Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you Rivendell

2022-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

2022-09-25 Thread Patrick Moore
As others have said, "worth it" depends on the user as much as the thing
itself. Even the question, "Is it worth it?" means different things at
different times to different people, all the way from "should I spend $$$
on this or spend it on Christmas presents?" to "do Paul cantilevers retard
my wheel at least x% more than Shimano or whatever cantilvers, and is the
x% margin worth the added price given my needs and budget?"

Paul cantis are worth it to me for the 2nd Chauncey because they stop well
(enough) but don't squeal or -- in the front with the mile-long head and
steerer tubes -- chatter that I got with Tektros.

Klampers might be worth (to me) the premium over Hy/Rds on the first
Matthews if they give similar braking power and modulation without
hydraulic fluid.

I have 1 bike where I'll spend $100s more on a single part just because
it's, frankly, a vanity bike and I want to have the prettiest and best on
it, I define "pretty." On my other bikes, my calculations are more, but
hardly entirely, practical.

In that connection: How do Klampers compare in performance to Hy/Rds? (I
see that the Klampers are about twice the cost of the Hy Rds.)

Speaking of worth, and mixing threads: the proposed new reverse pull
Rivendell rear derailleur certainly isn't "worth it" to me for any
practical benefit, but I would be tempted to buy one for $150 just because
it looks so interesting. Not nearly as pretty as a 7410 or 740n RD, but
nice looking and *interesting!*

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 11:52 AM Bill Fulford 
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> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007
> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later
> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So
> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks
> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with
> love levers. Are they worth it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno substitute for a while...

2022-09-22 Thread Patrick Moore
 be part of the feature list, it seems.  I'm still paying very close
>>> attention, but the itch is getting scratched today.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Jersey sold, Grabsack still available. [FS Road Holland LS wool jersey, red; first edition Rivendendell Grabsack modified to be better]

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
> 2. Original Grab Sack from Rivendell made from that so-densely woven
> cotton canvas that it is, really, annoyingly stiff. But stiff = quality!
>
> Well used, but it has many more years and miles in it.
>
> *Note!!* I replaced the original strap. The original strap was of denser
> webbing but it was too narrow for my comfort. The new webbing is much wider
> but also of thinner weave. *Note this too!* The new shoulder webbing was
> sewn in place by an amateur; the sewing is not of the original Riv's vendor
> quality. *And finally note this:* the shoulder strap is not adjustable.
> It is 38" from top of left seam to top of right seam, and if you hold the
> bag by the center of the strap, the vertical to the top of the flap is
> about 18".
>
> *$40 shipped CONUS.*
>
> *Also Note:* I added a waist strap with rivets
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Rack Attachment

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
I agree; for the old-fashioned kind of pannier that hooks to the top rail
and is held in place by a bungee with a hook at the end. Nice rack feature,
IMO unless it interferes with your stays.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 7:59 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> I suspect it's just a hook to attach a strap/bungee to. You can certainly
> lop it off!
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:43:52 AM UTC-4 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I have a couple older Nitto rear racks with this stud attachment on the
>> lower end. The newer ones don't seem to have it.
>> It causes a problem with interference on the fender stay. You have to
>> spread the rack out and put some shims in to make it work.
>> I'm thinking about sawing/filing it off and touching it up with some
>> paint. Ha[image: Nitto 2.JPG][image: Nitto Rack.JPG]s anyone done this
>> mod?
>> Are these for an older type of pannier attachment? My Ortleib's don't
>> need it.
>> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Book Recommendation

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
One more post on Murphy and then I'll shut up.

Murphy is as perceptive and her observations as perceptive as those of
Patrick Leigh Fermor, tho' she does not have his literary or cultural
sophistication, thus his literary tools. But (IMO) she is good enough to
warrant comparison with this model of modern travel writing, which is high
praise for her indeed.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 2:49 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I finally started reading Dervla Murphy's 1965 or so classic *Full Tilt:
> Ireland to India With A Bicycle* about her 1963 trip across Europe and
> Asia on a single speed*.* I have to say that this is truly the best bike
> travelogue I've read, and -- to place the book in a far more demanding
> category -- I have to say that it ranks among the best travel writing *tout
> court.* I've read much of Waugh, Theroux, Iyer, as well as Tim Moore etc
> etc, as well Toqueville etc, but Murphy is a real writer. I must buy more
> of her travelogues; they're $10 on Kindle.
>
> Why is she so good? First, she's mostly interested in the travel and not
> on the bike. Now, there are some very good bike travelogues -- Tim Moore;
> and I do enjoy the technical bits in such works. But Murphy's Rosinante
> ("Roz") is almost an afterthought; look at the bike kit in her packing
> list! 1 spare tube and 4 links of chain! Murphy is interested in the
> movement, the scenery, and above all, the people and their cultures, and it
> is here she is so good: she is as observant and eloquent in her
> descriptions as Theroux but from the standpoint of an intelligent woman
> with a curious and -- the main point -- frank and open and sympathetic
> character; Theroux, for all his intelligence and eloquence has a nasty
> misanthropic quality that nags at one while reading -- and enjoying -- his
> writings.
>
> I suppose Murphy's background accounts for some of her openness to very
> foreign traditional cultures; perhaps paradoxically, the very traditional,
> and hugely alien to Western eyes, culture of rural, traditional Muslim
> Afghans in the early 1960s is less far from the near-peasant (outside of
> Dublin), old-fashioned Roman Catholic culture that dominated 1963 Ireland
> than to the much more secular and jaded globalist Westernism (for though it
> is global, it is entirely of the modern West) of 2022.
>
> And one is also struck very, very hard by the openness and friendliness of
> such hard-line Islamic traditionalists (and it is largely the men, too, in
> a grossly "patriarchal" society -- I dismiss that ideological term, but
> Pushtun -- as  Wahabi-ist S Arabian -- society *is* grossly patriarchal
> in the negative sense; but anyway) the friendliness, acceptance,
> helpfulness, and dignity of these patriarchal me toward a stray, solitary,
> White European female. I daresay that it was in part because Murphy carried
> in her own character the marks of a medieval religious peasant society that
> she was so well received; the other part doubtless is that open, engaging,
> respectful and friendly character that marks her.
>
> O poor Afghanistan, what have they done to thee! Google photos of
> Afghanistan in the 1960s; there's a portfolio going around taken by a
> visiting American teacher who spent time with his family in Kabul
> ("KAH-buhl) in the mid 1960s. I lived in India at the time and remember the
> general situation well: even then Afghanistan an ideological battlefield,
> large American presence, AID and so forth, to ideologically counteract the
> diabolical Soviets; even then the beginnings of the conflicts that would
> destroy the country and its society -- but the rural peasant Muslim
> tradition lives on; even amongst the debased and really modernist Taliban
> perversion of the religion, for fanatical narrowmindedness, proselytizing
> fury,*, and vicious cruelty is part of that pseudo-Islam that has generated
> the terrorism that really has its root in Western ideologies: Al Fatah and
> such Leninist-inspired radicals from the 1960s and '70s that morphed from
> Marxism into ideological fundamentalist (which means "superficial")
> faux-religious political activism.
>
> * AK Coomaraswamy applied this wonderful epithet to the imperialist and
> racist Christian ideologue missionaries ravaging Asia and Africa in the
> 19th and first half of the 20th century; and I say this as a believing
> practicing Christian. Now, Coomaraswamy often wrote hyperbolically to make
> points for his antagonistic audence, the learned "elite" and
> "great-and-ideologically-good" opinion makers of his time in defense of
> religious tradition, but he was far, far too intelligent and culturally
> aware to deny that even fundamentalist Victorian Christian missionaries
> were often people of

Re: [RBW] Book Recommendation

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
odlich/29222700.html

The Podlich girls were just a few years older than I.





On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:07 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> I recently read a fun book by Tom Eastham called Back on My Bike. It is
> the story of a 60 year old recent retiree who rediscovers cycling. It does
> touch on some ideas that will be familiar to Rivendell riders although i
> don't recall Rivendell being mentioned specifically as it is set in Great
> Britain. Check it out.
> Doug
> Athens, GA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
Delicious!

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing it
> wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had this
> bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so I
> don’t think my bike is the problem.”
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Re: [RBW] Book Recommendation

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
There's another bike travelogue book out there, last 10 or 15 years,
written by a then-just-turned-60-year-old American retiree who decides to
bike across the US. Quite good, but forget the name.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:07 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> I recently read a fun book by Tom Eastham called Back on My Bike. It is
> the story of a 60 year old recent retiree who rediscovers cycling. It does
> touch on some ideas that will be familiar to Rivendell riders although i
> don't recall Rivendell being mentioned specifically as it is set in Great
> Britain. Check it out.
> Doug
> Athens, GA
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Re: [RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
My color-of-first-choice is not a Riv-offered color, but it is the color of
my last remaining (out of 5) Rivendells: Ford Blue, no damned cream
accents. I had a nice powdercoat done to the 1999 (about which you've heard
far more than you want to hear) after C Matthews's alterations, to replace
the original Top Drawer metallic Navy with Cream Joe Bell job. Me, for
blue, there's no blue like Ford Blue, and the duller finish compared to the
sparkly Navy + clearcoat actually, IMO, makes the shade look even better.
The powdercoater IIRC was a local who has done much good bicycle finishing;
recall the "liquid" effect of the pale blue powdercoat of the 1958 Herse;
the shade came close to the original but faded Herse blue but looked, IMO,
better by far.

But, shoot, C Matthews's last powdercoat vendor is not nearly as good as
the earlier one; the otherwise very pretty sage green powdercoat (I vote
this Color #2) on the 2020 AM-hub road bike is lumpy in places.

I'll spare you another photo.

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[RBW] ISO: cheapish RH Naches Pass Endurance tires or expensive NP Extralight tires; Timbuktu or similar small courier bag

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
1. RH 26" X 1.8" Naches Pass tires:

a. Endurance/Regular model, used and relatively cheap: It would be fun to
have a relatively inexpensive pair for occasional use with the Rivendell
gofast. Well used alright, but usable, please. I'd use these with regular
weight tubes and sealant for the very occasional not-so-sandy ride on the
1999 Joe Starck fixie.

b. And as before, looking for pair or more of the Extralights, tan
preferred but will consider black. These should be very lightly used and
I'm willing to pay well for them.

2. ISO replacement for my first edition Rivendell Grabsack, which is very
nice but doesn't have straps as practical and comfortable for riding as the
Timbuktus I've used. I want something quite small, more or less the size of
the Grabsack at about 12" X 10" by 3". I don't want anything much bigger,
as I already have Medium and Humungous Timbuktus.

Thanks. Please reply offlist to bertin753 at gmail dot com.

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
I forgot to add that the Ford Blue powdercoat on my 1999 gofast is far, far
prettier than the rose on Leah's Platypus. Oh my, by far!

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 1:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My color-of-first-choice is not a Riv-offered color, but it is the color
> of my last remaining (out of 5) Rivendells: Ford Blue, no damned cream
> accents. I had a nice powdercoat done to the 1999 (about which you've heard
> far more than you want to hear) after C Matthews's alterations, to replace
> the original Top Drawer metallic Navy with Cream Joe Bell job. Me, for
> blue, there's no blue like Ford Blue, and the duller finish compared to the
> sparkly Navy + clearcoat actually, IMO, makes the shade look even better.
> The powdercoater IIRC was a local who has done much good bicycle finishing;
> recall the "liquid" effect of the pale blue powdercoat of the 1958 Herse;
> the shade came close to the original but faded Herse blue but looked, IMO,
> better by far.
>
> But, shoot, C Matthews's last powdercoat vendor is not nearly as good as
> the earlier one; the otherwise very pretty sage green powdercoat (I vote
> this Color #2) on the 2020 AM-hub road bike is lumpy in places.
>
> I'll spare you another photo.
>


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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

2022-09-14 Thread Patrick Moore
If you find your energy low in the early to mid 50s, I'm sorry, wait until
you get into your late 60s (me: 67 and a half). I commuted across town 15
to 20 miles each way from 42 until 53 -- I was slower in 2008 than in 1997!
-- but I think I'd need an e-bike to do the same distance regularly now, at
least if I wanted to get to work on time.

Even 6 years ago I was grunting a 65"- 70" fixed gear up the long Tramway
hill, tho' suffering for it the next day but one. But the miracle of
shiftable gears makes up for my growing weakness.

But though I'm so much slower now than as a young 50-something, and --
worse -- over doing now it can be almost literally crippling for a couple
of days, I have to say that I enjoy cycling at least as much as I did in my
50s, 40s, and 30s. For one thing, I've learned how to ride energetically
but sustainably; no more time-trials starting at driveways' edge.

Again, for me, errand rides are the most motivating; other motivations are
the lovely bosque dirt trails and roads, and switching amongst very
different bikes. When I get back onto the 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie -- I
tend to ride that least even though I love it most; see errands and bosque
-- I feel (almost literally) as if I have the energy of 10 years ago.

Patrick Moore, who himself has a child transitioning to adulthood (and who
would like to retire when she's done that).

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 10:22 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> It’s interesting to consider the age/phase of life angle. I’m 54, and I
> recall seeing a graph some years ago about self-reported quality of life,
> which hits a nadir in the early to mid 50’s before creeping back up.
> There’s probably something to the “sandwich generation” phenomenon, which
> is to say feeling squeezed by the needs of kids transitioning to adulthood
> on the one hand, and aging parents on the other.
>
> It’s also true that I just don’t have the physical resilience that I used
> to — my job requires long hours, with occasional overnight work. It takes
> me a while to bounce back from a bad weekend of being on call. It makes it
> harder to muster the activation energy to get on my bike and go for a ride,
> but I almost always feel better when I do.
>
> So no magic elixir to rebottle the enthusiasm and vigor I used to have,
> maybe just a resigned yet optimistic acceptance of what this new phase of
> life has to offer. I very likely am veering well off-topic with these sorts
> of musings, but thanks for the replies and reassurance that I’m not alone
> in the struggle.
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

2022-09-07 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh yes. But both utility -- riding for a purpose (I do errands) and variety
-- off road and on road help: looking for new trails and streets (it's
interesting to come across neighborhoods tucked away away from major
arteries; and I'm always finding or re-finding different irrigation system
roads and trails. I very often turn grocery runs from a minimum 2 mile rt
(well 1/2 mile rt to Albertson's; but I mean the nicer Sproutses) to 12 or
15 or 20 miles by taking scenic detours.

And overcoming the habit that every ride must be a time trial. That has
taken me 15 years and I still have to force myself to slow down during the
first few miles.

We're hot, but we're very fortunate to be dry.

Patrick Moore, who must ride to daughter's mother's house tomorrow to pick
up and mail things daughter left behind during visit.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 11:52 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore.
> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
> through it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] Re: New drivetrain for Rivendell #2

2022-09-03 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks for the tips. I'll lean my tendency to procrastinate against my
perfectionist compulsion to remove unused metal, and probably wind up just
leaving things as they are. But I think I'd try a Dremel cutting wheel
first.

Garth, when I look down between my legs and see those inner ring shelves
rotating uselessly around, it irritates my aesthetic sense.

But my main question: Will 52/17 materially reduce chain friction over
46/15? In your plural experience?

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[RBW] Advantages of front loading

2022-09-03 Thread Patrick Moore
Just curious, after adjusting my Ortlieb Sports Packers to the front
lowriders and carrying home about 12 bulky lbs on the front of the 2020
Matthews which is a geometrical clone of a 2003 Riv Road custom -- Riv lost
the geometry chart but I think it's med trail.

10 or 12 lb makes almost no difference in handling, but it does make
wheeling the bike one-handed (gripping stem and adjacent bar) through the
aisles less easy; 20 lb does slow the handling noticeably though not
impossibly. ~15 evenly divided is about the max for happiness.

Rear loads are more stable. 20 lb in the rear is not noticeable, 30 lb in
the rear affects handling less than 20 (evenly distributed) does in front,
and I've carried 45 with the bike still rideable. (For comparo, my best
rear loader was an early 1970s thinnish wall and normal gauge 531 framed
racing bike with long stays and shortish front-center: Motobecane Grand
Record. Though light and flexy, with a *very* stiff 400 gram Tubus Fly this
carried 45 better than any stouter-tubed road bike I've owned, including
any of 4 Riv road models (well, if a first-gen Sam Hill is "road). Another
nice rear grocery load carrier was an '80s Fuji Royale "12 speed" that
actually handled better with 20 lb in back than it did unladen; that one
hated front loads.

So, after that long windup, what is the benefit of front loading *on
Rivendell models*. Is it purely convenience?

And, different question: what is the benefit of front loading on *non-Rivendell
low-trail bikes*: convenience?

Just curious and describing my own experience.

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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

2022-09-03 Thread Patrick Moore
The first gen Sams had cantilevers. Mine was Riv's floor model and came
with very wonderful IRD wide profile cantis; nicer in action and not far
behind in appearance compared to the much more expensive Pauls on my 2020
Matthews!


On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
> ... But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine)
and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes
the same way and sooner than later.
>
> Abe

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

2022-08-29 Thread Patrick Moore
I agree with your choice for pavement riding -- I don't need anything
fatter than 32 mm (in fact, if the 32mm-labeled Elk Pass was a true 32 mm
on my admittedly narrow rims, I'd rise from 26" tire Paradise to 26" tire
Nirvana (both Buddhist), but even at 28 mm on 19 mm OW rims, they're
heavenly (generic metaphorical sense) except on our 5" wide pavement
expansion cracks.

