[RBW] Re: BRP
Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law. https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/ "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, or national origin." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f21133a7-6e0d-46f3-8353-42ae1f253fc7n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] fatter tires for smaller diameter wheels
List, I just read a post from Patrick Moore with thread title to make 26 rim'd atlantis fast randonneur: suggestions?, the quote is, Jan's idea that smaller wheels ought to have fatter tires for the best handling compared to larger wheels has not been true in my experience. I have read similar statements from others and wanted to comment. I did actually purchase the Bicycle Quarterly (BQ) article, although I don't have it on hand as I write. As I recall, the handling of 3 bikes with similar geometry but different wheelsize was compared. The BQ conclusion was that the bikes handled differently depending on tire width, and the purported explanation was that the moment of inertia of the wheel was the cause of a difference in handling. Since wider tires are generally heavier, and smaller diameter wheels light, one may infer the recommendation that smaller diameter wheels should have wider tires than larger diameter wheels. Here's what I want to challenge: the geometry of the 3 bikes was similar, I believe they all used a 73 degree head angle. So yes, if you want to keep the head angle constant as wheel size changes (and it is a head angle commonly used for road bikes with 700C wheels), then probably a mountain bike diameter 26 wheel and a skinny tire is not the best combination. However, bike designers (at least the better ones) know to change (decrease) the head angle and other aspects of the frame geometry for a smaller diameter / similar tire width wheel precisely because the steering of the smaller diameter and lower moment of inertia wheel is quicker and the stability is less. So, I don't think the BQ article proved a 26 wheel bike has poor handling with narrow tires, it just showed that if the geometry is taken say from a design that works well for narrow 700C wheels and no compensating changes are made, the handling will be sub-optimal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Canti-rom and dt shifters?
My canti-rom had bosses for dt shifters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 55 cm Canti-Rom
The bike is sold, thanks to all who expressed interest. Cheers, Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 55 cm Canti-Rom
IBeautiful and rare Rivendell road bike intended for 700C wheels with canti-brake mounts sold as frame/fork/headset plus rear brake, good fit for someone around 5' 5 - 5' 8 or so. Handmade in Japan by Toyo for Rivendell Bicycle Works, lugged construction. This is a do all bicycle perfect for recreation, century or fund raising rides or supported bike touring. Works well with narrow tires but the cantilever brakes accommodate wide (38 mm) tires for trails or cyclocross riding. Bike and paint are in very good condition, low mileage, used on weekends for fun rides, hasn't been ridden in over a year, never crashed, no dents or dings, with wheels attached it looks new. Asking $800, I'm located near Stanford University (Bay Area, California), prefer local pickup. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: hunqapillar
Happyriding - where did you find the geometry information for the Hunqapillar? Comparing the geometries of a 60cm Bombadil and a 62cm(the biggest) Hunqapillar, there is not much difference. The chainstays are 46.5 and 46(Hunqapillar), and the theoretical top tube is 63 v. 62.5 cm(Hunqapillar). The most significant difference in my mind is the bottom bracket drop: 7 v. 8 cm(Hunqapillar). ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike for 350# person?
There's a post on another cycling list, asking for bicycle recommendations for a 350lb person. I believe Rivendell worked initially with Co-Motion, and the result was the Mazama: http://www.co-motion.com/single_bikes/mazama.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road
$2k for a Riv/Waterford Roadie or $1.5k for a Ebisu Road. Discuss I have no first hand experience, and Riv final geometry isn't published, but here's how available (to me) info says they differ: Roadeo: USA made, Ebisu, Japan made Geometry: Roadeo has slightly longer chainstays (say 430 cm versus 415 - 425 cm), slightly lower bottom bracket, both claim clearance for 28 mm tire width with fenders Brakes: Roadeo uses standard reach brakes, unsure of Ebisu (website says sidepull brakes) Tubing gauge: Roadeo uses thin wall standard oversized diameter tubing, I think the Ebisu uses standard diameter tubing, likely somewhat heavier Fork: Roadeo offers choice of threaded or threadless, looks like the Ebisu is threaded I have read consistently positive reports re: Ebisu bicycles, and similar positives for Rivendell. The Ebisu sounds like a bit more of a traditional road bike in the geometry, the Riv Roadeo has the Riv signature of slightly longer chainstays and lower bottom bracket. The biggest differences I see (apart from price) are: a) which business (es) do you want to support, b) feelings about USA versus overseas production (some would pay more to support), c) tubing gauges/ diameters, and d) slight geometry differences. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] wheel size for small road frames, was Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
The prototype is 55 cm (700C wheel), and apparently the Roadeo will be available in 51 cm and 53 cm frame sizes. Anyone know the wheel size for these smaller size frames? Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pics of Atlantis built up as pure road bike?
