from:"Will"

That Facebook post is from Jan 2023 so I gotta assume that bike is gone. Also the head tube looks very tall for a 54. Does anyone know if there were 700c versions of AHH in 54.5?On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kim H. wrote:@Brenton -If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue Homer under the owner's name of
Payton Beargrr
Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post-Brooks saddle-Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers-Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters-Riv Silver double crankset-IRD front derailleur-Shimano Alivio rear derailleur-MKS Grip Monarch pedals-mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims-Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b-Sackville bagThe only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, noted in the pictures. $2500 + shipping. Let me know if you have any questions.Kim Hetzel.

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

Yep. 170 sugino XD2 triple on both bikes. On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Jim in Mpls wrote:Is your crank length the same on both bikes?On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work. It came with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward on the rails. Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back (also on a zero offset post). I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good. On the Roadini it feels like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an unnatural pedal stroke. I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.Anyone else notice this? I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question first.Thanks!

[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

2024-04-27 Thread Jim in Mpls

Is your crank length the same on both bikes?

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd 
> position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also 
> have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"
>
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>>
>> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
>> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
>> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
>> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
>> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
>> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
>> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
>> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
>> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
>> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
>> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>>
>> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way 
>> forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this 
>> question first.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

2024-04-27 Thread Kim H.

@Brenton -
If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue Homer 
under the owner's name of 
*Payton Beargrr* 

 

Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. Unsure 
of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I am not 
the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
-Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
-Brooks saddle
-Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
-Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
-Riv Silver double crankset
-IRD front derailleur
-Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
-MKS Grip Monarch pedals
-mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
-Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
-Sackville bag
The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, noted 
in the pictures. 
$2500 + shipping. 
Let me know if you have any questions.

Kim Hetzel.
On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
> other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in 
> new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] FS: parts clear out (wheel sets, bags, stems, brakes...)

2024-04-27 Thread Logan Eiland

Hi all. To make an upcoming move easier, I'm hoping to clear out all parts
and accessories not currently in use. Open to offers especially if bundling
multiple items. Prices do not include shipping from zip code 48103.

Link to photos

1. 700c Velocity A23 singlespeed wheelset, White Industries 18t
freewheel, & Ultradynamico 700x42 Cava tires. Bought all this new. Wheels,
freewheel, and tires ridden under 1 mile. $450.
2. 650b Velocity Dyad wheelset, Deore hubs, Col de la Vie tires. In
great shape. Ridden fewer than 5 miles. $275.
3. Set of Velo Orange wing nuts. $35.
4. Velo Orange 1x crankset, 40t chainring, 165mm crank arm length. $90.
5. Rivendell Baggins handlebar bag. $35.
6. One pair of blue Swift Industries panniers. Never used. Small grease
marks on the front of one bag. No stains or signs of use on the inside.
$120.
7. Acorn rando bag. $80.
8. Brooks saddle with brass rivets and silver rails. $75.
9. Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddle. $165.
10. Black Sim Works bar end plugs. $15.
11. MKS Sylvan Gordito pedals. $35.
12. Bruce Gordon stem. $65.
13. Ritchey Force stem. $30.
14. Nitto faceplater stem. $65.
15. Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters. Never used, still in the box. $90.
16. Busch-muller IQ-XS front dynamo light. $80.
17. Nitto NR21 rear rack. $90.
18. Salsa Casseroll canti mount front rack. $65.
19. Ocean Air Cycles x Nitto Erlen rear rack. $80.
20. Dia Compe long reach center pull brakes. Unused. $80.
21. Gran Compe center pull brakes. Unused. $110.
22. Shimano Deore 9s rear derailleur. $25.
23. Dia Compe BRS 100 short reach brakes. $30.
24. Shimano V-brakes. bolts missing. free with purchase of anything else.
25. TRP CX 8.4 V-brakes. $55.
26. S-Ride 11s rear derailleur. $10.
27. Hsin Lung stem and mustache bar (from 1993 Bridgestone XO-3). $40.
28. Velo Orange Randonneur handlebar. $15.

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[RBW] ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in 
new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd 
position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also 
have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"


On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>
> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>
> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward 
> on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question 
> first.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

2024-04-27 Thread Jay

I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February.
Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.

It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work. It came
with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB
compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped
things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward
on the rails. Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST
angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back
(also on a zero offset post). I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling;
on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good. On the Roadini it feels
like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an
unnatural pedal stroke. I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is
coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.

Anyone else notice this? I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward
on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question
first.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Jim M.

Quickbeam came with 40/32 chainrings. The fork ends were long enough to 
cover the 8-t difference.

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you 
>> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW 
>> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give 
>> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware 
>> and bulk.
>>
>
> Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to 
> accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable 
> travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain 
> tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have 
> to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require 
> chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the 
> 3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.
>

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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

2024-04-27 Thread J J

Thanks Eric and Jim! Will's blog post was the first I saw of the full paint 
job and the build. Up to yesterday afternoon I had only seen a few low res 
teaser images, so I've been soaking in Will's fantastic photos. I'm blown 
away by the care and detail of Rick's paint job. I had told Rick that I 
hope he has fun with the bike, and it feels like he did. And Antonio did 
such a clean, lovely build. Thanks Antonio! I can't wait to see the bike in 
person. And to ride it!

@Jim, the blue ring around the pump peg really got me, too, as did the 
lining around the top and bottom of the head tube and the little circle 
cutouts in the fork crown. Incredible detail and beyond what I was 
expecting.

@Eric, thanks for the kind words. I can see the deep rusty pink tones now 
that you mention it. Like I said in the writeup, copper is super tricky. 
There are so many colors posing as copper! You've got a great eye about the 
lime 
green Newbaum's with amber shellac. I went back and forth on tape and Will 
urged the lime. I'm stoked about how it turned out. 

This project has been a long time in the making. Everyone I worked with, 
directly and indirectly — Rick on the paint, Rich on the wheels, Will and 
the entire Rivendell crew on everything else — was super welcoming, 
accessible, and engaging. And they made the entire process a lot of fun, 
which above all is what bikes should be about as far as I'm concerned. 

Jim

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:55:46 PM UTC-4 Jim in Mpls wrote:

> The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
> detailing!
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update 
>> is a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71_eid=592b20cfa2
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>>
>> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so 
>> the colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered 
>> brass, copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love 
>> it all the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted 
>> Rick at D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well 
>> done, I must say. 
>>
>> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
>> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
>> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
>> This bike looks like a blast. 
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you
> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW
> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give
> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware
> and bulk.
>

Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to
accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable
travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain
tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have
to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require
chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the
3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.

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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

2024-04-27 Thread Jim in Mpls

The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
detailing!
Jim

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update is 
> a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71_eid=592b20cfa2
>
> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>
> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so the 
> colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered brass, 
> copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love it all 
> the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted Rick at 
> D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well done, I 
> must say. 
>
> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
> This bike looks like a blast. 
>
> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Patrick Moore

We had a similar conversation back in February and, among the topic
discussed was, why 3X1 instead of 1X3? Bill pointed out that commercially
available 3 speed fws of good quality with huge tooth gaps are hard to
find, whereas anyone can find a triple crank.