But: You say that you "know that the bigger tires are not as fast." *How do
you know? *

My own experience is that the tire width to speed relationship is all over
the place for tires of similar construction (and cost), what with all the
variables in speed involved (and also by the fast that I haven't measured
anything except seat-of-pants ease of given cadence in given gear in given
conditions). To wit: 622 X 60MM Big One ultralights feel as fast as the Elk
Passes and both feel faster than extra light 42 mm Naches Passes. But
again, variables, variables.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:19 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> On pavement, I see no need for anything beyond 32.  I'm light, I like to
> go fast on pavement, and despite what JH says, I know that the bigger tires
> are not as fast.

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[RBW] Stiffer sidewalls, lower pressure, supple tires, higher pressure; Grant's blog

2022-08-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Amen to this; I discovered this with consternation some 10 years ago after
I swapped my stiff-walled Big Apples for supple-walled Furious Freds hoping
to pump the FFs to the same ~17 psi as the BAs and get wonderful supple
rolling and cushion. But I had to pump the FF 5 psi harder than the BAs to
keep from wallowing and bottoming out -- which made the FFs feel just like
the BAs on dirt. Of course, about a 1 cm width difference.

By "RTF" Grant means "roll flat technology" -- ie, stiff sidewalls.

*There is a trend to tires with thin, supple sidewalls. But more supple
means less RFT. When things are good, it's fine, but if you're going on a
multi-week ride in rocky terrain and no bike shops, there's a good reason
to ride stiffer sidewalls. *

*With more RFT you need lower air pressure in stiffer tires to get the same
cush for the same weight on it. Physicists may be able to prove on paper
that that's a crappier way to achieve a cush factor of X, but to my bad
brain, 45psi in a supple tire of a given volume or 30psi in a stiffer tire
are going to feel the same. And the stiffer tire gets its stiffness from a
sidewall that's not just stiffer, but thicker and tougher, too.*

*This is not an attack on supple, it's just another way to look at cush. On
some rides, maybe you'll want to pump up harder and go with a stiffer tire
because it's lighter and has detectably more zip? And on other rides, like
daily commutes, trails, and tours, you might want a tire with more RFT. I
wouldn't put supple tires on a workhorse. *
FWIW, here's a ceteris paribus stiffwall/supplewall comparo:

Big Apples, combo sandy dirt, choppy washboard and horse hoof damage, and
pavement: 17-18. Comparable pressure for the ultra supple and light (make
RH extralights seem heavy) Big Ones: 19-21.

And interesting background on the high-value retro-market MB-N mountain
bikes. Grant explains how he's moved on. Makes sense.

And there's a new Rivendell pump with wide wood handle at only $45 coming
in October. I expect that will be my first floor pump purchase in a decade
or more.

Patrick " but no interest in high-normal rear derailleurs" Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Max, a clear and informative response. I didn't realize one could
save so much time at sub 18 mph.

I've only dented 1 rim that I remember, back in about 1971 or 1972 when I
bashed a steel 27" rim by failing to dodge a pothole at the bottom of a
fast hill on the way to school, but it is good to know that CF rims can
outlast and outwear aluminum ones and at lighter weights; the Velocity
Blunt SS wheels on my (disc brake) dirt road bike are very light, but I've
thought of replacing them with an even lighter CF-rim pair (but thin crust
and not deep dish!) some day, especially since I could use the Blunts for a
wheelset for a long-wished-for Monocog replacement.

As to weight, I've had a few heavy bikes that just felt easier to pedal in
given gears in given conditions; a mark of these was that I naturally
tended to ride at cruising speed on flats 1 cog smaller / 5 gear inches
bigger. But I never took any measurements.

To respond to Andy's remarks, I myself tend to gauge "speed" by feel, first
by ease of pedaling as described, and distant second, smoothness of tires
(I qualify "smooth" by "tires" because I've had at least 1 noodle frame
that felt very plush but not particularly fast; not particularly slow, but
not especially fast -- ancient long wheelbase Raleigh Technium). But I have
never, ever thought a bike faster because of it felt rode rough or buzzy.

So indeed, my criteria are largely sensory. But I'd still not baulk at
lighter and stronger rims.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 10:10 PM Max S  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> This is a deeply and widely explored topic. There are some numbers and
> graphs to look at here:  https://www.wheelscience.com/pages/aero-v-weight
> In my personal experience, deep rims can save me ~10-20 watts, depending
> on how fast and where I ride. So, it can get me from 16.5 to 17.0 mph or to
> 17.5 mph average over a 50 mile ride on our local gravel roads, for
> example.
> If those rims are carbon, that nets a 1.3-1.5 kg wheelset that is both
> aerodynamic AND sturdy. If I try to hit that weight mark with aluminum
> rims, I get a less aerodynamic and a flimsier wheelset.
> Speaking for myself, the upshot of running deep dish carbon wheels is that
> they let me give up an hour of sleep the night before to keep up with my
> riding pal... But if you're riding by yourself, and your sleep hygiene is
> good, and you're eating right, and you're not checking the local rankings
> on various "segments" on Strava, it doesn't make much difference.
> Well, no, let me take that back. What I've discovered of late in riding
> gravel roads is that half of my aluminum rims have developed dents, whereas
> the carbon wheels have not. I'm not a particularly heavy rider and I like
> to think I'm a careful rider. But running the same size tires on carbon
> wheels seems to not result in the same number of dents. Now this will
> probably at some point turn into a chipped / delaminated section on that
> carbon rim, but for now, they seem to suffer fewer of those dents.
> Carbon frames and forks do save a significant amount of weight – expect
> about 2-3 lbs saved over a similarly sized steel frame & fork, especially
> from Rivendell. The weight is felt on the hills – about 10 seconds per mile
> of climbing at 4-5% gradients, in my experience, but I could be
> mis-remembering. It's easy to stick two extra 2-liter soda bottles in your
> saddlebag and test the effect quantitatively and qualitatively for yourself.
> If the above makes me sound like a carbon apologist, I'll say that all my
> bikes have steel frames and forks, and most have aluminum rims. I just
> prefer those for now, for a variety of reasons. But sometimes I do ride
> carbon wheels and enjoy the looks and the very very slight speed benefits,
> and noticeable durability benefits for some aspects of my riding.
>
> - Max "who should be working on getting more sleep rather than re-gluing
> his tires" in A2
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Pretty Sotherland, and that's one of the most interesting head badges
>> I've seen. The motto in full is "Sans peur et sans reproche" -- "Without
>> fear and without blame" or generally, "Beyond fear and reproach," the motto
>> of the ideal knight of chivalry.
>>
>> I'm just asking this (of the group) and not reproaching: Do carbon fork
>> and aero carbon fiber wheels make that much of a difference over a good
>> steel fork and say lightweight tubulars or RH extralight clinchers at less
>> than race speeds?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 2:03 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today was a women’s ride. 29 miles at over 16 mph, and it was 

[RBW] Stripped-down, gofast fixed gear gravel grinder! Or, the magic of old-time single pivot brake calipers. And WTB: RH Naches Pass ELs.

2022-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Well, hallelujah! (Praise be to Jah, otherwise known as the Lord of Hosts.)
The 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie custom Road, very nicely 2015 modified by
Chauncey Matthews with much longer dropouts, right seatstay chain hook, and
indispensable (high desert) second st bottle cage braze ons, *can take 559
X 42 mm Naches Pass extra lights *(41.5 mm on 21 mm OW EQ 21s; I'd
mount them on the '99-proper 19 mm OW Sun M14As, so perhaps 40 mm there.)

I didn't try the rear, but see the clearances; no problem there! The Elk
Passes measure 24 3/4" tall and 27-28 mm wide on the Suns, and there is
almost an inch under the ss bridge and at least half an inch plus surplus
on the sides. The NPs measure 75 6/10" tall.

Must place order for another couple of pairs of NP ELs, but before I do
that, does anyone have a pair or 2 of Naches Pass extralights in good
condition for sale?

Thanks, Patrick Moore, who hopes shortly to replace the 46t Pro 5 Vis
(46/15= 76" with flipside 17 = 67") with a 52 t Dura Ace GA 200 (52/17-19
Dingle = 76/66), which will very nicely give a 70" gear with the taller NPs.

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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

2022-08-11 Thread Patrick Moore
I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk
Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest
road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of
smoothness.

* I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in fact,
just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides smoothness,
the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given conditions at
given gears.

I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.

At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 mm
(41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier to
pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.

One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's handling
feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One ELs at 18
to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as fast" --
similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very
different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel
all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It
seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple,
light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same.
I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the
BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.

Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that
has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.







On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:

> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even a
> liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe
> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I
> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road
> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a
> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical
> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font
> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are
> presently.
>
> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be it
> 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do with the
> nature of the frame and it's handling though. Ironically, even on
> primitive, broken up hole ridden roads I prefer the ride and handling of
> the Franklin road bike. It tends to glide over everything, while the much
> stiffer and wheelbarrow-like steering can be a bit jarring and ragged
> feeling on the same surfaces.
>
> Within the confines of this group it may appear a certain number may
> prefer wide-r tires, isn't it funny how one tends to focus on that which
> agrees, and ignore/dismiss that which does not. In reality "everyone" rides
> "everything". Take a look at bicyles/riders all around the world and you'll
> find such variety you quickly realize there is a certain silliness to any
> and all claims of this or that tire as "best" or even "required" for this
> or that surface.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Homer 6 months review and questions

2022-08-09 Thread Patrick Moore
As usual, hit "send" before completing the sentence. I meant to say: a very
similar ~1990 top end Diamond Back rigid was very, very sweet but
unexceptionable and very pleasant in the transition between straight line
and turn when shod with 26 X 60 mm Big Apples ...

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...  OTOH, a very similar ~1990 top end Diamond Back rigid was very, very
> sweet but unexceptionable and very pleasant in the transition between
> straight line and turn; again, sedate by road handling standards, but in
> fact much like my second-gen (blue) Rambouillet with 29 mm Challenge Parigi
> Roubaix
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Re: [RBW] Re: Homer 6 months review and questions

2022-08-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Geometry, probably, but tires too can very noticeably affect handling.
First instance: My 2020 Matthews 26" wheel road custom that is a clone of a
2003 Riv Road custom: I first built it up with 28 mm Elk Pass extralights
(175 grams), then switched to the design-goal 42 mm Naches Pass
extralights. I immediately noticed that the bike felt less "nimble," even
if it didn't feel any harder to pedal. Yes, narrower tires can make a bike
feel noticeably easier to change direction. I don't know how much is due to
width and how much to weight: the EPs -- only come in EL -- are 175 grams,
NP ELs are 300 grams.

Instance 2: I rode my brother's 26X55 mm drop bar'd mountain bike after
riding my 29X2.3" drop bar Fargo -- 700C X 60 mm Big Apples. The Fargo
easily kept up with the 26er on fast-ish flat and twisty singletrack, but
man, what a difference in "feel" between the 2 bikes in quickness to change
direction; again, "nimble."

Instance 3: 30 years ago I had hot-rodded ("all roundered") high-end fully
rigid Specialized Stumpjumper Comp and Team with 3 wheelsets: 22 mm 26X1"
Specialized Turbos, 32 mm 26 X 1.5" Specialized Fatboys, and 50mm 26 X
1.95" knobby dogs that you got back in the early 1990s.

They handled very nicely indeed, if rather sedately compared to road bikes,
with the 50s, handled acceptably with the 32s, and with the 22s they were
very awkward: didn't want to track straight, and when your turned into a
fast corner, they wanted to track wide while being nervous. OTOH, a very
similar ~1990 top end Diamond Back rigid was very, very sweet but
unexceptionable and very pleasant in the transition between straight line
and turn; again, sedate by road handling standards, but in fact much like
my second-gen (blue) Rambouillet with 29 mm Challenge Parigi Roubaix.

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> My Atlantis with chocolate moose is little slow steer compared to my homer
> . I love the moose for aesthetics and all the additional mount space . Is
> the slow steering function of handlebar , geometry , tires , headset ? Or
> all of the above

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[RBW] Re: Best dynamo headlight for road riding

2022-08-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks to all the others who responded. For them too, the IQ X is the
majority winner.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is having to re-wire the lamp (wire
runs from hub up forward fender/rack "arch" that holds lamp, and tail light
wire runs back under fender to pop out just aft of crown to run through
loops on right side of head tube to internal route thru top tube, thence
out at seat tube to hole in rack to rear light at rack's rear end.)

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[RBW] Re: Best dynamo headlight for road riding

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Brian and Jeffrey.

I'm afraid that the Sinewave Beacon is out; I need something with
German-spec (or, generally, traffic-appropriate) beam shape. The S Beacon
must be much like my K-Lite: wonderfully bright, but it just blasts the
light out there.*

The B IQ X seems the darling: German beam, very bright, very broad, good
standlight, metal case, and half the price of the Edeluxe. What's not to
like? I'll be interested in others' opinions.

Really, the Edeluxe 1 is quite enough for night commuting along familar
roads and paths, even in full darkness and with my poor night vision, but
turning dark corners at speed is anxious-making. And I generally mount a
good battery headlight for occasional use, which serves at the longer stop
lights. Still, for now, the IQ X is at the top of the list.

Aside: I remember the IQ Fly: wonderful compared to my Sanyo and other
bottle dynamos + incandescent headlights, but man! How weak compared to the
Edeluxe!

OTOH, I did use a 12 volt very high end and very expensive ($300 20 years
ago?) bottle + mating incandescent halogen headlight. This was as bright as
many top line LED lights from 20 years ago.

*Last March I rode home from church at 8:30 or 9 pm in a sudden heavy
snowfall. The K-lite just blasted photons out into the cosmic void and all
the jolly wet big snowflakes cheerfully blasted them back at me. I could
see almost nothing beyond the bar unless I rode with 1 hand cupping the top
of the beam.


On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The nice bright (plastic) headlight on the Dahon was a Lumotec IQ
> something or another, again, no longer made.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best dynamo headlight for road riding

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot to add: Jeffrey: Please post photos of your ride, if and when you
can. Thanks.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Jeffrey Arita 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> My wife and I have experience with several different dynamo LED lights.
> Edelux, Edelux 2, B Cyo, Sinewave Beacon, B IQ-X.  For us, at this
> time, the B IQ-X is the best for pavement riding.  It easily eclipses the
> Edelux 2.  I recall riding with the IQ-X on our tandem last summer on a
> night ride.  It lit up our *entire* vehicle lane.  Some folks do not like
> how there are dimmer spots and brighter spots from the lens.  I get it.
> But we got used to it.  On a very dark night it is amazing.  Watch for
> Amazon sales for really good pricing
>
> One really annoying thing (at least to me) is the IQ-X has an automatic
> feature in which it automatically turns on as a daylight or nightlight,
> depending upon how much ambient light the device senses.  Some might find
> this an invaluable feature, YMMV.  Every time one stops for a bit of time I
> have to remember to *manually* turn it off, saving those precious watts
> on those steep climbs (we are currently cyclotouring in SW Colorado).
>
> Regarding the Sinewave Beacon: I agree - it could be *the* perfect light
> if it had an StVZO lens, IMO.  I did ask the owner of Sinewave a few years
> ago if he was going to use such a lens.  At that time he said no.  Despite
> that, the Beacon checks off a lot of positive features I wish other LED
> lights would incorporate.  Being able to power an LED light via a dynamo
> *OR* a USB battery should be standard, IMO.  Within the chassis, it also
> has electronics for a USB output - extremely critical for cnyclotouring.
> I've had direct experience with the issue of charging a *smartphone* off
> the USB output: it is a measly trickle charge.  But, I think we have to
> remember that it isn't really the light's fault but rather the dynamo.  The
> dynamo outputs a nominal 3 watts.  With losses between the dynamo, wiring
> and USB device, it really is a trickle.  I have had excellent success in
> directly recharging GPS devices (Wahoo BOLT and ROAM) using the Beacon.
> Since their batteries are relatively small, the Sinewave Beacon's USB
> output has recharged those devices within an hour or so of steady riding.
> Allows one to start the next day with a full charge - perfect for
> cyclotouring/bikepacking.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff & Lori Arita
> Claremont, CA (currently in Silverton, CO)
>
> P.S.: We Amtrak'd from Los Angeles to ABQ.  Took the Rail Runner (awesome)
> to Santa Fe.  Began pedaling from SF to Durango.  We loved the Rail Runner:
> when the train car's doors were about to close, the audible warning was the
> Road Runner's "Meep - Meep." ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:40:37 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My only dyno headlight experience is with the Sinewave Beacon. I mention
>> it because it seems to address your two questions. It ticks a lot of boxes
>> for me, but after 2.5 years of hard use with it, I can't say it has lived
>> fully up to the expectations I had for it.
>>
>> Pros: Made in USA, waterproof, all metal construction, can be mounted
>> upside-down, is tremendously bright, has a standlight that glows for hours,
>> is pre-wired for a taillight, can be powered by a battery bank, can charge
>> devices via a waterproof USB port
>>
>> Despite all the pros, two things have disappointed me. First, the beam
>> pattern is more suited for off-road riding. It just blasts a big round beam
>> of light directly in front of you. No focused beam pattern for riding in
>> traffic. Secondly, I'm not sure if my light is faulty, or if it's user
>> error, but I find the USB charging capability pretty much useless. I can
>> plug my phone into it and ride 20-30 miles at 12-14mph and the battery may
>> only go up 1-2% from where it was when I plugged it in. I've heard folks
>> say it is best used to trickle-charge a battery bank, but my battery bank
>> is so large, and takes so long to charge up when plugged into a wall
>> outlet, I don't think I would ever know whether or not the Sinewave was
>> even charging it at all.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:30 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The nice bright (plastic) headlight on the Dahon was a Lumotec IQ
>>> something or another, again, no longer made.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...  A few years ago I had a high-end (if there are levels, this was an
>>>> upper-class level model) but now (I think) discontinued headlight on my Hon
>>>> Solo that gave a br

Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Rear Roadini Rim + shifting issues

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
My experience agrees with Garth's.

