And, BTW, Sheldon 
>> Brown was wrong - a mixtie is NOT just a "ladies bike".
>>
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte 
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Saturday, 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Johnny Alien]

No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second) 
run of Platypie

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Leah -
> Is this what you are looking for ?
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when 
>> I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
>> West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
>> exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
>> side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
>> want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
>> begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Roberta!
>>>
>>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
>>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
>>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
>>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
>>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
>>> crew really cares.
>>>
>>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
>>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
>>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
>>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
>>> flipped up in the vestibule:
>>>
>>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
 take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
 an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
 know how to do it.  

 Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
 commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.

 I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
 putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
 drivers were quite nice about that.

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require 
> unscrewing 
> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider 
> tires 
> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to 
> sway 
> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
> frequently.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob :) , 
>>
>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
>> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter 
>> without 
>> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>
>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
>> lift 
>> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>>
>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
>>> hanging 
>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
>>> the 
>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel 
>>> on 
>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
>>> my 
>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
>>> would 
>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>>
>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue 

[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini F/F - Dark Gold

[Johnny Alien]

Sold. Thanks everyone

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:09:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Sadly I am in the same position. So if you have been eying up a roadini in 
> this size then I've got the deal for you and you would be helping me out 
> immensely. Brand new frame, never built up or ridden. Comes with the stuff 
> in the previous post plus a brand new set of Tektro sidepulls.
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to maybe be able to hold onto this but it looks like thats 
>> not the best path for me right now. No parts left but it will still come 
>> with the stock seatpost, the 113 bottom bracket installed, and the extra 
>> 110 bottom bracket. Brand new with no issues. I could do *$1000 shipped.*
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Will do! The XTR stuff and crankset was claimed but I can post some 
>>> photos of the stem and bars and such. I should mention that I will include 
>>> Tektro long reach brakes with the frame as well cable stops for the shifter 
>>> mounts. The Tektros look new to me. I think I got them from someone here.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I highly recommend posting photos or a link to same. Someone will snap 
>>>> this up once they see it*
>>>>
>>>> *Someone like me if it was 6-or-so months from now. I don't quite have 
>>>> the funds at the moment. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:36:01 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have parts that I will be selling if you want anything included. I 
>>>>> have a Blue Lug power quill stem, wavie bars, xtr rapid rise rd (the gray 
>>>>> one from the 90's), matching xtr FD, and a SPA (unbranded Sugino XD2) 
>>>>> c165 
>>>>> crankset.  Feel free to hit me up for the frame, parts, package deal, 
>>>>> etc. 
>>>>> Anything will be help. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly a family issue with my parents' health has popped up and I 
>>>>>> won't have time or money to do anything bike build related for quite 
>>>>>> some 
>>>>>> time. I just got this frame and was planning on a fall project but as 
>>>>>> noted 
>>>>>> above its not happening. This had some parts installed but is pretty 
>>>>>> much 
>>>>>> just as it came from Rivendell. Never got to a point far enough to get 
>>>>>> any 
>>>>>> dings or marks or anything. The fork is installed and the kalloy 
>>>>>> seatpost 
>>>>>> will of course be included. The one thing I did do so far is swap the 
>>>>>> bottom bracket from a 110 to a 113 so it would work better with a triple 
>>>>>> (or wide range triple with a guard). I will include the 110 BB that came 
>>>>>> with it. These cost around $1400 to get shipped to you from Rivendell. I 
>>>>>> will sell this one for $1100 shipped anywhere in the USA. I really hate 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> do this but hopefully someone here can help me out and also get a great 
>>>>>> looking bike.
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not a fan at all but I do happen to think it looks great on the 
Platypus frame. Not sure why that ones different for me but it is.

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> Purple is the best color, and this is a great purple. I love it.
> -W
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini F/F - Dark Gold

[Johnny Alien]

Sadly I am in the same position. So if you have been eying up a roadini in 
this size then I've got the deal for you and you would be helping me out 
immensely. Brand new frame, never built up or ridden. Comes with the stuff 
in the previous post plus a brand new set of Tektro sidepulls.

