Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders
Since this Java will see mostly radish terrain it seems mechanical discs are the better choice, especially with long descents where heat build-up is the major concern? Also heard back from Chico. Here's what Stephen said, The Motolite and MotoBMX measure 104mm from the center of the mounting bolt to the straddle wire. if the frame was made to work with 700c wheels, then you should have no problem using these brakes with a tire that big. If you are adapting a 26 bike to 700c, the biggest tire you will be able to run will be about a 35. Tektro has one with another 6mm for I!11 the price? Owen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?
Riding in the hot and humid land of shellac where it's readily available in all shades for about $1 for 12 ounces ready to apply, it's a no brainer for me. I don't really notice it being sticky (maybe just used to it) except a day or two after (re)application, and indeed a bit when it rains. Using it over cork. Can see it being an acquired taste, but it sure is easier for me to touch-up shellac than re-wrap. Wish it did not take me so long to learn its wonders in this application. Owen in Bangkok On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:06:00 AM UTC+7, M D Smith wrote: I also like the feel of shellaced bar tape. I particularly appreciate how long the tape lasts as compared to untreated cloth tape. One thing, however, is that on really hot, humid days or after rain, the shellaced tape can feel a little sticky. No worse than cork or foam or regular tape, but worth noting. All in good fun- Mike in Htfd CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders
Tom, Wow, that is quite encouraging. Also thinking of 60mm Berthound's with the wider tires, so your experience and the others leads us to think that we won't be too limited with the V brake constraint. I was too thinking of checking in with the folks in Chico about the Motolites. The arm length differences got me thinking, I trust there's a standard distance (range) for the studs to be placed from axel center depending on rim size, wonder if we can make sure they place the studs to ensure we can maximize the brake's tire clearance for 700c rims. Thanks, Owen On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:25:42 AM UTC+7, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Owen, I use Shimano V-brakes (107 mm arms), 700C Big Apples (57 mm actual width on my rims) and Berthoud 60 mm steel fenders. It works great, although it was necessary to put a dent in (or should I say cold set) the fenders to get the housing stop/quick-release thingy on the V-brakes to clear. With 50 mm 700C Marathon Supremes (around 46 mm on my rims, from memory) I had nice clearance on the fenders and no denting was necessary. I think Tektro V-brakes are available with longer arms, and I've heard that the arms on Paul Motolites are 114 mm but that measurement isn't given on their website (anyone got a set they can measure?). You would need to have the frame clearance and racks could get in the way. I intend to find out about the Motolites and consider switching at some point. Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders
Jim, Thanks for the info, others too! Seems like this V brake clearance thing is a non-issue so long as I get the right brake. The brake will be supplemental (stoker controlled) to the discs--just in case on those long descents with gear. I'm new to the disc thing so the extra insurance seemed prudent. Most of the time it won't even be on the bike, but when we decide to venture into terrain we feel may warrant it, just a 10-minuite add-on. We'll get a good taste straight away as we'll collect the bike a few miles from RBW HQ, so its going to see a bit of Mt. Diablo for a couple of weeks before it returns with us to Thailand. Since you mentioned it, if you or others have any mechanical disc suggestions beyond the Avid BB7 or Bengal caliper/Shimano Ice rotor combo, would love to hear them. Owen On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:09:34 PM UTC+7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Just reread your post about this being for a CoMo Java. Why on earth aren't you getting disc brakes?!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] V-Brakes and wide 700c tires w/fenders
Any experience out there with V-brakes, fenders and tires in 700c x 50mm range? One 50mm Big Ben reviewer http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tben.htmwas having success, but was not running fenders. Anyone else? Wondering what the max 700c tire-fender combo might be, and maybe the brake to go with it, as this Co-Motion Java frame we're working to order will not accommodate canti cabeling in the rear--not enough space given its more horizontal seatstay angles. Thanks, Owen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Tandems East http://www.tandemseast.com/parts/brakes.html has them, but they will cost you. Also they are working with Co Motion on a replacement now that the Arai is no longer produced. On Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:06:04 AM UTC+7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Is a thread-on drum brake even an option on a new tandem these days? I was looking for an Arai drum a few years ago, and it didn't seem to exist anymore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Thanks for that feedback Ed. All quite useful. On Friday, February 22, 2013 11:29:50 PM UTC+7, dailyrandonneur wrote: Owen -- We've been very happy with two discs for the riding we do in the east, which are mostly steep relatively short downhills. In the west I could see using a drum on long multi-mile descents, especially when loaded. In Colorado I had to scrub speed periodically which works fine, but with a drum one could engage it and just ride. That said I rode tandem with cantis in the past and would not go back, given the power of discs in wet conditions. Our previous Speedster was set up to take discs, drum and cantis, but we never installed anything but disks. The handling of our Java is only slightly slower than our Speedster. Still more responsive than our Cannondale MTB tandem. Dwan told me they worked to make the Java handle similar to the Speedster when using comparable size tires. They design with low bottom brackets which helps. We have not used tires bigger than 700x 32 yet so can't say how bigger tires might affect handling. I asked for it to be a little more stable on slow uphills than our Speedster and Dwan achieved that. Wheels -- we haven't had an issue with 700c wheels in SS cases, with tires deflated. Ed On Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:54:19 PM UTC-5, Salween wrote: Did decide on a custom, coupled Java frame. Couple of questions for Ed. 1) I saw in your Speedster farewell poshttp://thedailyrandonneur.