Wait a minute: That can't be right! Garth's experiences are way too far out
and exuberant for me!

Let me rephrase: Garth's experience shifting an older crank with a newer,
narrower chain, matches mine. I use a Ritchy Logic crank, 8 speed,* with an
11 speed chain on a 10 sp cassette (a slightly narrow chain seems to
improve or ease rear shifting) and I've never had any problem with the
chain falling between the rings.

* Now the chainring spacers for the granny come from who-knows-where, so
they may not be 8 speed ones; they may be 9 speed ones, but never 10 speed
ones. Or, they may be 7 speed ones. At any rate, friction shifted, I've
never even had to think about the mismatch; it just works fine. (Also, bike
has 5-speed friction bar end shifters pulling 8 speed rear derailleur over
10 cogs with 11 sp chain: wonderful shifting.)

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 2:39 PM Garth  wrote:

> ... Your gearing by the photo is 2x10, not 2x8.  So you're stuck with a 10
> speed chain on a crank whose rings "appear" to be too far apart, for 6/7/8
> speed chains. Well, that's not as big a deal as it may seem on paper. In
> practice is where the rubber meets the road. Does it work , or not ? Screw
> "the book" ! With friction shifting, technique is everything. If you're
> just pulling and pushing hard without paying attention, feeling what's
> happening, sometimes certain combos with throw the chain. Even a "proper on
> paper" setup can throw a chain. It's not something I can put into words
> easily other than to say "use finesse" , a light touch. Play with it in a
> work stand if you have one, or do it around home on the road.
>
> I have on my Bombadil a 44t Surly stainless large ring that is really
> meant for 1x gears as it has no bevels on the teeth. They say it "can" work
> with 7/8 speed chains with multiple cogs though, and 9-speed combo will
> take some "wearing" in. Hah hah ! Well I'm using it with a 9-speed chain,
> and at first it was quite sluggish to shift into certain combos, not even
> close to either cross extremes. So it took me a while to get to know how I
> had to shift in and out of it, to sort of let up on pedal pressure and feel
> for the engagement of the chain on the cogs before moving it fully over
> with the shifter. All this happens in the blink of an eye now, but a first
> it was quite a deliberate and seemingly slow motion.
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Wesley, this is useful information. An Albastache won't replace my
drop bars because I often use the hooks, but it might give more hand
positions on my Monocog 29er than the (cut down) MAP/Ahearne bar currently
on it, which, though it is the best "upright" bar I've used to date, is not
as comfortable as my drops.

The one thing that makes me hesitate about the Albastache (and other
Rivendell bars) is the width; I've learned over many years that I just
don't like bars much wider than 46 cm, shorter stems or not.

But it remains on my "definitely maybe" list.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:05 AM Wesley  wrote:

> I have an Albastache on an old road bike frame, and an albatross on an old
> MTB all-purpose tank. The albastache is great! compared to the albatross,
> it is more comfortable to grab the curve because it conforms to a natural
> arm posture with the pinky lower than the index (which is opposite to the
> rise on the albatross.) The albastache lacks an equivalent position to the
> drops on a drop bar, but over the years I've found that I never get into
> the drops, anyway. If that doesn't bother you and if your body is like
> mine, then you'll find that the positions it does have are more comfortable
> than their drop-bar equivalents.
> -W
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:30:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I entirely agree that position or fit generally is the most important
>> thing in bike comfort and riding efficiently (yes, comfort is relative; but
>> even a pro will ride faster if he is more comfortable than if he is more
>> uncomfortable, and bad fit is probably the worst thing for comfort), and I
>> agree entirely too that the entire virtue of drop bars is that they offer
>> many different positions for comfort (yes, and efficiency, but believe me,
>> tucked into the hooks against a 25 mph headwind in a 70-something fixed
>> gear is a hell of a lot more comfortable than trying to buck that wind
>> while sitting upright).
>>
>> But!! Tell me if I am right or wrong: I thought that the entire
>> smorgasbord of the many different Rivendell upright models came about
>> precisely to give more comfortable upright riding with multiple hand
>> positions -- isn't this right?
>>
>> I've not used any non-drop Riv bar since the old Priest and original
>> edition Moustache bars, but I have been tempted to try an Albastache
>> precisely because **I thought** that this was an improvement in hand
>> positions and therefore comfort over the old Albatross and Moustache bars.
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 2:51 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>>  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly underscores in his very
>>> accurate post above about the multi-position availability that the road
>>> bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars simply cannot.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Best dynamo headlight for road riding

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
The nice bright (plastic) headlight on the Dahon was a Lumotec IQ something
or another, again, no longer made.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...  A few years ago I had a high-end (if there are levels, this was an
> upper-class level model) but now (I think) discontinued headlight on my Hon
> Solo that gave a brighter and broader beam than the EI, and had a normal
> standlight -- 3 minutes or so.
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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
I entirely agree that position or fit generally is the most important thing
in bike comfort and riding efficiently (yes, comfort is relative; but even
a pro will ride faster if he is more comfortable than if he is more
uncomfortable, and bad fit is probably the worst thing for comfort), and I
agree entirely too that the entire virtue of drop bars is that they offer
many different positions for comfort (yes, and efficiency, but believe me,
tucked into the hooks against a 25 mph headwind in a 70-something fixed
gear is a hell of a lot more comfortable than trying to buck that wind
while sitting upright).

But!! Tell me if I am right or wrong: I thought that the entire smorgasbord
of the many different Rivendell upright models came about precisely to give
more comfortable upright riding with multiple hand positions -- isn't this
right?

I've not used any non-drop Riv bar since the old Priest and original
edition Moustache bars, but I have been tempted to try an Albastache
precisely because **I thought** that this was an improvement in hand
positions and therefore comfort over the old Albatross and Moustache bars.

Anyone?

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 2:51 PM George Schick  wrote:

>  Consider instead what Nick Payne so clearly underscores in his very
> accurate post above about the multi-position availability that the road
> bars offer a cyclist that upright or flat bars simply cannot.
>

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[RBW] Best dynamo headlight for road riding

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
I was going to yank the Best Dynamo Hub thread onto a tangent to suit my
own intents and purposes, but I forbore. So, a new question.

I have an Edeluxe I, have had it for 15 years or so, and it's a trooper,
but it has 2 defects:

1. The beam is rather narrow compared to later lights (and to the Edeluxe
II, I understand), and:

2. The standlight is a wimp: about 60 seconds before it turns into a
glow-worm for another 30 seconds and then goes out. (The 2015 K-Lite by
contrast still glows dimly after 5 or 6 hours; big capacitor.)

A few years ago I had a high-end (if there are levels, this was an
upper-class level model) but now (I think) discontinued headlight on my Hon
Solo that gave a brighter and broader beam than the EI, and had a normal
standlight -- 3 minutes or so.

So, 2 questions:

1. The best headlight without regarding anything but brightness, beam
width, and standlight longevity?

2. The best ditto made with a metal case? (For me, the metal case would be
a purely cosmetic advantage, but I like pretty.)

Thanks.

Since I just talked about the K-Lite: that's a wonderful off road light --
1200 lumens claimed on High -- but its beam does not have a height cutoff,
and since it is so very bright, it's impolite if not criminal to use it
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Dyno Hub?

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
FWIW, Lael Wilcox, long-distance/rough terrain/all weather rider
extraordinaire, uses, or used to use a SP hub with her K-Lite. At least,
she used this setup when she broke the Continental Divide (or was it
cross-continental?) record.

I also use a SP with my K-Lite and I can't feel any drag or notchiness
compared to my SON 20R, but this may be due to the momentum or inertia of
the very tall and fat (29 1/2" X 2.4") -- albeit very light -- SP wheel
versus the short (25.6" X 1.6") -- also very light -- SON wheel.

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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

2022-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
The SP on my Matthews dirt road bike works fine at low speeds.

This one is as smooth as my SON; an earlier SP did vibrate a bit more. My
various Shimanos were as smooth as the SON too.

My SON is the 20 R or whatever the small-wheel model used to be called;
isn't this now the "Deluxe"? At any rate, it's made for smaller wheels, so
if you choose SON you might want to choose the 28 for slower speeds.

BTW, I've had absolutely no problems with the narrow SP on 2 bikes,
currently a 700C off road bike with 32 spoke front wheel.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 9:31 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Do you have any thoughts/comparisons on the SON vs SP for low speeds? I'm
> looking to get a dynamo set up for single track bikepacking applications. I
> believe the general consensus is the SON is best at low speeds.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Brian in STL, MO
>

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[RBW] SOLD!! [FS: Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + 2 extra bag frames + extra kit, $150 shipped CONUS]

2022-07-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Sold!

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

2022-07-18 Thread Patrick Moore
That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring One
Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie fad
era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my
single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.

As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for the
dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid top-end
Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg fork; no
one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I converted
with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big Apples.
Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 mm cranks
around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated over
sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before good
sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, as my
brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other bits
lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.

I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project
using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a
> frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a
> commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some of
> the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.
>
> A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a
> Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested
> that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you
> can for the minimum amount of money.
>
> In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using
> entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly
> iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a heavily
> modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.
> Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026
>
> It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38
> chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on
> the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously
> long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings,
> which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel
> on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears
> ranging from 43 to 69 inches.
>
> There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but
> that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes its
> way onto a Roaduno.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

2022-07-18 Thread Patrick Moore
I'm glad you mentioned these, as I'd not heard of them. They look nice, and
if they stop as you say, then they are very good deals at half the price --
or less -- of Paul's.

The website does not say; how long a reach do they have? And: Will the
wider ones fit 42s and fenders? If so, I almost wish I'd had my 2020
Matthews built for these instead of cantilevers (also Paul's).

I must get a pair of those lovely non-aero levers; besides, it would be an
opportunity to finally by a HP 20 pump chuck.

Curious: Besides calling Jitensha, can you order the DC levers online
anywhere? A quick Google (v,t) did not help.

Also, unrelated except by the Jitensha site: Has anyone used these 650
latex tubes? 58 grams??? Those are lighter than the Schwalbe XL 559 X 42s I
use on the Matthews, which are a burdensome 90 grams and cost a plebian $15
each.

650 X 36-42B, latex super lightweight, made by Soyo, 34mm valve stem, 58g
 $35.00 ea

How neat would it be to have tubes that weigh the less than my extralight
571/559 X 23 mm (60 gr advertised, 70 grams actual) and cost more than some
tires I've used?

And I see that they still offer their wool-mix knickers and socks;
wonderful. Since Rick Risemberg's store is long gone, it's good to know
that really nice cycling knickers and socks are still available -- the Riv,
Swrv, etc knickers I've used simply don't fit as well as the old fashioned
type like these that are cut like regular street pants in waist and hips.



On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 6:27 PM Patch T  wrote:

> I've used a set of these Grand Bois "Chouette" long reach centerpulls for
> a conversion, using a backing plate:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/brakes.html
>
> Decent value, great looks, maybe finicky to set up, but fantastic braking
> power. I love my MiniMotos and love these, too. They have very different
> feels, but are both very effective.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 9:37:19 AM UTC-4 Pierre wrote:
>
>> Hi bunch -
>>
>> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping power
>> (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other bikes).
>>
>> Looking for an upgrade but looks like long reach Paul racer are no longer
>> produced. What are my options lately? Anyone tried Rene Herse center pulls?
>>
>> (Even toying with idea of sending frame to Bilenky to add canti studs so
>> I can run mini-motos but maybe a bit extreme...).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

2022-07-12 Thread Patrick Moore
RBW said it won't work; quoting BS quoting Riv:

*These are compatible with up to 9 speed rear derailers only. Not
compatible with SRAM rear derailers.*

But this recently appeared on the web page:

HOLY COW, FOLKS: These will shift up to 11 speeds when used with a 9/8
speed rear derailer. The latest 10/11/+ rear derailers require more cable
to be pulled making them no good but a 9 speed rear derailer will still
shift through an 11-speed cassette easily. Match your chain to your
cassette, and the 9sp rear derailer works!

In fact, BSNYC is using them to shift 12.

The main complication is indeed lever travel; and this is why I find
Suntour Barcons with more "pull per inch" better for 10 cogs than Silver1s,
even though this means that shifting takes, theoretically, a bit more care.
In practice, the Barcons work fine with 10.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a
> friction shift lever.
>
> So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, and
> the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between the
> high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no reason
> it wouldn't work.
>
> I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's a
> situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel
> because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to
> the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a
> cable, so more or less a yes or no question.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>>
>> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but
>> this is heartening news.
>>
>> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have
>> to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a
>> big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed
>> gently, and simply go to 11 first.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTT/WTB: Dura Ace GA 200/first gen crank arms, VG condition, 170 mm or something equally pretty, spare, light.

2022-07-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I am very  pleased to say that I just received a very nice 170 mm pair of
first gen DA cranks with dustcaps and 52 t ring shipped from Canada for
US$143 including paypal fee. They were shipped on the 6th, I missed a day
because I had to sign the card left in my mailbox, so that's 4 days or less
from Canada.

Thanks, all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

2022-07-11 Thread Patrick Moore
Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be
delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What
sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a
drop-bar bike.

To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking
effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would
prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear
to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium
reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or
high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever
brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and
Classic Lightweights UK websites.

IME, I tend to agree with those who say that almost all brakes work
decently, if not brilliantly, if properly set up, and if the levers are
appropriate to the brakes proper. I know that my otherwise wonderful
second-gen (? The tab-operated cam) Dura Ace single pivots worked badly,
even with salmons, pulled by 7410-era levers, while the single pivot (high
end DC? Superbe Pro?) 57 mm reach single pivot on the gofast pulled by the
same levers works very well indeed, for power and for modulation.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM lconley  wrote:

> Appearance was a large consideration when I selected the Rene
> Herse braze-on centerpull brakes for my Rivendell Custom that was intended
> as a road bike. I call it a fat man's racing bike. "Racing Bike" as in no
> braze-ons for racks, no fender eyelets, no holes in the "brake" or chain
> stay bridges, - clean stays and forks but a really long wheelbase. The long
> chainstays are balanced by the really long main triangle (62 cm ETT x 53.4
> ST). What I did not realize was how large the Rene Herse brakes are, they
> dwarf my Mafac Competition , DiaCompe, and Weinmann centerpulls. But they
> still have that fifties - sixties racing bike look. The centerpull
> braze-ons are located between the rim and the fork crown/brake bridge, so
> they are a stiffer mount that cantilevers/V-brakes whose braze-ons are
> located below the rim. Another plus for the RH centerpulls is no black or
> plastic parts like the long reach Tektros.
>
> I have never actually seen another bike with braze-on centerpulls except
> in pictures - some in the book *Japanese Steel*. I have considered at
> times having Dia-Compe braze-ons installed on my Paramount for the original
> Weinmann centerpull brakes.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on
>> them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be
>> rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look odd
>> to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell
>> should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes.
>>
>>
>> Daniel M
>>
>> Tallahassee Fl
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is
>>> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely
>>> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't
>>> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it
>>> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road
>>> frame.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

2022-07-11 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot to mention that, as with mechanical disc brakes that many people
complain about, there really is no problem, at least in my not
inconsequential experience, shifting 9+ speeds in friction using just about
any shifter and rd combination. The Barcons, the 7401 rd, and an 11-sp
chain shift 10 close-ratio cogs very, very well, better than any friction
8-speed setup I've used. Interesting; back almost 20 years ago, I had the
same experience shifting close ratio Am Classic 10 sp cogs with Simplex
retrofriction dt shifters pulling the same rd or its 7400 or 7402 sibling;
not just acceptable, but wonderfully. Hell, friction shifting 10 cogs is
smoother than any 7-speed Shimano indexed system I used.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:10 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>
> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but this
> is heartening news.
>
> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have to
> swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a big-enough
> granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed gently,
> and simply go to 11 first.
>
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[RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

2022-07-11 Thread Patrick Moore
https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189

I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but this
is heartening news.

I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have to
swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a big-enough
granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed gently,
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[RBW] Non-bike but pro-Grant: racial justice.

2022-07-04 Thread Patrick Moore
In his blahgs Grant has dwelt on racial injustice against blacks, and
rectification of this injustice. I disagree profoundly with Grant on very
many things, but I perceive and value Grant's fundamental desire for
justice -- I think Grant's heart is wiser than his head.

Whatever, I think this anecdote is close enough to Grant's interests to
merit posting here. You can always create a filter for my posts.

A good 8-9 years ago a young man began attending liturgy at our church --
All Saints of North America, of the Orthodox Church in America jurisdiction
(note: not American Orthodox Church" but "Orthodox Church in America").