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was hoping to maybe be able to hold onto this but it looks like thats 
> not the best path for me right now. No parts left but it will still come 
> with the stock seatpost, the 113 bottom bracket installed, and the extra 
> 110 bottom bracket. Brand new with no issues. I could do *$1000 shipped.*
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Will do! The XTR stuff and crankset was claimed but I can post some 
>> photos of the stem and bars and such. I should mention that I will include 
>> Tektro long reach brakes with the frame as well cable stops for the shifter 
>> mounts. The Tektros look new to me. I think I got them from someone here.
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:08:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I highly recommend posting photos or a link to same. Someone will snap 
>>> this up once they see it*
>>>
>>> *Someone like me if it was 6-or-so months from now. I don't quite have 
>>> the funds at the moment. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:36:01 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have parts that I will be selling if you want anything included. I 
>>>> have a Blue Lug power quill stem, wavie bars, xtr rapid rise rd (the gray 
>>>> one from the 90's), matching xtr FD, and a SPA (unbranded Sugino XD2) c165 
>>>> crankset.  Feel free to hit me up for the frame, parts, package deal, etc. 
>>>> Anything will be help. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sadly a family issue with my parents' health has popped up and I won't 
>>>>> have time or money to do anything bike build related for quite some time. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> just got this frame and was planning on a fall project but as noted above 
>>>>> its not happening. This had some parts installed but is pretty much just 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> it came from Rivendell. Never got to a point far enough to get any dings 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> marks or anything. The fork is installed and the kalloy seatpost will of 
>>>>> course be included. The one thing I did do so far is swap the bottom 
>>>>> bracket from a 110 to a 113 so it would work better with a triple (or 
>>>>> wide 
>>>>> range triple with a guard). I will include the 110 BB that came with it. 
>>>>> These cost around $1400 to get shipped to you from Rivendell. I will sell 
>>>>> this one for $1100 shipped anywhere in the USA. I really hate to do this 
>>>>> but hopefully someone here can help me out and also get a great looking 
>>>>> bike.
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Johnny Alien]

I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache bars 
and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally use 
drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
come in so that shipping makes more sense.

Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
experience.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Johnny Alien]

My PBH is somewhere in that 80 to 81 range. 80.5? Something inbetween like 
that. I am 5'9" but have a short inseam. I like being at the top of the 
range vs at the bottom so 50cm for a Platy is where I would personally go. 
I have a 50cm Proto-Gallop and I love it. Knowing you are comfortable with 
the 55 makes me very curious how you would like the smaller size. Based on 
your other setups you like a bit of stretchI'm not sure if the 50 could 
give that to you. I suggest buying one. I would have voted purple but the 
green is very nice as well.

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 8:31:01 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> 
> How much wiggle room is there on the brakes for smaller wheels? Would a 
> smaller diameter wheelset allow the bike to load on the train? 
>
> Or bring a 16” front wheel with you and use it for the train rack and then 
> swap out when at the destination. A 16” wheel should fit in any Riv 
> approved saddlebag.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Her Platys have the same 53cm chainstays as my custom, and my ETT of 63 
> compares to the Platy 61.5. Add 700c wheels on hers vs. 650b on mine and 
> it's a wash, we own long bikes! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the 
>> wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  
>>
>> #SWBST
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>>> include the following:
>>>
>>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
>>> total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
>>> trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Johnny Alien]

I don't know why I would talk someone out of another bike. Tell her to grab 
a Platy. Listen to Leah not me.

The completes are pretty nice. There are some parts I would personally want 
to swap but overall thats not a terrible setup for a complete.

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:04:03 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

>
> Custom?can't wait to see it Roberta! Cliffhanger wheels?
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:38:27 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I'll post pics when it's put together.  :)
>>
>> In the meantime, perhaps Chung's wife can try a Platy.   
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Steve -
>>> Roberta is not telling us yet. She is keeping it a secret, until she's 
>>> ready to share it with us.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 5:18 AM Steve  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What did Roberta get ???   Inquiring minds want to know !!!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:16:34 PM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The suspense grows. I can hear it now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:35:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m waiting for some of the parts to come in. I’ll post a new bike 
>>>>>> day when done, with story. In the meantime, try a Platy!  I think she’ll 
>>>>>> love it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:16:13 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I am now dying to know what Roberta got.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:15:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch 
>>>>>>>> to work for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can 
>>>>>>>> either 
>>>>>>>> be at the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a 
>>>>>>>> S.Hillborne and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. 
>>>>>>>> No 
>>>>>>>> matter what bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't 
>>>>>>>> exciting. 
>>>>>>>> My Clem is infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it 
>>>>>>>> had to 
>>>>>>>> do with the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I 
>>>>>>>> got my 
>>>>>>>> Proto Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so 
>>>>>>>> subjective 
>>>>>>>> and I respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it 
>>>>>>>> were 
>>>>>>>> me I would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> nice parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> less of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it 
>>>>>>>> doesn't 
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and 
>>>>>>>>> then down the list, Clem, Cheviot 
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Johnny Alien]

And I am now dying to know what Roberta got.