Hi David, I see no point in riding on tires less than 32 mm unless you are in a race or are messenger. Count me as one who disagrees with your statement. I'm not fast, I don't race, I'm not a messenger, but I like my bicycle to feel quick and light. So I don't buy into wider is better or at least 32mm. All things being equal, a wider tire will be heavier than a narrower tire, and then there is the additional mass of a wider rim to properly support a wider tire as well as additional mass of the pressurized air in the tire. It may not be a huge effect, but I'm aware of it and like the feel of a lighter wheel and narrower tire - around 26 - 28 mm is a good size for me. I'm around 150 pounds, and do not find additional comfort on smooth roads going from say 28 mm to 32 mm or more. I do, however, notice that as the tire becomes bigger, the wheel feels more ponderous and heavy. It is not necessary to pump up a 28 mm tire to 120 psi or something like that and then compare to a 32 mm tire at a much lower pressure. I think ideal tire width depends on many factors, including the road surface, your weight, and so on. That's my $0.02 I wish Riv would bring back the Ram. I think the Ram is a great bike too. Darn, sorry to agree with you there! ;) With the current economic situation, I would speculate that Riv has cut back on orders of their production bikes, I wouldn't expect to see the Ram anytime soon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Rivish Bobish stuff for sale
I have 3 items for sale: 55 cm Romulus Canti-Rom frame/fork/headset, very good condition, used on weekends for fun rides, no dents or dings, prefer local pickup (live near Stanford, CA) Riv Nitto Top Rack R14 with long struts for mounting at rear wheel dropout Carradice Rack Top Bag Please see my photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/megordon/sets/72157613120519679/ and contact me offlist if interested. Thanks, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivish Bobish stuff for sale
Yeah, it really is a nice bike, part of me doesn't want to sell it, but I've now got four bikes in the garage and I'm wanting to reduce to 3. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivish Bobish stuff for sale
On Jan 30, 2:30 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Michael, how did the Rom fit you? Hi, I'm not sure exactly what information you are looking for. The 55 cm Rom is pretty much like a 56 cm Rambouillet in fit, published geometry is at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/romulus/pages/17-downtubedecal.html I'm about 5' 7 with I think about 82 cm PBH, so as far as top tube clearance and seat tube length the fit is fine, not a lot of standover but it's not a problem. I started out with a 9 cm stem, and that's not really too stretched out but I had a back injury and some neck pain from looking up at the road and wanted a more upright position and so I switched to a shorter stem with more rise. If I were getting a custom bicycle for drop bars I think I would want a slightly shorter top tube, and that's less a matter of my physical dimensions and more a matter of my flexibility and somewhat head-forward posture. The Rom has toe clip overlap, and if the top tube were further shortened without changes elsewhere, the existing toe overlap would worsten. Hope that helps, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bleriot WTB (shot in the dark)
John, Couple of comments: 1) Check the Riv website webspecials - they have a 50 cm and 52 cm Rambouillet, that's something to consider, those are nice bikes for mountain bike wheels with like Pasela 26 X 1.25 or similar tire 2) I'm puzzled why you ruled out an Atlantis on the basis of prettiness ? The Atlantis is a beautiful frameset, and if you don't like the standard color you can get it painted a different color. Cheers, Michael On Jan 20, 12:34 pm, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a 52 cm Bleriot frame or complete bike for my girlfriend--she's going to be riding with me this year. Plus now that I have a great bike, I need to replace her Cannondale. I'll also consider other light touring or brevet-appropriate frames/ bikes, but probably not an Atlantis. Hate to say it, but prettiness is a factor here :-) I'm trying to convince her that the Hillborne is equivalent, but she's not fond of the aesthetic. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