But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing
effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in
front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without
a IGH.

Question: I've never followed BMX, but IIRC I've read of 2-speed BMX
freehubs; was that really a thing? If so, perhaps that would be the ideal
low-cog-count/big-ratio-jump system. And then there are those packages of
spacers and ss HG-freehub-compatible kits that allow you to use just 1 --
or a few -- cogs on your 7-8-9-etc.-speed freehub.

Long ago I asked Phil Wood & Co. if they'd build me a fixed hub that would
accept 3 sprockets. They replied, "Sure! Figure on about $400" -- this in
circa 2000 dollars which per the DoL Inflation Calculator is ~$740 in 2024
monopoly money. With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal
cam QR you could have yourself a very good time without the need for a
lousy (and FWIW considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A 44 X
17/20/24 would give you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively
unobtrusive hardware and bulk.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

2024-04-27 Thread Robert Calton

Found a good deal on a pair of Atlas/WI wheels. Thanks all for the feedback 
and offers and I look forward to posting the new build next month :) 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:42:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Maybe?
>
> Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
> the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
> it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
> neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
> set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
> the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
> awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
> would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
>> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
>> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
>> would fit. 
>>
>> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
>> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

2024-04-27 Thread Edwin W

Both bikes look AMAAAZING.
We have to figure out a ride together!

Edwin

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:24:18 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some 
> parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it 
> and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

2024-04-27 Thread Teague Scott

Haven't heard of an old Trek frame potentially fitting 48s... what year is 
this 510? I have an '83 614 frame hanging up in the shed, waiting for a 
650b conversion. From what I've read it'll fit 42s & fenders, but only with 
dimpling.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:15:03 PM UTC-6 exliontamer wrote:

> No clear coating over the paint but it's a smart idea. I'm guessing you 
> may have seen it but the vintage Trek site is a gem. It's usually easy to 
> narrow down the year by geometry, tubing, and components since they did a 
> lot of switching up. http://www.vintage-trek.com/TrekBrochures.htm
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:00:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing your 'technique' with the Trek. I hadn't thought of 
>> using a paint pen for detailing - though it makes perfect sense. 
>> Wondering if you clear coated over the paint to finish it up? 
>>
>> BTW, I'm now keeping my eye open for a 510 or 710 (or similar) and I'm 
>> placing the blame on your Picard Special!!!
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> I had a blast doing this and happy to share anything! Definitely not 
>>> making Joe Bell or CycleArt break a sweat. The base is just a plain British 
>>> racing green. The rest is me just being semi-patient with fine tip water 
>>> based acrylic paint markers. I went for different colors on the fork blades 
>>> and stays, had those meet on the headtube & seattube, & let them all fade 
>>> into each other on the top tube and downtube. I want to do something 
>>> similar with a proper pro-powdercoated bike (and a little more patience) at 
>>> some point. 
>>> These old Treks from this era (the 510 & 710 specifically) are one of my 
>>> favorite designed bikes of all time. Even before the 650b conversion it 
>>> cleared 32s easily (may have fit 35s/never tried). You can pick these up 
>>> for a silly good price usually too and they're so common in the Midwest it 
>>> seems like they were giving them away. 
>>> [image: IMG_5532.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5533.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>
 It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard 
 Special - love it! 

 You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike 
 restorations over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you 
 mind 
 adding some fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?

 Steve in AVL
 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit 
> my short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in 
> the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a 
> reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to 
> top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, 
> quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & 
> some parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job 
> on 
> it and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay

With your 7402 "tensioner" you could run a tiny short cable, such that 
twisting the barrel adjuster pulls it from the 17 to the 19.  I run that 
setup on a different bike.  

I'm summiting mount Diablo once a month, and I'm plotting which month this 
summer I ride my 3x1 Romulus.  Maybe July.  

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-27 Thread Bill Lindsay

Nice Paul wheels!  Good luck with it

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 6:47:18 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> A gentleman never tells (of his relationship to certain Rivendell 
> employees, nor his local bike shop with a Rivendell account).
>
> Quietly confident I’ll be able to get one in my size now, tho…
>
> Hopefully even color choice, too. 
>
> I even picked up the wheelset I needed while up in the bay.
>
> I think that means I have most of what I need to build version 1.0.
>
> Let’s see…
>
> [image: IMG_6571]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 5:43 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” 
> pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie 
> presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged 
> Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?
>
> I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting 
> in Toledo may be futile.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
> legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
> get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
> money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
> agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
> are ready to do a pre-sale.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> Brilliant Bill.
>>
>> And good reference/inspiration.
>>
>> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>>
>> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>>
>> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>>
>> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
>> sure tho!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>> Campy Part" club:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>
>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
>> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>> with these tires.  
>>
>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
>> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
>> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>
>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Bilenkey Tandem 4 Sale

2024-04-27 Thread Michael Hechmer

*The Basics:*

- Custom, Large, Coupled, Touring Tandem
- Brazed Steel, Powder Coated English Racing Green
- Dimensions:
- Head Tube - 10.5” / 26.5 C
- Top Tubes - 22.5/57 & 30.5/77.5
- Seat Tubes - 22.75 / 58 & 17.75/45.5
- Wheels - White Ind. Hubs & DaVinci V22 Rims 26” with 36 spokes
- Crank - DaVinci with TA Zypher rings; 48/38/26
- Casette 9 speed - Shimano Ultegra 12 -32
- Deraillers - IRD Alpina & Shimano Ultegra
- Shifters - Shimano Bar End Indexed/Friction
- Brakes - Paul’s Neo-Retro with Tectro Levers, braise-ons for drum brake
- Head Set - Chris King, Stem - Nitto
- Bars - Nitto Noodle & Nitto Albatross
- Seat Posts Nitto & Cane Creek Thudbuster
- Tires Panaracer
- Chains - Connex
- Kick Stand - Two legs
- Front & Rear Touring Racks - Nitto, powder coated to match the frame.
- Fenders - Velo Orange
- Saddle & Pedals not included

*Also Available*

- Two Hard Shell Suitcases
- Yakima Sidewinder car top carrier

*The Pictures*

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oG7HOIlGKhAR1

*The Performance:*

This is a large touring tandem built for strength and stability under
weight. It rides beautifully with or without load and is comfortable on
both dirt and paved surfaces It is outfitted with top flight equipment
that will not fail you. The rear top tube is quite long which affords the
stoker a more spacious cockpit. The stays are long enough to accomodate
large paniers without interfering with the stoker’s heels. The design
point was for 2”tires with fenders but currently fitted with 1.75 (1.5
actual) tires, which is all we could get the last time we replaced them.
The cranks have three pedal drillings to accomodate a range of leg lengths.