He's huge; 6'2 or 3" and wide; no fat, just 250 lb of bone and muscle. He's
pure white; even whiter than my father, who was pure WASP. He's now in his
40s; 20+ years ago he was a White supremacist and one of ABQ's most violent
and wanted criminals. He did time and came out the other end.

He used to ride to liturgy on a huge, rat-rod Yamaha, and told me he
delighted in tearing up the roads and scaring other drivers on it. I could
sense the violence and conflict in him.

He trained through a state program as a HVAC technician, went through a
painful divorce, but managed to maintain his equilibrium.

Eventually, in ~2017-2018, he married a Black woman, moved to KS City MO. I
helped him with the move, and he named me best man at his wedding. As
preliminary and somewhat tongue in cheek wedding present I gave him several
CDs of origin reggae: Peter Tosh, Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley, as I
was converting my collection to MP3. The real wedding gift was a
hand-painted Orthodox triptych of the Theotokos and Child from Ethiopia.

I didn't hear from him for several years, but on Sunday 7/3 he showed up on
a visit, and we talked.

He's in KS City, MO, thriving, working for a HVAC company he respects and
likes, and volunteering for the KS City, MO NAACP (which he described as
largely idle) and for another, smaller Black rights organization, which is
more active.

>From what he told me, KS City, MO is a lingering bastion of
white-versus-black racism. This surprised me, even as one whose father (in
but not of his place and time; hell, he married a Filipina) grew up in
1930s Jim Crow Atlanta, and one old enough to remember "Colored" gas
station bathrooms and drinking fountains, and pickups with signs
advertising KKK rallies on Stone Mountain, in the Decatur, GA town square.

Partly due to his efforts, the racist KS City, MO police chief was finally
removed from office after many years.

And this is the kicker and warms my heart: he told me that when he shows up
in situations where white KS City, MO cops are hassling black citizens,
"The cops just melt away."

I don't know if this is because they know he'll cause legal, social, and
political trouble, or because he instills a sense of guilt, but I expect it
is at least in part because (1) he has street cred from his criminal past
and jail time, (2) because no one is whiter than he, and (3) because he's
just big and solid enough that you just don't mess with him.

I wholly scorn the ideology that "white" people are intrinsically racist
and that the growth of this country was driven by nothing more than
white-on-black racism; racism or discrimination generally has existed
across all history and cultures and ethnic groups; like the residents of
Irish seacoasts sold into slavery by North African pirates, or the periodic
resentment and violence against ethnic Chinese by the Malay majority in
Malaysia and Indonesia; or the decades-long ethnic strife and massacres
between Tamils and indigenes in Sri Lanka, or the tribal conflicts in
modern black Africa.

But there's no serious question that White versus Black hatred was more
poisonous and corrosive in the US than elsewhere, helped largely by
neo-Darwinist "survival of fittest" racial superiority ideologies oddly
combined with perverted Old Testament "chosen people" ideologies. So my
friend's success in life and society is good news amongst the general
confusion and chaos and darkness one reads in the mass media.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

2022-07-02 Thread Patrick Moore
I have to say -- and I bear conscientiously in mind that others have their
own standards for bike fit and comfort; but I have to say that the bar and
stem juxtaposed with that particular bike make me wince. I personally would
think very hard about a sweepback bar -- or another bike entirely --
instead.

Why? The stem and bar show that the rider needs a setup that this
frame/bike is not designed to give.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore, whose first 26" wheel road custom was designed around the
All Rounder model (steepened angles, road tubing and lugs) -- anecdote,
boring, avoid if sensitive: I talked to Grant in early 4th Q 1994 and said:
"I want a bike for road riding that rides better than my 1992 XO-1." Grant
said: "Oh, it'll be better." And so it was. But the result was a 54 cm st
c-c (for me, who was measured for 60cm level-tube c-c by a pro). Later,
having received, ridden, and been delighted by the bike, I told Grant: "I'm
going to announce my size on the iBoblist." Grant said, "Don't you dare."

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Nice bike but I don't think the "2003 custom" title is accurate,
> especially as he says it was repainted only a year later. I believe it's a
> mid-'90s Waterford All Rounder.
>
> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Custom
>> 49cm
>> $3,285
>> Vero Beach, FL
>>
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3372283/
>>
>> [image: p6pb22849817.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Heron
>>> 61cm
>>> $2,000
>>> Santa Montica, CA
>>>
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3366921/
>>>
>>> [image: p6pb22809883.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Atlantis
>>>> 56cm
>>>> 1800
>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>
>>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis/7500600207.html
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

2022-06-29 Thread Patrick Moore
bw-owners-bunch/topics>
>>
>>- Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + extra
>>kit $150 shipped CONUS
>><#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_0> - 2
>>Updates
>>- Rain! What do you ride?
>><#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_1> - 8
>>Updates
>>- Kilts! <#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_2>
>>- 4 Updates
>>- FS: The brakelevers you want for your Gus or Susie build
>><#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_3> - 1
>>Update
>>- FS: Rivendell tee, Big Agnes pad, derailers (mostly free), wool,
>>etc. <#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_4> - 1
>>Update
>>- FS: Good basic 700C road wheelset
>><#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_5> - 1
>>Update
>>
>> Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + extra kit $150
>> shipped CONUS
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/ac3efd7bfe28ddd1?utm_source=digest_medium=email>
>> Patrick Moore : Jun 27 01:35PM -0600
>>
>> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo than
>> it is in real life.
>>
>> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
>> sizes.
>>
>> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with
>> side
>> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>>
>> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over
>> those,
>> with room to expose the 2 Seculites attached to seatstay rack bosses.
>>
>> Please reply offlist to bertin753 [at] gmail.com.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> PS: A TA 170 mm Pro 5 Vis crankset (actually, arms, single very used 46 t
>> ring + ss hardware) in otherwise v good condition may soon be advertised
>> for sale; watch this space.
>>
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>> Patrick Moore : Jun 28 02:45AM -0600
>>
>> I forgot to include the 2 bag-mount frames that allow you to use the SQR
>> release with Nelson or Camper or other similar saddlebags. Prices still
>> $150 shipped CONUS.
>>
>> One of these frames has been bent about to get it to work in various odd
>> situations, and the resulting marks covered with tape; it still works
>> fine.
>> The other frame is as new.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo than
>> it is in real life.
>>
>> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different
>> sizes.
>>
>> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with
>> side
>> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>>
>> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over
>> those,
>> with room to expose the 2 Seculites attached to seatstay rack bosses.
>>
>> Please reply offlist to bertin753 [at] gmail.com.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> PS: A TA 170 mm Pro 5 Vis crankset (actually, arms, single very used 46 t
>> ring + ss hardware) in otherwise v good condition may soon be advertised
>> for sale; watch this space.
>> Back to top <#m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_digest_top>
>> Rain! What do you ride?
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/56bf55f8bb035271?utm_source=digest_medium=email>
>> Patrick Moore : Jun 27 12:54PM -0600
>>
>> My interest may sound odd from someone riding in the desert, but precisely
>> because rain is so relatively rare here (9" citywide average between 14"
>> foothills and 5" Westside) that when it arrives, it's interesting.
>>
>> We've had the earliest and rainiest start to our SW Monsoon season in
>> years
>> if not decades, considerably reducing the fire danger so great just a
>> couple of weeks ago (when there was a bush fire just 1 mile south of me;
>> and I live along the bosque). We must have had as much as 2" of rain in
>> the
>> last 2 weeks, with more forecast.
>>
>> I wanted to ride in the rain to church yesterday morning, but was tired
>> and
>> late, and the rain kept off despite lowering clouds on morning's ride,
>> although I carefully rode the Matthews 1:1 with new 4 1/2" front fender
>> flap and carried my cape and so'wester.
>>
>> On the way out 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rain! What do you ride?

2022-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I should have said that I want a rain ensemble (bike + clothing) that
decants me in presentable form at church or restaurant or store. And oh my,
oh yes, fenders, please; nothing more horrible than -- it's not the
*water* kicked
up by the wheels that is so annoying, it's the *mud and grit.*



On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 2:36 PM Garth  wrote:

> I don't ride a lot in the rain. If I'm out and rains it rains, if I'm home
> and it's raining good I likely will either wait or go for a walk. Back in
> the 80's I had some Bellweather pants and jacket that were just mildly rain
> resistant but I never died from ever getting wet. I've been wearing various
> hooded windbreakers since. I've wanted to get a packable rain jacket, but I
> never met one that I wanted to buy. Not a cycling rain jacket, I hate
> cycling specific jackets, just a all purpose rain jacket I can wear all
> year long, be very lightweight and packable to the size of a 29 oz. can of
> tomatoes, or so. It also had to have a trim fit and a well fitting hood
> that covers my chin and cinches around my face if I want. It had to be able
> to pass body heat vapor well too not only during rain but also when dry.
> This year I finally saw something that looked interesting, a Montbell Rain
> Trekker made with seam taped Gore Infinium Windstopper fabric. It
> supposedly was waterproof enough and pass enough body vapor not to die from
> heat exhaustion without the need for other ventilation, so I tried it. I've
> put it to the test real good, getting hammered by some sustained downpours
> in the 50's and 60's and worn it on a dry cloudy turned sunny day in the
> low to mid 60's. I was pleasantly surprised it did well as both, so good
> enough to carry with me in my bag, and weighs a mere 7 ounces in the large.
>
> I do have a couple of pair of Sportful Norain Fiandre Pro bib shorts that
> are quite water resistant from the DWR surface treatment and it really does
> keep shorts from getting soaked, and they're lightly fleeced inside so
> don't get that chilling effect that slick poly/lycra does.
>
> I like natural plastic clothing for bike riding as like everything else
> there's really fine fabrics and there's really crappy fabrics.
>
> Other that, I enjoy the outdoors and if it rains start singing just
> because I can. One bike has fenders and one doesn't. I can't say it much
> matters either way to me, well no, I really prefer a plain ol' road bike
> w/o fenders.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain! What do you ride?

2022-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I've found that rain capes, at least in warm weather (and we get our rain
in the summer) offer the best combination of protection from wet and
ventilation. In fact, after using various Carradices, I fell back on the
cheap, $30 (and no longer available, I think) lightweight nylon cycling
cape from Campmor, since it best keeps the heat from building up (the worst
was the Duckback waxed cotton cape), only I removed the horrible leg
harness and sewed on a couple of stacks of big metal washers at the back to
hold it down back there. It has a hood, and wearing the hood over a cycling
cap, for the brim, helps keep glasses clear enough to see through while
also keeping hair and neck dry.

I don't like cycling in sandals, but I agree that legs bare from knee to
ankle are fine left open to the elements. I would like to find a pair of
Splats, though; also dislike wet shoes.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:29 PM Wesley  wrote:

> I have extensive experience with this even though I no longer live in a
> rainy place.
>
> You can ride any bike. Fenders make all the difference if you'd like to
> look presentable when you get where you're going. I would wear sandals
> because they dry out, or heavy rubber boots when I feel like having warm
> feet. Add a light rain shell to keep my upper body dry. Head, glasses,
> pants: let them get wet. They'll dry off soon enough.
> -W
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain! What do you ride?

2022-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
A quick search and review of prices and features: this looks very
appealing; thanks. Gortex and pit zips.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 2:02 PM Wesley  wrote:

> I've owned (I think) four copies of the Marmot Precip jacket over the
> years. It's an excellent minimalist and inexpensive rain shell - just a
> single layer of GoreTex with a hood and zip-up armpit vents.
>

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[RBW] Rain! What do you ride?

2022-06-27 Thread Patrick Moore
My interest may sound odd from someone riding in the desert, but precisely
because rain is so relatively rare here (9" citywide average between 14"
foothills and 5" Westside) that when it arrives, it's interesting.

We've had the earliest and rainiest start to our SW Monsoon season in years
if not decades, considerably reducing the fire danger so great just a
couple of weeks ago (when there was a bush fire just 1 mile south of me;
and I live along the bosque). We must have had as much as 2" of rain in the
last 2 weeks, with more forecast.

I wanted to ride in the rain to church yesterday morning, but was tired and
late, and the rain kept off despite lowering clouds on morning's ride,
although I carefully rode the Matthews 1:1 with new 4 1/2" front fender
flap and carried my cape and so'wester.

On the way out and back I passed a group of young mothers along the bosque
bike trail shepherding a large group of very small children having the time
of their lives riding little bikes in the mud and playing in a big mud
puddle. Funny, you don't see small children playing in the puddles
nowadays, but I remember having great fun, age about the same as these
children playing in the flooded, muddy field across the street from my
house; rather like Christopher Robin in the WtP story.

But I'm curious, what do all y'all in rainy places wear and ride on in
rainy weather? I find it fun to imagine the ideal rain bike: fixed gear (no
damned ss freewheel to complicate things), full oil-bath chaincase, full
fenders, with front extending 1/4 of the way around the forward curve of
the tire, and flap skimming the tarmac, with skirts covering the spokes on
the trailing 1/4 of the front wheel and forward 1/4 of the rear wheel;
clips 'n' straps with toe covers; dyno lighting mounted sufficiently low to
clear front and rear raincape overhang; have I missed anything?

Oh, and while I've found that rain capes keep you perfectly dry from neck
to knee even in SW downpours with howling winds -- I commuted extensively
years ago across town with various rain capes, waxed cotton, various grades
of plastic --  (and so'westers keep one dry from neck to crown) my lower
legs and feet get wet. I guess this is where Splats come in handy?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-26 Thread Patrick Moore
Well done! I am sincerely and truly impressed!


On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:42 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> My first 100k ride is in the books!
>
> Every year my bike club does a tour around the county. You choose a route
> and sign up. I was going to do a 50 mile ride; my longest ride so far is 35
> miles, so I thought this would be a good starting point. I’ve never been on
> a tour, and I don’t know how fast the Club expects one to go - is this like
> a weekly club ride or something different?
>
> T talked me into a metric century. I’ve said before, I have stars in my
> eyes for this amazing woman and if she says I can do 62 miles, I’m doing 62
> miles. My MNR leader was heading up the group, 15-16 mph would be the pace.
> There would be 2 SAG stops. Here is my Racing Platypus before the ride:
>


> Of course when we rolled up there were roadies as far as the eye could see
> and a bike like this is bound to attract attention. Lucky for me, I spotted
> Marc immediately. It is less weird when there is a second Rivendell:
> He rode a shorter route, as his family was in town.
>
> So, after some onlookers gawked at my bike and the length of my
> chainstays, I headed out. There were ponds and swamps and ditches full of
> wild lilies. Just when I think Michigan can’t be prettier, it suddenly is.
> 30 miles in, we stopped for our first SAG break. One of these things is not
> like the others in this video…
>


> On my way out of the bathroom, a roadie approached me and asked if I was
> riding in “those sandals.” I said, “I am! And I think I’m going to pull it
> off, too.” He said, “I think I’ve heard about you. There were some people
> talking, they said, ‘She has fenders and everything.’” This is how I
> *know* I am not imagining my incongruence in the eyes of the group. Well,
> whatever. I’ll see you at the finish line.
>
> At the next SAG stop my ride leader, G, went to reapply chamois cream. I
> said he should try a leather saddle - mine disappears beneath me and I
> never think of it. I don’t use cream and I don’t wear padded shorts. He
> pointed to his impossibly small, evil, plasticky perch and said, “I love
> this saddle.” I said something nice and moved on, lest I be guilty of the
> same crimes the roadies commit against me. Then he asked if he could pick
> up my bike, to see how heavy it was. He declared it wasn’t as bad as he
> thought.
>
> We finished out the rest of the ride fighting winds and fatigue - the
> route was not actually 62 miles, but nearly 65. We were ready to be
> finished by then; it was a great ride but it taught me that I don’t need to
> do a century. Riding stops being fun around 55 miles, I think.
>
> G declared me the winner of the Best Rider Award in the group award. What
> probably won me that distinction, in his eyes, was that I finished, despite
> rocking Billie Bars. He just cannot get over those upright Billie Bars. But
> if upright bars are such a hindrance, how do you explain my ride today?
> What if you can ride steel, carry your steel, 40 oz capacity Hydroflask,
> your Saddlesack, and wear your Keen sandals and Target athleisure and
> finish at the front of your group? Presented with that evidence, would a
> person have to reconsider?
>
> My Racing Platypus is the best bike ever made. It hums along and does
> whatever is asked of it. It’s sparkly and gorgeous, and I so love to look
> down at on the ride. I’m comfortable. It’s capable. That bike does not
> limit me. When will everyone catch on? When the Platypus presale link
> drops, I’m posting it on the Club’s Facebook page. It is my dearest wish to
> dot the Michigan countryside with Platypuses.
> Leah
>

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[RBW] WTB: Rene Herse Naches Pass EL tires, vg condition

2022-06-25 Thread Patrick Moore
If you have some -- again, EL, vg -- I'm looking for a pair or a
pair-and-a-half.

Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTT/WTB: Dura Ace GA 200/first gen crank arms, VG condition, 170 mm or something equally pretty, spare, light.