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:15:52 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch to work 
> for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can either be at 
> the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a S.Hillborne 
> and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. No matter what 
> bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't exciting. My Clem is 
> infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it had to do with 
> the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I got my Proto 
> Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so subjective and I 
> respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it were me I 
> would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will have nice 
> parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things with less 
> of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it doesn't work.
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and then 
>> down the list, Clem, Cheviot 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Johnny Alien]

Fit is a factor too. Rivendell has limited sizes that they stretch to work 
for everyone. I happen to sit oddly in the spectrum and can either be at 
the top of the range or at the bottom of a larger one. I had a S.Hillborne 
and it didn't even kind of sit in the zippy camp for me. No matter what 
bars I threw on it or tires or wheels it just wasn't exciting. My Clem is 
infinitely better in ride quality. I am very convinced it had to do with 
the sizing on the SH not working for me. I sized down when I got my Proto 
Gallop and that rides fantastic as well. Honestly its so subjective and I 
respect everyones experience but in the end its personal. If it were me I 
would 100% upgrade the Clem first. If it doesn't work you will have nice 
parts to move over to a Platy frame. That way you can try things with less 
of an investment and it will still be usable if she decides it doesn't work.

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:53:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Favorite mixte riding bikes are Platy, Betty Foy, She-Devil, and then down 
> the list, Clem, Cheviot 
>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Johnny Alien]

The Clem is more stout for sure but I doubt that the overall frame weight 
is all that different. Probably really minor actually. I think the biggest 
difference is that people tend to build up the Platypus frames with lighter 
and higher end components vs the way a Clem is built. So I think you could 
100% make a Clem lighter with different components. And a lighter set of 
wheels with a supple tire should make a difference in ride feel as well. I 
think wheels and tires are the best upgrade you can make on any bike. There 
is still geometry to take into consideration but overall I think a Clem can 
be upgraded to generally meet what an all around Platy will do. 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-5 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
> setup to make it more zippy?
>
> Best,
> Chung
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne fork on a Heron?

[Johnny Alien]

That fork crown became the standard fork crown during that period. It is 
indeed nice looking.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 6:29:37 PM UTC-5 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> That's very nice - I like the sloping fork crown on there and was a good 
> idea to have Waterford put one together for you when you did. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 1:14:19 PM UTC-8 CJ wrote:
>
>> I didn't care for the original fork on my Heron Touring, so I contacted 
>> Todd Kuzma somewhere around 2001 and he had Waterford make me a new fork 
>> using their "Adventure Bike" fork crown. Attached is the only pic I have 
>> handy at the moment. Tire clearance isn't huge, but it's somewhat better 
>> than stock. My bike is limited to an ~38mm tire at the chainstays, so I 
>> never tried going wider than that.
>>
>> CJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:22:21 PM UTC-5 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This week I was commuting home from work on my Heron. I got a flat on my 
>>> Challenge Strada Bianca 36 tires and on a whim—certainly inspired by the 
>>> recent 'Rondini' episode of Ron's bikes YouTube episode—decided to stuff in 
>>> a pair of much too large 700x42 Hurricane Ridge tires to enjoy until the 
>>> snow falls. Which should be pretty quick here in British Columbia's 
>>> southern interior.
>>>
>>> The fork clearance is decidedly too tight and perhaps irresponsible, if 
>>> not dangerous. I'm gonna keep my fenders on as I'm not sure how long this 
>>> experiment will last. So far a couple of sporting trips back and forth to 
>>> work. 
>>>
>>> It has got me thinking though, has anyone out there modified their Heron 
>>> to have more modern Riv tire clearances? In the vein of a Sam Hillborne. I 
>>> was daydreaming about putting a more tolerable fork and crimping the 
>>> chainstays, so I could run up in the +45 range. Although the rear wheel has 
>>> much more than a few sheets of paper in clearance and the irrevesability of 
>>> crimping makes me nervous. 
>>>
>>> Would love to hear any thoughts on the pro's/con's. And if there are any 
>>> extra hillborne forks out there for a ~57 frame, I may be interested. If 
>>> so, I can give specs. I know I should leave a perfectly wonderful frameset 
>>> alone, but I can't help but wonder about it. 
>>>
>>> Here are some pics that make the fit seem even more dramatic on that 
>>> front fork. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4368.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4363.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4364.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4365.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4366.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini frame set 47cm (650b) GraySilver