*The Deal:*

$2500 picked up at our home in Westford, VT. or shipped at cost

Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-27 Thread Johnny Alien

The Dream bar was the classic standard drop bar made for Rivendell by 
Nitto. If I remember correctly its what they offered prior to the Noodle. 
It was sold along with the Noodle bar for a bit before they just dropped it 
because the Noodle was the drop they would suggest over all others. 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:32:41 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the clarification.  My posts weren't meant to be adversarial, 
> just pedantic.  I came into Riv via EcoVelo ~2010, and I didn't own my 
> first Riv until 2013, so the "Soba" predates me, and I thought that y'all 
> were using it colloquially for "So Bar"--the marketing content from Sim 
> Works makes references to literal soba noodles.  I'm curious if the 
> contemporary "So Bar" is inspired by the "Soba".
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
>> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>>
>> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made 
>> by Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 
>>
>> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto 
>> Soba Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
>>> Sim Works:
>>>
>>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>>
>>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so 
>>> I don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
>>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
>>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>>
>>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  
>>> Sim Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
>>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>>
>>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use 
>>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
>>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
>>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
>>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
>>> wider.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
 listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
 was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
 offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
 centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
 regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate 
 the 
 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm 
 ones 
 off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
 my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
 Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.

 On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell 
> them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  
> That's 
> my advice.  ;)
>
> BL in EC
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-27 Thread Conway Bennett

Bill,

Thanks for the clarification.  My posts weren't meant to be adversarial,
just pedantic.  I came into Riv via EcoVelo ~2010, and I didn't own my
first Riv until 2013, so the "Soba" predates me, and I thought that y'all
were using it colloquially for "So Bar"--the marketing content from Sim
Works makes references to literal soba noodles.  I'm curious if the
contemporary "So Bar" is inspired by the "Soba".


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a
> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>
> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by
> Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s
>
> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba
> Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar.
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from
>> Sim Works:
>>
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>
>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I
>> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm
>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was
>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>
>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim
>> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily
>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>
>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use
>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning
>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All
>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm
>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got
>> wider.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are
>>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding
>>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm
>>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54
>>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv
>>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the
>>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather
>>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones
>>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be
>>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the
>>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell
 them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's
 my advice.  ;)

 BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-27 Thread Igor

Retro-Gression sells both the Noodle (Which is the M177) and the Dream 
(M176). Both, per the description, are designed by Rivendell, and I notice 
that the M176 is 26mm clamp, has a 140mm drop/90mm reach - is this the Soba 
or something 
else? https://www.retro-gression.com/products/nitto-m176-dream-handlebar 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:48:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>
> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by 
> Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 
>
> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba 
> Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
>> Sim Works:
>>
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>
>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I 
>> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>
>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim 
>> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>
>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use 
>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
>> wider.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell 
 them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's 
 my advice.  ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s

The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by 
Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 

Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba 
Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 

BL in EC


On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
> Sim Works:
>
> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>
> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I 
> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>
> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim 
> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>
> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use the 
> Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
> wider.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them.  
>>> Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
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[RBW] WTB: Wooly Warm sleeveless merino tank

2024-04-26 Thread Eric Marth

Hello friends — Cross-posted wool search happenin here and on iBob :0)  

I have an older Wooly Warm sleeveless tank that I purchased used and I 
really like it. If you have one in size large or extra-large that you're 
willing to part with please drop me a note and let me know your price 
shipped to 22401. Color, condition and/or a picture would be helpful as 
well. 

Thanks! 
Eric in Virginia 

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Richard Rose

It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting in Toledo may be futile.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Committing to yourself is the first step. Stating it on the RBW Group is legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two. If you wanted to get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to agree to hold one for you in your size. He may tell you to wait until they are ready to do a pre-sale. BL in ECOn Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-26 Thread Conway Bennett

I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from Sim
Works:

https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar

They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I
don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm
Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was
released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.

It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim
Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily
discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."

I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use the
Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning
Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All
Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm
Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got
wider.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett 
wrote:

> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are
> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding
> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm
> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54
> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv
> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the
> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather
> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones
> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be
> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the
> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them.
>> Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my
>> advice.  ;)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
are ready to do a pre-sale.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> Brilliant Bill.
>
> And good reference/inspiration.
>
> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>
> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>
> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>
> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
> sure tho!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
> with these tires.  
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Dan

Bill:
Yes, that’s how I’ve been managing it. Works perfectly that way, and I take 
it as good training for front derailluer shifts. 

Kiziria:
Thank you so much, that’s EXACTLY what I’m looking for! I’ll be sourcing 
one of these for sure. Wow. 

On Saturday 27 April 2024 at 09:05:18 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Plenty of Shimano Shark Fin's on eBay and elsewhere still to be had. Chain 
> suck be gone. 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
>> flying around?"
>>
>> Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
>> there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
>> slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
>> coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
>> practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
>> mishap to happen from the big ring.  
>>
>> Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito. CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
>>> not the OP's actual question:
>>>
>>> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
>>> and chainstay?*
>>> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on 
>>> a bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
>>> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>>>
>>> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 
>>> 115mm BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> recommends a 119mm.
>>> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
>>> Ultraromance did 
>>>  on his 
>>> Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
>>> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
>>> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
>>> lessen the chain flying around?
>>>
>>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
 chain, longer than a single chain.

 For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
 tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
 chain?

 What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...

 Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,

 Edwin

>>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread P W

I said: “I’m getting one!”P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose wrote:How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Richard Rose

How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W wrote:Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Eric Daume

I've had a Melvin in my parts stash for years that's looking for a reason,
so this build kind of appeals to me. But, out here in the flatlands, I
don't really need three super widely spaced gears. With my
cruising (normally fixed) gear of 44x17, maybe something like 44/40/36,
about 10% jumps. Hmm, maybe I'll see what rings I have in stock.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches
> with these tires.
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo
> summit on the RoadTrio.
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-26 Thread Johnny Alien

When RIvendell sold them back in the day I think Grant said they were about 
60g lighter than a standard noodle bar. That is right in line with what you 
found, Bill.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 7:26:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  
>
> They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
> Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
> them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
> is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
> "ultralight" flavor.  
>
> There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
> loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
> identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
> Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
> 440mm.  
>
> The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
> end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
> my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
> to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
> Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
> in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
> the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
> loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Armand Kizirian

Plenty of Shimano Shark Fin's on eBay and elsewhere still to be had. Chain 
suck be gone. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
> flying around?"
>
> Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
> there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
> slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
> coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
> practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
> mishap to happen from the big ring.  
>
> Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito. CA
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
>> not the OP's actual question:
>>
>> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
>> and chainstay?*
>> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
>> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
>> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>>
>> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 
>> 115mm BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
>> 
>>  
>> recommends a 119mm.
>> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
>> Ultraromance did  
>> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
>> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
>> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
>> lessen the chain flying around?
>>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>>
>>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>>> chain?
>>>
>>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>>
>>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

"Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  

They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
"ultralight" flavor.  

There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
440mm.  