2022-06-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot to add: As pretty as the Topline is, the GA-200 better matches the
aesthetic of this bike.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:21 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Topline Superlight, anyone?*
>
> This would be a vanity component on a vanity bike, tho' a bike that I not
> only ride, but which is my all-time favorite bike, that 1999 Riv Joe Starck
> fixie custom. I will use it with a 52 t ring and a 17 t cog to replace the
> current 46-t Pro 5 Vis crank and 15 t cog.
>
> My vanity insists on pretty and very light. The GA 200 is very light; at
> least my present one is. Alas, my present one has, unknown when I bought it
> (tho' I should have foreseen this, given the low price on eBay) a groove
> worn on the inside right arm by a stupidly misadjusted fd. I say, and
> insist on, and repeat, "STOOOPID!!!" because how can you not hear or care
> about the ongoing noise of your fd scooping metal from your right crank arm?
>
> * IMO, and I realize tastes are individual, but IMO, these were the
> prettiest cranks ever made, anytime, anywhere, except perhaps for some of
> those skeletally ethereal, top-end steel cranks from the pre-aluminum era.
> Delicate, chichi, CNC-machined; I had one on my hot rodded '92 gofast XO-1,
> transfered to my first, 1995 Riv Road custom before it was degraded to
> fixed gear commuter duty with, when I sold it. I had cracked the arm at the
> spindle mounting point by neurotically over-torquing the mounting bolt, and
> Topline said, "Well, there you go," but gave me a break on a replacement.
> Wish I'd kept that crank. But the GA-200 is close.
>
> The 7410 is very, very pretty too, but I think heavier, and requires a 103
> mm bb spindle.
>
> Other suggestions welcome (again, pretty, v. light).
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] ISO/WTT/WTB: Dura Ace GA 200/first gen crank arms, VG condition, 170 mm or something equally pretty, spare, light.

2022-06-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Topline Superlight, anyone?*

This would be a vanity component on a vanity bike, tho' a bike that I not
only ride, but which is my all-time favorite bike, that 1999 Riv Joe Starck
fixie custom. I will use it with a 52 t ring and a 17 t cog to replace the
current 46-t Pro 5 Vis crank and 15 t cog.

My vanity insists on pretty and very light. The GA 200 is very light; at
least my present one is. Alas, my present one has, unknown when I bought it
(tho' I should have foreseen this, given the low price on eBay) a groove
worn on the inside right arm by a stupidly misadjusted fd. I say, and
insist on, and repeat, "STOOOPID!!!" because how can you not hear or care
about the ongoing noise of your fd scooping metal from your right crank arm?

* IMO, and I realize tastes are individual, but IMO, these were the
prettiest cranks ever made, anytime, anywhere, except perhaps for some of
those skeletally ethereal, top-end steel cranks from the pre-aluminum era.
Delicate, chichi, CNC-machined; I had one on my hot rodded '92 gofast XO-1,
transfered to my first, 1995 Riv Road custom before it was degraded to
fixed gear commuter duty with, when I sold it. I had cracked the arm at the
spindle mounting point by neurotically over-torquing the mounting bolt, and
Topline said, "Well, there you go," but gave me a break on a replacement.
Wish I'd kept that crank. But the GA-200 is close.

The 7410 is very, very pretty too, but I think heavier, and requires a 103
mm bb spindle.

Other suggestions welcome (again, pretty, v. light).

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel building, 36 into 32: in case it's of interest to non-i-Bob-list-members.

2022-06-21 Thread Patrick Moore
This just in: In another thread on the iboblist, someone called Velocity
and confirmed that Velocity is willing to drill 36 holes in their A23 rim.
The context was 559/26" rims, but I daresay if they'll do it for one rim
they'll do it for another. Can't vouch for eyeballs.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:47 AM Kevin Reinking 
wrote:

> I'm guessing you were joking, but those painted rims would probably be a
> poor choice for a rim brake bike; intended for disc. really
>
> I've often wondered about the possibility of a 32 hole rim with 36 hole
> hub; figured it could be done, but I've always been able to adapt or come
> up with an alternative to that. I am guessing that it probably depends a
> lot on the type or rim used, likely one with minimal offset at the spoke
> holes.
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 2:59:40 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Love this - Thank you. I have a lot of hubs sitting around, all 36 hole
>> and Retrogression has some beautiful NOS Australian Velocity Deep-V rims
>> (like those on my Trek District) 700C, 32 hole only and I didn't want to
>> buy new hubs in order to use them. I want to put the Yellow rims on my
>> Flanker Green Rosco Bubbe V1. I don't know what to put the eyeballs on, but
>> I have to have them.
>> [image: Yellow.JPG][image: Googlyeyes.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:24:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Someone posted this in a discussion of lightish, rim-brake 559 rims. It
>>> might allow someone to buy 32 rims for 36 hubs, or doubtless v-v, and thus
>>> makes this sparsely populated rim field a bit more populous.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.instructables.com/Lacing-Bike-Wheel-36-Holes-Hub-to-32-Holes-Rim/
>>>
>>> If anyone has any matched pairs of ~ road-weight, ~road-width, rim-brake
>>> 559 rims for sale, please let me know. My 2 faves right now are:
>>>
>>> 1. Sun Ringle EQ 21, 360 gram, 21 mm OW, and:
>>> 2. Sun M14A "semi-aero", 19 mm OW (apparently consistency varies, but my
>>> digital scale says 360 grams to 390 grams).
>>>
>>> But happy to look at anything 24 mm OW or narrower, and 450 grams or
>>> lighter.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] And the winner is Ryan Hankinson [Tifosi sunglasses CLAIMED]

2022-06-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Ryan: I have your address and will mail before too long, as long as I get
to define what that means. But not too far in the future. I've got your
address. Will alert when I mail.

Patrick

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:58 PM Ryan Hankinson 
wrote:

> I will jump in line if Phil and others still don’t appreciate your offer
> to follow through.
>

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

2022-06-20 Thread Patrick Moore
Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.

I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a year
than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled several times
per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned several of
these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as good as old
Toyotas.

What are those tires?

Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for certain.

If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably wonderful
lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires indeed. What
model G-One, and how do you find them?

Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed
pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson 
wrote:

> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always
> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will
> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail.
>
> Daniel MacPherson
> Tallahassee, Fl
>
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[RBW] Wheel building, 36 into 32: in case it's of interest to non-i-Bob-list-members.

2022-06-20 Thread Patrick Moore
Someone posted this in a discussion of lightish, rim-brake 559 rims. It
might allow someone to buy 32 rims for 36 hubs, or doubtless v-v, and thus
makes this sparsely populated rim field a bit more populous.

https://www.instructables.com/Lacing-Bike-Wheel-36-Holes-Hub-to-32-Holes-Rim/

If anyone has any matched pairs of ~ road-weight, ~road-width, rim-brake
559 rims for sale, please let me know. My 2 faves right now are:

1. Sun Ringle EQ 21, 360 gram, 21 mm OW, and:
2. Sun M14A "semi-aero", 19 mm OW (apparently consistency varies, but my
digital scale says 360 grams to 390 grams).

But happy to look at anything 24 mm OW or narrower, and 450 grams or
lighter.

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Re: [RBW] Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard

2022-06-20 Thread Patrick Moore
This device is far too light and flexible to provide any support even for a
light bag; it's sole purpose is to be a stand-off to keep the back of the
bag from rubbing the stays or brake cable.

It works well for its purpose, *BUT!* it is prone to fall off at least on
some bikes if held in place only by it's designed-in tension and the
pressure of the bag; mine fell of into the rear wheel, fortunately at
walking speed so that the wheel was not hurt, and I was able to bend the
device back into shape. I use mine now only with a velcro security strap.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:22 AM RichS  wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience with this piece of hardware? They're out
> of stock at Riv but Crust has them in stock. If the Wire Guard provides
> enough "lift" it would enable me to use my Carradice Pendle bag.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-wire-guard-20189
> Thanks very much for your feedback.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
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[RBW] Those Tifosi cycling sunglasses: they are again available, free.

2022-06-19 Thread Patrick Moore
The first claimant didn't get my acknowledgement message and bought himself
a pair, so these are again available.

A "Phil" was the next in line; if he sees this and still wants them, will
he please get in touch offlist: bertin...@gmail.com.

If "Phil" does not respond in 24 hours, I'll toss them to the lists.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-19 Thread Patrick Moore
Yes, that's what I see. Thanks again all.

OTOH, one big advantage for me with the email interface is convenience: I
can create a "Lists" list including iBob, RBW, CR, and -- just saw this on
Google Groups! -- a Trikes list and dump it all into one "big list" on
which I can rapidly scan all headings and delete all -- 2/3 to 3/4 -- that
I don't want to read; more on some lists than RBW list; and filter out the
few annoying people (like the one who privately posted an obscenity to me,
not on this list), and then easily archive messages to any 1 or more of a
score or so of labels/files, as for 559 rims and tires, derailleurs,
shipping, and so on.

So, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 12:59 PM Garth  wrote:

> It looks like this in a web browser 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Ryan and Garth: thank you. IOW, the answer to my question is "Yes."

I have already made a new "Favorites" link on my toolbar for this address.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-18 Thread Patrick Moore
And I forgot to say, but really mean: thank you!

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 12:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ya know Paul, you might just have shoved my ancient, doddering mind into
> the late 20th century. My default way to view gmail has been, is now, and
> was until this point to go to Google and click on Gmail and enter my log-in
> information. It never occurred to me that there was a web-way to view Gmail
> -- well, I know how to view the archives; perhaps that's the same thing;
> but trying it just now on one of the offending messages, yep, sure, the
> offending images docilely remained sized to fit a normal screen. Who'd'a
> thunk?
>
> Naive question: Is viewing the RBW list via groups.google.com what is
> meant by *viewing the list on the web* versus *via email*?
>
> Patrick "Now listen, I was accessing Lexis Nexis via dialup modem on a 64K
> PC in 1985, don't talk to me about technology" Moore, from back when
> sorting a 6K-person mailing list was something you left the computer on to
> do overnight," in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:56 AM Paul Clifton 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - Settings
>> - General - Images
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
>> It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to
>> groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.
>>
>> I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent
>> the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also.
>>
>> Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using
>> email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure
>> Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their
>> internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need
>> it for (email based notification and support), but they're being
>> purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking
>> it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike
>> photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize
>> their images before posting or add them as attachments.
>>
>> I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social
>> network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this
>> point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify,
>>>> what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in
>>>> which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group via
>>>> that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view any
>>>> other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a web
>>>> browser ?
>>>>
>>>> If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of what
>>>> you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a screenshot
>>>> of the mesages with the photos ?
>>>>
>>>> I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea
>>>> what it appears as !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Ya know Paul, you might just have shoved my ancient, doddering mind into
the late 20th century. My default way to view gmail has been, is now, and
was until this point to go to Google and click on Gmail and enter my log-in
information. It never occurred to me that there was a web-way to view Gmail
-- well, I know how to view the archives; perhaps that's the same thing;
but trying it just now on one of the offending messages, yep, sure, the
offending images docilely remained sized to fit a normal screen. Who'd'a
thunk?

Naive question: Is viewing the RBW list via groups.google.com what is meant
by *viewing the list on the web* versus *via email*?

Patrick "Now listen, I was accessing Lexis Nexis via dialup modem on a 64K
PC in 1985, don't talk to me about technology" Moore, from back when
sorting a 6K-person mailing list was something you left the computer on to
do overnight," in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:56 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> One workaround worth trying - disable external images in Gmail - Settings
> - General - Images
> [image: Screenshot 2022-06-17 093305.jpg]
> It MIGHT remove all inline images from posts. Then you can go to
> groups.google.com to look at them later, if you want.
>
> I can't find a tool to force Gmail or Chrome to resize images to prevent
> the overflow, and the image size thing is a problem in the web UI also.
>
> Email is actually the cause of this problem as far as I can tell. Using
> email for forums is really inefficient (software/IT-wise), and I'm sure
> Google wants to kill off Groups. But I think it's become part of their
> internal workflow, so they keep supporting it for the use cases they need
> it for (email based notification and support), but they're being
> purposefully antagonistic about the image thing. I think they're bricking
> it just enough so that people quit using it for things like sharing bike
> photos. I don't think there's much we can do except ask people to resize
> their images before posting or add them as attachments.
>
> I like email a lot, but the user interfaces for using it as a social
> network really haven't kept up with they way people share stuff. At this
> point, it would be an expensive passion project to try to make it work.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> 2018 hotrodded MacBook Air 13, Big Sur, Safari.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 7.24.19 AM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:33 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> You say you* get email via gmail, not via website. * Please clarify,
>>> what is the host device, operating system and browser(if desktop OS) in
>>> which you view gmail though ?  Are you saying you* view this group via
>>> that gmail* (regardles of the OS), as a list, like you would view any
>>> other email contact list of messages, rather than as web page via a web
>>> browser ?
>>>
>>> If you view it via gmail as a "list", Can you post a screenshot of what
>>> you see when you view this group as a list via gmail ? Include a screenshot
>>> of the mesages with the photos ?
>>>
>>> I've never viewed the group as a list though gmail so I have no idea
>>> what it appears as !
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, all.

First, yes, I also have suggested attaching instead of embedding huge image
files, but alas to no avail.

I get email via gmail not via website.

As to right-clicking, it's not the image that's the problem, it's the
surrounding text.

And I try reducing the page size but some images are so big that when all
fits onto my 42" wide screen the text is too small to read comfortably.

I've taken to deleting such messages without reading them. Again, high-def
gaming monitor (LG, cost me a cool $1K in 2016 or so.)

Patrick "damned kids, get off my lawn" Moore

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:44 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have a gaming-quality, 42" monitor (used for work, so I can see 3 Word
> docs side by side at 100% or normal magnification from 24-30" away), and
> when opening some recent posts with photo files in the text, the text
> spreads considerably beyond the limits of this large screen. All images are
> at 100%, not expanded.
>
> How can I get these posts entirely onto my screen, so that I don't have to
> shift the image from side to side to see it all?
>
> Others don't seem to have this problem.
>
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Reading posts with huge photo files embedded in the text

2022-06-16 Thread Patrick Moore
I have a gaming-quality, 42" monitor (used for work, so I can see 3 Word
docs side by side at 100% or normal magnification from 24-30" away), and
when opening some recent posts with photo files in the text, the text
spreads considerably beyond the limits of this large screen. All images are
at 100%, not expanded.

How can I get these posts entirely onto my screen, so that I don't have to
shift the image from side to side to see it all?

Others don't seem to have this problem.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's your biggest tire on AH Hilsen?

2022-06-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Just a remark about 38 mm tires on Open Pro rims. If you worry that
38s are too wide for those rims, fear not; I rode 50s on 19 mm rims
(OW) for thousands of miles on rough dirt tracks with absolutely no
problem; and I presently ride 71 mm tires on 24 mm (OW) rims on dirt
tracks (tubeless tires, non-tubeless rims, lotsa tape,13 psi,
sealant); again, no problem. I think that Mavic states a 28 m max
width for one of two reasons: remote liability concerns, or optimum
tire cross-section profile.

And I see that Mavic offers the Open Pro in the 650C/571 bead seat
diameter size; who'd 'a thunk?

Patrick Moore, whose 41 mm Naches Passes have the perfect
cross-section profile on Sun Ringle EQ 21s (21 mm OW).