[Johnny Alien]

But thats not saying you couldn't make it work but it would be closer to a 
classic road setup with a decent amount of exposed seatpost.

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 5:25:49 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> With that PBH size I would say you would be more comfortable on a 50cm. 
> RIvendell suggested the 47 for up to a 78 PBH if I remember correctly.
>
> On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:41:49 PM UTC-5 KenP wrote:
>
>> I'm 5'6; might be too small?  PBH 79.5
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 12:56 PM Ashwath Akirekadu  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Price drop: now $750
>>>
>>> Pickup is from Ashburn, VA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 19:13:56 UTC-4 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a moving sale.
>>>>
>>>> Soon after I assembled this bike 2020, the family life 100% took over.  
>>>> I might have gone on 5-6 rides, totaling less than 100 miles.
>>>>
>>>> What is included: frame, fork, headset and bottom bracket.
>>>> Price: $800
>>>>
>>>> I cannot ship.  Bay Area pick up only (Sunnyvale) on dates Oct 28, 29, 
>>>> 30 or 31st.  
>>>>
>>>> After that the frame will move with rest of my stuff to Northern 
>>>> Virginia.  If it is not sold in Bay Area, it will be available for pick up 
>>>> in NVa November 3rd week onwards.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini frame set 47cm (650b) GraySilver

[Johnny Alien]

With that PBH size I would say you would be more comfortable on a 50cm. 
RIvendell suggested the 47 for up to a 78 PBH if I remember correctly.

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:41:49 PM UTC-5 KenP wrote:

> I'm 5'6; might be too small?  PBH 79.5
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 12:56 PM Ashwath Akirekadu  
> wrote:
>
>> Price drop: now $750
>>
>> Pickup is from Ashburn, VA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 October 2023 at 19:13:56 UTC-4 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>>> This is a moving sale.
>>>
>>> Soon after I assembled this bike 2020, the family life 100% took over.  
>>> I might have gone on 5-6 rides, totaling less than 100 miles.
>>>
>>> What is included: frame, fork, headset and bottom bracket.
>>> Price: $800
>>>
>>> I cannot ship.  Bay Area pick up only (Sunnyvale) on dates Oct 28, 29, 
>>> 30 or 31st.  
>>>
>>> After that the frame will move with rest of my stuff to Northern 
>>> Virginia.  If it is not sold in Bay Area, it will be available for pick up 
>>> in NVa November 3rd week onwards.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Rack

[Johnny Alien]

1UP does sell Fender Cushions as an accessory to add on.