The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>> advice.  ;)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread P W

Brilliant Bill.And good reference/inspiration.I tried out an Uno on Monday.And committed to a 57 for myself!I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for sure tho!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires. I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit on the RoadTrio. Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA

Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

2024-04-26 Thread Eric Marth

Beautiful pics and badass ride as per your usual, Jason! Thanks for 
sharing, that's one I'd love to have joined you for. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 10:27:58 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Love your photos, as always… made even better with descriptive ride 
> reports!
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:07 AM, John  wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
> absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.
>
> John in Minnesota
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

2024-04-26 Thread Brian Turner

Josh- Thanks! the Toyo serial numbers for Atlantis should start with the 
abbreviation “AT”, followed by maybe 4 digits? Mine reads across the bottom f 
the BB shell, whereas Waterfords are usually longer serial codes and read along 
the edge of one side. Also, Waterfords may be stamped “Rivendell” or 
“Waterford”.

Hopefully others here can either confirm or dispute my info regarding this.

Brian
Lex KY 

> On Apr 26, 2024, at 1:40 PM, Josh C  wrote:
> 
> Killer setup, Brian. Looks similar to my Toyo. BTW how can you tell from the 
> serial number? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mysterious Mid-Reach Fork in Rambouillet paint

2024-04-26 Thread Wyatt

SOLD

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:07:23 PM UTC-5 Wyatt wrote:

> Here's a fine fork that's been collecting dust in my closet that deserves 
> to find a home. Here's what I can tell you about it:
>
> - ~375 a-c
> - Mid reach brakes (57mm)
> - Clears a 38mm tire
> - ~225mm threaded 1" steerer
> - ~40mm rake
> - Eyelet for fenders at dropouts and under crown
> - 883g on the scale
>
> How about $75 plus shipping?
>
> Here's the mystery:
>
> Years and years ago, I bought a Rivendell Rambouillet from a disgruntled 
> roadie who hadn't liked the way it rode initially, bought a second fork and 
> had it painted to match the frame, decided he didn't like that either, and 
> sold me the frame and both forks. The Rambouillet is a great bike and I 
> don't know what that guy's problem was, but I've never needed two forks for 
> it and so the second one has been getting knocked around with my bike stuff 
> for decades now. I can't remember who he said made the fork.
>
> My best guess is that it is a Waterford fork (it appears to match the "Sloped 
> solid touring crown 
> "
>  
> fork they built) but could be something else. In any case, I'm sure there's 
> a frame out there that needs this fork more than it needs to be hanging 
> around in my storage closet.
>
> If nothing else, does anyone have theories on the origin of the fork?
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-26 Thread Conway Bennett

Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
> advice.  ;)
>
> BL in EC
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
 Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
advice.  ;)

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

"maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
flying around?"

Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
mishap to happen from the big ring.  

Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito. CA

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
> not the OP's actual question:
>
> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
> and chainstay?*
> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>
> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 115mm 
> BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
> 
>  
> recommends a 119mm.
> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
> Ultraromance did  
> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
> lessen the chain flying around?
>
> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
>> longer than a single chain.
>>
>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>> chain?
>>
>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>
>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Dan

I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
not the OP's actual question:

*How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre and 
chainstay?*
I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.

My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 115mm 
BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 

recommends a 119mm.
After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
Ultraromance did  
on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
lessen the chain flying around?

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

I stumbled across some crochet gloves that I bought from Rive and then hid 
them away because I hated them. The label inside says the maker is 
"InMotion". I recall the transaction because Riv told me they run comically 
small.  I wear a Medium in absolutely everything and these "XL" gloves 
squeeze my fingers.  They are free to anybody who wants them and wants to 
give me something small for free in the future.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53681302024/in/dateposted/



On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
> number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
> one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
> it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
> quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
>> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>>
 If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
 https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
 Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
 Tom in Alexandria, VA

 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>
> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>
>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>> ton 
>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>> durable 
>> and fashionable.  
>>
>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>> is totally boring.  
>>
>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>
>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential 
>> for 
>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't 
>> have 
>> anything good.  
>>
>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>> options?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-26 Thread Johnny Alien

Look at Bill just strolling in and flexing about his super stash of these 
bars.  :)

It looks like I might have a line on one but I agree that they would knock 
these out quick if they did a small release of them.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:16:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've 
> told Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he 
> did a presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
> actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
> sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
> $140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
> that would make sense for all involved.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
>> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
>> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 58 Toyo Atlantis

2024-04-26 Thread Keith Paugh

Hi Dylan,

I think this 58 would be too big for me, but I was glad to see another LA
Riv.
What part of town are you in?

k.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 2:30 PM dylan green 
wrote:

> After a lot of inner back and forth - I've decided to sell my stunning
> Toyo built Atlantis as a frame set with some extras. The wheelset is
> available separately or added on at a discount if you grab the frameset. I
> have some Nitto racks also available separately and will list those later
> in a parts posting.
>
> Size is 58 (700c) and has the desirable shorter chainstays. I have a PBH
> of 86.5 and Grant put me on this Atlantis. The overall condition is VERY
> clean. The only imperfection worth noting is on the chain stay. It is
> hidden when the crank is installed. The paint is still shiny as new. Also
> included is an Ultegra headset, Shimano BB, nitto drop bar and stem as
> well as campy shifters (mirage).
>
> I love this frame, I've had it for a long time. But my riding time is
> going down each year. I was planning yet another rebuild for this, but more
> and more I just reach for my bridgestone when I want to go for a cruise. I
> am in Los Angeles and can drop it off at a shop for packing/shipping - but
> I'd ask that you work with them on payment and getting FedEx to pick it up.
>
> $2500
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

Maybe?

Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
> would fit. 
>
> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B-17 Pre-Aged, Vintage BH cycling gloves, Ergon GP-1, & Ultegra brake pads

2024-04-26 Thread exliontamer

UPDATE:
Ergons & Brooks are sold.

* BH cycling gloves. Vintage NOS made in France. Leather & red terry cloth. 
One pair is size 6 1/2 (XS) & the other is a 9 1/2 (L). I'm a pretty solid 
XL in gloves and will say that the 9 1/2 fits like a pretty standard large 
glove. $25 each

* Shimano Ultegra BR-6403 pads. These were the stock pads on the old 600 
Ultegra Tri-color brakes. $15 for the pair.

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:36:50 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Garage clean out. All prices are shipped to the lower 48.
>
> * Dark Brown Brooks B-17 Pre-Aged. Minimal use. $90
>
> * Ergon GP-1 BioKork Large. Essentially new. Briefly mounted and went back 
> to Oury. Has the bar end caps. $30
>
> * BH cycling gloves. Vintage NOS made in France. Leather & red terry 
> cloth. One pair is size 6 1/2 (XS) & the other is a 9 1/2 (L). I'm a pretty 
> solid XL in gloves and will say that the 9 1/2 fits like a pretty standard 
> large glove. $25 each
>
> * Shimano Ultegra BR-6403 pads. These were the stock pads on the old 600 
> Ultegra Tri-color brakes. $15 for the pair.
>
> [image: IMG_5549.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5550.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

2024-04-26 Thread Nick A.

PM sent!

Nick in Falls Church VA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
> luck with your sale!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
>> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Doug,
>>>
>>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
>>> seem to work for me.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
 need to sell to clear some space in my work are.