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 9:34 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>
> Curious about this as well... I have a 2011 waterford homer.  I purchased it 
> complete off a list member here and then rebuilt it with parts I had been 
> saving.  Running 38mm panaracer pasela tires on 700c mavic open pro rims (Not 
> recommended, I know).  There is plenty of room for fenders but looking at the 
> clearance at the chainstays I wouldn't push it much much more (definitely not 
> on these rims).  Could maybe fit a 40mm tire.  I will say that I think fire 
> roads are a blast on a 38mm tire.   I will also say that this is the most 
> comfortable bike I have ever owned.
>
> Jamin
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7 Sean Cleary wrote:
>>
>> Since its arrival in 2011, my Hilsen has had s many personalities in the 
>> way of bars, stems, saddles, shifters, racks and tires. Oh, and bags...lots 
>> and lots of bags! Great to have bikes with such flexibility...
>>
>> Latest idea is to make it more rail trail-specific, requiring the largest 
>> tire I can fit. What's the largest tire you've enjoyed using and what rim 
>> (width) are you running?
>>
>> How many are using brakes other than Tektro?
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Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

2022-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore
There are a surprising number of usable 26" road tires, starting with the
perennial Paselas and Kojaks. But Rene Herse has the ineffably nice 28 mm
(labeled 32) Elk Pass, truly one of the nicest tires I've ever ridden. The
42 mm Naches Pass is probably too wide for that bike.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 1:59 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Yes, I should have been more clear - the bars just caught my eye, and your
> setup is new to me. It looks nice! I was surprised to read that you've
> found it difficult to get 26" road tires, since that wheel size is so
> universal. But I checked it out and you're right that all of the 26" road
> tires are for commuters. I'll file that under "good to know"!
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 11:59:35 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Patrick:
>> I took the original comment on the bar as a positive. The angled inverted
>> mustache bars are nice for a senior citizen back. The Walnut studio grip
>> has held up well.  As to other observation of “so many things wrong,” that
>> seems to violate the list rules of etiquette. I’ll leave it to the
>> moderator to opine there. The bike has about 17k miles on it and most have
>> been really nice ones.
>>
>> My point was just to share that the wheel size works if you need it.
>> While 26” tires are around in the 28 - 32 size this bike was made for, road
>> wheels (other than custom builds) are getting scarcer in that size.  Brake
>> bridge location was at times an issue on this model. I’m not extolling it
>> as the next big thing.
>>
>> Ymmv
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Alas, the selection of tires available for the 650C size was miniscule in
>> 2015, and may be less than miniscule now, and those available were mostly
>> 23 mm models, tho' I think Terry made a rather heavy 28 mm model. Tho' the
>> selection of good road-capable 559 tires is small, it's a heckofalot bigger
>> than that for 571.
>>
>> There's only about 1/4" radial difference between 559 and 571 sizes: my
>> 650C wheels with 23 mm Pro Races measured about 24.5" in diameter, my 559
>> wheels with 23 mm Turbos measured 24" in diameter. Past tense for both.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who still has a small stash of Sun ME14A 650C rims waiting
>> for the time when BQ introduces its full line of 571 tires, from 26 mm to
>> 60 mm in smooth and knobby models.
>>
>> And, yes, that bar. So, so many things wrong. (But if the rider found it
>> the best solution to needs, and this is not merely a desperate attempt to
>> make an unrideable bike rideble, more power to him/her.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 8:07 AM Fullylugged  wrote:
>>
>>> In the course of work on another bike, a set of 650c (571mm) wheels
>>> became surplus. Just to see, I tried them on my 52cm Rambouillet. The 50
>>> and 52 Ram sizes are built for 26” (559mm) wheels. And yes they fit just
>>> fine.  Plenty of room to adjust the brake pads on the stock Tiagra Calipers
>>> Riv shipped on the bikes.  In case you need wheels and 26” road selection
>>> is too limited, you can look at this size too.
>>>
>>> Still Fullylugged…..
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Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

2022-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Bruce: I apologize for the comment, which I should have kept to myself.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 12:59 PM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Patrick:
> I took the original comment on the bar as a positive. The angled inverted
> mustache bars are nice for a senior citizen back. The Walnut studio grip
> has held up well.  As to other observation of “so many things wrong,” that
> seems to violate the list rules of etiquette. I’ll leave it to the
> moderator to opine there. The bike has about 17k miles on it and most have
> been really nice ones.
>
> My point was just to share that the wheel size works if you need it.
> While 26” tires are around in the 28 - 32 size this bike was made for, road
> wheels (other than custom builds) are getting scarcer in that size.  Brake
> bridge location was at times an issue on this model. I’m not extolling it
> as the next big thing.
>
> Ymmv
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Alas, the selection of tires available for the 650C size was miniscule in
> 2015, and may be less than miniscule now, and those available were mostly
> 23 mm models, tho' I think Terry made a rather heavy 28 mm model. Tho' the
> selection of good road-capable 559 tires is small, it's a heckofalot bigger
> than that for 571.
>
> There's only about 1/4" radial difference between 559 and 571 sizes: my
> 650C wheels with 23 mm Pro Races measured about 24.5" in diameter, my 559
> wheels with 23 mm Turbos measured 24" in diameter. Past tense for both.
>
> Patrick Moore, who still has a small stash of Sun ME14A 650C rims waiting
> for the time when BQ introduces its full line of 571 tires, from 26 mm to
> 60 mm in smooth and knobby models.
>
> And, yes, that bar. So, so many things wrong. (But if the rider found it
> the best solution to needs, and this is not merely a desperate attempt to
> make an unrideable bike rideble, more power to him/her.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 8:07 AM Fullylugged 
> wrote:
>
>> In the course of work on another bike, a set of 650c (571mm) wheels
>> became surplus. Just to see, I tried them on my 52cm Rambouillet. The 50
>> and 52 Ram sizes are built for 26” (559mm) wheels. And yes they fit just
>> fine.  Plenty of room to adjust the brake pads on the stock Tiagra Calipers
>> Riv shipped on the bikes.  In case you need wheels and 26” road selection
>> is too limited, you can look at this size too.
>>
>> Still Fullylugged…..
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Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

2022-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Whoops, thought it was all in 3d person, not 2nd person. Sorry. Do what
works.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 12:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... And, yes, that bar. So, so many things wrong. (But if the rider found
> it the best solution to needs, and this is not merely a desperate attempt
> to make an unrideable bike rideble, more power to him/her.)
>
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Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

2022-06-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Alas, the selection of tires available for the 650C size was miniscule in
2015, and may be less than miniscule now, and those available were mostly
23 mm models, tho' I think Terry made a rather heavy 28 mm model. Tho' the
selection of good road-capable 559 tires is small, it's a heckofalot bigger
than that for 571.

There's only about 1/4" radial difference between 559 and 571 sizes: my
650C wheels with 23 mm Pro Races measured about 24.5" in diameter, my 559
wheels with 23 mm Turbos measured 24" in diameter. Past tense for both.

Patrick Moore, who still has a small stash of Sun ME14A 650C rims waiting
for the time when BQ introduces its full line of 571 tires, from 26 mm to
60 mm in smooth and knobby models.

And, yes, that bar. So, so many things wrong. (But if the rider found it
the best solution to needs, and this is not merely a desperate attempt to
make an unrideable bike rideble, more power to him/her.)



On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 8:07 AM Fullylugged 
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> In the course of work on another bike, a set of 650c (571mm) wheels became
> surplus. Just to see, I tried them on my 52cm Rambouillet. The 50 and 52
> Ram sizes are built for 26” (559mm) wheels. And yes they fit just fine.
> Plenty of room to adjust the brake pads on the stock Tiagra Calipers Riv
> shipped on the bikes.  In case you need wheels and 26” road selection is
> too limited, you can look at this size too.
>
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Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

2022-06-13 Thread Patrick Moore
I can't help with a bar, but I've used Pauls, DC, Shimano, Mafac, and
Tektro cantis, and the Paul's do seem to have more power -- perhaps a
bit more rigid? -- and they are certainly easiest to set up, including
15" wrench flats to adjust spring tension, which I find very, very
desirable. And the principal advantage, for me, is that their pivots
seemed to have less slop, which reduces judder and squeal caused by
the flex of very long head and steerer tubes and a headset mounted
housing stop. My frame has no crown hole, tho' one day I may get
around to drilling one to mount a stop there. But the judder and
squeal disappeared, or as much as makes no difference, when I replaced
Tektros with Pauls; same stops and pads.

Whether all this justifies their price, I'll leave to you.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 6:54 PM John Moore  wrote:
> Lasstly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
> seems to be the case with Pauls.
>
> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me a 
> hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
>
> - John

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[RBW] Sunglasses have been CLAIMED. [Free for postage: cheap (but nice) "Tifosi" sunglasses]

2022-06-13 Thread Patrick Moore


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[RBW] Re: Free for postage: cheap (but nice) "Tifosi" sunglasses

2022-06-12 Thread Patrick Moore
I will add that, after owning Rudy Projects and Bolles and other Hi End
cycling shades, I cannot say that these are inferior in performance to
those.

FWIW.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 4:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> A resounding silence from the iBoblist in response to this my more than
> generous offer, so I'm picking up my toys and going home. Humph.
>
> These cost me only $25 so I bought 5 different models including (for
> reason I forget) 2 of this model. I'll keep 4 and give this away.
>
> If anyone on the RBW list wants these, he/she/neuter/etc. is welcome to
> them, with the following conditions:
>
> 1. Please take only if you will use.
>
> 2. Please be patient about shipping.
>
> 3. No case.
>
> In case it matters, you can call these "cycling" glasses since I bought
> them at a bike shop.
>
> Patrick Moore, happily annoying the unco guid, in ABQ, NM
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-06-10 Thread Patrick Moore
Da-yum! I'm going to stop reading your posts!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 6:14 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... We did 27.9 miles mostly between 16-19 mph, according to the splits on
> my Apple Watch. Not bad
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of bike loads ...

2022-06-10 Thread Patrick Moore
Hard lives, but what strikes me in watching this series of videos (the
title is "World's deadliest roads" but there's a great deal of social
information and commentary in many of them, not just old trucks plowing
through mud or skirting precipices) is how cheerful and, frankly, "normal"
the poor villagers seem, be they black African, Burmese, or Bolivian. More
cheerful and normal than the faces one sees in my nearby supermarket. Well,
the Afghans from remote mountain villages seem a dour lot, but they too
give off an aura of "normal." Speaking of which, I recall from 54 years ago
a week-long trek in Nepal back before the tourists (crowds) came, when the
only way to get into the Himalayan ("Hee MAHL ayah," not "Him uh LAY uh")
foothill hinterlands was footpaths or helicopters. We passed through small
farming villages where people still lived much as they had 500 years
earlier (any small consumer goods, tobacco, kerosene, matches, sugar)
brought in on porter's backs after several-day hikes. (We also came across
Tibetan freedom fighters taking small arms back to their country on
muleback.) I still all these years later recall being struck at the
"normalness" of the villagers: very, very cheerful, friendly, and yet
dignified in a way that we moderns are not -- as if they had a core that
we've lost. That also describes the Burundian and Bolivian peasants, if not
the impoverished African and Asian urban proletariat: a "center" that we've
lost.

And back to bikes: I recall chasing decrepit buses and lorries uphill
outside of Nairobi circa 1969 to 1973; also belching black smoke into my
face at 12 mph. (I also recall drafting the short wheelbase, private buses
downhill while spinning out my 48X14, and being frightened, 3' behind the
rear bumper, when the bus suddenly turned to follow a sharp bend in the
road -- no guardrails and steep dropoffs!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 4:34 AM John Rinker  wrote:

> Well, *that* puts things into a very sharp perspective! Very hard lives
> indeed!
>
> I reminded of living in East Africa in the early 90s, and holding onto
> trucks to get up long hills just seemed to make sense. The trucks were
> slow, so it was the diesel exhaust that was the real danger.
>
> Thanks for offering that up.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 1:26:00 PM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_gQiOoUwfk
>>
>> One man was carrying 200 or 250 kg of bananas.
>>
>> There's another video in the "Most Dangerous Roads" that shows the DR
>> Congo's incredibly bad (as in, literally, small-car-sized ruts and knee
>> deep mud) "roads" where a few km a day is not uncommon in trucks and buses
>> that in the US would have been compacted in 1980.
>>
>> But if it's bad for the trucks, there are men, often in pairs, who take
>> old bikes across the nearest border to buy cooking oil and other really
>> basic supplies in modest bulk, pushing the bikes night and day in worn flip
>> flops for hundreds of miles through mud and rain to make a few francs
>> profit -- US$1 - 2000+ Congolese francs.
>>
>> Really, really hard lives.
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[RBW] Speaking of bike loads ...

2022-06-09 Thread Patrick Moore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_gQiOoUwfk

One man was carrying 200 or 250 kg of bananas.

There's another video in the "Most Dangerous Roads" that shows the DR
Congo's incredibly bad (as in, literally, small-car-sized ruts and knee
deep mud) "roads" where a few km a day is not uncommon in trucks and buses
that in the US would have been compacted in 1980.

But if it's bad for the trucks, there are men, often in pairs, who take old
bikes across the nearest border to buy cooking oil and other really basic
supplies in modest bulk, pushing the bikes night and day in worn flip flops
for hundreds of miles through mud and rain to make a few francs profit --
US$1 - 2000+ Congolese francs.

Really, really hard lives.

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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith Jr. L 59 cm Wheel Sizes

2022-06-08 Thread Patrick Moore
Jacob: I defy and contradict and rebut Garth when he says: "*The term
"29er" came about because the mtb crowd wouldn't dare be associated with
them thar road biker crowd so they had to call it* something.*"* The term
"29er" describes the rough diameter of a 700C wheel with a roughly 2" tire,
just as "26 inch" describes a Schwinn cruiser wheel with a roughly 2" tire.

FWIW: 700C X 50 gives about 29", 700C X 60 mm gives about 29 1/2", and 700C
X 70 mm gives about 30 1/2", at least if it has knobs.

Patrick "and a "twenty six inch" rim with 1" tire has a ~24" diameter, a
26" rim with a 28 mm tire a ~24.8" diameter, a 26 X 32 about a 25"
diameter, and a 26 X 42 mm a ~25.6" diameter ... in case you were
wondering" Moore

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 4:01 PM Jacob Lopez 
wrote:

> Hi, All.
>
> I did a quick search but didn't find a thread, so let me know if you know
> of one re this topic and I can remove this re Clem L's 59cm with 29ers:
>
> I noticed on the Riv site that 59cm Clem's can take 700c rims and "29er
> Tires".  Does that mean that it can take 29in rims, or...?   I may be
> looking to size up on my 52cm Clem L to a 59cm and I'm super curious to how
> 29's perform on this size.  Any experience with that (if, of course I'm
> reading the specs right and the bike can take 29in wheels)?  Does this
> introduce toe-overlap?
>
> Jacob
> San Diego, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

2022-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Ryan: Thank you! Perhaps this might work. 26 X 4 or 622 X 3. There's this
for minimum 2 mm crank clearance per side:

But:
Crank clearance Chainstay width is 140mm, crank arms must have 144mm inner
width, 24mm spindle recommended
That leaves 16 mm total or 8 mm per arm for arm thickness. The WI Eno crank
is with the Monocog at the LBS, but my Logic crank arms are 13.13 mm wide,
and my TA Pro 5 Vis arms are 14.54 mm wide.

Let's say 26.5 mm: 144 + 26.5 mm (I know that 0.5 mm don't mean a thing
practically) = over 170 -- well beyond the 160 mm limit to my Q factor
comfort.

Oh well ...

Still, interesting to see that 26X4 and 28X3 are given as suitable
alternatives.


On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 6:09 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> Tumbleweed Prospector frame? Then you’d be able to play around with the
> tire sizes! And selfishly, I get to see another sweet prospector build.
> Haha!
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 4:49 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan and Hotch: Thanks, but a 3" tire, or rather rims and frame that
>>> allow full 3" plumpness of my WTB Rangers, labeled 3", is not a variable;
>>> I've long since worked out what I want, which is not a sand bike but a
>>> sand-capable all-rounder.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for smallest-possible reading glasses or monocle

2022-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks McKenzy, Andrew and [?]. Monocles seem to be the solution. Since
getting cataract surgery (plastic lenses) in both eyes some 8-9 years ago
now, after 40+ years of dealing with strong myopia and astigmatism, I'm too
happy with my 20/20 to 20/40 in-bright-Georgia-O'Keefe-level-NM-sunlight
vision to want to hassle with distance-correcting lenses while riding. (I
can see fine for bike riding at night as well as in daytime, but for
driving I need slight help at night and keep a pair of driving glasses in
the car for after sundown).

Patrick Moore, who can read his aging iPhone 6S at full arm extension
without glasses when set on XL and Bold

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 2:43 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> What do you old people with presbyopia carry for mid-ride close-up
> looking? I've got any number of cheap reading glasses (and one good
> prescription pair that belonged to my father) but I'd like to find
> something even smaller for very, very occasional use.
>
> Something like the device shown might be just the thing -- fits in pocket
> and even in wallet -- but I'd appreciate others' ideas and opinions before
> I hit "buy." And, the link attached to the image is broken.
>
> I don't need something to fit into the eye; just something to hold with
> one hand while I fiddle with the other.
>
> There are all sorts of folding reading glasses with case in eBay stores
> but I think I'd like something even more compact.
>
> I suppose I could simply break one of my cheap reading glasses in half and
> remove the arm, but that's hardly elegant.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
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Re: [RBW] Trouble posting help requested

2022-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
I don't get a "can't do it" message unless I try to send more than 25 MB.
How big are your files?