https://1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:09:30 AM UTC-5 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The Hollywood bike carrier accomodates wider tires, longer wheelbases and 
> fenders.  Fairly low price. well made.  I have been pleased with it for the 
> 2 years I have been using it.
>
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:01:51 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Great info, especially re: the fenders! I have fenders on my Clem and 
>> just ordered some for my husband's incoming Platypus.
>>
>> Thanks much!
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 4:50 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> I share Ted’s praise of the Küat NV2.0. Mine has been one of the best 
>>> bike investments I’ve made. It fits my 50” wheelbase medium Gus no problem, 
>>> although it pushes it to its absolute maxium. When they say 50” is the max. 
>>> wheelbase, they mean it.
>>>
>>> 1Up makes a very fine rack, but if your bike has fenders, or if you 
>>> think you’ll want to carry a friend’s bike who has fenders, you may want to 
>>> consider the Küat over the 1Up. Reason being, the Küat swing arm will still 
>>> securely hold the front wheel as long as you get it as close to the front 
>>> edge of the fender as possible. Unlike the 1Up, there’s no rear swing arm 
>>> on the Küat to clamp down on (and potentially deform) your rear fender. My 
>>> Küat has carried multiple fendered bikes thousands of miles on long road 
>>> trips with no issues whatsoever.
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Sally Bidleman <3mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Ted! I just checked our local bike shop and, while they don't 
>>> have 1UP, they can bring a Kuat NV2 down the grade from their warehouse in 
>>> a couple days for us to try. Very excited to expand our biking radius, 
>>> albeit (partially) by auto! Now, if I can only locate a Jakob Ingebrigtsen 
>>> running cap for my son's birthday, I'll be 2 for 2 today, ha.
>>>
>>> Appreciate this group!!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 2:53 PM Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Highly recommend the Kuat NV2 or 1UP as previously recommended. I have 
>>>> the NV2 and it’s the best rack I’ve ever owned. Can easily carry any bike 
>>>> I 
>>>> have. The only one that pushes the limits a bit is my Gus, I wouldn’t want 
>>>> to try anything longer. The only reason I didn’t get the 1UP was due to 
>>>> availability at the time.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 5:00 PM <3mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Johnny! Subaru XTrek 2 inch hitch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. 
>>>>> Best product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>> Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 
>>>>>> 50 cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!
>>>>>> Sally
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[RBW] Re: Bike Rack

[Johnny Alien]

For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. Best 
product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases.

On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:

> Hi all!
> Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 
> cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!
> Sally
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Re: [RBW] Bluelug Visit to Rivendell (Video)

[Johnny Alien]

I'm very confused by the Gallop now. They took what was a road frame on the 
lower price scale for RIvendell (the Roadini) and are going to replace it 
with a higher priced lugged road bike? Even though they already have the 
Homer that could fit that category well? It was originally designed to be a 
road bike for sweptback bars and v brakes (which is unique) and now it 
seems to be a drop/albastache bike that can be setup with sweptback bars if 
you like. There is just so much crossover with this frame now. Will even 
says "like a homer but with more standover space". But that was a Cheviot. 
I'm just a bit salty because the original dream of Clem priced, bars with 
sweep, and v brakes all on a road bike was something unique for them. But 
for me it doesn't matter because I have the proto-clem that checks all of 
those boxes.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:38:59 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roman was fascinating to watch, he communicated with his hands in a way 
> that (I think) signifies he knows ASL. 
>
> I love that Spencer's only Riv is the original Road he got in '95. If 
> you've ever seen it you know it's the most beausaged Rivendell in 
> existence, it's practically a work of art! I also love that he said in 
> front of Grant that he mostly rides his 2-speed Brompton and it's his 
> favorite bike 
>
> Dig the Gallop. I want one. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:53:27 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>>
>> I wish Grant had answered their questions about the two new frames on 
>> camera. Will and the other fellow didn't seem to remember/know what was 
>> going on in any detail.
>> The Charlie looks like such I nice frame, the new lugs are beautiful and 
>> I think I can put up with the sidepulls. It will probably be my next frame 
>> purchase. I have time to save up the pennies too, I guess.
>>
>> The new Susie has it's swoop tube intersecting much higher on the seat 
>> tube. This is good. Definitely the weak point of the frame design.
>> I am glad that I have my OG Susie though. The light tubing makes it such 
>> a great bike and I love the fillet brazing. Wouldn't change it for the 
>> world.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: IRD Cafam - S Brake Levers - Silver

[Johnny Alien]

Sent you a message. Thanks

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 10:05:18 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> If they are the silver ones, I'll take them.
> alan nyc
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:15:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I just realized I never sold these. These are 100% brand new and never 
>> mounted. The S version so they are short pull. Will work with cantilever, 
>> mini-v, and road brakes. Very light and very nice. *$75 shipped*
>>
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-brake-lever-set-cafam-s-short-pull-solid-color-6892
>>
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[RBW] FS: IRD Cafam - S Brake Levers - Silver

[Johnny Alien]

I just realized I never sold these. These are 100% brand new and never 
mounted. The S version so they are short pull. Will work with cantilever, 
mini-v, and road brakes. Very light and very nice. *$75 shipped*

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-brake-lever-set-cafam-s-short-pull-solid-color-6892

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Johnny Alien]

I'm a fan!

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:30:58 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at Roman's 
> Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, so I 
> always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>
> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>  Looks pretty cool!
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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