1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. 
Spins true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. 
 Silver 
rim and black hub. $140 shipped
2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped

 Photos in this link Parts for Sale 

 Doug
 Athens, Ga

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've told 
Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he did a 
presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
$140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
that would make sense for all involved.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] FS: 55cm Heron Wayfarer (Touring) frame, fork and fenders

2024-04-26 Thread Igor

Frame seen here: https://i.imgur.com/1EUVZah.jpg

More photos coming soon as I part everything out. 

Frame, fork, and fenders. There is NO headset.

$950 shipped USA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-26 Thread Ken Yokanovich

Another vote for product re-introduction, re-release.

-Ken who is not as concerned about the weight as much as has a preference 
for their simpler aesthetics.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

2024-04-26 Thread Robert Calton

Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
would fit. 

I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

2024-04-26 Thread Gordon Stam

Hey Bill, nice build on the 3x1. Used frames and lots of spare parts are fun 
that way.

G

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behalf of Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 12:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me Romulus 
into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory enabled a build 
concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming RoadUNO.  It's got a 
single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from Joe B), a triple crank with 
46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the front derailleur.  This morning 
I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike 
for my "Every Bike should have one Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a quick 
release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will likely 
rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs are both 
black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This accomplishes two 
things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it generates ample 
clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches with these tires.

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo summit 
on the RoadTrio.

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 a 
try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me
Romulus into service. Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory
enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming
RoadUNO. It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from
Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the
front derailleur. This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a
Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one
Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a
quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub. I will
likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub. Now the F+R hubs
are both black. Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires. This
accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it
generates ample clearance for fenders. The three gears are 35/53/68 inches
with these tires.

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a
build concept. It works. I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo
summit on the RoadTrio.

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1
a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

2024-04-26 Thread Rich Lesnik

Bike is sold. Thanks everyone!

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:55:46 AM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Price bump: Obviously posted too-high asking price. If anyone's 
> interested, make an offer!
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 4:59:49 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Try posting one pic at a time.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> This is for a phone, I take screenshots of the photos and it works. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of 
>>> the previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
>>> notification when I try to post them.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>>
 This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
 anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
 built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
 triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
 pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to 
 post 
 photos on the forum!)

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Edwin W

Awesome advice from all of you, two chains on the way!

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:20:21 AM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Buy two KMC z9's for dirt cheap. Toss the leftover second chain in the 
> parts bin for the next 3 chain replacements. 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 4:38:56 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:
>>
>> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
>> buy one close.
>>
>>  
>> ^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
>> links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
>> enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
>> or eight links to get the correct length.
>>
>> https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Mackenzy Albright

Buy two KMC z9's for dirt cheap. Toss the leftover second chain in the 
parts bin for the next 3 chain replacements. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 4:38:56 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:
>
> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
> buy one close.
>
>  
> ^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
> links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
> enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
> or eight links to get the correct length.
>
> https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se
>
> Nick Payne
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

2024-04-26 Thread Brian Turner

Love your photos, as always… made even better with descriptive ride reports!On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:07 AM, John  wrote:Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.John in Minnesota



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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

2024-04-26 Thread John

Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.

John in Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: FS: Teravail Cannonball Tires 700c x 47 Durable - $50

2024-04-26 Thread Justin Kennedy

Oops forgot to mention these are the tan sidewall version... 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I have a set of low mileage, no flats (tube mounted) Teravail Cannonball 
> Tires for sale. 
>
> -700c x 47 (29 x 47)
> -Durable casing
> -Compatibility: Tubeless
> -Bead: Folding
> -Casing: 60 TPI
>
> https://www.teravail.com/product/teravail-cannonball-tire-394759-1.htm
>
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[RBW] FS: Teravail Cannonball Tires 700c x 47 Durable - $50

2024-04-26 Thread Justin Kennedy

I have a set of low mileage, no flats (tube mounted) Teravail Cannonball 
Tires for sale. 

-700c x 47 (29 x 47)
-Durable casing
-Compatibility: Tubeless
-Bead: Folding
-Casing: 60 TPI

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-26 Thread Nick Payne

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and buy 
one close.

 
^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
or eight links to get the correct length.

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

2024-04-26 Thread Marcus Gomersall

Thanks so much. I kind of feel like I’m joining myself on a ride when I
watch my videos too. My inner monologue with the distraction of coffees,
food and pretty bikes. Thanks for watching!

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:08, Tony Lockhart  wrote:

> Good stuff, Marcus. I like your storytelling sensibilitiesKind of
> feels like I'm travelling while watching your films due to the variety of
> content you share. I also appreciate the bike checks you add.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Riv had been on my radar for a while but was a bit out of my price range
>> for a while. Before I bought a Riv, I built up my Velo Orange Polyvalent
>> just before covid and really got back in to riding bikes every day for
>> commuting, groceries and camping adventures. I bought a Clem during the
>> bike boom and realised what all the fuss is about with Rivendell bikes!
>> Since then I also bought a Toyo canti Romulus and a Waterford Atlantis,
>> both second hand. No Riv dealer here so I bought all from the USA with some
>> help from a friend who lives in LA.
>>
>> Considering a Susie now my wife has got into riding my Clem :)
>>
>> On Tuesday 23 April 2024 at 21:43:16 UTC+9 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marcus,
>>> I've been eating up all your videos ever since your channel was linked
>>> here before! How did you discover Rivendell?  Was it back home in England
>>> or there in South Korea? Is there a Riv dealer in Seoul? A bike shop visit
>>> would be an interesting video, especially if they have Riv or similar stuff.
>>> Ezri
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,

 I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of
 my Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some
 people on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of
 my Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly
 showcasing what cycling in Korea is like.

 I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding -
 YouTube 

 Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!

 Marcus

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

2024-04-25 Thread Paul G

One thing, I think, that separates Riv road bikes from other brands is the 
maintaining of good fit AND handling geometry at the smaller frame sizes 
this thread is dealing with. The 700c wheel size has to be dealt with 
because they physically "get in the way" of good geometry more as the 
frames become smaller (because the wheels stay the same size).

Regarding the Roadeo specifically, this frame was designed with club 
riding, and even tight peloton riding, in mind so the maneuverability is 
the quickest of all the Riv road bikes. Moreover, sizes smaller than 59cm 
get thinner, superlight tubing (down to 4mm bellies) in the main triangle. 
This is assuming the current models still adhere to the original design. So 
it's lighter and perhaps more lively than the equivalent Roadini. Finally, 
it has more of the look of a classic road bike with its nearly level top 
tube.

So the Roadeo becomes more unique from the other models in the smaller 
sizes. 