And puh *leeze,* all y'all, *attach* big picture files instead of pasting
them into the body, which makes the text extend horribly beyond the width
of the window. I've taken to simply trashing messages with such images.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

2022-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
One more non-variable: a single 65" gear that is high enough to prevent
making flatland, hard-surface cruising with 175 mm cranks hateful, but low
enough (with the tires described) to make even shorter stretches of 4"
sand, as well as the shorter hills, rideable, with effort.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 4:49 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ryan and Hotch: Thanks, but a 3" tire, or rather rims and frame that allow
> full 3" plumpness of my WTB Rangers, labeled 3", is not a variable; I've
> long since worked out what I want, which is not a sand bike but a
> sand-capable all-rounder.
>
> IME, which is extensive enough to make a considered judgment, the current
> 71 mm/2.8" at 13-15 floats better over such sand as pictured than 61 mm at
> 18-20, which in turn is better than 50 mm at 21-23 psi. And I want a tire
> that is not entirely disheartening on pavement.
>
> OTOH, if I can find or commission a frame that with a ss drivetrain lets
> me use a 26 X 4" tire with a Q factor =/< 160 mm, and a 26 X 4" tire
> weighing less than 700 grams, I'll take them both, seriously; but I expect
> neither is possible. I'll be happy to be shown wrong.
>
> (Sorry, Tarik.)
>
> That sand was the worst, or almost the worst I ride in (there are a few
> patches deeper or longer which require me to walk, but I rarely ride on
> those stretches).
>
> A 3" 700C tire at 13 psi or so is, for my all rounder but sand-biased
> riding needs, a good compromise, just as the earlier Matthews with 61 mm
> (450 gram) Big Ones is an excellent pavement biased bike that can handle 3"
> sand, perhaps even that pictured if I use the small-ring gears. The Monocog
> replacement would also be a more "just get on and ride" bike that I can use
> to "walk" the dog with -- tho I use all my freewheel bikes for this purpose
> on the appropriate terrains.
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 10:29 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>
>> Make sure a 3” tire will be enough for you. I’ve ridden deep sand in
>> southern Utah. 3” tires (Chupacabra and XR4) were ok. You’re still putting
>> out a ton of wattage to keep going, especially on climbs.
>> Nothing beats fat tires. 4” or bigger. Get yourself a fat bike with light
>> carbon rims and fast rolling tires.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks again, Keith. I want to hold out for true 3"/76 mm tires and 5 mm
>>> clearance at all 4 stays, and from such research as I've done, the Krampus
>>> and one other off-shelf bike which I forget -- in my archive -- should
>>> allow this with a =/< 160 mm Q, which is the goal (again, single speed), as
>>> also of course would a custom.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:17 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I responded to the question last time, but just in case:
>>>>
>>>> I have my 1st run, size L Susie set up with 29x2.8 tires, measuring at
>>>> least 74mm  on 42mm rims, with a 3x9 drivetrain.   My tires don't have huge
>>>> knobs, but there are no absolutely no clearance or interference issues
>>>> anywhere, in any gear.   By far the biggest constraint is the height of the
>>>> fork crown.   If it was higher, I could and would put fenders on the bike,
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> If I can find a 2.6 tire that I like, I will eventually switch to
>>>> those.  I want fenders,.  And the 2.8 tires are fine on dirt but have a
>>>> little too much self-steer on hard surfaces.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:55:14 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Erik and others. Garth, come to think of it, I think that I
>>>>> did ask this before -- more Ralph Wiggumry. Oh well.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I would prefer disc brakes, tho' that's not a deal breaker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, any Monocog replacement would be a single speed, or perhaps use
>>>>> a hub gear -- typical wide range 3 speed or perhaps a 2 speed kickback; 
>>>>> but
>>>>> probably just a simple single speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dealbreaker tho' is 76 mm tires with 5 mm clearance on each side,
>>>>> so 86 mm between stays at tire level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Garth, I find that an extra cm of width and corresponding 5 psi or so
>>>>> drop in pressure makes a huge difference when negotiating sand. 60 mm at 
>>>>> 19
>>>>> psi is much better than 50 mm at 23 psi, but 71-2 mm at 13-15 psi is even
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

2022-06-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Ryan and Hotch: Thanks, but a 3" tire, or rather rims and frame that allow
full 3" plumpness of my WTB Rangers, labeled 3", is not a variable; I've
long since worked out what I want, which is not a sand bike but a
sand-capable all-rounder.

IME, which is extensive enough to make a considered judgment, the current
71 mm/2.8" at 13-15 floats better over such sand as pictured than 61 mm at
18-20, which in turn is better than 50 mm at 21-23 psi. And I want a tire
that is not entirely disheartening on pavement.

OTOH, if I can find or commission a frame that with a ss drivetrain lets me
use a 26 X 4" tire with a Q factor =/< 160 mm, and a 26 X 4" tire weighing
less than 700 grams, I'll take them both, seriously; but I expect neither
is possible. I'll be happy to be shown wrong.

(Sorry, Tarik.)

That sand was the worst, or almost the worst I ride in (there are a few
patches deeper or longer which require me to walk, but I rarely ride on
those stretches).

A 3" 700C tire at 13 psi or so is, for my all rounder but sand-biased
riding needs, a good compromise, just as the earlier Matthews with 61 mm
(450 gram) Big Ones is an excellent pavement biased bike that can handle 3"
sand, perhaps even that pictured if I use the small-ring gears. The Monocog
replacement would also be a more "just get on and ride" bike that I can use
to "walk" the dog with -- tho I use all my freewheel bikes for this purpose
on the appropriate terrains.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 10:29 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:

> Make sure a 3” tire will be enough for you. I’ve ridden deep sand in
> southern Utah. 3” tires (Chupacabra and XR4) were ok. You’re still putting
> out a ton of wattage to keep going, especially on climbs.
> Nothing beats fat tires. 4” or bigger. Get yourself a fat bike with light
> carbon rims and fast rolling tires.
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks again, Keith. I want to hold out for true 3"/76 mm tires and 5 mm
>> clearance at all 4 stays, and from such research as I've done, the Krampus
>> and one other off-shelf bike which I forget -- in my archive -- should
>> allow this with a =/< 160 mm Q, which is the goal (again, single speed), as
>> also of course would a custom.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:17 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I think I responded to the question last time, but just in case:
>>>
>>> I have my 1st run, size L Susie set up with 29x2.8 tires, measuring at
>>> least 74mm  on 42mm rims, with a 3x9 drivetrain.   My tires don't have huge
>>> knobs, but there are no absolutely no clearance or interference issues
>>> anywhere, in any gear.   By far the biggest constraint is the height of the
>>> fork crown.   If it was higher, I could and would put fenders on the bike,
>>> too.
>>>
>>> If I can find a 2.6 tire that I like, I will eventually switch to
>>> those.  I want fenders,.  And the 2.8 tires are fine on dirt but have a
>>> little too much self-steer on hard surfaces.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:55:14 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Erik and others. Garth, come to think of it, I think that I did
>>>> ask this before -- more Ralph Wiggumry. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>> And I would prefer disc brakes, tho' that's not a deal breaker.
>>>>
>>>> Also, any Monocog replacement would be a single speed, or perhaps use a
>>>> hub gear -- typical wide range 3 speed or perhaps a 2 speed kickback; but
>>>> probably just a simple single speed.
>>>>
>>>> The dealbreaker tho' is 76 mm tires with 5 mm clearance on each side,
>>>> so 86 mm between stays at tire level.
>>>>
>>>> Garth, I find that an extra cm of width and corresponding 5 psi or so
>>>> drop in pressure makes a huge difference when negotiating sand. 60 mm at 19
>>>> psi is much better than 50 mm at 23 psi, but 71-2 mm at 13-15 psi is even
>>>> better, and 76mm+ I daresay would improve things further.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:28 PM Erik  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, that sand looks brutal!  As you noted, the max listed tire size
>>>>> on the Gus or Susie is 2.8, but I feel like that would be pushing it for a
>>>>> couple of reasons.  I'm running 29" x 2.5 Terravail Ehlines. They measure
>>>>> about 62mm without any weight on them on Cliffhanger rims, tubeless.  They
>>>>> have plenty of clearance on the sides (about 12mm on the front, a little
>>>>> less in the rear). I measured the distance between the

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr Update

2022-05-31 Thread Patrick Moore
Blue.

[image: image.png]


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 10:30 AM J J  wrote:

> ... Which loc tite [Loctite] variety do you suggest for the shifters?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr Update

2022-05-31 Thread Patrick Moore
I used several pairs of the first-gen Silver bar end shifters extensively
and always ended up putting blue Loctite on the mounting bolts to prevent
loosening. I daresay beeswax would work too.

Silvers are hardly the only shifters that require this treatment, IME.

Patrick Moore, currently using Suntour Barcons ... with blue Loctite, in
ABQ, NM


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Man, I grew up with friction shifters & have been yearning for the Silver
> shifters to replace my Microshift units that came on the bike. But these
> things work flawlessly & I’d forgotten about “slippage”. I think I shall
> resist the nostalgic trip down memory lane and save $170.00!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2022, at 8:50 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Doug, thanks for the nice write up. CeeCee looks great!
>
> About the Silver2 shifters: I’ve had the same problem of gears slipping. I
> find that I have to tighten the D ring screw so much to prevent slipping
> that it makes it hard to move the shift levers. I haven’t thought of using
> thread lock. I’ve just kind of accepted the slipping as reality for these
> shifters. It seems like I constantly have to fiddle with them.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Rene Herse front brake cable hanger, for grooved steerer, ferrule

2022-05-26 Thread Patrick Moore
Laing: Thanks, very good to know. I don't mind the Paul hanger (did you
abandon one? Silver? Care to sell?) but prefer the RH because it fits with
the spacers under the headset locknut. I have Paul cantis.

But will expand my search for a flat model as well as the grooved model.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 6:18 AM lconley  wrote:

> Just FYI - it is much, much easier to file a flat on a threaded steerer
> than you might think (If you are threadless this would not apply). Much
> easier than trying to file a notch or round out of the flat inside the
> hanger. Rene Herse did not have the grooved style hangers, but did have the
> flat style hangers, so I bought one and filed the threaded, grooved steerer
> on my Riv custom. Took less than five minutes. Having the groove already in
> the steerer made it very easy to center the flat and the threads meant that
> you only have to file the pointed top of the threads off, the thicker
> bottom of the threads remained undisturbed. I only filed the minimum so the
> hanger and spacers barely fit on - a nice tight fit. I might make this
> upgrade on several bikes now.
> I originally installed a Paul hanger, which is a nice quality piece, but
> kind of brutalist in the way that many Paul components are, and it was
> asymmetric due to the clamp (clamping to threaded steerers is no problem).
> The esthetics of the Rene Herse hanger are so much better, and I have Rene
> Herse centerpulls anyway.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 4:49:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have one of these no longer in use? Grooved, ferrule -- tho'
>> I suppose I could file a flat one round to fit my grooveless, flatless
>> steerer if the price is right.
>>
>> The steel Shimano one I have is strong and rigid but doesn't have enough
>> drop for good cable routing.
>>
>> Trade? Or cash.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

2022-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks again, Keith. I want to hold out for true 3"/76 mm tires and 5 mm
clearance at all 4 stays, and from such research as I've done, the Krampus
and one other off-shelf bike which I forget -- in my archive -- should
allow this with a =/< 160 mm Q, which is the goal (again, single speed), as
also of course would a custom.

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:17 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> I think I responded to the question last time, but just in case:
>
> I have my 1st run, size L Susie set up with 29x2.8 tires, measuring at
> least 74mm  on 42mm rims, with a 3x9 drivetrain.   My tires don't have huge
> knobs, but there are no absolutely no clearance or interference issues
> anywhere, in any gear.   By far the biggest constraint is the height of the
> fork crown.   If it was higher, I could and would put fenders on the bike,
> too.
>
> If I can find a 2.6 tire that I like, I will eventually switch to those.
> I want fenders,.  And the 2.8 tires are fine on dirt but have a little too
> much self-steer on hard surfaces.
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:55:14 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Erik and others. Garth, come to think of it, I think that I did
>> ask this before -- more Ralph Wiggumry. Oh well.
>>
>> And I would prefer disc brakes, tho' that's not a deal breaker.
>>
>> Also, any Monocog replacement would be a single speed, or perhaps use a
>> hub gear -- typical wide range 3 speed or perhaps a 2 speed kickback; but
>> probably just a simple single speed.
>>
>> The dealbreaker tho' is 76 mm tires with 5 mm clearance on each side, so
>> 86 mm between stays at tire level.
>>
>> Garth, I find that an extra cm of width and corresponding 5 psi or so
>> drop in pressure makes a huge difference when negotiating sand. 60 mm at 19
>> psi is much better than 50 mm at 23 psi, but 71-2 mm at 13-15 psi is even
>> better, and 76mm+ I daresay would improve things further.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:28 PM Erik  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that sand looks brutal!  As you noted, the max listed tire size on
>>> the Gus or Susie is 2.8, but I feel like that would be pushing it for a
>>> couple of reasons.  I'm running 29" x 2.5 Terravail Ehlines. They measure
>>> about 62mm without any weight on them on Cliffhanger rims, tubeless.  They
>>> have plenty of clearance on the sides (about 12mm on the front, a little
>>> less in the rear). I measured the distance between the inside of the
>>> chainstays and it looks like it's right about 80mm (I wasn't measuring with
>>> calipers!), so I don't think you could fit 3" tires (about 76mm) with any
>>> meaningful room to spare.  The forks have a little more clearance so maybe
>>> a slightly larger front tire would be possible.
>>>
>>> The bigger issue that I would see with trying to get even larger tires
>>> on the back is the bottom bracket width necessary to keep the chain off of
>>> the tire.  It would push the chainline out pretty far.  It's a 73mm shell
>>> and I'm running a 122 IRD bottom bracket with spacers.  Even with that and
>>> a chainline that is wy outboard, the chain runs pretty close to the
>>> tire in the 50t gear in the back.  I think that if I sized up even to the
>>> 2.8 I might have to switch up to a 127 BB, pushing the chainline out even
>>> further.  You almost need Boost spacing at that point to push the cassette
>>> further out in line with the front chainring.  Otherwise the front
>>> chainring is starting to line up with the smallest cog which makes for a
>>> terrible chainline.  That's my amateur opinion at any rate!  I'm sure
>>> someone on here has tried it or knows this better than I do.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, even with "just" 2.5 inch tires it's handled the terrain just
>>> fine and was easy to keep on track on multiple surfaces, including rocky
>>> sections and sections with lots of roots and loose gravel.  It was equally
>>> fine with all of it.  Sand, however, is another matter.  We don't have much
>>> of that on the trails in my area so I can't really speak to it.
>>>
>>> I may try out a larger front tire soon and will happily report back.  I
>>> don't think I'm going to try a larger rear tire for the reasons above re:
>>> chainline.
>>>
>>> And thanks for the nod on the build!  Happy with all the shiny bits.
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

2022-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Erik and others. Garth, come to think of it, I think that I did ask
this before -- more Ralph Wiggumry. Oh well.

And I would prefer disc brakes, tho' that's not a deal breaker.

Also, any Monocog replacement would be a single speed, or perhaps use a hub
gear -- typical wide range 3 speed or perhaps a 2 speed kickback; but
probably just a simple single speed.

The dealbreaker tho' is 76 mm tires with 5 mm clearance on each side, so 86
mm between stays at tire level.

Garth, I find that an extra cm of width and corresponding 5 psi or so drop
in pressure makes a huge difference when negotiating sand. 60 mm at 19 psi
is much better than 50 mm at 23 psi, but 71-2 mm at 13-15 psi is even
better, and 76mm+ I daresay would improve things further.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:28 PM Erik  wrote:

> Well, that sand looks brutal!  As you noted, the max listed tire size on
> the Gus or Susie is 2.8, but I feel like that would be pushing it for a
> couple of reasons.  I'm running 29" x 2.5 Terravail Ehlines. They measure
> about 62mm without any weight on them on Cliffhanger rims, tubeless.  They
> have plenty of clearance on the sides (about 12mm on the front, a little
> less in the rear). I measured the distance between the inside of the
> chainstays and it looks like it's right about 80mm (I wasn't measuring with
> calipers!), so I don't think you could fit 3" tires (about 76mm) with any
> meaningful room to spare.  The forks have a little more clearance so maybe
> a slightly larger front tire would be possible.
>
> The bigger issue that I would see with trying to get even larger tires on
> the back is the bottom bracket width necessary to keep the chain off of the
> tire.  It would push the chainline out pretty far.  It's a 73mm shell and
> I'm running a 122 IRD bottom bracket with spacers.  Even with that and a
> chainline that is wy outboard, the chain runs pretty close to the tire
> in the 50t gear in the back.  I think that if I sized up even to the 2.8 I
> might have to switch up to a 127 BB, pushing the chainline out even
> further.  You almost need Boost spacing at that point to push the cassette
> further out in line with the front chainring.  Otherwise the front
> chainring is starting to line up with the smallest cog which makes for a
> terrible chainline.  That's my amateur opinion at any rate!  I'm sure
> someone on here has tried it or knows this better than I do.
>
> Otherwise, even with "just" 2.5 inch tires it's handled the terrain just
> fine and was easy to keep on track on multiple surfaces, including rocky
> sections and sections with lots of roots and loose gravel.  It was equally
> fine with all of it.  Sand, however, is another matter.  We don't have much
> of that on the trails in my area so I can't really speak to it.
>
> I may try out a larger front tire soon and will happily report back.  I
> don't think I'm going to try a larger rear tire for the reasons above re:
> chainline.
>
> And thanks for the nod on the build!  Happy with all the shiny bits.
>
> Erik
>
>>
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[RBW] ISO: Rene Herse front brake cable hanger, for grooved steerer, ferrule

2022-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Does anyone have one of these no longer in use? Grooved, ferrule -- tho' I
suppose I could file a flat one round to fit my grooveless, flatless
steerer if the price is right.

The steel Shimano one I have is strong and rigid but doesn't have enough
drop for good cable routing.

Trade? Or cash.

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[RBW] Suggestions for smallest-possible reading glasses or monocle

2022-05-25 Thread Patrick Moore
What do you old people with presbyopia carry for mid-ride close-up looking?
I've got any number of cheap reading glasses (and one good prescription
pair that belonged to my father) but I'd like to find something even
smaller for very, very occasional use.

Something like the device shown might be just the thing -- fits in pocket
and even in wallet -- but I'd appreciate others' ideas and opinions before
I hit "buy." And, the link attached to the image is broken.

I don't need something to fit into the eye; just something to hold with one
hand while I fiddle with the other.

There are all sorts of folding reading glasses with case in eBay stores but
I think I'd like something even more compact.