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/we-bid-farewell-to-our-tandem-companion-the-co-motion-speedster/t that you decided to forgo canti brake studs on the Java. So you guys have been pretty happy with just the two discs, even for touring? Considering the same for the first time, but the Arai sure has been a trusted friend when needed. 2) How do you find the handling given that the Java's front geometry is quite a bit different from Co-Motion's other tandems--and as Jay noted possibly akin to 32mm tires on a Santana? Thanks, Owen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Did decide on a custom, coupled Java frame. Couple of questions for Ed. 1) I saw in your Speedster farewell poshttp://thedailyrandonneur.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/we-bid-farewell-to-our-tandem-companion-the-co-motion-speedster/t that you decided to forgo canti brake studs on the Java. So you guys have been pretty happy with just the two discs, even for touring? Considering the same for the first time, but the Arai sure has been a trusted friend when needed. 2) How do you find the handling given that the Java's front geometry is quite a bit different from Co-Motion's other tandems--and as Jay noted possibly akin to 32mm tires on a Santana? Thanks, Owen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Wow, thank you all so much for the input. Pretty much confirms what I thought that we would probably want clearances for up to 50mm with fenders. 1) Co-Motion Java Yes, should have mentioned that I've looked pretty long and hard at this offering, but wondered if the frame might be a bit overkill as we won't necessarily be doing much trail per say, and as was noted Co-Motion's Dawn said it was stiffer than their Speedster. Though I'm pretty tall, 36 inseam, but we're not a an overly heavy team at 280#? Also, while it says touring, kind of surprised that it's lowest gear with 29er tires is a 30-34--and the granny can't get much smaller My Sam's got lower gears than that, as do Co-Motions touring singles. Also, the duel disks seem a bit sub-optimal for descents over a mile or so with gear (overheating)? Seems like the tried and true cantis with drum would be better--at least as an option? So certainly would be looking at building out a frame if go this rout. When I asked about fitting a 64/104 spidered triple, the sales rep would not confirm it would fit and said I would need to check with the crank supplier-DaVinci? Also don't know about room for canti studs on the rear given how the triangle is configured? Will need to check that too. 2) Wheel diameters (26, 650b, 700c) Yup, trust 26 will offer the greatest confidence, and can confirm on our Cannondale that 40* Rhyno Lites can really take a beating and hold true (though one broken nipple) for thousands of miles. However, it seems 700c rim/wheel strength can be pretty good these days as well, and I think we might find a bit more comfort over the smaller ruts and long haul with the slightly longer circumference. Hard to know exactly, but I'm far more comfortable on my Sam with 33/35mm tires than the Cannondale with 26x1.9--and their could be all manner of reasons for this beyond the tires/wheels: aluminum tubes So exploring the 700c option and wondering how wide we should be prepared to go if we choose to. The 650b option is interesting. Certainly a growing number of tire choices out there. But I've not seen many rim options at 36-hole and none at 40-hole, but maybe 36 is enough for our needs? What are folks using for touring tandems? 3) R+E Yes, had a visit there and test road one of their tandems. Nice folks for sure. One reason the Java looks interesting is that we likely may want a pair of couplers as we move/travel with the bike a lot, and one less tube would be kind of nice. The R+E frame price would sill be a bit less though. But one thing that I found a bit odd though, is that when looking at their build options, say substituting DaVinci cranks or a Thudbuster ST stoker post, R+E is actually charging customers well above the retail price if you just went ahead and purchased them on you own--independently of the fact that it's a substitution for the stoker post or Sugino tandem crankset. Same with Phil hubs, etc. There's no more work involved? In general, however, their philosophy seems to be more Riv-like than most, and like that. Again, this input has been very useful, especially hearing from an actual Java owner, and look forward to any more that might follow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Don't know if Grant and Co. will ever produce a tandem, so in the meantime will be getting one elsewhere. Seems like most tandems out there follow the skinny tire theme, with the exception of R+E in Seattle and Bilenky in Philadelphia, and even their tire clearances don't seem to push as far north as nearly all Riv singles. So wondering if there are any tandem riders here and what tire widths they prefer. On my Sam I ride 33/35mm tires often on marginal roads. So wondering what that might translate to on a 700c tandem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