I've been riding a Roadeo for 10 years now and love it.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 6:02:56 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2024-04-25 at 6.00.23 PM.png]
> @Leah -- Your Platypii are 55's, no? Might be fun to compare the numbers. 
> ;)
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wow, I show up late and there are ten thousand replies already which is 
>> too many to read through now 
>>
>> My initial thought is that going from the racing platy's very upright 
>> position all the way to a drop bar road bike is a huge jump. I have to say, 
>> drop bars are truly the best in headwinds, but getting a sweep bar setup 
>> that allows you to get low and stretch out reaching the forward 'hooks' can 
>> be a great compromise between those situations and lower-effort riding.  
>>
>> If it were me, I'd swap the Rasplaty's bar and stem to the longest of the 
>> new 90-190 stems and a Choco bar; I'd then set up the controls so that you 
>> can slide your hands all the way to the front curves without having stuff 
>> in the way (bar end shifters are great for this!) and wrap this area in 
>> Newbaums.  Then I'd slam the stem down as low as you can get away with - 
>> bars nearly at saddle level, probably. 
>>
>> I don't know if this exact thing has already been said, nor what reaction 
>> may already have been provided, so apologies if I'm being an echo!  Pocket 
>> Platy might actually be short enough you can run drop bars on it, but you'd 
>> need a very short stem to pull it off - the Nitto / Crust 'BJ' stem should 
>> do the trick; it's what I used to get my Bombadil set up with drops at an 
>> appropriate reach for me and has that classic Nitto finish and quality. 
>>
>>   
>>
>> On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 10:47:38 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur 
>>> I chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the 
>>> crappiest front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front 
>>> derailleurs are a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved 
>>> to be too crappy.  Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and 
>>> put a much nicer FD on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") 
>>> satisfies another VERY important category.  That category is "every bike 
>>> should have one Campy part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in 
>>> the club.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. 
 We await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "


 I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going 
 to break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride. 
  Pics will prove it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA


 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a 
> flyer on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell 
> it 
> if you find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>
>
> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't 
> ridden it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I 
> will be Rom-riding this summer!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at

[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

2024-04-25 Thread Tony Lockhart

Good stuff, Marcus. I like your storytelling sensibilitiesKind of feels 
like I'm travelling while watching your films due to the variety of content 
you share. I also appreciate the bike checks you add.

Keep up the good work!

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi
> Riv had been on my radar for a while but was a bit out of my price range 
> for a while. Before I bought a Riv, I built up my Velo Orange Polyvalent 
> just before covid and really got back in to riding bikes every day for 
> commuting, groceries and camping adventures. I bought a Clem during the 
> bike boom and realised what all the fuss is about with Rivendell bikes! 
> Since then I also bought a Toyo canti Romulus and a Waterford Atlantis, 
> both second hand. No Riv dealer here so I bought all from the USA with some 
> help from a friend who lives in LA.
>
> Considering a Susie now my wife has got into riding my Clem :)
>
> On Tuesday 23 April 2024 at 21:43:16 UTC+9 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Marcus,
>> I've been eating up all your videos ever since your channel was linked 
>> here before! How did you discover Rivendell?  Was it back home in England 
>> or there in South Korea? Is there a Riv dealer in Seoul? A bike shop visit 
>> would be an interesting video, especially if they have Riv or similar stuff.
>> Ezri
>>
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>>
>>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of 
>>> my Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some 
>>> people on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of 
>>> my Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>>
>>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>>> YouTube 
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Robert Calton

Thank you for all the insight, folks. I just pulled the trigger on my first 
Riv, one that comes with Paul centerpulls. So I will do a deep-dive into 
this type of brake to learn as much as I can about them. Cheers!

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 8:14:24 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I have to admit, my only centerpull experience is with bolt on Dia Compes 
> and Weimnmans, none of the fancy brakes.
>
> Then again, blue collar V brakes work great.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:55 PM Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
>
>> I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are 
>> spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for 
>> example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I 
>> attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers 
>> and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or 
>> icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse 
>> centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be 
>> excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem 
>> to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so 
>> standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't 
>> experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come 
>> from Walmart.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :
>>
>>> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is 
>>> that both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the 
>>> rims are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, 
>>> V brakes are a clear and easy win for me. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> V brake fan 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
 with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one 
 easier 
 to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
 fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 

 I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it 
 really *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports 
 v-brakes? Are there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping 
 power? I wouldn't run more than 43mm tires and fenders.  

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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Eric Daume

I have to admit, my only centerpull experience is with bolt on Dia Compes
and Weimnmans, none of the fancy brakes.

Then again, blue collar V brakes work great.

Eric

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:55 PM Josiah Anderson 
wrote:

> I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are
> spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for
> example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I
> attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers
> and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or
> icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse
> centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be
> excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem
> to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so
> standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't
> experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come
> from Walmart.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :
>
>> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is that
>> both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the rims
>> are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, V
>> brakes are a clear and easy win for me.
>>
>> Eric
>> V brake fan
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes
>>> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier
>>> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel
>>> fundamentally different than the other during the ride?
>>>
>>> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really
>>> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are
>>> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't
>>> run more than 43mm tires and fenders.
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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Josiah Anderson

I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are
spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for
example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I
attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers
and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or
icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse
centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be
excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem
to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so
standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't
experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come
from Walmart.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :

> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is that
> both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the rims
> are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, V
> brakes are a clear and easy win for me.
>
> Eric
> V brake fan
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes
>> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier
>> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel
>> fundamentally different than the other during the ride?
>>
>> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really
>> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are
>> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't
>> run more than 43mm tires and fenders.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

2024-04-25 Thread Jason Fuller

Wow, I show up late and there are ten thousand replies already which is too 
many to read through now 

My initial thought is that going from the racing platy's very upright 
position all the way to a drop bar road bike is a huge jump. I have to say, 
drop bars are truly the best in headwinds, but getting a sweep bar setup 
that allows you to get low and stretch out reaching the forward 'hooks' can 
be a great compromise between those situations and lower-effort riding.  

If it were me, I'd swap the Rasplaty's bar and stem to the longest of the 
new 90-190 stems and a Choco bar; I'd then set up the controls so that you 
can slide your hands all the way to the front curves without having stuff 
in the way (bar end shifters are great for this!) and wrap this area in 
Newbaums.  Then I'd slam the stem down as low as you can get away with - 
bars nearly at saddle level, probably. 

I don't know if this exact thing has already been said, nor what reaction 
may already have been provided, so apologies if I'm being an echo!  Pocket 
Platy might actually be short enough you can run drop bars on it, but you'd 
need a very short stem to pull it off - the Nitto / Crust 'BJ' stem should 
do the trick; it's what I used to get my Bombadil set up with drops at an 
appropriate reach for me and has that classic Nitto finish and quality. 