I suppose I could simply break one of my cheap reading glasses in half and
remove the arm, but that's hardly elegant.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] My '99 Franklin Custom

2022-05-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Hey, Garth, I live my life moment by moment, like Ralph Wiggum. Life is so
much more interesting that way.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/20bf05c763d74b1113f84e5ac2b12915/tenor.gif?itemid=13718359

Thanks for the photos of the Shrew. Yes, black and orange would be ideal,
and I already have a similar-sized, similarly-designed seat bag, only the
attachment (with seatpost strap) is not particularly secure. But at least
it's black.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 3:39 PM Garth  wrote:

> You're welcome Patrick !  I had posted it but not as it appears now. i
> change things now and then. I'm finally embracing returning to using real
> racks to carry stuff. I quite like it as it now.
>
> I wish it was black and orange, that'd be cool!  They sell it in black
> with bright red straps, their signature colors. Not pure orange. I went for
> the visibility factor, the hi-vis lime. I'd gladly sell it but it wouldn't
> match your bike color themes. Here's their colors
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/seat-bags/Shrew.
> It now says it's 2.25 liters, sheesh, it originally said 2.5L, some
> websites said 3L. Regardless I can't say if it would fit your jacket. The
> bag does have a longitudinal adjustable strap that would allow it to be
> stuffed even if the back wasn't fully closed. the strap would prevent the
> jacket from falling out of course.
>
> I took some photos of it stuffed with a Polartec 100 fleece pullover,
> which is likely about 400wt merino wool eq. , size large. It had room to
> spare as you can see. With the shell it just may fit.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Very nice, Garth, and I apologize if you've posted before and I forgot
>> about it.
>>
>> Care to sell your Shrew? Can it take a tightly wadded winter cycling
>> jacket, the old fashioned wool mix + nylon wind panels, size Med? And the
>> really big question: is your Shrew black with orange straps?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:15 PM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Patrick asked for another photo of my '99 custom Franklin, here call the
>>> Bradley sport/touring model. So rather than post it in someone else's post
>>> i may as well do it here.
>>>
>>> I've since reconfigured it quite a bit differently than it's ever been.
>>> I flipped and lowered the stem so the bars are close to saddle height. I
>>> can go lower but I'll take it steps. No more seat packs on my bikes. I
>>> tried a Revelate Shrew which didn't attach to the post, thus further back,
>>> but my saddles don't allow it to go that far back as product photos show,
>>> so out with darn seat packs forever! I took the mini rack from the rear of
>>> the Bomba and put it on the back of the Franklin. Much much nicer looking
>>> with the mini rack than the seat pack. I'm using a stuff sack with the
>>> cargo net for now, but have a Lone Peak micro bag on the way. I hope it
>>> doesn't look awful! The Bomba got the full length top rack that Riv used to
>>> sell, it can be used front or rear but I don't like front loads up high so
>>> it goes behind too.
>>>
>>> The Franklin reach for reference, from the tip of the saddle to middle
>>> center of the bars is 63cm. To the bar ends about 54cm. These Alba are the
>>> 56 steel, which should still be in production as the 55's were notable
>>> narrower at the end of the flats, before it starts curving, so it's now a
>>> worthless bar @55cm , for me. The Billie, same story. I've been looking at
>>> all those "gravelly" kind of drop bars. I think I may get a Crust Towel
>>> bar, in a 63 I think. this is a road bike and only want a bit wide-err, to
>>> try at least, I'm more curious than anything what that wide of a drop bar
>>> would feel like. At the hoods it would be a bit wider than the upper most
>>> flats of the Alba, which I use a lot! I really don't need the reach back of
>>> the Alba, so that's why I may get the drops. But the Crust and the like are
>>> less deep and less reach than typical drops, which is fine with me. If it's
>>> too wide there are plenty  of bars in between that and a 52cm Nitto Dirt
>>> Drop, which I originally had on the bike. I would like something with a bit
>>> more flare than that. A Towel bar might be even better for the Bomba. The
>>> Franklin handles like a fine (80's) European racing bike. I don't think bar
>>> width as as much of an issue as bar height. Too high and the Franklin feels
>>> all wrong. Saddle height or lower and it's vroooming into those turns with
>>> ease!
&

Re: [RBW] My '99 Franklin Custom

2022-05-24 Thread Patrick Moore
smiles  illumination !  Even in all that
> apparent matter-of-facts . which aren't so much factual as they are
> musical  yeah  like notes of music in all their variations. It's a
> marvelous song playing and We're It. Even those that seem off-key,
> discordant and such. Like this guy in my locality who thinks I as bike
> rider, should not be on the road at all, that "if you can't keep up with
> the flow of traffic, you should have a slow moving vehicle sign at your
> rear". Straight for the horsey's mouth. No, I'm not an Amish buggy  but
> I suppose you "could" call my ride an Amish Whip!  Well, that's another
> story for later..
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Re: [RBW] Blahg and Life and Poster and Meanderings

2022-05-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Garth: Can you post a photo of your Franklin if you haven't already done
so? If you have, can you post it again anyway?

I like the image of reading the Blahg as a story; that's the way I read it.

Susie: Curious about the hillbikes with lng wheelbases. How (question
is for everyone) would they do on usually straight, certainly flat, but
often very narrow and cramped singletrack as on the ditchbank paths I
photo'd? The drop-bar Matthews does alright, tho' the bar is really too
narrow for best slow speed control (but the bike is an optimized compromise
for pavement, dirt access road, sandy surfaces, and ditchbank riding, so
narrow they must be -- 42 cm, 4 cm wider than my road bars). The Monocog
feels more secure, flat but also narrow bar (MAP Ahearne bar trimmed of 8
unnecessary inches for comfort), but neither bike is hugely long -- I've
not measured the Monocog but the Matthews has 45 cm stays.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 5:18 AM Garth  wrote:

> I'm a bit like you Craig, I ride what I ride and no amount of
> philosophizing and theorizing about it is going to alter that. I like what
> I like. It's like any other taste, if I have no taste for something all the
> word songs in the world won't change it. The warmth portrayed in the image
> is nice, love it !
>
> I read the blag and the emails on and off. Some of it I relate to,
> much of it I do not. Bridgestone to me, growing up in Minnesota, was no
> more than another brand I may see advertised in a magazine. No local shop
> sold them. I like reading his biz experiences though, as entertainment,
> like an adventure novel. A who-dunnit ? !!!  *Well let me tell you a
> litte story  *
>
> I finally found a good alternative to the under the BB cable chewing thing
> on my custom Franklin recently. the shifty(though I usually left off the f)
> rear QR lever, and I lowered the Alba bars greatly. I'll either try
> flipping them later or may simply flip the +/-10d threadless stem mounted
> to the quill adapter first. That high bar madness is not for me. Been
> there, tired it on, it didn't fit as "suggested". Just because you're xx
> years old, doesn't mean your bars should, would, or could be some arbitrary
> number. Just because you ride over blank, or ride like blank, or do blank,
> or don't do blank .doesn't mean another arbitarary blank ought to be
> done to compensate for that arbitrary blank. Insanity is a equation that
> never adds up anything but more of the same !
>
> Anyways, I LOVE riding my Franklin "sport/touring" bike !  It's so
> non-riv-like. It responds to steering/body movements like a fine tuned
> instrument, easy to veer off line and return in an instant. Cornering is a
> blast, a total gasser ! While I like my Bombadil for what it is, I wouldn't
> want another one. I also have a unbuilt Susie frame, yet no desire to even
> build it. If I lived in trail-ville, maybe I would, but I don't.  Have you
> ever bought something because you bought into the sizzle that was sold, but
> when your steak arrived you wonder why it doesn't smell or taste like you
> "bought" ?  I bought a "would" an "if only"... "an image" of reality.
> That's the way branding goes, it sells an image, "virtual reality", it's
> not re-al-i-ty. The Riv thing appealed to me when they sold "normal"
> road-like stuff, mostly the manual 7-speed parts though, certainly not the
> clothing, the saddles or the thigh-slapping saddle bags.
>
> So the story goes through the looking glass ! Teeheehhee !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cottonwoods in leaf: acequia/ditchbank trail ride

2022-05-24 Thread Patrick Moore
That should read:

...The water is allocated according to an ancient and as I understand it
unique code of law dating at least to late 16th century *(perhaps
pre-Conquest since the Pueblo people started the system)* that is neither
US common or statute law nor Euro-Napoleonic law ...

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 9:32 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...The water is allocated according to an ancient and as I understand it
> unique code of law dating at least to late 16th century; perhaps
> pre-Conquest since the Pueblo people started the system that is neither US
> common or statute law nor Euro-Napoleonic law ...
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[RBW] Re: Cottonwoods in leaf: acequia/ditchbank trail ride

2022-05-23 Thread Patrick Moore
That should be 30 + miles, no kidding.

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 3:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Pleasant little jaunt, 15 miles, mostly ditchbank -- rediscovered a nearby
> acequia trail that I'd ridden many times before but recently confused with
> another, nearby one. The acequia network is pretty dense in certain areas.
>
> All within 4-5 crow journey from home. One could stitch together 20+ miles
> of ditchbank and Rio Grande Conservancy District roads easily within a 5
> mile radius.
>
> Plus: Cottonwood bowers in warm weather. Con: sand.
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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-05-22 Thread Patrick Moore
Mensch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch

"Standup (gal)."


On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:29 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Toshi, YES, this was what I meant at the end of my post. Mine is but a
> fraction of the persecution that others face, so I can surely weather this.
> I am sorry to hear of your poor treatment, especially in the Midwest where
> folks are supposed to be inherently nice. I’m so happy to hear you are of
> Japanese descent. My 16 y.o son is learning Japanese (self-taught, with the
> help of an app) and hoping to study in Japan for some of his time in
> college. I love that he calls us HaHa and ChiChi (sp?).
>
> Patrick, a mensch? I don’t know what it is, but I’m sure I’ve been called
> worse. I hope it means “goofball.”
>
> Joe, if it stops being fun, I’ll quit. Coincidentally, tonight is the 50th
> anniversary party of the club’s existence. FIFTIETH! It’s dinner and a walk
> down memory lane. I’m going in normal clothes and am anxious to see
> everyone else off the bike without the gear. We can all be normal people
> together. Equal playing field. Wonder if folks will be more friendly?
>
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

2022-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Leah: Thanks for more enthralling narrative about the paceline Platypus.
Max: Thanks for the interesting "apercus" on paceline etiquette.

While reading Max's description of paceline concerns, urgent niggling
images of Rivendell Hillbikes in pacelines kept afflicting my imagination,
with 75 cm-wide Rivendell handlebars and Titanic-length wheelbases
preventing close paceline formations, etc. OTOH, the very precise handling
of every Rivendell model I've ever ridden ought to take care of that
problem.

Leah, if you were a man, I'd call you a "mensch."

Post scriptum: a plea: Peoples: can we attach High Volume jpegs to the
message using the paperclip, instead of copying them into the body of the
email? I have a 42" $1K (2015) gaming-quality screen (for work) and some
files stretch the capacity of even this screen. Also, can we bottom-trim
our messages so that we're not including multi-TBs of images and text from
far earlier in the thread? Thanks.


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 10:21 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I see your point, Max. And I think you’re right. If I don’t fall into line
> visually, then I might not be wise in their ways and therefore put the
> group at risk. And that’s a fair concern because I don’t have paceline
> experience (yet). We do not ride super tight or at 25 mph, and I hope we
> never do. (Are we a pretend paceline?) The ride leader mentions some things
> at the huddle and they say “don’t cross wheels” so I make sure never to do
> that. But there have been times when things go wrong and I wonder what I
> was *supposed* to have done. For instance, on the Monday Night Ride the
> woman in front of me slammed on her brakes suddenly (twice, actually, and I
> don’t know why). Before I even thought to do the same, I already was. This
> caused the man behind me to growl. Literally growl. I still don’t know what
> I should have done. Hit her?
>
> It’s all very new and interesting and I would love to ride with you one
> day soon in A2.
>
> Staying humble but staying on my Platypus regardless of what they think,
> Leah
>
> On May 18, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> 
> Roadies are snobby, but potentially with good reason. Let me explain...
> While there CAN be plenty of groupthink and cultishness / exclusivity in
> road biking and club cycling that I don't care for, there are some good
> reasons to enforce a certain amount of conformity when riding fast on paved
> roads in a tight formation (e.g., a paceline).
> Going fast in a long, rotating paceline, on a narrow shoulder of a road
> with cars zooming by, with potential for potholes causing pinch flats with
> skinny tires, you have to be very disciplined as a group, and you have to
> have a lot of trust in those in your paceline. Any failure to point out a
> pothole, approaching car, or joggers, any jitters or unsteadiness in speed
> can wreak havoc on the group. In a good, properly rotating paceline, you
> are going >20 mph, your tire is inches away from the next rider's tire, and
> your bars are also inches from another person's bars as you rotate back or
> forward. Riding in echelons in a side-wind can be even trickier.
> I've ridden plenty when training and racing on the road, and riding with
> people who can maintain a straight line, steady speed without any
> speedometers or inclines / declines in the road is simply more enjoyable.
> You learn to stay the heck away from riders who are yoyo-ing back and
> forth, riders who "leave their wheel behind" when they stand up to climb,
> riders whose shorts and bikes are a little bit too torn up (potential for
> frequent crashes), and *riders who for whatever other stupid reason may
> appear like they're different enough from you that you can't 110% rely on
> them to keep their line and predictability in a tight bunch*. I'm not
> saying that you exhibit any of those functional foibles, but when you don't
> know the other riders all that well, as seems to be the occasional
> situation you're running into on these club rides, people tend to pay more
> attention to various secondary indicators / cues.
> If you think about the risks and people's nature when riding in tight
> groups on the road, it's literally life-and-death (or
> life-and-serious-injury) type considerations that drive these behaviors.
> In a well-run club ride, a leader will gently guide new riders in these
> unspoken rules and behaviors, and a welcoming approach can result in more
> trust and discipline than these gruff attitudes... It's unfortunate that
> there didn't seem to be a sufficiently experienced and authoritative
> "patron" on the ride to keep the skittish / insecure newbies in line and
> ensure there's a nurturing approach. But at the same time, do try to see it
> from another perspective. There are very good reasons to encourage
> diversity in cycling, but there are also instances / situations, where
> uniformity and conformity is the safest (and most enjoyable) way to go. If
> you ever get to ride with experienced and 

[RBW] Re: ISO matching-color Problem Solvers Cross Clamp and DT Shifter Mount in silver and 31.8 mm; also indexed left side dt shifter

2022-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore
As usual, forgot some data: I want *hinged clamps* for ease of installation
and removal; the clamps will not (yet anyway) be mounted permanently.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 7:22 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> See photos below. I want to mount a single dt shifter on the top tube to
> shift my new TC and TF hubs (wheels built, been dragging feet in setting
> them up) and run the cable to roller clamp near seat cluster and down to
> hub. Don't want to rout cable under bb.
>
> Problem Solvers seems to have what I need, almost; see photos attached
> from current PS online catalogue.
>
> I'd prefer:
>
> > All silver to all black;
> > All black to mixed colors;
> > Single shifter boss to double boss.
>
> I have a silver, 31.8mm single-shifter boss mount, apparently no longer
> offered by Problem Solvers in any color. I will buy the 2-boss mount in
> black failing better options.
>
> So:
>
> 1. Does anyone have a Problem Solvers Cross Clamp in 31.8 mm in *SILVER?*
> 2. Does anyone have a PS DT *SINGLE* shifter mount in 31.8 mm in black?
>
> 2. Until I find a way or a metal worker to mount the OEM TF tt shifter
> onto a 31.8 clamp, I'll use a friction shifter, and I'd like to find one
> with strong resistance to the pull of the shifting mechanism spring.
> Perhaps something with strong indexing points?
>
> What do you all suggest? What do you all have to trade or sell?
>
> Again, would prefer color to match clamps.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] ISO matching-color Problem Solvers Cross Clamp and DT Shifter Mount in silver and 31.8 mm; also indexed left side dt shifter

2022-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore
See photos below. I want to mount a single dt shifter on the top tube to
shift my new TC and TF hubs (wheels built, been dragging feet in setting
them up) and run the cable to roller clamp near seat cluster and down to
hub. Don't want to rout cable under bb.

Problem Solvers seems to have what I need, almost; see photos attached from
current PS online catalogue.

I'd prefer:

> All silver to all black;
> All black to mixed colors;
> Single shifter boss to double boss.

I have a silver, 31.8mm single-shifter boss mount, apparently no longer
offered by Problem Solvers in any color. I will buy the 2-boss mount in
black failing better options.

So:

1. Does anyone have a Problem Solvers Cross Clamp in 31.8 mm in *SILVER?*
2. Does anyone have a PS DT *SINGLE* shifter mount in 31.8 mm in black?

2. Until I find a way or a metal worker to mount the OEM TF tt shifter onto
a 31.8 clamp, I'll use a friction shifter, and I'd like to find one with
strong resistance to the pull of the shifting mechanism spring. Perhaps
something with strong indexing points?

What do you all suggest? What do you all have to trade or sell?

Again, would prefer color to match clamps.

Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

2022-05-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Unhappy with the excessively upright position of the North Road bar (steel)
on my second, this one 5-speed, Raleigh Sprite, I flipped the bar for a
more comfortable position, only to find that, with more weight on the bar,
it would slip in the clamp when I hit bumps. I stopped at a bike shop (WDC,
Dupont Circle area, circa 1986; does any recall the name?) and plaintively
described the problem to the first mechanic I saw, a burly guy. He took a
look and said, "We can fix that," then walked back to the workbench and
picked up a huge crescent wrench. He torqued the hex-head clamp bolt and
yep, it never slipped again.

Again, all steel, bar, stem, and bar clamp bolt; but torque did the trick.

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:38 AM Rod Holland  wrote:

> Garth, amen! Archimedes is our friend...
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Revelate Sweetroll bag has been SOLD!!

2022-05-10 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks for all the interest.

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