On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 10:47:38 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur I 
> chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the crappiest 
> front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front derailleurs are 
> a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved to be too crappy. 
>  Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and put a much nicer FD 
> on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") satisfies another VERY 
> important category.  That category is "every bike should have one Campy 
> part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in the club.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. 
>> We await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "
>>
>>
>> I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going 
>> to break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride. 
>>  Pics will prove it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer 
>>> on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
>>> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
>>> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
>>> Rom-riding this summer!
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me

[RBW] Re: Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Bob

My pertinent experience (including, for completeness, cantilevers):

   - V-brakes: Tektro 834A around 40 mm tires and fenders did indeed have 
   good stopping power, except in winter before the rims and pads warmed up 
   and dried off a little. A significant number of times when I disconnected 
   the noodle in order to remove the wheel, I had trouble getting the brake 
   centered after installing the wheel and reconnecting the noodle. This was 
   no doubt due to my own ignorance, but nevertheless it was annoying.
   - Centerpull, bolt-on: Paul Racer around 38 mm tires and fenders stopped 
   fine and, just as some users have claimed, seemed to have better modulation 
   than any other brakes I've used. I should note that I never rode the bike 
   with these brakes in really bad weather, so I have no idea how the brakes 
   would have done in winter. Always easy to center after having disconnected 
   the straddle cable to facilitate wheel removal, or even after removing the 
   brake, installing a fender, and reinstalling the brake. It was so easy I 
   thought I was doing something wrong.
   - Centerpull, direct mount: Compass/René Herse around 42 mm tires and 
   fender stop fine with excellent modulation, and have always been easy to 
   center after disconnecting the straddle cable. 
   - Cantilever: Paul Neo-Retro/Touring Canti around 54 mm tires and 
   fenders stop brilliantly with good modulation, though maybe not with as 
   good modulation as centerpulls. Stop well even in crappy winter weather. I 
   don't find cantilevers difficult to adjust to my taste, but they're not as 
   easy as centerpulls. Again, all impressions may be due to ignorance.

In short, v-brakes felt more "grabby" to me, but occasionally were harder 
to adjust; while centerpulls, though maybe not *quite* as good at stopping 
quickly, have better modulation and are easier to adjust. Could be that my 
experience with v-brakes would be better with a different v-brake, like a 
Shimano or Paul Motolite; and that my experience with centerpulls would be 
less pleasant in a wider variety of conditions.

--
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On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:13:58 AM UTC-6 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier 
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Eric Daume

Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is that
both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the rims
are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, V
brakes are a clear and easy win for me.

Eric
V brake fan

On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride?
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bosco 58, Albatross Aluminum, 11cm stem, 700x50 Big Ben Tires

2024-04-25 Thread exliontamer

$OLD

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:19:07 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Trying to sell this as a lot since I happen to have a big enough box. 
>
> * Bosco bars are barely used. 58cm heat treated aluminum
> * Albatross bars are well loved but structurally perfect. 55cm heat 
> treated aluminum
> * Nitto 11cm 25.4 stem. Not sure if it's a Technomic Deluxe or a Pearl. 
> The quill is long but seems to be a bit shorter than the ones Riv sells. 
> * 2 x Schwalbe 700x50 Big Ben tires. Barely ridden.
>  
> $200 shipped in the lower 48 for everything
>
> [image: IMG_5546.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Piaw Na

You can't do that if you're using 11s or more. Rejoining 11s and up chains 
using a chain breaker is not recommended. My "trick" is to buy 11s chains 
at $10/pop when they go on sale once a year and a bunch of quick links at 
the same time.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:31:11 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> If you have certainty that you won't swap a drivetrain, simply buy two 
> chains. The second chain will be enough to populate several chain 
> replacements, granted they are of the same chain. No need to use two quick 
> links either, if you have a chain breaker and know how to use it. 
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Count how many links you have now. Call Will & Riv & he will use their 
>> bulk chain to send you one the correct length. EZPZ. Cheaper than buying 
>> two & easier.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>
>>
>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>> chain?
>>
>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>
>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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[RBW] BRe: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

2024-04-25 Thread Joe Bernard

Bill, the GOATs are unpadded and I love them. I use a Small on the bike and 
Medium to drive my bus. Recommend!

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
> number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
> one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
> it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
> quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
>> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>>
 If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
 https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
 Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
 Tom in Alexandria, VA

 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>
> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>
>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>> ton 
>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>> durable 
>> and fashionable.  
>>
>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>> is totally boring.  
>>
>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>
>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential 
>> for 
>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't 
>> have 
>> anything good.  
>>
>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>> options?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Armand Kizirian

If you have certainty that you won't swap a drivetrain, simply buy two 
chains. The second chain will be enough to populate several chain 
replacements, granted they are of the same chain. No need to use two quick 
links either, if you have a chain breaker and know how to use it. 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Count how many links you have now. Call Will & Riv & he will use their 
> bulk chain to send you one the correct length. EZPZ. Cheaper than buying 
> two & easier.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
>
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Re: [RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Richard Rose

Count how many links you have now. Call Will & Riv & he will use their bulk chain to send you one the correct length. EZPZ. Cheaper than buying two & easier.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 25, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Edwin W  wrote:I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, longer than a single chain.For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long chain?What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,Edwin



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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

2024-04-25 Thread exliontamer

No clear coating over the paint but it's a smart idea. I'm guessing you may 
have seen it but the vintage Trek site is a gem. It's usually easy to 
narrow down the year by geometry, tubing, and components since they did a 
lot of switching up. http://www.vintage-trek.com/TrekBrochures.htm

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:00:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your 'technique' with the Trek. I hadn't thought of 
> using a paint pen for detailing - though it makes perfect sense. 
> Wondering if you clear coated over the paint to finish it up? 
>
> BTW, I'm now keeping my eye open for a 510 or 710 (or similar) and I'm 
> placing the blame on your Picard Special!!!
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> I had a blast doing this and happy to share anything! Definitely not 
>> making Joe Bell or CycleArt break a sweat. The base is just a plain British 
>> racing green. The rest is me just being semi-patient with fine tip water 
>> based acrylic paint markers. I went for different colors on the fork blades 
>> and stays, had those meet on the headtube & seattube, & let them all fade 
>> into each other on the top tube and downtube. I want to do something 
>> similar with a proper pro-powdercoated bike (and a little more patience) at 
>> some point. 
>> These old Treks from this era (the 510 & 710 specifically) are one of my 
>> favorite designed bikes of all time. Even before the 650b conversion it 
>> cleared 32s easily (may have fit 35s/never tried). You can pick these up 
>> for a silly good price usually too and they're so common in the Midwest it 
>> seems like they were giving them away. 
>> [image: IMG_5532.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5533.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard 
>>> Special - love it! 
>>>
>>> You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike 
>>> restorations over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you mind 
>>> adding some fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?
>>>
>>> Steve in AVL
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
 short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
 photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
 It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to 
 top 
 of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
 shipping, & friendliness. 
 [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
 [image: IMG_5527.jpg]

 Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & 
 some parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on 
 it and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
 cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
 in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
 [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
 [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
 [image: IMG_5531.jpg]



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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>
>>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!

 Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.

 BL in EC

 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>
> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
> ton 
> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
> durable 
> and fashionable.  
>
> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
> is totally boring.  
>
> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>
> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
> anything good.  
>
> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
> options?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur I 
chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the crappiest 
front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front derailleurs are 
a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved to be too crappy. 
 Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and put a much nicer FD 
on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") satisfies another VERY 
important category.  That category is "every bike should have one Campy 
part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in the club.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. We 
> await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "
>
>
> I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to 
> break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics 
> will prove it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer 
>> on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
>> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>>
>>
>> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
>> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
>> Rom-riding this summer!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
 roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
 Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
 going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
 but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
 ideal. 

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
 Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
 size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
 I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

 Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
 take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
 stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
 of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
 was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
 it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
 the youngest and probably the most fit. 

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[RBW] WTB: Soba Handlebars

2024-04-25 Thread Johnny Alien

Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] Re: Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

The answer to each of those questions is "It depends".  There are great and 
lousy set ups with center pulls.  There are great and lousy set ups with 
V-Brakes.  You decide if you prefer one over the other.  Ride bikes to 
develop your preferences if that's what you want to do.  If you're going to 
buy a bike without riding it first, then just know it's a guess and you may 
end up changing things.  If you end up turning into a person who hates 
V-Brakes (for example) you may find that you want to get rid of a bike 
because of your hardened preferences.  But there's nothing objectively 
"better" or "worse" between center pulls and V-brakes in the abstract 
general sense.  As you search for "the right bike", I think the bike you 
buy will present itself and then you'll decide to buy it.  Once you buy it, 
you'll try to like it.  If you fail to like it, you'll have to do something 
else.  It's all part of the journey.  You are the captain of your own ship. 
 Some people can't be satisfied with anything and keep searching.  Some 
people can love anything because bikes in 2024 are all excellent.  Most 
people are somewhere in between.  What makes you happy has more to do with 
you than it has to do with brakes, or bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:13:58 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier 
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread DavidP

My Platypus requires 116 + 12 links. I use two chains with two quicklinks. 
I don't bother about spacing the quicklinks equally between two 64 link 
sections but others may.

-Dave

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:51:46 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
> buy one close. 
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:47:47 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rivendell themselves buy "chain" in enormous continuous bulk, so they can 
>> use a single chain for a build.  I buy my long chains from Riv.  In the 
>> past, when I've been impatient and wanted to do something in the stand 
>> "RIGHT NOW" I've just used two quick links and a subset of a second chain. 
>>  Sometimes, what's left of the second chain is still long enough for a 
>> single speed build, etc.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>>
>>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>>> chain?
>>>
>>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>>
>>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

2024-04-25 Thread Matti

Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>
>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
 interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 

 Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
 secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
 ton 
 of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable 
 and fashionable.  

 The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
 is totally boring.  

 Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
 boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
 I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
 gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  

 The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
 offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
 my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
 anything good.  

 Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
 options?  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Garth

Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and buy 
one close. 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:47:47 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rivendell themselves buy "chain" in enormous continuous bulk, so they can 
> use a single chain for a build.  I buy my long chains from Riv.  In the 
> past, when I've been impatient and wanted to do something in the stand 
> "RIGHT NOW" I've just used two quick links and a subset of a second chain. 
>  Sometimes, what's left of the second chain is still long enough for a 
> single speed build, etc.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
>> longer than a single chain.
>>
>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>> chain?
>>
>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>
>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

2024-04-25 Thread Robert Calton

I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes with 
regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier to 
adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 

I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
*that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

2024-04-25 Thread Steve

Thanks for sharing your 'technique' with the Trek. I hadn't thought of 
using a paint pen for detailing - though it makes perfect sense. 
Wondering if you clear coated over the paint to finish it up? 

BTW, I'm now keeping my eye open for a 510 or 710 (or similar) and I'm 
placing the blame on your Picard Special!!!
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> I had a blast doing this and happy to share anything! Definitely not 
> making Joe Bell or CycleArt break a sweat. The base is just a plain British 
> racing green. The rest is me just being semi-patient with fine tip water 
> based acrylic paint markers. I went for different colors on the fork blades 
> and stays, had those meet on the headtube & seattube, & let them all fade 
> into each other on the top tube and downtube. I want to do something 
> similar with a proper pro-powdercoated bike (and a little more patience) at 
> some point. 
> These old Treks from this era (the 510 & 710 specifically) are one of my 
> favorite designed bikes of all time. Even before the 650b conversion it 
> cleared 32s easily (may have fit 35s/never tried). You can pick these up 
> for a silly good price usually too and they're so common in the Midwest it 
> seems like they were giving them away. 
> [image: IMG_5532.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5533.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard Special 
>> - love it! 
>>
>> You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike 
>> restorations over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you mind 
>> adding some fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
>>> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
>>> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
>>> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
>>> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
>>> shipping, & friendliness. 
>>> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>>>
>>> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & 
>>> some parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on 
>>> it and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
>>> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
>>> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
>>> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

2024-04-25 Thread John Rinker

Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
luck with your sale!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> John,
> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Doug,
>>
>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
>> seem to work for me.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
>>> need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>>>
>>>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
>>>true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim 
>>> and 
>>>black hub. $140 shipped
>>>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>>>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>>>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>>>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>>>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>>>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>>>
>>> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

Rivendell themselves buy "chain" in enormous continuous bulk, so they can 
use a single chain for a build.  I buy my long chains from Riv.  In the 
past, when I've been impatient and wanted to do something in the stand 
"RIGHT NOW" I've just used two quick links and a subset of a second chain. 
 Sometimes, what's left of the second chain is still long enough for a 
single speed build, etc.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

2024-04-25 Thread Gordon Stam

That might have been me.Was it green, the Romulus? This was a route that 
began and ended in Pagosa Springs. And agreed, it is a good road bike, and 
I still have mine. I do recall, however, that I had a work a little harder 
keeping up on fast road rides on the Romulus that I did on my Gunnar 
Roadie. But I sold the Gunnar and kept the Romulus. Besides being better 
looking and just cooler it had more tire clearance and was better on dirt 
roads. 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> A Romulus sounds fantastic if it fits you and you like the way it rides.  
>
> I came across someone riding a Romulus on Bike Tour of Colorado a while 
> back when I rode the event.  That was a 450ish mile event over 7 days with 
> umpteen tens of thousands of feet of climbing and many passes over 10,000 
> feet with fast downhills.  Even back then in the mid-late 00s us Riv riders 
> stood out from the sea of crabon fibre.  I think there were 5 of us on 
> Rivs, IIRC.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX 
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Ram $1800 with more photos

2024-04-25 Thread 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch

Bumping this.  My neighbor got a few bites but the frame turned out to be 
too big or too small.  Let me know if you are interested and I will put you 
in touch with the seller.

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 11:36:26 AM UTC-4 Steven Seelig wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Brian Forsee

I don't have a long chain bike myself, but when i was employed as a bike 
mechanic i worked on lots of recumbent bikes. These would require 2-3 
chains,  most of the time 3. We would just splice together 3 chains of the 
same make and model. I ran into problems trying to combine different model 
chains, even from the same manufacturer (obviously these were the same 
speed/width). The easiest way is to use multiple quick links. You can also 
splice them together using the regular link/pin but need to be careful to 
get the pin inserted straight. 

Brian

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:57:12 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

2024-04-25 Thread Edwin W

I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
longer than a single chain.

For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
chain?

What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...

Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

2024-04-25 Thread John Rinker

Hey Doug,

I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
seem to work for me.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
> need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>
>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
>true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim 
> and 
>black hub. $140 shipped
>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>
> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
> 
>
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves